Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-30 Thread tom savage

Rick Knoble wrote:

You are ABSOLUTELY correct. I WORK for UPS and I see this stuff EVERY DAY. 
If you ship auto body parts this way they are more likely to get there 
intact than if you wrap them like china. If you want to be ABSOLUTELY SURE 
that your stuff gets there intact with UPS, insure it for $5000. That will 
put it into the High Value category, and it WILL get treated with kid 
gloves.


Me too, Earth City, MO.  You're near Chicago, right?  CACH?

Standard-sized, boxed packages are thrown onto converyor belts which 
ferry them through the hub, where all sorts of bad things can happen in 
the event of a jam.  Upon reaching the loading dock, they may be loaded 
on the top or the bottom of the trailer, where they may or not be 
crushed, depending on luck and packaging quality.  Irreg items (big, 
unboxed, or over 70 lbs) are carried through the hub on a cart where 
they won't be smashed or thrown about.  They're the last thing loaded in 
the trailer and are never stacked, so you really are safer shipping 
unboxed.  This is all academic, though, as a rear hatch is big enough 
that it qualifies as an irreg whether boxed or not.


Tom,
Uses lots of bubble wrap and packing peanuts



Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 28, 2006, at 3:59 PM, Loren Faeth wrote:


They tend to beat them up less if they are unwrapped.  There is some
twisted psychology at play there, but i don't know what.  The current
thinking is to just put a label on it and send it.  That is not just
Kaleb's idea.  If it is wrapped, they make sure they run over it  
first,

then spear it with a forklift for good measure.



	Packing it in a good strong box or crate is the correct way to ship.  
If done properly there should be no damage. I would expect it to be  
damaged otherwise.
	You have to realize that in most cases your item will be passed from  
truck to warehouse to truck etc, etc until it arrives at its  
destination. Trucking/shipping happens fast and I know of no truck  
driver that will miss stops (and revenue) to give your package  
special treatment.
	It can be handled as freight should be if packed properly. I also  
know of no trucking outfit or freight insurance provider to cover  
damage to a poorly packed item. It is the responsibility of the  
shipper to send it the right way.



Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 28, 2006, at 6:28 PM, Richard Hattaway wrote:


Of course in this situation, I take no responsibility other than to
refund the purchaser's cost of product ($0), minus any shipping and
trouble they went to.  (c:

Richard
Salisbury NC



Richard,
	Where is Salisbury located in NC? I could use a good hatch and I  
have friends down there that may pick it up and hold it for me until  
I go to Tennessee later this Spring. I'll be swapping engines in one  
of my 300TDs and I'm told that the hatch on that otherwise very nice  
car is presently full of H2O.


Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am



Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Rick Knoble

Most of the time that works.  I've found, though, that UPS is
occasionally capable of destroying the most carefully packed items.


You are absolutely correct.


A friend who used to do seasonal work for UPS
during the holiday season had some stories about how he'd see people
throw packages several feet, kick them around, etc.


If you remember the Samsonite suitcase commercial, with the monkeys handling 
the suitcases, that is pretty close. That said, percentage wise very few 
packages are lost or destroyed. UPS automatically insures packages for up to 
$100. If they had to pay too many claims, they wouldn't be around very long. 
They have been in business since 1907.



That said, UPS's website specifically says you can ship
irregularly-shaped metal items without boxing them, if you put cardboard
over any sharp or protruding ends.


You are ABSOLUTELY correct. I WORK for UPS and I see this stuff EVERY DAY. 
If you ship auto body parts this way they are more likely to get there 
intact than if you wrap them like china. If you want to be ABSOLUTELY SURE 
that your stuff gets there intact with UPS, insure it for $5000. That will 
put it into the High Value category, and it WILL get treated with kid 
gloves.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 



Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Jim Cathey
$100. If they had to pay too many claims, they wouldn't be around very 
long.

They have been in business since 1907.


My grandfather worked for them when he lived in LA.  Said his
finger stub was because he wore it down ringing doorbells!  (Really
a sawmill accident.)  This was when kids used to take their rifles
down to the park to pot squirrels, or something like that.  That
was awhile ago, obviously!

intact than if you wrap them like china. If you want to be ABSOLUTELY 
SURE
that your stuff gets there intact with UPS, insure it for $5000. That 
will

put it into the High Value category, and it WILL get treated with kid
gloves.


So how do you claim damage to that $5000 muffler?  If it arrives
with a scratch or dent on it is it a case of Look at that, no
way it's worth $5000 now.  True enough, I guess...

-- Jim




Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
BZT, WRONG.  I ship doors, hoods, fenders, bumpers etc that way and 
they NEVER arrive damaged.  When I have tried to ship them some other 
way that bare, they arrive damaged at least 50% of the time.


John Berryman wrote:

On Mar 28, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable
on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.




	That's the lazy man's way. It would get some damage for sure that  
way and it is doubtful that freight insurance would cover poorly  
packed items.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
I have no idea the actual reason, but my theory is that if its NOT 
wrapped, they can see what they are dealing with, but if its wrapped, 
they tend to just throw it around thinking it will be safe???


Loren Faeth wrote:

They tend to beat them up less if they are unwrapped.  There is some 
twisted psychology at play there, but i don't know what.  The current 
thinking is to just put a label on it and send it.  That is not just 
Kaleb's idea.  If it is wrapped, they make sure they run over it first, 
then spear it with a forklift for good measure.


At 02:20 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote:



On Mar 28, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:



As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable
on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.



   That's the lazy man's way. It would get some damage for sure that
way and it is doubtful that freight insurance would cover poorly
packed items.

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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
People, what I just posted before about how we ship them is the facts on 
the issue, I ship these sorts of things EVERY week, I know what I am 
talking about.


David Brodbeck wrote:


John Berryman wrote:

	Packing it in a good strong box or crate is the correct way to ship.  
If done properly there should be no damage.
 



Most of the time that works.  I've found, though, that UPS is 
occasionally capable of destroying the most carefully packed items.


There was the four-wheeled dolly kit we bought at one place I worked.  
It was packed in a very sturdy cardboard box, but UPS somehow managed to 
demolish the box so thoroughly that an eight inch diameter caster fell 
out and disappeared forever.


Then there was the stack of new COMPAQ computers that UPS decided to 
ship with the this end up arrows pointed downward.  One of them failed 
to boot as a result, because the processor came loose and fell out of 
its slot.


I get the impression they really don't care if stuff arrives intact.  
They already got paid.  A friend who used to do seasonal work for UPS 
during the holiday season had some stories about how he'd see people 
throw packages several feet, kick them around, etc.


That said, UPS's website specifically says you can ship 
irregularly-shaped metal items without boxing them, if you put cardboard 
over any sharp or protruding ends.  (Their example drawing appears to be 
of a muffler.)  If I were getting a car body part for free, I'd probably 
take my chances.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 28, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

BZT, WRONG.  I ship doors, hoods, fenders, bumpers etc that way  
and

they NEVER arrive damaged.  When I have tried to ship them some other
way that bare, they arrive damaged at least 50% of the time.



OK how's this? YMMV.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Levi Smith
You're not kidding.  You want to see the royal treatment for packages, 
that's it.  I saw one for that much, and I think there was one that was 
for something like $50K.  Those packages didn't even make it to the main 
terminal, they sat in the managers office and were the absolute best 
treated I've ever seen.  (Now, why on earth anyone would ship something 
worth $50K via Fedex Home Delivery is beyond me)...


Levi (:

Rick Knoble wrote:
If you want to be ABSOLUTELY SURE
that your stuff gets there intact with UPS, insure it for $5000. That will 
put it into the High Value category, and it WILL get treated with kid 
gloves.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 




Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Levi Smith
Figure it this way...  If I delivered a package in a box, as long as the 
box looks halfway decent, then I delivered it intact, despite what the 
innards may look like.
Now, if I have an exhaust system that now has a pipe bent in half, well 
umm, I'm going to have the manager take care of that before I ever walk 
up to the customer and say here you go!




David Brodbeck wrote:

John Berryman wrote:

	Packing it in a good strong box or crate is the correct way to ship.  
If done properly there should be no damage.
 



Most of the time that works.  I've found, though, that UPS is 
occasionally capable of destroying the most carefully packed items.


There was the four-wheeled dolly kit we bought at one place I worked.  
It was packed in a very sturdy cardboard box, but UPS somehow managed to 
demolish the box so thoroughly that an eight inch diameter caster fell 
out and disappeared forever.


Then there was the stack of new COMPAQ computers that UPS decided to 
ship with the this end up arrows pointed downward.  One of them failed 
to boot as a result, because the processor came loose and fell out of 
its slot.


I get the impression they really don't care if stuff arrives intact.  
They already got paid.  A friend who used to do seasonal work for UPS 
during the holiday season had some stories about how he'd see people 
throw packages several feet, kick them around, etc.




Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread Curt Raymond
For shipping computers we've got some ridgid plastic and metal cases that have 
3 of foam around the computer.
  One time I swear UPS drove over the box with a truck, the computer came back 
trapezoidial. The box was totally crushed. I grabbed the UPS guy and said NO 
WAY he was totally unimpressed with my complaint. I got nowhere with UPS 
corporate either. Fortunately my company carries private shipping insurance.
  Interestingly although all 5 haddrives in the computer were ruined (one had 
split open) the PC still worked once I put in another drive.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 17:08:09 -0800
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John Berryman wrote:
  Packing it in a good strong box or crate is the correct way to ship.  
 If done properly there should be no damage.
   

Most of the time that works.  I've found, though, that UPS is 
occasionally capable of destroying the most carefully packed items.

There was the four-wheeled dolly kit we bought at one place I worked.  
It was packed in a very sturdy cardboard box, but UPS somehow managed 
to 
demolish the box so thoroughly that an eight inch diameter caster fell 
out and disappeared forever.

Then there was the stack of new COMPAQ computers that UPS decided to 
ship with the this end up arrows pointed downward.  One of them 
failed 
to boot as a result, because the processor came loose and fell out of 
its slot.

I get the impression they really don't care if stuff arrives intact.  
They already got paid.  A friend who used to do seasonal work for UPS 
during the holiday season had some stories about how he'd see people 
throw packages several feet, kick them around, etc.

That said, UPS's website specifically says you can ship 
irregularly-shaped metal items without boxing them, if you put 
cardboard 
over any sharp or protruding ends.  (Their example drawing appears to 
be 
of a muffler.)  If I were getting a car body part for free, I'd 
probably 
take my chances.



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used them.  Delivered a transfer case from NY to AZ OVERNIGHT when it was 
supposed to go ground.  Customer had to fight the near $400 bill.  Same 
customer bought an engine at the same time, shipped both the same time and 
both were supposed to go the same way..They say the engine leaked a few 
drops of oil so it was to be returned to me in NYThey discovered the 
leak in AZ  OK so I deal with it and wait, and wait, and wait some 
more..After 30 days I get a call from my customer.He has recieved a 
call from DHL..Somehow they LOST THE  ENGINE
  Luckily they were insured so my customer made out well on that but it was 
a major headache right from the beginning.  OHDid I mention all of this 
was originated from my customers DHL account.The driver that picked them 
up had no idea what was going on.

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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-29 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 29, 2006, at 10:07 AM, Curt Raymond wrote:

For shipping computers we've got some ridgid plastic and metal  
cases that have 3 of foam around the computer.
  One time I swear UPS drove over the box with a truck, the  
computer came back trapezoidial. The box was totally crushed. I  
grabbed the UPS guy and said NO WAY he was totally unimpressed  
with my complaint. I got nowhere with UPS corporate either.  
Fortunately my company carries private shipping insurance.
  Interestingly although all 5 haddrives in the computer were  
ruined (one had split open) the PC still worked once I put in  
another drive.


  -Curt



	I once shipped an old iMac computer to a friend via UPS. It was  
packed in a box with plenty styrofoam and that box was placed inside  
another box that was lined with styrofoam too.
	Somehow it was damaged. Ups took the package back and inspected it,  
then returned the damaged iMac to me. I got a phone call stating that  
UPS would reimburse me for the shipping as well as send me a separate  
check for $327.62 for the computer. I told them that I only paid $120  
for the computer and that was all I should get from them.
	Their response was that they researched the value of the item  
shipped and found that the amount they were sending me was in line  
with the replacement value. I was told that I either had to accept  
that amount or appeal their decision, so I thanked them for the extra  
$207.62 and sat there scratching my head in amazement.


Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Marshall Booth

Richard Hattaway wrote:

Guys and Gals,

I have a rear hatch for a 300TD available for pick up.  It is primed,
no rust, with window and seal.  I got it from Dan Steadman some time
ago to use on my car, but never got around to doing it, so the car left
w/Chris Jude and the rear hatch is taking up space in my garage.

It is pick up only, I wont even consider shipping it, as I dont have
time to mess with putting the package together.  But it is free, and if
yours is rusty it certainly would be a good addition.  Please contact
me off list, as I do not read every posting here, and dont want to miss
your note.


Is it for a 123 or 124 300TD?

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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin
As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable 
on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.


Richard Hattaway wrote:


Guys and Gals,

I have a rear hatch for a 300TD available for pick up.  It is primed,
no rust, with window and seal.  I got it from Dan Steadman some time
ago to use on my car, but never got around to doing it, so the car left
w/Chris Jude and the rear hatch is taking up space in my garage.

It is pick up only, I wont even consider shipping it, as I dont have
time to mess with putting the package together.  But it is free, and if
yours is rusty it certainly would be a good addition.  Please contact
me off list, as I do not read every posting here, and dont want to miss
your note.

Richard
Salisbury NC

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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Rick Knoble
As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable 
on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.


UPS too! (I work for UPS)

Rick Knoble 
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'87 190 DT




Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

they are too expensive usually.  tell them to lower their prices.

Rick Knoble wrote:

As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable 
on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.



UPS too! (I work for UPS)

Rick Knoble 
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Richard Hattaway
Sorry, it is for a 123.

Guess there are other 300TD's out there, aren't there...

Richard

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 Richard Hattaway wrote:
  Guys and Gals,
  
  I have a rear hatch for a 300TD available for pick up.  It is
 primed,
  no rust, with window and seal.  I got it from Dan Steadman some
 time
  ago to use on my car, but never got around to doing it, so the car
 left
  w/Chris Jude and the rear hatch is taking up space in my garage.
  
  It is pick up only, I wont even consider shipping it, as I dont
 have
  time to mess with putting the package together.  But it is free,
 and if
  yours is rusty it certainly would be a good addition.  Please
 contact
  me off list, as I do not read every posting here, and dont want to
 miss
  your note.
 
 Is it for a 123 or 124 300TD?
 
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread John Berryman


On Mar 28, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable
on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.



	That's the lazy man's way. It would get some damage for sure that  
way and it is doubtful that freight insurance would cover poorly  
packed items.


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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Loren Faeth
They tend to beat them up less if they are unwrapped.  There is some 
twisted psychology at play there, but i don't know what.  The current 
thinking is to just put a label on it and send it.  That is not just 
Kaleb's idea.  If it is wrapped, they make sure they run over it first, 
then spear it with a forklift for good measure.


At 02:20 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote:


On Mar 28, 2006, at 9:54 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

 As long as the glass is not installed in it all you do is slap a lable
 on it and have DHL/fedex come and pick it up.


That's the lazy man's way. It would get some damage for sure that
way and it is doubtful that freight insurance would cover poorly
packed items.

Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Levi Smith
Yeah, I used to work for Fedex Home Delivery(in the same terminal as the 
Ground guys).  If I got something in the open(i.e. unpackaged), I took 
better care of it, as it would be easier to damage and more obvious if 
it was damaged.  Most everything was in boxes though.  Those things get 
tossed all over the place.  I remember loading up at the terminal and 
seeing one of the handlers toss one and hearing that familiar sound of 
broken dishes or china or something.  Maybe we ought to just pass that 
one on over to the broken area now...


And seeing them when they come in on the semi's isn't much better.  If 
your package happens to be on the bottom of one of those 13ft tall 
trailers stacked to the top, your package better be able to withstand 
the weight of all the others on top of it...


I don't think I was as bad as some of the other drivers.  Of course I 
did have to fish a package off of the TOP of my delivery van one time. 
I don't know how THAT could have happened... (:




Loren Faeth wrote:
They tend to beat them up less if they are unwrapped.  There is some 
twisted psychology at play there, but i don't know what.  The current 
thinking is to just put a label on it and send it.  That is not just 
Kaleb's idea.  If it is wrapped, they make sure they run over it first, 
then spear it with a forklift for good measure.




Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Rick Knoble

That's the lazy man's way. It would get some damage for sure that
way and it is doubtful that freight insurance would cover poorly
packed items.


Believe it or not, open bulk or irreg items (as they are referred to) get 
treated pretty well if they are open and NOT boxed. I won a bladder tank for 
my well on eBay and the guy said local pick-up only. I asked him if he 
would slap a shipping label on if I sent him one and set it on his porch for 
pick-up. He said sure. A couple mouse clicks later (I have a UPS shipping 
account), and I mailed him a shipping label. A couple more days after that, 
I had my tank, damage-free. Simple.


Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 



Re: [MBZ] 300TD Rear Hatch Available - Pick Up Only

2006-03-28 Thread Richard Hattaway
I would gladly do that if someone is interested.  I just cannot go to
the issues of taking it anywere, boxing it, worrying about it getting
beat up, etc.  If someone wants to handle it like Rick describes, I am
all for it,  Send me a label and I will send directions to the front
porch (garage door, actually).  

Of course in this situation, I take no responsibility other than to
refund the purchaser's cost of product ($0), minus any shipping and
trouble they went to.  (c:

Richard
Salisbury NC

--- Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  That's the lazy man's way. It would get some damage for sure that
  way and it is doubtful that freight insurance would cover poorly
  packed items.
 
 Believe it or not, open bulk or irreg items (as they are referred
 to) get 
 treated pretty well if they are open and NOT boxed. I won a bladder
 tank for 
 my well on eBay and the guy said local pick-up only. I asked him if
 he 
 would slap a shipping label on if I sent him one and set it on his
 porch for 
 pick-up. He said sure. A couple mouse clicks later (I have a UPS
 shipping 
 account), and I mailed him a shipping label. A couple more days after
 that, 
 I had my tank, damage-free. Simple.
 
 Rick Knoble
 '85 300 CD
 '87 190 DT 
 
 

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