Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Peter Frederick via Mercedes
Coumadin and Xarelto have different mechanisms of action I believe, and while I don't know much about the actual condition you have, I would assume coumadin is more effective in that situation that other anti-coagulants. Same reason the blood clots that are associated with the J vaccine

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
Yes, it is MUCH more expensive.  It is about $600 for a 30 day supply.  With my insurance it was running around $180 per month. I signed up for some program from the manufacturer and was able to get it for $10 a month.  In any case, after a little google searching, Xarelto is not effective for

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
The new stuff requires much less testing, which is also expensive and profitable. It also has fewer side effects, like bleeding complications, and it is generally better at preventing most sorts of clots than warfarin. Antiphospholipid Ab syndrome is one of the few things where the new drugs have

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Clay via Mercedes
Maybe the old warfarin based stuff has a history of working, where the new stuff is a profit center? clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 6, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
Prasugrel is a platelet inhibitor. Warfarin is a vitamin K-dependent clotting factor inhibitor (II, VII, IX, X). Xarelto and other doacs inhibit specific clotting factors (eg Xa and II). All of these factors and platelets play roles in the cascade leading to blood clot formation. On Thu, May 6,

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
It's not that you don't clot, it's that clotting is reduced. I suppose different medications act differently but at least with the Prasugrel that I use I just bleed a little more when I get cut. It's not dramatic which is good because I cut myself a lot... -Curt On Thursday, May 6, 2021,

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
So if you accidentally get a cut or severe injury, you won't bleed out (if you have the antidote and a tourniquet ready). - Max Charleston SC On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That is my understanding. With the new ones

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
That is my understanding. With the new ones there is not a way to reverse it quickly, have to wait for it to wear off. With the older ones you can. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does this thinner also have the advantage of an

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Dimitri Seretakis via Mercedes
Yes and no. My father was on warfarin for a mechanical heart valve and even though he checked his INR monthly as recommended, it did not end well for him- INR grossly elevated resulting in brain stem bleed and death. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Does this thinner also have the advantage of an antidote (probably not the right word) that reverses the effect on the event of an emergency or surgery?  I think the newer medications do not enjoy this feature. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 6, 2021 9:25:55 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes : >

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
I’m going to ask the doctor why they are changing medications but I assume there would be a good reason for it. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have several work associates, and my mother-in-law is on Coumadin. It > seems like once

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Bob Rentfro via Mercedes
I have several work associates, and my mother-in-law is on Coumadin. It seems like once they get you dialed in by taking those couple of blood tests, you’re good to go. Mind the sawbones. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > >  I've

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I've been taking Prasugrel for the last 2 and a bit years. It doesn't require regular testing for which I am thankful. -Curt On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 9:25:55 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not as

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but

Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc

2021-05-06 Thread Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
Sounds like a good question for the doc --FT On 5/6/21 9:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in the first place. My primary doctor sent me to