Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
On 1/2/06, Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do think the turbo in the ad has got to be some kind of a mistake Crackhead probably put a Tornado air filter on it and thinks that's a turbo. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
Turbocharger? Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead of the V8. There is no room for a turbo in there, believe me. Hardly room for the V8! Rust is a deal killer, for sure. Make sure the rear end is OK, as well, they are getting somewhat scarce. Peter
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
Mercedes did turbocharge the 117 4.5 litre engine - in the C111, and set several world records with it. They did this after setting all those DIesel records with the turbo'd 617, and after porche stole a record from them. Got it back with the C111/117. On 1/1/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turbocharger? Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead of the V8. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
So this has a turbo? Is this dude a Craigslist crack smoker? Is this someting to run from? I love gleaning knowledge from all y'all. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 Mercedes did turbocharge the 117 4.5 litre engine - in the C111, and set several world records with it. They did this after setting all those DIesel records with the turbo'd 617, and after porche stole a record from them. Got it back with the C111/117. On 1/1/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turbocharger? Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead of the V8. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
May be, but NOT in a W108 chassis! There's barely room for the exhaust, let alone turbo piping, and it goes fast enough as it is -- I have one. The 617 swap was fairly common in Germany -- reduced the taxed considerably and didn't take too much off performance. Peter
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
In a message dated 1/1/2006 3:31:04 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How does this look...those of you familiar with this model. I emailed the dude and he still has it. He says Yes I do. I just happened to be answering emails when yours came in. Here is some additional info for those FAQ's. The MB does still have the original tranny and engine with only 106,797 miles. It still has the original interior upholstery and exterior paint, also. The engine does need some minor work but the main things are a fuel pump and ignition switch. We have a couple of people very interested but we will not hold it, so, it is still available to the first buyer. It really is a nice car. If you have any more questions, please call me. What do yous guys think? Bob, It looks pretty nice and I like that cream yellow color. They claim the 72-73s were the last hand built Mercedes. Very stout and safe as a vault. The gearing was pretty low (3.69:1) and the engine runs pretty fast so performance is good but mileage is affected and it would be tough to get better than 15 town, 20 highway. Make sure it has fuel injection. The low horsepower 280s had dual carbs that were not as desirable. I sure don't know if the turbocharger could be for real, but stranger things have happpened. I had a 65 Euro 300SE with a four speed stick that ran (and looked) like a gangster car. Lot of fun to wing that big six up to 6 grand in the gears! Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 139 K miles
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
Well, if this thing has a factory turbo motor I would suggest you get yourself down there with the dosh and don't haggle. Factory M117 turboed motor. Wonder how much that is worth? If it is factory, don't run the motor just get it trailered back to your place. Hendrik - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 So this has a turbo? Is this dude a Craigslist crack smoker? Is this someting to run from? I love gleaning knowledge from all y'all. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 Mercedes did turbocharge the 117 4.5 litre engine - in the C111, and set several world records with it. They did this after setting all those DIesel records with the turbo'd 617, and after porche stole a record from them. Got it back with the C111/117. On 1/1/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Turbocharger? Not a chance, unless someone has swapped in a 617 turbodiesel instead of the V8. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
Apparently the factory did not think the 4.5 went fast enough, hence the 6.3. Now lets try putting a turbo on a M100 and then making it fitinto a truck maybe:-) Hendrik - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 May be, but NOT in a W108 chassis! There's barely room for the exhaust, let alone turbo piping, and it goes fast enough as it is -- I have one. The 617 swap was fairly common in Germany -- reduced the taxed considerably and didn't take too much off performance. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
According to a pretty reliable source ALL (sorry Marshall couldn't resist) Mercedes V8 engines came with fuel injection. Hendrik with no V8's :-( - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 Bob, It looks pretty nice and I like that cream yellow color. They claim the 72-73s were the last hand built Mercedes. Very stout and safe as a vault. The gearing was pretty low (3.69:1) and the engine runs pretty fast so performance is good but mileage is affected and it would be tough to get better than 15 town, 20 highway. Make sure it has fuel injection. The low horsepower 280s had dual carbs that were not as desirable. I sure don't know if the turbocharger could be for real, but stranger things have happpened. I had a 65 Euro 300SE with a four speed stick that ran (and looked) like a gangster car. Lot of fun to wing that big six up to 6 grand in the gears! Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 261 K miles 98 ML 320, 139 K miles ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
When I said get under the car I actually meant get down next to it with a torch and check the underside (getting under a car without it being properly secured is dangerous and dumb). Might want to take a water proof mat or tarp to lie down on. Also I take it for that sort of money there are not too many documents that go with the car? I also would try and get the seller on the phone and promise to you, that it is not a rust heap. Sucks driving half way across town to look at rust:-( Hendrik who hates rust in all shapes and forms - Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 Check for rust. If it has a aftermarket turbo fitted, I would pass. MB never turboed those engines, hmmmnh wonder why? Did I mention to check for rust? If it is in good condition without a turbo then it is worth the money as these cars have pretty much reached value bottom and are only going to go up. The 4.5 is also desirable because it puts out a fair bit of grunt without the bigger maintenance costs of the 6.3. Do you know anything about the D-jetronic fuel injection system? I take it from what the seller wrote that it is not running or running very badly. Make sure you get under the car and check for rust. Hendrik
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
Hi Bob, I owned one of these as well as a couple of other W108s - but not one with a turbo. A properly tuned 4.5 in a W108 will chirp the tires going from 2nd to 3rd - at least mine would. Also, when properly tuned it would get 14 or 15 mpg's - could never get better than that - and used only premium. Depending on the professionalism of the turbo install I'd be strongly tempted to pass on this. If there's any hint of backyard mechanic work, it can be a major headache trying to get things to run properly. The W108 models are awesome cars (I'd love to have another) - but it attracts rust like poop attracts flies. Check the front bumper supports - which also supports the radiator for rust. Also, check the lower fenders and the rockers as well as all floors - especially the rear floors as the rear windshield can leak and pool in the rear floors. Also check the elect window mechanisms, door locks, turn signal switch and check the AT very carefully as it's not cheap to have worked on depending on the problem. The AT should shift firmly (some say harshly) but should not slip. That much torque will cause a slipping AT to overheat quickly - causing damage to the bands. And the tires will break loose easily because of the high engine power! Good luck - Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/120224368.html How does this look...those of you familiar with this model. I emailed the dude and he still has it. He says Yes I do. I just happened to be answering emails when yours came in. Here is some additional info for those FAQ's. The MB does still have the original tranny and engine with only 106,797 miles. It still has the original interior upholstery and exterior paint, also. The engine does need some minor work but the main things are a fuel pump and ignition switch. We have a couple of people very interested but we will not hold it, so, it is still available to the first buyer. It really is a nice car. If you have any more questions, please call me. What do yous guys think? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
yea, they all did. Hendrik Riessen wrote: According to a pretty reliable source ALL (sorry Marshall couldn't resist) Mercedes V8 engines came with fuel injection. Hendrik with no V8's :-( -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
you wrote:Apparently the factory did not think the 4.5 went fast enough, hence the 6.3. The 6.3 300SEL was the 1st real supercar - it was the one salesmen would put a $100 bill on the dash and tell the potential buyer if he could grab it while the driver accelerated to 100 mph he could have it. I'm told the $100 bill lasted a long time. Even though it was a heavy car the torque from the engine made for some dramatic acceleration times! Of course, the air suspension has failed on almost alll the old 300SELs by now - and if not, it's a $6000 repair bill to replace/repair the air bags, etc. They're incredible cars though -- Sincerely, Larry T (78 240D) A Blood Test for your oil - www.youroil.net For Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Stuff http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs http://members.rennlist.com/my_911/Index.htm For my Paint Job Info - Original Message - From: Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 Apparently the factory did not think the 4.5 went fast enough, hence the 6.3. Now lets try putting a turbo on a M100 and then making it fitinto a truck maybe:-) Hendrik - Original Message - From: Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 2:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 May be, but NOT in a W108 chassis! There's barely room for the exhaust, let alone turbo piping, and it goes fast enough as it is -- I have one. The 617 swap was fairly common in Germany -- reduced the taxed considerably and didn't take too much off performance. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005 ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
My high school girlfriend's father had one of these cars. I have a *lot* of fond memories from that car, some of them involving actual driving. :) Between that and the fact that I learned to drive on a 240D, I guess it was fate that I would own an MB someday... Lee '93 300D 2.5 181K
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
The 6.3 pre-dated the 4.5. ALl are US models - don't know about the rest of the world :-( 6.3 M100 - 1965 - 1972 3.5 M116 - 1969 - 1972 4.5 M117 - 1971 - 1980 6.9 M100 - 1977 - 1979 3.8 M116 - 1981 - 1985 5.0 M117 - 1984 - 1985 5.6 M117 - 1986 - 1991 On 1/2/06, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apparently the factory did not think the 4.5 went fast enough, hence the 6.3. Now lets try putting a turbo on a M100 and then making it fitinto a truck maybe:-) Hendrik -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
The 6.3 was first installed in the 600 Grand in 1963 -- all previous Benz automotive engines were inlines -- the WWiI vintage crowngear straight 8 in the German staff cars was supercharged -- above 3/4 throttle the blower was clutched in, went from 120 to 180 hp instantly. No timing chain, the cam was driven by a set of 90 degree helical gears. Carb on that one, I think -- the mechanical FI was developed from British patents shortly before WWII (a friend of ours father was the original patent holder, in fact!) for the ME 109 inverted V12 aircraft engine. It was adapted in the 50s, and first used in the 300 SL gullwing, I don't remember the engine number. Supplanted by D-jet in 1968, then by K-jet in 1976, followed by LH-Jet in the 90's, not necessarily in that order (some engines used the older system while newer designed used later systems in the same model line).. Peter
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The 6.3 300SEL was the 1st real supercar - it was the one salesmen would put a $100 bill on the dash and tell the potential buyer if he could grab it while the driver accelerated to 100 mph he could have it. I thought that was a 427 S/C Cobra story. If the 108 in question has always been an Arizona car, and really does have the original (and shiny) paint, rust might not be a problem. I do think the turbo in the ad has got to be some kind of a mistake, or 300SD transplant. (a w108 300SD might be rather interesting)
Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5
Check for rust. If it has a aftermarket turbo fitted, I would pass. MB never turboed those engines, hmmmnh wonder why? Did I mention to check for rust? If it is in good condition without a turbo then it is worth the money as these cars have pretty much reached value bottom and are only going to go up. The 4.5 is also desirable because it puts out a fair bit of grunt without the bigger maintenance costs of the 6.3. Do you know anything about the D-jetronic fuel injection system? I take it from what the seller wrote that it is not running or running very badly. Make sure you get under the car and check for rust. Hendrik - Original Message - From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] '72 280SE 4.5 What the heck is up with the turbocharger? On 1/1/06, Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/120224368.html How does this look...those of you familiar with this model. I emailed the dude and he still has it. He says Yes I do. I just happened to be answering emails when yours came in. Here is some additional info for those FAQ's. The MB does still have the original tranny and engine with only 106,797 miles. It still has the original interior upholstery and exterior paint, also. The engine does need some minor work but the main things are a fuel pump and ignition switch. We have a couple of people very interested but we will not hold it, so, it is still available to the first buyer. It really is a nice car. If you have any more questions, please call me. What do yous guys think? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 146K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 140K Stardust 1985 380SL 145K Blue Belle ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.338 / Virus Database: 267.14.9/216 - Release Date: 29/12/2005
