Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-13 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
When we moved to FL in 1996 our mail carrier was a good ‘old cracker woman 
(“cracker” being a term applied to native Floridian pioneer settlers) who had 
done the route for decades. “Miss Donna” knew my kids, me, and all the 
neighbors. She always had time to stop and chat a little on her route, was 
always prompt, and kept things straight.

Fast forward to 2010, when we returned to Florida and the same neighborhood 
from two years in IN. Sure enough, Miss Donna came to the door the first week 
we returned and rekindled our friendship. I could do things like leave a note 
in the mailbox for her to come to the door and ring the bell because I had a 
Priority Mail box I needed to send out that day. That was the kind of carrier 
she was. She ultimately retired on disability, I believe, because she had a bad 
knee. The last week she did her route she had those USPS white tubs in her 
truck filled with gifts from all the neighbors.

I moved a couple blocks away a few years ago and at this house we’ve got the 
same setup with a carrier. “Miss Ginny” is a cracker lady who has been doing 
the mail in this area for decades as well. Super nice, always pleasant, never 
screws up. Comes to the door for my Priority Mail packages as well. She’s up in 
years, so I’m not sure how munch longer we’ll have her, but she’s great. 
There’s a young man of color who also does the route on Miss Ginny’s days off, 
who does a good job and is pretty talkative, but he’s not Miss Ginny.

We’ve got a really good postmaster at our post office, too. I can’t recall the 
details, but I had some sort of shenanigans going on with the USPS a few years 
back that I had to escalate up to him, and he did a really good job sorting 
things out and communicating.

We have a little rural post office a few miles away in Turkey Creek. It’s one 
of those places where it’s two rooms, a lobby with PO boxes and another with 
the sorting and counter. The person at the counter is the postmaster. I’ll 
often go over there if I have to ship something during the holidays so I don’t 
have to go to our big local PO that’s always crazy this time of year. The rural 
PO you just walk into, do your business and leave.

-D

> On Dec 13, 2021, at 12:29 AM, Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> One summer in college a buddy told me that the mail was hiring summer help to 
> cover vacations and whatever other humannel shortages. So 3 or 4 of us went 
> down to take the test. I ended up getting another job but one guy got the 
> gig. Keep in mind we were fairly intelligent and had done well in our 
> studies. Oh, and we were all 18 or so. 
> 
> After a few days to get the hang of it, he figured out a better way to do the 
> route and got it done by noon or earlier. I think he had to be there at 8, 
> sort his stuff then hit the street. The other mailmen took all day, would 
> finish by 4 or 5. So my buddy would go home, hang out, meet others of us for 
> lunch, do whatever ( he did not have a gf so that was not a feature of his 
> schedule), then go back to the facility 4ish, sort some mail, and close out. 
> We were all quite jealous. 
> 
> At some point his supervisor got wind of his deal and called him in for a 
> chat. He explained that letting anyone else know about this would cause 
> problems with staff and his higher ups etc etc. So basically WTF you doing 
> college boy?
> 
> my buddy said but wait, I could help you get this whole operation running 
> better, get more done, fewer people, save money, whatever. (Remember he was 
> 18 and knew everything at that point in life). The supervisor then had to 
> explain to my dumbass buddy that the whole point of the operation was to hire 
> people, spend money, buy more trucks, bigger facilities, more machines, 
> people move up the ladder, more pay, more staff to manage, all that. 
> 
> He advised my buddy to keep doing what he was doing and STFU about it around 
> the office so as not to upset the delicate balance of built-in inefficiency 
> and bureaucratic budget growth.  Oh, and upset his less-perspicacious 
> colleagues who also yearned to f off half the day but were not sufficiently 
> analytical or insightful to figure out the scheme. 
> 
> This was a significant educational experience for my buddy as he learned the 
> way of the gummint bureaucracy. And he got paid well for it and got to 
> basically screw off half the summer. 
> 
> He was not asked to return the following summer. 
> 
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:17 PM, Clay via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> In the early 80’s I stood the test to be a carrier.  At the time pay would 
>> have been great ($10.hr) and the test simple.  My fellows in the room were a 
>> motley crew of ESL and high school grads, along with a few veterans.   I 
>> opted to continue higher education over putting in marathon strolls in rain. 
>>  At the time the postmaster at the local had high volume and competent crew. 
>>  By the time I returned to 

Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
One summer in college a buddy told me that the mail was hiring summer help to 
cover vacations and whatever other humannel shortages. So 3 or 4 of us went 
down to take the test. I ended up getting another job but one guy got the gig. 
Keep in mind we were fairly intelligent and had done well in our studies. Oh, 
and we were all 18 or so. 

After a few days to get the hang of it, he figured out a better way to do the 
route and got it done by noon or earlier. I think he had to be there at 8, sort 
his stuff then hit the street. The other mailmen took all day, would finish by 
4 or 5. So my buddy would go home, hang out, meet others of us for lunch, do 
whatever ( he did not have a gf so that was not a feature of his schedule), 
then go back to the facility 4ish, sort some mail, and close out. We were all 
quite jealous. 

At some point his supervisor got wind of his deal and called him in for a chat. 
He explained that letting anyone else know about this would cause problems with 
staff and his higher ups etc etc. So basically WTF you doing college boy?

my buddy said but wait, I could help you get this whole operation running 
better, get more done, fewer people, save money, whatever. (Remember he was 18 
and knew everything at that point in life). The supervisor then had to explain 
to my dumbass buddy that the whole point of the operation was to hire people, 
spend money, buy more trucks, bigger facilities, more machines, people move up 
the ladder, more pay, more staff to manage, all that. 

He advised my buddy to keep doing what he was doing and STFU about it around 
the office so as not to upset the delicate balance of built-in inefficiency and 
bureaucratic budget growth.  Oh, and upset his less-perspicacious colleagues 
who also yearned to f off half the day but were not sufficiently analytical or 
insightful to figure out the scheme. 

This was a significant educational experience for my buddy as he learned the 
way of the gummint bureaucracy. And he got paid well for it and got to 
basically screw off half the summer. 

He was not asked to return the following summer. 

--FT
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> On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:17 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> In the early 80’s I stood the test to be a carrier.  At the time pay would 
> have been great ($10.hr) and the test simple.  My fellows in the room were a 
> motley crew of ESL and high school grads, along with a few veterans.   I 
> opted to continue higher education over putting in marathon strolls in rain.  
> At the time the postmaster at the local had high volume and competent crew.  
> By the time I returned to the zip code a few years later it was bedlam and 
> equal opportunity hires behind the counter.  My carrier was one of the guys I 
> took the test with, who became the postmaster around 2012.  Went from a nice 
> guy to a power hungry jerk who yelled at me when I had issues with the 
> replacement carriers who no longer spoke english or knew how to deliver or 
> pick up mail.
> 
> The job is not an easy one.  There was a neighbor a few blocks over who 
> transitioned from working the state liquor store to carrier when the citizens 
> voted to disband the bottle shoppes.  He dropped 60 pounds and worked himself 
> to the bones.  Finally got a decent route after five years of busting his 
> backend.  Last I talked to him he was not the happy fellow I had known.  
> Stressed out, hitting the bottle and pretty much screaming about Amazon 
> having screwed over USPS because he had to get their junk delivered even if 
> it meant he had to skip the people at end of his route and hope to get their 
> mail delivered in the next day or three.
> 
> GWN seems to run a dedicated Amazon route for boxes, while the carrier has to 
> handle anything that fits in the mailbox.  I have not met the carrier, but 
> the way he plays at Mario Andretti, I doubt I will.
> 
> Clay
> 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Yep, same here.

On 12/12/2021 9:31 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

My postal carrier was apparently not informed of the "can't screw up" 
requirement, as I'm constantly getting my neighbors' mail, and can only speculate about 
how much of my mail is delivered elsewhere.


On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, at 7:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:

I’ve personally known to career postal workers, a father and son who
are both mail carriers. They said it’s a high pressure job mainly
because you can’t screw up. Period. They said the pressure to perform
and the constant scrutiny by postal inspectors is what makes it such a
bitch. They said that if you let it get into your brain it’s not
surprising people go crazy.

-D


On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:

It has been broken for at least 40 years.  Going Postal was not something that 
took place back in the day.  Postal workers were intelligible, hard working, 
pleasant, and on the main less error prone.  Sometime in the late ’70’s things 
took a turn, be it for EEOC candidates, PTSD veterans, or cramming unrealistic 
expectations for production through the system.

clay

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.




On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and more 
union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's really the only 
way to fix it.

--FT

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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes
My postal carrier was apparently not informed of the "can't screw up" 
requirement, as I'm constantly getting my neighbors' mail, and can only 
speculate about how much of my mail is delivered elsewhere.


On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, at 7:17 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes wrote:
> I’ve personally known to career postal workers, a father and son who 
> are both mail carriers. They said it’s a high pressure job mainly 
> because you can’t screw up. Period. They said the pressure to perform 
> and the constant scrutiny by postal inspectors is what makes it such a 
> bitch. They said that if you let it get into your brain it’s not 
> surprising people go crazy.
>
> -D
>
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> It has been broken for at least 40 years.  Going Postal was not something 
>> that took place back in the day.  Postal workers were intelligible, hard 
>> working, pleasant, and on the main less error prone.  Sometime in the late 
>> ’70’s things took a turn, be it for EEOC candidates, PTSD veterans, or 
>> cramming unrealistic expectations for production through the system.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and 
>>> more union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's really 
>>> the only way to fix it.
>>> 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Clay via Mercedes
In the early 80’s I stood the test to be a carrier.  At the time pay would have 
been great ($10.hr) and the test simple.  My fellows in the room were a motley 
crew of ESL and high school grads, along with a few veterans.   I opted to 
continue higher education over putting in marathon strolls in rain.  At the 
time the postmaster at the local had high volume and competent crew.  By the 
time I returned to the zip code a few years later it was bedlam and equal 
opportunity hires behind the counter.  My carrier was one of the guys I took 
the test with, who became the postmaster around 2012.  Went from a nice guy to 
a power hungry jerk who yelled at me when I had issues with the replacement 
carriers who no longer spoke english or knew how to deliver or pick up mail.

The job is not an easy one.  There was a neighbor a few blocks over who 
transitioned from working the state liquor store to carrier when the citizens 
voted to disband the bottle shoppes.  He dropped 60 pounds and worked himself 
to the bones.  Finally got a decent route after five years of busting his 
backend.  Last I talked to him he was not the happy fellow I had known.  
Stressed out, hitting the bottle and pretty much screaming about Amazon having 
screwed over USPS because he had to get their junk delivered even if it meant 
he had to skip the people at end of his route and hope to get their mail 
delivered in the next day or three.

GWN seems to run a dedicated Amazon route for boxes, while the carrier has to 
handle anything that fits in the mailbox.  I have not met the carrier, but the 
way he plays at Mario Andretti, I doubt I will.

Clay


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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
When I lived in Houston I’d be working in my garage shop and the mail guy would 
come by. I’d see him often so we would chat a minute. Nice guy, gay Hispanic 
which was kinda unusual as that was not particularly culturally common.

 One day I see him coming and call out hello, he’s got this frown on his face 
and he kinda shakes his head, and sorta tops it back over his shoulder. I see 
this woman back behind him following, clipboard in hand. WTF. So he gives me 
the mail and continues on. 

This goes on for like 3 days. Then I see him alone a couple days later and I 
ask him WTF that was all about. He says it was some evaluation thing and he was 
worried about it. Ok. 

A week later he is gone and replaced by a succession of incompetents, random 
people. Amazing. 

Some months go by and one day here he comes again. He was happy to see me and I 
him, he stopped and we chatted a bit. He tells me that he got some bad 
evaluation, none of it made any sense, so they shipped him off to a bunch of 
random routes like these people on my route, none of them have time to learn 
anything about the route and the residents on it so they do a $h*t job as one 
would expect. He said he was there on such a rotation. He was around for 3-4 
weeks then I never saw him again and service was crap from then on out. 

I guess I knew at that point the USPS was doomed. Or it just reinforced that 
opinion. 

--FT
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> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:18 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I’ve personally known to career postal workers, a father and son who are 
> both mail carriers. They said it’s a high pressure job mainly because you 
> can’t screw up. Period. They said the pressure to perform and the constant 
> scrutiny by postal inspectors is what makes it such a bitch. They said that 
> if you let it get into your brain it’s not surprising people go crazy.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> It has been broken for at least 40 years.  Going Postal was not something 
>> that took place back in the day.  Postal workers were intelligible, hard 
>> working, pleasant, and on the main less error prone.  Sometime in the late 
>> ’70’s things took a turn, be it for EEOC candidates, PTSD veterans, or 
>> cramming unrealistic expectations for production through the system.
>> 
>> clay 
>> 
>> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and 
>>> more union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's really 
>>> the only way to fix it.
>>> 
>>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
I’ve personally known to career postal workers, a father and son who are both 
mail carriers. They said it’s a high pressure job mainly because you can’t 
screw up. Period. They said the pressure to perform and the constant scrutiny 
by postal inspectors is what makes it such a bitch. They said that if you let 
it get into your brain it’s not surprising people go crazy.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:14 PM, Clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> It has been broken for at least 40 years.  Going Postal was not something 
> that took place back in the day.  Postal workers were intelligible, hard 
> working, pleasant, and on the main less error prone.  Sometime in the late 
> ’70’s things took a turn, be it for EEOC candidates, PTSD veterans, or 
> cramming unrealistic expectations for production through the system.
> 
> clay 
> 
> I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and more 
>> union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's really the 
>> only way to fix it.
>> 
>> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Clay via Mercedes
It has been broken for at least 40 years.  Going Postal was not something that 
took place back in the day.  Postal workers were intelligible, hard working, 
pleasant, and on the main less error prone.  Sometime in the late ’70’s things 
took a turn, be it for EEOC candidates, PTSD veterans, or cramming unrealistic 
expectations for production through the system.

clay 

I have no pronouns please do not refer to me.



> On Dec 12, 2021, at 7:50 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and more 
> union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's really the 
> only way to fix it.
> 
> --FT
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread dan penoff.com via Mercedes
And postal inspectors, too.

-D

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:51 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and more 
> union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's really the 
> only way to fix it.
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 12/12/21 11:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> Tracking on the ignition switch showed it departed the GA facility 
>> yesterday, so it sat there for 4 days basically.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Blue Ridge Mercedes  
 wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> They are still suffering from a lack of sorting machines and I'm certain 
>>> they are also short on staffjust like every industry that requires 
>>> manual anything
>>> 
 On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
 Basically USPS sucks.  Sent an oil sample in about a month ago. Tracking
 number had it moving then when it arrived in destination city, it has
 been stuck on arrived at facility since.  I guess I should have kept
 enough oil to send in a 2nd sample should the first have been lost.
 Monday sent a priority mail envelope that was supposed to arrive by
 Thursday. Once again tracking info shows it arrived at destination
 facility, and now says departed facility in Chicago where it is supposed
 to be delivered, but now just says arriving late, in transit.  Since it
 departed the facility in Chicago on the 8th, and it is being delivered
 to a PO box in Chicago, sounds like they lost it. Ordered a new ignition
 switch for the 96 E300 off ebay, was shipping right away with tracking
 showing it was supposed to be delivered by 9pm Friday.  Yesterday
 tracking showed it was in Georgia but still supposed to be delivered
 Friday.  Tracking shows in arrived at facility in GA on the 7th, does
 not show to have departed but as I said, as of yesterday still showed
 Friday delivery.  Now it just says in transit, delivery date unknown.
 
 I am not sure I have ever had it this bad with USPS with 3 in a row
 deliveries.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
The USPS would benefit from more union workers and more union rules and 
more union benefits, and of course spending more money on it.  It's 
really the only way to fix it.


--FT

On 12/12/21 11:07 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Tracking on the ignition switch showed it departed the GA facility yesterday, 
so it sat there for 4 days basically.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Blue Ridge Mercedes  wrote:


They are still suffering from a lack of sorting machines and I'm certain they 
are also short on staffjust like every industry that requires manual 
anything


On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
Basically USPS sucks.  Sent an oil sample in about a month ago. Tracking
number had it moving then when it arrived in destination city, it has
been stuck on arrived at facility since.  I guess I should have kept
enough oil to send in a 2nd sample should the first have been lost.
Monday sent a priority mail envelope that was supposed to arrive by
Thursday. Once again tracking info shows it arrived at destination
facility, and now says departed facility in Chicago where it is supposed
to be delivered, but now just says arriving late, in transit.  Since it
departed the facility in Chicago on the 8th, and it is being delivered
to a PO box in Chicago, sounds like they lost it. Ordered a new ignition
switch for the 96 E300 off ebay, was shipping right away with tracking
showing it was supposed to be delivered by 9pm Friday.  Yesterday
tracking showed it was in Georgia but still supposed to be delivered
Friday.  Tracking shows in arrived at facility in GA on the 7th, does
not show to have departed but as I said, as of yesterday still showed
Friday delivery.  Now it just says in transit, delivery date unknown.

I am not sure I have ever had it this bad with USPS with 3 in a row
deliveries.


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Re: [MBZ] [Daveslist] USPS

2021-12-12 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Tracking on the ignition switch showed it departed the GA facility yesterday, 
so it sat there for 4 days basically. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Blue Ridge Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> They are still suffering from a lack of sorting machines and I'm certain they 
> are also short on staffjust like every industry that requires manual 
> anything 
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 11, 2021, 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin  wrote:
>> Basically USPS sucks.  Sent an oil sample in about a month ago. Tracking 
>> number had it moving then when it arrived in destination city, it has 
>> been stuck on arrived at facility since.  I guess I should have kept 
>> enough oil to send in a 2nd sample should the first have been lost.  
>> Monday sent a priority mail envelope that was supposed to arrive by 
>> Thursday. Once again tracking info shows it arrived at destination 
>> facility, and now says departed facility in Chicago where it is supposed 
>> to be delivered, but now just says arriving late, in transit.  Since it 
>> departed the facility in Chicago on the 8th, and it is being delivered 
>> to a PO box in Chicago, sounds like they lost it. Ordered a new ignition 
>> switch for the 96 E300 off ebay, was shipping right away with tracking 
>> showing it was supposed to be delivered by 9pm Friday.  Yesterday 
>> tracking showed it was in Georgia but still supposed to be delivered 
>> Friday.  Tracking shows in arrived at facility in GA on the 7th, does 
>> not show to have departed but as I said, as of yesterday still showed 
>> Friday delivery.  Now it just says in transit, delivery date unknown.
>> 
>> I am not sure I have ever had it this bad with USPS with 3 in a row 
>> deliveries.
>> 
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