Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
A good choice IMHO. I used to run them on our subarus in upstate NY. On Jul 8, 2014 11:35 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Many thanks to Larry, and to Curt, for his further suggestions. Daughter and SIL have decided to go with Michelin All Season, and they send their thanks to all of you for your very helpful and valuable information and suggestions. Gerry . On 7/8/2014 6:05 PM, LarryT wrote: I agree with Tim - I live near Richmond Va - maybe 100 miles N of Raliegh and our winters are very similar to theirs. Last winter we had several days of snow and the schools closed even before it started falling! one day they closed the next day based on the weatherman prediction - he was off by about 12 hours so the kids had a day in the sunshine - but being a weatherman is like being a baseball player - hit .333 and you're a star! Of course not the predictions are made using 6+ weather predicting programs - and they still miss it! And they want us to believe they can tell us what it's going to do in 100 years? LarryT Curt wrote: Don't get me wrong proper snow tires, even cheap ones are worth their weight in gold when you're seriously in the snow but for somebody who doesn't live in the snowbelt they're probably excessive. I remember one time when it started snowing around noon. At 2pm the state (MA) suggested companies let their employees go home and loads of people did so it was just like evening commute but slowed due to the snow. It was snowing probably an inch an hour which is pretty good and amounting faster than the plows could keep up. My 1 hour commute turned into a 4 hour slog. I had my '85 190D 5spd which had just gotten its first set of snow tires. The guys who have been to my house can tell you about the big S curve on Rt2 that climbs and leans to the left. I found myself on there with a mid '90s Tunderbird in front and a Toyota 4wd pickup beside me. The guy in the Thunderbird was having a tough time, every time he gave it some gas the back end would break free and slam into the barrier between our lane and opposing traffic. The Toyota was having an equally tough time, he'd pointed his truck up the hill and was crabbing sideways up the road. I was having no difficulty at all, I had the 190D in 2nd and was idling up the hill. Finally the Thunderbird spun out, I nudged the go-pedal and navigated around him and just behind the Toyota. As I passed him the Toyota finally lost it and slid down the hill into the Thunderbird effectively blocking the entire road. I gave the 190D a little more go, grabbed third and never saw another vehicle behind me the rest of the way home. I already knew snow tires were worth it but after that I was completely sold. Thats with the cheapest no-name brand snow tires the tire store had, I can only imagine what real good snows are like. -Curt On 7/7/2014 10:12 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
http://www.nokiantires.com/winter-tires/nokian-hakkapeliitta-r2/ Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 7, 2014, at 11:58 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
My Michelin all seasons have worked well for me for 43 years, even in the Michigan UP, and certainly very well here in NC, including Raleigh. 'Haven't had any winter/snow tires since I left Lincoln, NE, in March, 1960, during a blizzard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
In a climate like NC, I see snow tires, especially Hakkas, to be a serious waste of money. Any good quality all season radial should do. Spending the cash on snow tires would give you a marginal advantage, if that. Factor in the cost of tires, wheels, annual RR and storage and you are tossing money out the window IMHO. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:17 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Michelin all seasons have worked well for me for 43 years, even in the Michigan UP, and certainly very well here in NC, including Raleigh. 'Haven't had any winter/snow tires since I left Lincoln, NE, in March, 1960, during a blizzard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
i lived in rochester, NY for years and never had a proper snow tire, but only your typical MS tire. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: In a climate like NC, I see snow tires, especially Hakkas, to be a serious waste of money. Any good quality all season radial should do. Spending the cash on snow tires would give you a marginal advantage, if that. Factor in the cost of tires, wheels, annual RR and storage and you are tossing money out the window IMHO. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:17 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Michelin all seasons have worked well for me for 43 years, even in the Michigan UP, and certainly very well here in NC, including Raleigh. 'Haven't had any winter/snow tires since I left Lincoln, NE, in March, 1960, during a blizzard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
Same with me in Wisconsin. Never saw the reason for snow tires. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:30 AM, Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com wrote: i lived in rochester, NY for years and never had a proper snow tire, but only your typical MS tire. On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: In a climate like NC, I see snow tires, especially Hakkas, to be a serious waste of money. Any good quality all season radial should do. Spending the cash on snow tires would give you a marginal advantage, if that. Factor in the cost of tires, wheels, annual RR and storage and you are tossing money out the window IMHO. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:17 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Michelin all seasons have worked well for me for 43 years, even in the Michigan UP, and certainly very well here in NC, including Raleigh. 'Haven't had any winter/snow tires since I left Lincoln, NE, in March, 1960, during a blizzard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
Don't get me wrong proper snow tires, even cheap ones are worth their weight in gold when you're seriously in the snow but for somebody who doesn't live in the snowbelt they're probably excessive. I remember one time when it started snowing around noon. At 2pm the state (MA) suggested companies let their employees go home and loads of people did so it was just like evening commute but slowed due to the snow. It was snowing probably an inch an hour which is pretty good and amounting faster than the plows could keep up. My 1 hour commute turned into a 4 hour slog. I had my '85 190D 5spd which had just gotten its first set of snow tires. The guys who have been to my house can tell you about the big S curve on Rt2 that climbs and leans to the left. I found myself on there with a mid '90s Tunderbird in front and a Toyota 4wd pickup beside me. The guy in the Thunderbird was having a tough time, every time he gave it some gas the back end would break free and slam into the barrier between our lane and opposing traffic. The Toyota was having an equally tough time, he'd pointed his truck up the hill and was crabbing sideways up the road. I was having no difficulty at all, I had the 190D in 2nd and was idling up the hill. Finally the Thunderbird spun out, I nudged the go-pedal and navigated around him and just behind the Toyota. As I passed him the Toyota finally lost it and slid down the hill into the Thunderbird effectively blocking the entire road. I gave the 190D a little more go, grabbed third and never saw another vehicle behind me the rest of the way home. I already knew snow tires were worth it but after that I was completely sold. Thats with the cheapest no-name brand snow tires the tire store had, I can only imagine what real good snows are like. -Curt From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? My Michelin all seasons have worked well for me for 43 years, even in the Michigan UP, and certainly very well here in NC, including Raleigh. 'Haven't had any winter/snow tires since I left Lincoln, NE, in March, 1960, during a blizzard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post
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On 08/07/2014 9:27 AM, Dan Penoff wrote: In a climate like NC, I see snow tires, especially Hakkas, to be a serious waste of money. Any good quality all season radial should do. Spending the cash on snow tires would give you a marginal advantage, if that. Factor in the cost of tires, wheels, annual RR and storage and you are tossing money out the window IMHO. Dan The issue with the current crop of winter tires is not so much traction in snow but control on ice. I think, that back in the day, snow tires were about getting traction in snow. They were actually worse on ice than normal tires. The ice radials have softer compounds and more siping so the tire squirms a bit more and hangs on better. We have Goodyear winter tires for my wife's Honda Accord and she says it makes a huge difference to braking and acceleration when the roads are icy. She also says the car handles better when we switch back to the regular wheels and tires come spring. If one keeps the car for any length of time or obtains another compatible vehicle, the additional set of tires will not be an additional expense because the summer tires will last longer too. If they salt the roads when it gets icy, then it will also save the aluminum wheels if one has the winter tires mounted on a set of steel wheels. And, of course, if it prevents one accident, it will be well worth it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Amen. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 10:27 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? In a climate like NC, I see snow tires, especially Hakkas, to be a serious waste of money. Any good quality all season radial should do. Spending the cash on snow tires would give you a marginal advantage, if that. Factor in the cost of tires, wheels, annual RR and storage and you are tossing money out the window IMHO. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jul 8, 2014, at 10:17 AM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: My Michelin all seasons have worked well for me for 43 years, even in the Michigan UP, and certainly very well here in NC, including Raleigh. 'Haven't had any winter/snow tires since I left Lincoln, NE, in March, 1960, during a blizzard. Wilton - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 08, 2014 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? When is he buying these tires? Winter tires are significantly worse on dry or wet roads than summer tires. They also wear out much faster. I've run winter tires in the summer and its decidedly un-optimal. Is his Pilot AWD? I'm with the others buy the best all season tires he can get and plan on staying off the road in inclement weather. That last part, staying home, is probably the best snow driving advice anybody can give. Too many fools are buying SUVs so they can get out in the snow when they should really be staying home. -Curt From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, July 8, 2014 5:48 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Another tire string? They are worn out and his mom (my daughter) wants him to get some good winter tires since he's a Florida boy and not experienced with ice/snow driving. On 7/7/2014 11:58 PM, WILTON wrote: Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content
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Many thanks to: Curt, Dan, Dwight, Gary, Randy, Tim, Wilton, and anyone I missed. Forwarding your suggestions to daughter and SIL. Will report on what they decide. Gerry ... On 7/7/2014 10:12 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I agree with Tim - I live near Richmond Va - maybe 100 miles N of Raliegh and our winters are very similar to theirs. Last winter we had several days of snow and the schools closed even before it started falling! one day they closed the next day based on the weatherman prediction - he was off by about 12 hours so the kids had a day in the sunshine - but being a weatherman is like being a baseball player - hit .333 and you're a star! Of course not the predictions are made using 6+ weather predicting programs - and they still miss it! And they want us to believe they can tell us what it's going to do in 100 years? LarryT On 7/7/2014 10:12 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Many thanks to Larry, and to Curt, for his further suggestions. Daughter and SIL have decided to go with Michelin All Season, and they send their thanks to all of you for your very helpful and valuable information and suggestions. Gerry . On 7/8/2014 6:05 PM, LarryT wrote: I agree with Tim - I live near Richmond Va - maybe 100 miles N of Raliegh and our winters are very similar to theirs. Last winter we had several days of snow and the schools closed even before it started falling! one day they closed the next day based on the weatherman prediction - he was off by about 12 hours so the kids had a day in the sunshine - but being a weatherman is like being a baseball player - hit .333 and you're a star! Of course not the predictions are made using 6+ weather predicting programs - and they still miss it! And they want us to believe they can tell us what it's going to do in 100 years? LarryT Curt wrote: Don't get me wrong proper snow tires, even cheap ones are worth their weight in gold when you're seriously in the snow but for somebody who doesn't live in the snowbelt they're probably excessive. I remember one time when it started snowing around noon. At 2pm the state (MA) suggested companies let their employees go home and loads of people did so it was just like evening commute but slowed due to the snow. It was snowing probably an inch an hour which is pretty good and amounting faster than the plows could keep up. My 1 hour commute turned into a 4 hour slog. I had my '85 190D 5spd which had just gotten its first set of snow tires. The guys who have been to my house can tell you about the big S curve on Rt2 that climbs and leans to the left. I found myself on there with a mid '90s Tunderbird in front and a Toyota 4wd pickup beside me. The guy in the Thunderbird was having a tough time, every time he gave it some gas the back end would break free and slam into the barrier between our lane and opposing traffic. The Toyota was having an equally tough time, he'd pointed his truck up the hill and was crabbing sideways up the road. I was having no difficulty at all, I had the 190D in 2nd and was idling up the hill. Finally the Thunderbird spun out, I nudged the go-pedal and navigated around him and just behind the Toyota. As I passed him the Toyota finally lost it and slid down the hill into the Thunderbird effectively blocking the entire road. I gave the 190D a little more go, grabbed third and never saw another vehicle behind me the rest of the way home. I already knew snow tires were worth it but after that I was completely sold. Thats with the cheapest no-name brand snow tires the tire store had, I can only imagine what real good snows are like. -Curt On 7/7/2014 10:12 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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For Raleigh does he need winter tires? how sbout aggressive tread all season radials? Possibly with a M S rating? Raleigh gets very little snow. On Jul 7, 2014 10:12 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On Jul 7, 2014 10:16 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: For Raleigh does he need winter tires? how sbout aggressive tread all season radials? Possibly with a M S rating? Raleigh gets very little snow. If Raleigh, NC, Dwight is on the mark. If there is ice on the road, the city shuts down. Most snow turns to ice by the next day, and melts after two, so worst case we just lay in food for a week and we work from home. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Yes my brother lives thereit seems like winter is as Tim describes. On Jul 7, 2014 10:35 PM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jul 7, 2014 10:16 PM, Dwight Giles dwight.gi...@gmail.com wrote: For Raleigh does he need winter tires? how sbout aggressive tread all season radials? Possibly with a M S rating? Raleigh gets very little snow. If Raleigh, NC, Dwight is on the mark. If there is ice on the road, the city shuts down. Most snow turns to ice by the next day, and melts after two, so worst case we just lay in food for a week and we work from home. Best, Tim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] Another tire string?
Why? What's wrong with the tires he's using now? ;) Wilton - Original Message - From: arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2014 10:12 PM Subject: [MBZ] Another tire string? Time for another tire string? Very young grandson is working in Raleigh and needs winter tires. Can some of you folks who live in that area suggest a brand, type, etc. that would be best for a 2011 Honda Pilot? Also, I remember from several winters back that nearly everyone agreed that a certain tire made in (Sweden?), (Finland?) or another Nordic country was the absolute best snow and ice tire. It was very unusual to see nearly everyone agree on a tire discussion. Thanks, Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
