Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans B2

[Rick Hawkins Java Letterpress Cycles Photon via Mercedes]

Folks,

I replaces a B2 piston probably about 2009 with someone and I remember it being 
extremely hard to remove from the transmission ... this was with the 
transmission in the car

I would do what it takes to remove and replace it since you are in so deeply

Xx rick

> On Sep 18, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have the cover off the B2 piston.  the piston is aluminum, and dated 1991.  
> the outside looks significantly different from the new one.   It has a 115 
> part number, where the new one is 107 270 .
> I have the piston partway out, and now can't get it back in, or out without 
> forcing it.   It appears to be stuck on the forward side.  when I try to push 
> it in, it feels like it strikes metal on the front side.
> 
> Will get photos and full p/ns and post again.
> 
> There is a tristar sticker on the flange that mates to the engine that leads 
> me to believe this was a replacement trans in 1992 or so.   I am inclined to 
> put the B2 piston back  in if I can get it in, and put the cover on.
> 
> What would all y'all who have had B2 pistons out do at this point?
> 
> 


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

That is a good idea.  I had not thought of that

Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 9/13/19 11:03 AM:



You could likely make something that would work on top of a floor 
jack. The adapters generally just drop into the hole from which you 
remove the saddle. Bolt on a chunk of 3/4 plywood and put some side 
rails of some sort on or wrap a ratchet strap around it to keep it 
from falling off.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Let your fingers do the walking, find a tool rental place that has a
transmission jack for rent.. or .. check at local FLAPS and see who they
suggest, or if they have one for rent.

One time use, daily charge, plus deposit... done and dusted.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 3:38 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> +1. Just fab it up. Diesnt have to be pretty.
>
> On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:07 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 13/09/2019 8:04 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> > > How about this one?
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Roadstar-Adjustable-Trolley-Transmission-Adapter/dp/B07GBXXHNL/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=transmission+floor+jack+adapter=1568378311=8-10
> > >
> > >
> > > MG
> >
> >
> > You could likely make something that would work on top of a floor jack.
> > The adapters generally just drop into the hole from which you remove the
> > saddle. Bolt on a chunk of 3/4 plywood and put some side rails of some
> > sort on or wrap a ratchet strap around it to keep it from falling off.
> >
> > Randy
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

+1. Just fab it up. Diesnt have to be pretty.

On Fri, Sep 13, 2019, 9:07 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 13/09/2019 8:04 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> > How about this one?
> >
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/Roadstar-Adjustable-Trolley-Transmission-Adapter/dp/B07GBXXHNL/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=transmission+floor+jack+adapter=1568378311=8-10
> >
> >
> > MG
>
>
> You could likely make something that would work on top of a floor jack.
> The adapters generally just drop into the hole from which you remove the
> saddle. Bolt on a chunk of 3/4 plywood and put some side rails of some
> sort on or wrap a ratchet strap around it to keep it from falling off.
>
> Randy
>
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

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On 13/09/2019 12:02 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/jacks-jack-stands/transmission-jacks/450-lbs-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html 



I have one of these. I first got one of the adapters to put on the 
floor jack but it was too tall and I could not get the vehicle high 
enough. This one goes down quite flat to start with.


Randy

Yeah, I looked at those.  Last time I looked they were around $50.   I 
was willing to pay $50-60 but not 100 plus shipping.
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 13/09/2019 8:04 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:

How about this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Roadstar-Adjustable-Trolley-Transmission-Adapter/dp/B07GBXXHNL/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=transmission+floor+jack+adapter=1568378311=8-10 



MG



You could likely make something that would work on top of a floor jack. 
The adapters generally just drop into the hole from which you remove the 
saddle. Bolt on a chunk of 3/4 plywood and put some side rails of some 
sort on or wrap a ratchet strap around it to keep it from falling off.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 They have a bunch of brands now. I think "Chicago Electric" is still the 
"budget" brand. "Baur" seems to be the middle and "Hercules" the top. IIRC 
Dad's new saw is a Baur.
-Curt

On Friday, September 13, 2019, 11:13:40 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I have one of their rechargeable drills (18 or 20 V, I think) that’s about 3-4 
years old. One of the batteries has cacked, but the remaining one is still 
strong and the drill works great. Plenty of torque.

I would buy another. I think it’s one of their Chicago something brands.

-D

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Actually I think HF has raised their quality standard significantly. Dad 
> bought a battery powered electric chainsaw that I fully expected to be junk 
> that is surprisingly good. We've mostly used it for close limbing on trees. 
> Cut the branch with clippers, then trim the stub right to the trunk with the 
> saw once all the limbs are gone, works a treat.
> Based on that I'm seriously considering HF for my next cordless drill. My 12 
> year old Craftsman 19v is still going okay but I'm down to one battery and 
> that one is starting to get a little soft. They're only NiCd batteries, I 
> wonder if its worth trying to rebuild the bad one. I think its just got one 
> bad cell, it'll take charge but has no oomph. I haven't checked voltage but I 
> bet its low.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>    On Friday, September 13, 2019, 12:55:14 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> wrote:  
> 
> yeah the cheapest trans jack I could find was around $75, and That is 
> more than I want to pay for what may well be a one use thing.  I thought 
> HF had them for about $50, but they have raised prices to where I can 
> buy one locally for less.  My guess is that HF has passed to the next 
> generation, and they are greedy.  In the last year or two their prices 
> are often higher than elsewhere.  It is no longer the purveyor of cheep 
> chinee chit.
> 
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/12/19 12:19 PM:
>> There is an attachment that fits into most floor jack holes and allows 
>> you to hold and tilt the transmission. Always wanted one. That said I 
>> just use the floor jack and hold the transmission on balance while 
>> pumping the handle with my leg. It doesn't take much as the 
>> transmission is light.
>> 
>> MG
>> 
>> Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I 
>>> ordered it last!  still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay 
>>> could not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.
>>> 
>>> The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.  Like $18 
>>> shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. 
>>> not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.
>>> 
>>> When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and 
>>> part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.
>>> 
>>> So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days 
>>> to work on the trans and get it in the car.
>>> 
>>> Anyone got tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a 
>>> trans jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it 
>>> fore/aft while slipping blocks under it is the way to go.  With a 
>>> helper, I might be able to balance it on a floor jack while the 
>>> helper jacks it up.
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I have one of their rechargeable drills (18 or 20 V, I think) that’s about 3-4 
years old. One of the batteries has cacked, but the remaining one is still 
strong and the drill works great. Plenty of torque.

I would buy another. I think it’s one of their Chicago something brands.

-D

> On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:47 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Actually I think HF has raised their quality standard significantly. Dad 
> bought a battery powered electric chainsaw that I fully expected to be junk 
> that is surprisingly good. We've mostly used it for close limbing on trees. 
> Cut the branch with clippers, then trim the stub right to the trunk with the 
> saw once all the limbs are gone, works a treat.
> Based on that I'm seriously considering HF for my next cordless drill. My 12 
> year old Craftsman 19v is still going okay but I'm down to one battery and 
> that one is starting to get a little soft. They're only NiCd batteries, I 
> wonder if its worth trying to rebuild the bad one. I think its just got one 
> bad cell, it'll take charge but has no oomph. I haven't checked voltage but I 
> bet its low.
> 
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, September 13, 2019, 12:55:14 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> yeah the cheapest trans jack I could find was around $75, and That is 
> more than I want to pay for what may well be a one use thing.  I thought 
> HF had them for about $50, but they have raised prices to where I can 
> buy one locally for less.  My guess is that HF has passed to the next 
> generation, and they are greedy.  In the last year or two their prices 
> are often higher than elsewhere.  It is no longer the purveyor of cheep 
> chinee chit.
> 
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/12/19 12:19 PM:
>> There is an attachment that fits into most floor jack holes and allows 
>> you to hold and tilt the transmission. Always wanted one. That said I 
>> just use the floor jack and hold the transmission on balance while 
>> pumping the handle with my leg. It doesn't take much as the 
>> transmission is light.
>> 
>> MG
>> 
>> Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I 
>>> ordered it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay 
>>> could not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.
>>> 
>>> The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 
>>> shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. 
>>> not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.
>>> 
>>> When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and 
>>> part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.
>>> 
>>> So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days 
>>> to work on the trans and get it in the car.
>>> 
>>> Anyone got tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a 
>>> trans jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it 
>>> fore/aft while slipping blocks under it is the way to go.   With a 
>>> helper, I might be able to balance it on a floor jack while the 
>>> helper jacks it up.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 LOL, too right.Food prices are down due to lack of trade which is a disaster 
because, Farmers. Years ago when bio-fuels were big food prices were up which 
was a disaster because, poor people...
-Curt

On Friday, September 13, 2019, 8:36:38 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 That depends on which propaganda you prefer to listen to!  Capitalists will
tell you as much as 25%, Orange Crush sez the RedComms are footing the HUGE
bill, donkey will tell you the sky is falling and the oceans are rising -
we've only got 2 years and 8 months to Armageddon.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Sep 13, 2019 at 7:40 AM tyee165 via Mercedes 
wrote:

> How much are the trade war tariffs adding to the prices for goods from
> China?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Actually I think HF has raised their quality standard significantly. Dad 
bought a battery powered electric chainsaw that I fully expected to be junk 
that is surprisingly good. We've mostly used it for close limbing on trees. Cut 
the branch with clippers, then trim the stub right to the trunk with the saw 
once all the limbs are gone, works a treat.
Based on that I'm seriously considering HF for my next cordless drill. My 12 
year old Craftsman 19v is still going okay but I'm down to one battery and that 
one is starting to get a little soft. They're only NiCd batteries, I wonder if 
its worth trying to rebuild the bad one. I think its just got one bad cell, 
it'll take charge but has no oomph. I haven't checked voltage but I bet its low.

-Curt

On Friday, September 13, 2019, 12:55:14 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 yeah the cheapest trans jack I could find was around $75, and That is 
more than I want to pay for what may well be a one use thing.  I thought 
HF had them for about $50, but they have raised prices to where I can 
buy one locally for less.  My guess is that HF has passed to the next 
generation, and they are greedy.  In the last year or two their prices 
are often higher than elsewhere.  It is no longer the purveyor of cheep 
chinee chit.

MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/12/19 12:19 PM:
> There is an attachment that fits into most floor jack holes and allows 
> you to hold and tilt the transmission. Always wanted one. That said I 
> just use the floor jack and hold the transmission on balance while 
> pumping the handle with my leg. It doesn't take much as the 
> transmission is light.
>
> MG
>
> Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
>> I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I 
>> ordered it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay 
>> could not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.
>>
>> The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 
>> shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. 
>> not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.
>>
>> When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and 
>> part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.
>>
>> So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days 
>> to work on the trans and get it in the car.
>>
>> Anyone got tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a 
>> trans jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it 
>> fore/aft while slipping blocks under it is the way to go.   With a 
>> helper, I might be able to balance it on a floor jack while the 
>> helper jacks it up.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

HF raised prices BEFORE any tariffs.   I suspect there was a 
generational change at the top of HF.


tyee165 via Mercedes wrote on 9/13/19 6:39 AM:

How much are the trade war tariffs adding to the prices for goods from 
China?Sent from my Galaxy Tab® A
 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes  Date: 2019-09-12  11:53 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: MG via Mercedes  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update yeah the cheapest trans jack I could find was 
around $75, and That is more than I want to pay for what may well be a one use thing.  I thought HF had them for about $50, but they have raised prices to where I can buy one locally for less.  My guess is that HF has passed to the next generation, and they are greedy.  In the last year or two their prices are often 
higher than elsewhere.  It is no longer the purveyor of cheep chinee chit.MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/12/19 12:19 PM:> There is an attachment that fits into most floor jack holes and allows > you to hold and tilt the transmission. Always wanted one. That said I > just use the floor jack and hold the 
transmission on balance while > pumping the handle with my leg. It doesn't take much as the > transmission is light.>> MG>> Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:>> I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I >> ordered it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB 
Tampa bay >> could not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.>>>> The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 >> shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. >> not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.>>>> 
When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and >> part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.>>>> So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days >> to work on the trans and get it in the car.>>>> Anyone got 
tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a >> trans jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it >> fore/aft while slipping blocks under it is the way to go.   With a >> helper, I might be able to balance it on a floor jack while the >> helper jacks it 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[MG via Mercedes]

How about this one?

https://www.amazon.com/Roadstar-Adjustable-Trolley-Transmission-Adapter/dp/B07GBXXHNL/ref=sr_1_10?keywords=transmission+floor+jack+adapter=1568378311=8-10

MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/jacks-jack-stands/transmission-jacks/450-lbs-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html 



I have one of these. I first got one of the adapters to put on the 
floor jack but it was too tall and I could not get the vehicle high 
enough. This one goes down quite flat to start with.


Randy

Yeah, I looked at those.  Last time I looked they were around $50.   I 
was willing to pay $50-60 but not 100 plus shipping.

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

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Curley better get his tranny fixed right quick then

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> On Sep 13, 2019, at 8:35 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

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That depends on which propaganda you prefer to listen to!  Capitalists will
tell you as much as 25%, Orange Crush sez the RedComms are footing the HUGE
bill, donkey will tell you the sky is falling and the oceans are rising -
we've only got 2 years and 8 months to Armageddon.
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

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How much are the trade war tariffs adding to the prices for goods from 
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 Original message From: Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 Date: 2019-09-12  11:53 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: MG via 
Mercedes  Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com> 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update yeah the cheapest trans jack I could find 
was around $75, and That is more than I want to pay for what may well be a one 
use thing.  I thought HF had them for about $50, but they have raised prices to 
where I can buy one locally for less.  My guess is that HF has passed to the 
next generation, and they are greedy.  In the last year or two their prices are 
often higher than elsewhere.  It is no longer the purveyor of cheep chinee 
chit.MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/12/19 12:19 PM:> There is an attachment that 
fits into most floor jack holes and allows > you to hold and tilt the 
transmission. Always wanted one. That said I > just use the floor jack and hold 
the transmission on balance while > pumping the handle with my leg. It doesn't 
take much as the > transmission is light.>> MG>> Curley McLain via Mercedes 
wrote:>> I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I >> 
ordered it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay >> could 
not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.>>>> The MB stealer 
websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 >> shipping for the 
$3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. >> not so.  Stealer parts 
have still not arrived.>>>> When everything is here, I will try to assemble a 
list of parts and >> part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it 
for all y'all.>>>> So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few 
dry days >> to work on the trans and get it in the car.>>>> Anyone got tricks 
for how to get an A/T up into the car without a >> trans jack and without a 
helper?  I am thinking that rocking it >> fore/aft while slipping blocks under 
it is the way to go.   With a >> helper, I might be able to balance it on a 
floor jack while the >> helper jacks it up.>>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

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https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/jacks-jack-stands/transmission-jacks/450-lbs-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html 



I have one of these. I first got one of the adapters to put on the 
floor jack but it was too tall and I could not get the vehicle high 
enough. This one goes down quite flat to start with.


Randy

Yeah, I looked at those.  Last time I looked they were around $50.   I 
was willing to pay $50-60 but not 100 plus shipping.

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yeah the cheapest trans jack I could find was around $75, and That is 
more than I want to pay for what may well be a one use thing.  I thought 
HF had them for about $50, but they have raised prices to where I can 
buy one locally for less.  My guess is that HF has passed to the next 
generation, and they are greedy.  In the last year or two their prices 
are often higher than elsewhere.  It is no longer the purveyor of cheep 
chinee chit.


MG via Mercedes wrote on 9/12/19 12:19 PM:
There is an attachment that fits into most floor jack holes and allows 
you to hold and tilt the transmission. Always wanted one. That said I 
just use the floor jack and hold the transmission on balance while 
pumping the handle with my leg. It doesn't take much as the 
transmission is light.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I 
ordered it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay 
could not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.


The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 
shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. 
not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.


When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and 
part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.


So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days 
to work on the trans and get it in the car.


Anyone got tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a 
trans jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it 
fore/aft while slipping blocks under it is the way to go.   With a 
helper, I might be able to balance it on a floor jack while the 
helper jacks it up.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

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On 12/09/2019 10:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I ordered 
it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay could 
not find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.


The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 
shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. 
not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.


When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and 
part numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.


So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days 
to work on the trans and get it in the car.


Anyone got tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a 
trans jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it 
fore/aft while slipping blocks under it is the way to go.   With a 
helper, I might be able to balance it on a floor jack while the helper 
jacks it up.


___


https://www.harborfreight.com/automotive/jacks-jack-stands/transmission-jacks/450-lbs-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html

I have one of these. I first got one of the adapters to put on the floor 
jack but it was too tall and I could not get the vehicle high enough. 
This one goes down quite flat to start with.


Randy


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans update

[MG via Mercedes]

There is an attachment that fits into most floor 
jack holes and allows you to hold and tilt the 
transmission. Always wanted one. That said I just 
use the floor jack and hold the transmission on 
balance while pumping the handle with my leg. It 
doesn't take much as the transmission is light.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I found the shift lever seal on fleabay.  It arrived first!  I ordered 
it last!   still don't know the MB part number.  MB Tampa bay could not 
find P/N. The autohaus order came in after 7-8 days.


The MB stealer websites all want very high shipping costs.   Like $18 
shipping for the $3.75 k1 spring kit.  I figgered that was 2 day air. 
not so.  Stealer parts have still not arrived.


When everything is here, I will try to assemble a list of parts and part 
numbers, and mfgr numbers for everything and post it for all y'all.


So by next week, I hope the weather breaks and we have a few dry days to 
work on the trans and get it in the car.


Anyone got tricks for how to get an A/T up into the car without a trans 
jack and without a helper?  I am thinking that rocking it fore/aft while 
slipping blocks under it is the way to go.   With a helper, I might be 
able to balance it on a floor jack while the helper jacks it up.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I meant to write about this the other day. Back when we still had the 1996 
Dodge Dakota the transmission got stuck in 1st gear. Angie had to drive it 
about 5 miles like that.
As is so common it did it about 2 days before Christmas and this was right 
after we had bought our house and had no money.
I put about half a quart of the Lucas stuff in, its like really thick ATF. I 
drove it around for a little while with that in it and if I shifted from D to N 
and back to D it'd shift into second. After a couple more miles it'd get third.
Getting 4th reliably took maybe 20 miles. Within 100 miles it was completely 
back to normal. I drove it probably another 100 miles and had the fluid and 
filter changed to M1 ATF.
We drove it something like 70,000 more miles before the truck was so rusty it 
wasn't worth keeping. Had 222,000 miles at that point.
I'm pretty sold on the stuff...
-Curt

On Wednesday, August 28, 2019, 11:01:09 PM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Does anyone have part numbers for the front pump seal (Per Dan) and the 
oring seal for the secondary pump on the side?


Re: MG message:   I know some of the brands of transmission fixit juice 
are good.   I put some in the 124 300D, which could drop 1-2 qt 
overnite.  Since then, the trans has been perfect for another 170k and 
counting.   If the seals are softened a bit, they seal.  (unless they 
are really worn out)

MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/27/19 11:45 AM:
> If you have any problems with slipping due to the inside seals, try 
> 1/2 of a quart bottle of Lucas Transmission Fix. I put that much in 
> the transmission I took out of an old 126 when I installed it in my TD 
> march of 2013 about 6 years ago. I was told the 126 had been in the 
> junk yard over 4 years at the time (small local yard). It was slipping 
> at first but after about 50 miles of easy driving it started working 
> great. It still is even at full pedal acceleration from stop up into 4th.
>
> I probably should have done the external seals but it has lasted over 
> 100K since I installed it. Just now starting to leak a bit at the 
> front seal. Going by the odometer of the car I took it out of it now 
> has well over 300K if the odometer was correct.
>
> MG
>


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd need to have  seal number to order from them.

I am still looking for seal number for the shifter shaft seal, and for 
the orings (Pn or oring size) to seal the pumps

FWIW, I just bought a bunch of seals from 123bearing.com.  Its not the
easiest to find stuff there since they stock so many different parts, but
they're very inexpensive.  They ship from France, of all places, arrived in
2 days to me here in NJ.

They also list vbelts... I might order a few optibelts and see what comes,
as lots of genuine belts are made by them now too.

Jaime



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[MG via Mercedes]

He will know better about the Mercedes then.
going by sorry
Justa 40 year old memory of doing US
transmissions where we always replaced the seal
and bushing and sometimes had to resize the
bushing it it was too tight.
AH those were the days. Why I remember..? well
maybe I don't.

MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

dunno, Dan sez he replaced front seal

MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/29/19 10:00 AM:
If I remember correctly you may have to look for those aftermarket 
because Mercedes wants to sell you only the whole front seal holder 
assembly. I think one of the people whom I approached about that said 
something about there is no replaceable bushing in there and if you 
just put a seal in you would have a leak in short order due to slop in 
that area. Don't know about that but something to look into.


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[MG via Mercedes]

He will know better about the Mercedes then.
Just boing bu a 40 year old memory of doing US 
transmissions where we always replaced the seal 
and bushing and sometimes had to resize the 
bushing it it was too tight.
AH those were the days. Why I remember..? well 
maybe I don't.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

dunno, Dan sez he replaced front seal

MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/29/19 10:00 AM:
If I remember correctly you may have to look for those aftermarket 
because Mercedes wants to sell you only the whole front seal holder 
assembly. I think one of the people whom I approached about that said 
something about there is no replaceable bushing in there and if you 
just put a seal in you would have a leak in short order due to slop in 
that area. Don't know about that but something to look into.


MG




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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

FWIW, I just bought a bunch of seals from 123bearing.com.  Its not the
easiest to find stuff there since they stock so many different parts, but
they're very inexpensive.  They ship from France, of all places, arrived in
2 days to me here in NJ.

They also list vbelts... I might order a few optibelts and see what comes,
as lots of genuine belts are made by them now too.

Jaime




On Thu, Aug 29, 2019 at 11:04 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> dunno, Dan sez he replaced front seal
>
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/29/19 10:00 AM:
> > If I remember correctly you may have to look for those aftermarket
> > because Mercedes wants to sell you only the whole front seal holder
> > assembly. I think one of the people whom I approached about that said
> > something about there is no replaceable bushing in there and if you
> > just put a seal in you would have a leak in short order due to slop in
> > that area. Don't know about that but something to look into.
> >
> > MG
> >
>
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[Dan--- via Mercedes]

I didn’t say I replaced a front seal, I said you should replace the front seal 
if you’re going to reseal the box. As for the construction of such things in a 
Mercedes I have no experience, I was making a general comment.

-D

> On Aug 29, 2019, at 11:04 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> dunno, Dan sez he replaced front seal
> 
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/29/19 10:00 AM:
>> If I remember correctly you may have to look for those aftermarket because 
>> Mercedes wants to sell you only the whole front seal holder assembly. I 
>> think one of the people whom I approached about that said something about 
>> there is no replaceable bushing in there and if you just put a seal in you 
>> would have a leak in short order due to slop in that area. Don't know about 
>> that but something to look into.
>> 
>> MG
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

dunno, Dan sez he replaced front seal

MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/29/19 10:00 AM:
If I remember correctly you may have to look for those aftermarket 
because Mercedes wants to sell you only the whole front seal holder 
assembly. I think one of the people whom I approached about that said 
something about there is no replaceable bushing in there and if you 
just put a seal in you would have a leak in short order due to slop in 
that area. Don't know about that but something to look into.


MG




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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[MG via Mercedes]

If I remember correctly you may have to look for 
those aftermarket because Mercedes wants to sell 
you only the whole front seal holder assembly. I 
think one of the people whom I approached about 
that said something about there is no replaceable 
bushing in there and if you just put a seal in you 
would have a leak in short order due to slop in 
that area. Don't know about that but something to 
look into.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
Thanks!   I dug out the "new" trans yesterday to see if I can find seal 
numbers, etc.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote on 8/27/19 9:14 PM:
In case this helps, here's a link to a 722.3 doc I found some time in 
the past:


http://kittrellcommunitywatch.com/722.3.pdf  or

http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/722.3.pdf   or

Scott




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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Thanks!   I dug out the "new" trans yesterday to see if I can find seal 
numbers, etc.


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes wrote on 8/27/19 9:14 PM:

In case this helps, here's a link to a 722.3 doc I found some time in the past:

http://kittrellcommunitywatch.com/722.3.pdf  or

http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/722.3.pdf   or

Scott




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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Does anyone have part numbers for the front pump seal (Per Dan) and the 
oring seal for the secondary pump on the side?



Re: MG message:   I know some of the brands of transmission fixit juice 
are good.   I put some in the 124 300D, which could drop 1-2 qt 
overnite.  Since then, the trans has been perfect for another 170k and 
counting.   If the seals are softened a bit, they seal.  (unless they 
are really worn out)


MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/27/19 11:45 AM:
If you have any problems with slipping due to the inside seals, try 
1/2 of a quart bottle of Lucas Transmission Fix. I put that much in 
the transmission I took out of an old 126 when I installed it in my TD 
march of 2013 about 6 years ago. I was told the 126 had been in the 
junk yard over 4 years at the time (small local yard). It was slipping 
at first but after about 50 miles of easy driving it started working 
great. It still is even at full pedal acceleration from stop up into 4th.


I probably should have done the external seals but it has lasted over 
100K since I installed it. Just now starting to leak a bit at the 
front seal. Going by the odometer of the car I took it out of it now 
has well over 300K if the odometer was correct.


MG




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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Yes!


Rick

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On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:41:24 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

> I'd be glad to have the .pdf if you get somewhere with the bandwidth.
> No hurry.  It will probably take 1-2 weeks to get parts rounded up/

I have a ZIP file of a bunch of files on Mercedes transmissions.
It is 28.56 MB.

Would you like me to send it to you?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 17:41:24 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I'd be glad to have the .pdf if you get somewhere with the bandwidth.  
> No hurry.  It will probably take 1-2 weeks to get parts rounded up/

I have a ZIP file of a bunch of files on Mercedes transmissions.
It is 28.56 MB.

Would you like me to send it to you?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

In case this helps, here's a link to a 722.3 doc I found some time in the past:

http://kittrellcommunitywatch.com/722.3.pdf  or

http://kittrellcommunitywatch.dyndns.org/722.3.pdf   or

Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curley McLain via Mercedes
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2019 6:41 PM
> To: MG via Mercedes 
> Cc: Curley McLain <126die...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans
> 
> I'd be glad to have the .pdf if you get somewhere with the bandwidth. No
> hurry.  It will probably take 1-2 weeks to get parts rounded up/
> 
> Thanks for the P/Ns.
> 
> MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/27/19 12:00 PM:
> > The following come from a how to on the B2 replacement.
> >
> > B2 Piston - 107 270 04 32 (a 4th level supercession from the original
> > number) the seal should come already installed on the piston.
> >
> > K1 Spring Kit - 126 270 44 77 (not required but a good idea) for 2-3
> > flair according to the how to.
> >
> > I found the 722 repair pdf if you want it. 6.76 mb pdf.
> >
> > MG
> >
> > Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Oops forgot to ask:
> >>
> >> Anyone have the P/N for the B2 kit and the k3 spring?  I assume those
> >> will have to come from a dealer.
> >>
> >> I think the banjo fittings to the oil cooler are 10mm, so I ordered 4
> >> of 10x15x1 copper seals.   Is that right?
> >>
> >> I used to have the instructions for the k3 spring, but that never
> >> made it to this computer.
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I'd be glad to have the .pdf if you get somewhere with the bandwidth.  
No hurry.  It will probably take 1-2 weeks to get parts rounded up/


Thanks for the P/Ns.

MG via Mercedes wrote on 8/27/19 12:00 PM:

The following come from a how to on the B2 replacement.

B2 Piston - 107 270 04 32 (a 4th level supercession from the original 
number) the seal should come already installed on the piston.


K1 Spring Kit - 126 270 44 77 (not required but a good idea) for 2-3 
flair according to the how to.


I found the 722 repair pdf if you want it. 6.76 mb pdf.

MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Oops forgot to ask:

Anyone have the P/N for the B2 kit and the k3 spring?  I assume those 
will have to come from a dealer.


I think the banjo fittings to the oil cooler are 10mm, so I ordered 4 
of 10x15x1 copper seals.   Is that right?


I used to have the instructions for the k3 spring, but that never 
made it to this computer.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[MG via Mercedes]

The following come from a how to on the B2 
replacement.


B2 Piston - 107 270 04 32 (a 4th level 
supercession from the original number) the seal 
should come already installed on the piston.


K1 Spring Kit - 126 270 44 77 (not required but a 
good idea) for 2-3 flair according to the how to.


I found the 722 repair pdf if you want it. 6.76 mb 
pdf.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:

Oops forgot to ask:

Anyone have the P/N for the B2 kit and the k3 spring?  I assume those 
will have to come from a dealer.


I think the banjo fittings to the oil cooler are 10mm, so I ordered 4 of 
10x15x1 copper seals.   Is that right?


I used to have the instructions for the k3 spring, but that never made 
it to this computer.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[MG via Mercedes]

If you have any problems with slipping due to the 
inside seals, try 1/2 of a quart bottle of Lucas 
Transmission Fix. I put that much in the 
transmission I took out of an old 126 when I 
installed it in my TD march of 2013 about 6 years 
ago. I was told the 126 had been in the junk yard 
over 4 years at the time (small local yard). It 
was slipping at first but after about 50 miles of 
easy driving it started working great. It still is 
even at full pedal acceleration from stop up into 
4th.


I probably should have done the external seals but 
it has lasted over 100K since I installed it. Just 
now starting to leak a bit at the front seal. 
Going by the odometer of the car I took it out of 
it now has well over 300K if the odometer was correct.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I found front / rear seals.  Anybody have part numbers for the shifter 
seal or the oring for the secondary pump on the side?


Thanks

The fluid seemed ok so I think reseal - install is the route to try.  I 
am concerned about 38 yr old orings inside, if there are any.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

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The one time I did this I did only the front and front pump seals.  The
rear seal
is accessible from outside.

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oops forgot to ask:

Anyone have the P/N for the B2 kit and the k3 spring?  I assume those 
will have to come from a dealer.


I think the banjo fittings to the oil cooler are 10mm, so I ordered 4 of 
10x15x1 copper seals.   Is that right?


I used to have the instructions for the k3 spring, but that never made 
it to this computer.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I found front / rear seals.  Anybody have part numbers for the shifter 
seal or the oring for the secondary pump on the side?


Thanks

The fluid seemed ok so I think reseal - install is the route to try.  I 
am concerned about 38 yr old orings inside, if there are any.


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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think you have your answer, clean and re-seal, install and operational test.  
We'll be looking forward to your full report!

One of those threads recommended soda blasting to clean, it absorbs the oil and 
grease and falls off, but gentle on the transmission.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 27, 2019 10:05:32 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I wish I had the bandwidth to get through the 11 pages of forum.   Too 
>bad the guy didn't distill it into one document with photos.   I looked
>
>at the first page.  Pretty interesting stuff.
>
>Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 8/26/19 11:39 AM:
>> Here's the thread I was thinking about, should give you a good idea.
>> 722.315, the guy used both ATSG manual and the WIS for section 27 of
>the
>> FSM, plus a couple others he downloaded.
>>
>>
>http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/370024-going-rebuild-my-722-315-a.html
>>
>> Here is another for an older trans, 722.118, which may have some
>value
>> beyond education.  Stretch does some courageous things and he's very
>good
>> at fabricating special tools.
>>
>>
>http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/304903-722-118-automatic-transmission-rebuild-monster-diy.html
>>
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I wish I had the bandwidth to get through the 11 pages of forum.   Too 
bad the guy didn't distill it into one document with photos.   I looked 
at the first page.  Pretty interesting stuff.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 8/26/19 11:39 AM:

Here's the thread I was thinking about, should give you a good idea.
722.315, the guy used both ATSG manual and the WIS for section 27 of the
FSM, plus a couple others he downloaded.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/370024-going-rebuild-my-722-315-a.html

Here is another for an older trans, 722.118, which may have some value
beyond education.  Stretch does some courageous things and he's very good
at fabricating special tools.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/304903-722-118-automatic-transmission-rebuild-monster-diy.html

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 14:24:34 -0400 Meade Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> "Semi-related",  ha ha.

Sorry! That was an unintentional pun. I didn't
realize it was until I read your reply.


Craig

> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 2:19 PM Craig via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> > Having done the conversion from automatic to manual with parts I
> > removed from a junkyard manual transmission car, I can say it is not
> > difficult, but does take a fairly long time to complete all the steps.
> >
> > It indeed will be less labor to reseal the 722.3.
> >
> > As a semi-related note, I have found having automatic transmissions in
> > our 4-wheelers to be helpful when I drive our Kenworth with its
> > 13-speed unsynchronized transmission -- I don't have to change
> > between two different clutches and their different adjustments.

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"Semi-related",  ha ha.
-
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 2:19 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 00:15:15 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and
> > driveshaft?   Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest
> > that it is not easy to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm
> > thinking it will be less labor to reseal the 722.3 than to try to
> > convert to manual.
>
> Having done the conversion from automatic to manual with parts I removed
> from a junkyard manual transmission car, I can say it is not difficult,
> but does take a fairly long time to complete all the steps.
>
> It indeed will be less labor to reseal the 722.3.
>
> As a semi-related note, I have found having automatic transmissions in
> our 4-wheelers to be helpful when I drive our Kenworth with its 13-speed
> unsynchronized transmission -- I don't have to change between two
> different clutches and their different adjustments.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

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On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 00:15:15 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and 
> driveshaft?   Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest 
> that it is not easy to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm
> thinking it will be less labor to reseal the 722.3 than to try to
> convert to manual.

Having done the conversion from automatic to manual with parts I removed
from a junkyard manual transmission car, I can say it is not difficult,
but does take a fairly long time to complete all the steps.

It indeed will be less labor to reseal the 722.3.

As a semi-related note, I have found having automatic transmissions in
our 4-wheelers to be helpful when I drive our Kenworth with its 13-speed
unsynchronized transmission -- I don't have to change between two
different clutches and their different adjustments.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Here's the thread I was thinking about, should give you a good idea.
722.315, the guy used both ATSG manual and the WIS for section 27 of the
FSM, plus a couple others he downloaded.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/370024-going-rebuild-my-722-315-a.html

Here is another for an older trans, 722.118, which may have some value
beyond education.  Stretch does some courageous things and he's very good
at fabricating special tools.

http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/304903-722-118-automatic-transmission-rebuild-monster-diy.html

-
Max
Charleston SC


On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:18 AM Max Dillon  wrote:

> There is a thread on peach parts that documents a 722.? rebuild, either a
> .3 or a .4.  Rebuild kit was only $150 or so, and the ATSG rebuild manual
> was sufficient.  I think the fellow fabricated any special tools he needed
> from wood, his first time into an auto trans, and all it took was loads of
> time and patience.
>
> Simple Green and a power washer will clean it right up.
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> On August 26, 2019 1:15:15 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >I'm getting some of the projects ahead whittled down so I am beginning
> >to think more about replacing the dead trans in the 81 240D.  I have a
> >used trans from Kaleb that is supposed to be good.  However the seals
> >are old and so are all rubber parts.  I think I should put in new seals
> >
> >for sure.   If it were you, would you try to replace all orings, seals
> >and other rubber parts?  Would you replace the clutch packs?  It
> >probably makes sense to replace B2 piston and K3 spring.
> >
> >Where would you source oring and clutch pack parts from? ( seals and
> >B2/k3 are known)
> >
> >What else is rubber besides seals and orings?
> >
> >What is the best way to clean up the outside of the case before
> >starting?
> >
> >What are the pitfalls of trying to work on an auto trans without books
> >or prior training?  I've done manual trans before.
> >
> >Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and
> >driveshaft?   Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest
> >that it is not easy to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm
> >thinking
> >it will be less labor to reseal the 722.3 than to try to convert to
> >manual.
> >
> >What do all y'all think?
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

This is on my long term goals list... to get into a 722.x and start
collecting the tools to the do the job.  I have two 722.0's which I can
experiment with, and the microfiche that covers those transmissions.

Jaime


On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 10:52 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> For the most part a good snap ring pliers and compressed air are the main
> things. I’m not familiar with the innards of an MB transmission, but on the
> domestic stuff the specialized tools were mainly seal drivers and things to
> hold clutches and pressure plates together while you put snap rings back
> into place. A lot of them can be fabricated, but I wouldn’t want to go into
> one of these blind without a lot of time on my hands.
>
> If you do you know you’ll need to give us a blow-by-blow of the experience.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Aug 26, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > thanks Dan.  Makes sense. This is a one year only AT used in 1981.  It
> has no cable for throttle position.  If I can get seal numbers they are
> easy to get from a bearing house.   B2/K3 Probably Autohaus, but maybe one
> of the others.
> >
> > Out of curiosity, what special tools are needed to repair innards?
> >
> >
> > Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 8/26/19 6:32 AM:
> >> If it was out of the car I would probably replace all the external
> stuff I could get to, that is, seals like the front pump seal, tailshaft,
> selector rod shaft, B2/K3, vacuum stuff, etc.  Not sure I would tear into
> the internals unless absolutely necessary. I’ve rebuilt domestic
> slushboxes, which aren’t a whole lot different from the Mercedes version,
> but only when I had all the tools handy.
> >>
> >> Simple Green or any degreaser for the outside. That and a stiff bristle
> brush.
> >>
> >> If you’ve never cracked open an automatic transmission I wouldn’t
> suggest doing it with this one. If it was something simple like a
> Powerglide or THM that’s one thing, but without the tools required you’ll
> get in over your head quickly and end up with a bunch of scrap aluminum.
> Since there’s no real way to test it short of reinstalling, you really
> don’t want to go to the effort only to have to yank it back out, either.
> >>
> >> Unless the fluid that’s in it is burnt, I would just do the external
> stuff, change the fluid and filter, pop it into the car and call it good.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
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> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

For the most part a good snap ring pliers and compressed air are the main 
things. I’m not familiar with the innards of an MB transmission, but on the 
domestic stuff the specialized tools were mainly seal drivers and things to 
hold clutches and pressure plates together while you put snap rings back into 
place. A lot of them can be fabricated, but I wouldn’t want to go into one of 
these blind without a lot of time on my hands.

If you do you know you’ll need to give us a blow-by-blow of the experience.

-D


> On Aug 26, 2019, at 10:15 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> thanks Dan.  Makes sense. This is a one year only AT used in 1981.  It has no 
> cable for throttle position.  If I can get seal numbers they are easy to get 
> from a bearing house.   B2/K3 Probably Autohaus, but maybe one of the others.
> 
> Out of curiosity, what special tools are needed to repair innards?
> 
> 
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 8/26/19 6:32 AM:
>> If it was out of the car I would probably replace all the external stuff I 
>> could get to, that is, seals like the front pump seal, tailshaft, selector 
>> rod shaft, B2/K3, vacuum stuff, etc.  Not sure I would tear into the 
>> internals unless absolutely necessary. I’ve rebuilt domestic slushboxes, 
>> which aren’t a whole lot different from the Mercedes version, but only when 
>> I had all the tools handy.
>> 
>> Simple Green or any degreaser for the outside. That and a stiff bristle 
>> brush.
>> 
>> If you’ve never cracked open an automatic transmission I wouldn’t suggest 
>> doing it with this one. If it was something simple like a Powerglide or THM 
>> that’s one thing, but without the tools required you’ll get in over your 
>> head quickly and end up with a bunch of scrap aluminum. Since there’s no 
>> real way to test it short of reinstalling, you really don’t want to go to 
>> the effort only to have to yank it back out, either.
>> 
>> Unless the fluid that’s in it is burnt, I would just do the external stuff, 
>> change the fluid and filter, pop it into the car and call it good.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

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There is a thread on peach parts that documents a 722.? rebuild, either a .3 or 
a .4.  Rebuild kit was only $150 or so, and the ATSG rebuild manual was 
sufficient.  I think the fellow fabricated any special tools he needed from 
wood, his first time into an auto trans, and all it took was loads of time and 
patience.

Simple Green and a power washer will clean it right up.
-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC

On August 26, 2019 1:15:15 AM EDT, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>I'm getting some of the projects ahead whittled down so I am beginning 
>to think more about replacing the dead trans in the 81 240D.  I have a 
>used trans from Kaleb that is supposed to be good.  However the seals 
>are old and so are all rubber parts.  I think I should put in new seals
>
>for sure.   If it were you, would you try to replace all orings, seals 
>and other rubber parts?  Would you replace the clutch packs?  It 
>probably makes sense to replace B2 piston and K3 spring.
>
>Where would you source oring and clutch pack parts from? ( seals and 
>B2/k3 are known)
>
>What else is rubber besides seals and orings?
>
>What is the best way to clean up the outside of the case before
>starting?
>
>What are the pitfalls of trying to work on an auto trans without books 
>or prior training?  I've done manual trans before.
>
>Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and 
>driveshaft?   Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest 
>that it is not easy to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm
>thinking 
>it will be less labor to reseal the 722.3 than to try to convert to
>manual.
>
>What do all y'all think?
>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

thanks Dan.  Makes sense. This is a one year only AT used in 1981.  It 
has no cable for throttle position.  If I can get seal numbers they are 
easy to get from a bearing house.   B2/K3 Probably Autohaus, but maybe 
one of the others.


Out of curiosity, what special tools are needed to repair innards?


Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote on 8/26/19 6:32 AM:

If it was out of the car I would probably replace all the external stuff I 
could get to, that is, seals like the front pump seal, tailshaft, selector rod 
shaft, B2/K3, vacuum stuff, etc.  Not sure I would tear into the internals 
unless absolutely necessary. I’ve rebuilt domestic slushboxes, which aren’t a 
whole lot different from the Mercedes version, but only when I had all the 
tools handy.

Simple Green or any degreaser for the outside. That and a stiff bristle brush.

If you’ve never cracked open an automatic transmission I wouldn’t suggest doing 
it with this one. If it was something simple like a Powerglide or THM that’s 
one thing, but without the tools required you’ll get in over your head quickly 
and end up with a bunch of scrap aluminum. Since there’s no real way to test it 
short of reinstalling, you really don’t want to go to the effort only to have 
to yank it back out, either.

Unless the fluid that’s in it is burnt, I would just do the external stuff, 
change the fluid and filter, pop it into the car and call it good.

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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve done THMs (turbohydramatics - GM products) and C3s (Ford) back in the day. 
Not difficult to work on, and require a minimal amount of tools other than a 
high quality snap ring plier set.

When I went to tech school to train as a mechanic I was pretty familiar with 
every system in a car except automatic transmissions. They were a black box to 
me. I was amazed at what I learned when I went through that part of my 
training. Automatic transmission are pretty amazing pieces of engineering, 
especially the older, strictly mechanical/hydraulic ones. The valve bodies are 
the part that really fascinate me.

One of my instructors was a guy who pioneered the use of Powerglides in rail 
dragsters. He showed us a lot of interesting and simple modifications to beef 
up a stock transmission (many of which I’ve forgotten, no doubt.)

-D




> On Aug 26, 2019, at 8:08 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of simple automatic transmissions I thought this C4 rebuild video as 
> pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIvPdYB490 
> 
> 
> MB content, well, just watch...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, August 26, 2019, 7:33:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> If it was out of the car I would probably replace all the external stuff I 
> could get to, that is, seals like the front pump seal, tailshaft, selector 
> rod shaft, B2/K3, vacuum stuff, etc.  Not sure I would tear into the 
> internals unless absolutely necessary. I’ve rebuilt domestic slushboxes, 
> which aren’t a whole lot different from the Mercedes version, but only when I 
> had all the tools handy.
> 
> Simple Green or any degreaser for the outside. That and a stiff bristle brush.
> 
> If you’ve never cracked open an automatic transmission I wouldn’t suggest 
> doing it with this one. If it was something simple like a Powerglide or THM 
> that’s one thing, but without the tools required you’ll get in over your head 
> quickly and end up with a bunch of scrap aluminum. Since there’s no real way 
> to test it short of reinstalling, you really don’t want to go to the effort 
> only to have to yank it back out, either.
> 
> Unless the fluid that’s in it is burnt, I would just do the external stuff, 
> change the fluid and filter, pop it into the car and call it good.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Aug 26, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I'm getting some of the projects ahead whittled down so I am beginning to 
> > think more about replacing the dead trans in the 81 240D.  I have a used 
> > trans from Kaleb that is supposed to be good.  However the seals are old 
> > and so are all rubber parts.  I think I should put in new seals for sure.  
> > If it were you, would you try to replace all orings, seals and other rubber 
> > parts?  Would you replace the clutch packs?  It probably makes sense to 
> > replace B2 piston and K3 spring.
> > 
> > Where would you source oring and clutch pack parts from? ( seals and B2/k3 
> > are known)
> > 
> > What else is rubber besides seals and orings?
> > 
> > What is the best way to clean up the outside of the case before starting?
> > 
> > What are the pitfalls of trying to work on an auto trans without books or 
> > prior training?  I've done manual trans before.
> > 
> > Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and driveshaft?  
> > Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest that it is not 
> > easy to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm thinking it will be less 
> > labor to reseal the 722.3 than to try to convert to manual.
> > 
> > What do all y'all think?
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Speaking of simple automatic transmissions I thought this C4 rebuild video as 
pretty cool: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKIvPdYB490
MB content, well, just watch...
-Curt

On Monday, August 26, 2019, 7:33:34 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 If it was out of the car I would probably replace all the external stuff I 
could get to, that is, seals like the front pump seal, tailshaft, selector rod 
shaft, B2/K3, vacuum stuff, etc.  Not sure I would tear into the internals 
unless absolutely necessary. I’ve rebuilt domestic slushboxes, which aren’t a 
whole lot different from the Mercedes version, but only when I had all the 
tools handy.

Simple Green or any degreaser for the outside. That and a stiff bristle brush.

If you’ve never cracked open an automatic transmission I wouldn’t suggest doing 
it with this one. If it was something simple like a Powerglide or THM that’s 
one thing, but without the tools required you’ll get in over your head quickly 
and end up with a bunch of scrap aluminum. Since there’s no real way to test it 
short of reinstalling, you really don’t want to go to the effort only to have 
to yank it back out, either.

Unless the fluid that’s in it is burnt, I would just do the external stuff, 
change the fluid and filter, pop it into the car and call it good.

-D




> On Aug 26, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm getting some of the projects ahead whittled down so I am beginning to 
> think more about replacing the dead trans in the 81 240D.  I have a used 
> trans from Kaleb that is supposed to be good.  However the seals are old and 
> so are all rubber parts.  I think I should put in new seals for sure.  If it 
> were you, would you try to replace all orings, seals and other rubber parts?  
> Would you replace the clutch packs?  It probably makes sense to replace B2 
> piston and K3 spring.
> 
> Where would you source oring and clutch pack parts from? ( seals and B2/k3 
> are known)
> 
> What else is rubber besides seals and orings?
> 
> What is the best way to clean up the outside of the case before starting?
> 
> What are the pitfalls of trying to work on an auto trans without books or 
> prior training?  I've done manual trans before.
> 
> Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and driveshaft?  
> Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest that it is not easy 
> to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm thinking it will be less labor to 
> reseal the 722.3 than to try to convert to manual.
> 
> What do all y'all think?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] 722.3 trans

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If it was out of the car I would probably replace all the external stuff I 
could get to, that is, seals like the front pump seal, tailshaft, selector rod 
shaft, B2/K3, vacuum stuff, etc.  Not sure I would tear into the internals 
unless absolutely necessary. I’ve rebuilt domestic slushboxes, which aren’t a 
whole lot different from the Mercedes version, but only when I had all the 
tools handy.

Simple Green or any degreaser for the outside. That and a stiff bristle brush.

If you’ve never cracked open an automatic transmission I wouldn’t suggest doing 
it with this one. If it was something simple like a Powerglide or THM that’s 
one thing, but without the tools required you’ll get in over your head quickly 
and end up with a bunch of scrap aluminum. Since there’s no real way to test it 
short of reinstalling, you really don’t want to go to the effort only to have 
to yank it back out, either.

Unless the fluid that’s in it is burnt, I would just do the external stuff, 
change the fluid and filter, pop it into the car and call it good.

-D




> On Aug 26, 2019, at 1:15 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm getting some of the projects ahead whittled down so I am beginning to 
> think more about replacing the dead trans in the 81 240D.  I have a used 
> trans from Kaleb that is supposed to be good.  However the seals are old and 
> so are all rubber parts.  I think I should put in new seals for sure.   If it 
> were you, would you try to replace all orings, seals and other rubber parts?  
> Would you replace the clutch packs?  It probably makes sense to replace B2 
> piston and K3 spring.
> 
> Where would you source oring and clutch pack parts from? ( seals and B2/k3 
> are known)
> 
> What else is rubber besides seals and orings?
> 
> What is the best way to clean up the outside of the case before starting?
> 
> What are the pitfalls of trying to work on an auto trans without books or 
> prior training?  I've done manual trans before.
> 
> Would it be easier to install 4 speed, flywheel. pedals and driveshaft?   
> Having salvaged the petals from Mao's 240D, I can attest that it is not easy 
> to swap petals, and the clutch master.  I'm thinking it will be less labor to 
> reseal the 722.3 than to try to convert to manual.
> 
> What do all y'all think?
> 
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