Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
Coumadin and Xarelto have different mechanisms of action I believe, and while I don't know much about the actual condition you have, I would assume coumadin is more effective in that situation that other anti-coagulants. Same reason the blood clots that are associated with the J vaccine should not be treated with heparin, which is the normal "first line" action for clotting issues. Not sure of the mechanism of the formation of that particular type of clot, but it occurs along with suppressed platelet count, and heparin works by preventing platelet conglomeration if I remember my med tech training from forty years ago. Totally ineffective, and possibly could worsen the condition instead of treat it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes, it is MUCH more expensive. It is about $600 for a 30 day supply. With my insurance it was running around $180 per month. I signed up for some program from the manufacturer and was able to get it for $10 a month. In any case, after a little google searching, Xarelto is not effective for patients with whatever syndrome is that I have. That would explain why the doctor is switching my medication. On 5/6/2021 8:00 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: The new stuff requires much less testing, which is also expensive and profitable. It also has fewer side effects, like bleeding complications, and it is generally better at preventing most sorts of clots than warfarin. Antiphospholipid Ab syndrome is one of the few things where the new drugs have not proven categorically superior to warfarin. On Thu, May 6, 2021, 5:57 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: Maybe the old warfarin based stuff has a history of working, where the new stuff is a profit center? clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. On May 6, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication that does. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
The new stuff requires much less testing, which is also expensive and profitable. It also has fewer side effects, like bleeding complications, and it is generally better at preventing most sorts of clots than warfarin. Antiphospholipid Ab syndrome is one of the few things where the new drugs have not proven categorically superior to warfarin. On Thu, May 6, 2021, 5:57 PM Clay via Mercedes wrote: > Maybe the old warfarin based stuff has a history of working, where the new > stuff is a profit center? > > clay > > I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > > > > > On May 6, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. > They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in > the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it > out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I > evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are > moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to > get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will > ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art > blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication > that does. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Maybe the old warfarin based stuff has a history of working, where the new stuff is a profit center? clay I have no pronouns please do not refer to me. > On May 6, 2021, at 6:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. They > put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in the > first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it out. > Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I > evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are > moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to > get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will ask > but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art blood > thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication that does. > > Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Prasugrel is a platelet inhibitor. Warfarin is a vitamin K-dependent clotting factor inhibitor (II, VII, IX, X). Xarelto and other doacs inhibit specific clotting factors (eg Xa and II). All of these factors and platelets play roles in the cascade leading to blood clot formation. On Thu, May 6, 2021, 2:04 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > It's not that you don't clot, it's that clotting is reduced. I suppose > different medications act differently but at least with the Prasugrel that > I use I just bleed a little more when I get cut. It's not dramatic which is > good because I cut myself a lot... > -Curt > > On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 11:09:49 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > So if you accidentally get a cut or severe injury, you won't bleed out (if > you have the antidote and a tourniquet ready). > - > Max > Charleston SC > > > On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > That is my understanding. With the new ones there is not a way to reverse > > it quickly, have to wait for it to wear off. With the older ones you can. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On May 6, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > Does this thinner also have the advantage of an antidote (probably not > > the right word) that reverses the effect on the event of an emergency or > > surgery? I think the newer medications do not enjoy this feature. > > > > > > Max Dillon > > > Charleston SC > > > > > > > > > May 6, 2021 9:25:55 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > > > > > >> The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody > is > > not > > >> as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that > > >> Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both > > seem > > >> to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied > > but > > >> until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both > drugs > > in > > >> a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to > > be > > >> for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. > > >> > > >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood > > clots. > > >>> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this > happened > > in > > >>> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to > > figure it > > >>> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns > > out I > > >>> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. > They > > are > > >>> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require > > me to > > >>> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I > > will > > >>> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the > art > > >>> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper > medication > > >>> that does. > > >>> > > >>> Sent from my iPhone > > >>> > > >>> ___ > > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >>> > > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > >>> > > >>> > > >> ___ > > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > > >> > > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > >> > > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > ___ > > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To
Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
It's not that you don't clot, it's that clotting is reduced. I suppose different medications act differently but at least with the Prasugrel that I use I just bleed a little more when I get cut. It's not dramatic which is good because I cut myself a lot... -Curt On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 11:09:49 AM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: So if you accidentally get a cut or severe injury, you won't bleed out (if you have the antidote and a tourniquet ready). - Max Charleston SC On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That is my understanding. With the new ones there is not a way to reverse > it quickly, have to wait for it to wear off. With the older ones you can. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 6, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Does this thinner also have the advantage of an antidote (probably not > the right word) that reverses the effect on the event of an emergency or > surgery? I think the newer medications do not enjoy this feature. > > > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > > > > > May 6, 2021 9:25:55 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > > > >> The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is > not > >> as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that > >> Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both > seem > >> to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied > but > >> until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs > in > >> a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to > be > >> for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. > >> > >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood > clots. > >>> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened > in > >>> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to > figure it > >>> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns > out I > >>> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They > are > >>> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require > me to > >>> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I > will > >>> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art > >>> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication > >>> that does. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So if you accidentally get a cut or severe injury, you won't bleed out (if you have the antidote and a tourniquet ready). - Max Charleston SC On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 11:06 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > That is my understanding. With the new ones there is not a way to reverse > it quickly, have to wait for it to wear off. With the older ones you can. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On May 6, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > Does this thinner also have the advantage of an antidote (probably not > the right word) that reverses the effect on the event of an emergency or > surgery? I think the newer medications do not enjoy this feature. > > > > Max Dillon > > Charleston SC > > > > > > May 6, 2021 9:25:55 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com>: > > > >> The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is > not > >> as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that > >> Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both > seem > >> to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied > but > >> until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs > in > >> a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to > be > >> for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. > >> > >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood > clots. > >>> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened > in > >>> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to > figure it > >>> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns > out I > >>> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They > are > >>> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require > me to > >>> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I > will > >>> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art > >>> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication > >>> that does. > >>> > >>> Sent from my iPhone > >>> > >>> ___ > >>> http://www.okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >>> > >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >>> > >>> > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is my understanding. With the new ones there is not a way to reverse it quickly, have to wait for it to wear off. With the older ones you can. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 8:56 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes > wrote: > > Does this thinner also have the advantage of an antidote (probably not the > right word) that reverses the effect on the event of an emergency or surgery? > I think the newer medications do not enjoy this feature. > > Max Dillon > Charleston SC > > > May 6, 2021 9:25:55 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes : > >> The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not >> as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that >> Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem >> to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but >> until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in >> a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be >> for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. >> >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. >>> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in >>> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it >>> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I >>> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are >>> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to >>> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will >>> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art >>> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication >>> that does. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes and no. My father was on warfarin for a mechanical heart valve and even though he checked his INR monthly as recommended, it did not end well for him- INR grossly elevated resulting in brain stem bleed and death. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 9:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have several work associates, and my mother-in-law is on Coumadin. It > seems like once they get you dialed in by taking those couple of blood tests, > you’re good to go. > Mind the sawbones. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 6, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've been taking Prasugrel for the last 2 and a bit years. It doesn't >> require regular testing for which I am thankful. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 9:25:55 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not >> as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that >> Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem >> to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but >> until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in >> a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be >> for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. >> >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. >>> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in >>> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it >>> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I >>> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are >>> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to >>> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will >>> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art >>> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication >>> that does. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Does this thinner also have the advantage of an antidote (probably not the right word) that reverses the effect on the event of an emergency or surgery? I think the newer medications do not enjoy this feature. Max Dillon Charleston SC May 6, 2021 9:25:55 AM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes : > The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not > as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that > Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem > to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but > until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in > a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be > for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. > > On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. >> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in >> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it >> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I >> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are >> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to >> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will >> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art >> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication >> that does. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I’m going to ask the doctor why they are changing medications but I assume there would be a good reason for it. Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > I have several work associates, and my mother-in-law is on Coumadin. It > seems like once they get you dialed in by taking those couple of blood tests, > you’re good to go. > Mind the sawbones. > > AZBob > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 6, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> I've been taking Prasugrel for the last 2 and a bit years. It doesn't >> require regular testing for which I am thankful. >> >> -Curt >> >> On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 9:25:55 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not >> as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that >> Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem >> to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but >> until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in >> a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be >> for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. >> >>> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. >>> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in >>> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it >>> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I >>> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are >>> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to >>> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will >>> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art >>> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication >>> that does. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
I have several work associates, and my mother-in-law is on Coumadin. It seems like once they get you dialed in by taking those couple of blood tests, you’re good to go. Mind the sawbones. AZBob Sent from my iPhone > On May 6, 2021, at 6:29 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes > wrote: > > I've been taking Prasugrel for the last 2 and a bit years. It doesn't > require regular testing for which I am thankful. > > -Curt > >On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 9:25:55 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes > wrote: > > The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not > as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that > Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem > to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but > until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in > a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be > for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. > >> On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> >> As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. >> They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in >> the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it >> out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I >> evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are >> moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to >> get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will >> ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art >> blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication >> that does. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
I've been taking Prasugrel for the last 2 and a bit years. It doesn't require regular testing for which I am thankful. -Curt On Thursday, May 6, 2021, 9:25:55 AM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote: The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. > They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in > the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it > out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I > evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are > moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to > get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will > ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art > blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication > that does. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
The evidence for the DOACs like Xarelto for antiphopholipid antibody is not as strong as the evidence for warfarin. There is some suggestion that Xarelto etc may not work as well for arterial clots, though they both seem to work OK for venous clots. Anyway it has not been super well studied but until there is a good study showing comparable efficacy with both drugs in a large number of patients, the recommendation will likely continue to be for warfarin. At least that is my understanding. On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 6:18 AM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. > They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in > the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it > out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I > evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are > moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to > get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will > ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art > blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication > that does. > > Sent from my iPhone > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Blood thinners etc
Sounds like a good question for the doc --FT On 5/6/21 9:17 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: As you may recall a while back I was in the hospital due to blood clots. They put me on Xarelto. It was still a mystery as to why this happened in the first place. My primary doctor sent me to a cancer doctor to figure it out. Went back to him for the 2nd time last week to run tests. Turns out I evidently have something called antiphospholid antibody syndrome. They are moving me from Xarelto to Coumadin for some reason which will require me to get blood tests weekly for a few weeks then monthly after. I guess I will ask but not sure why they would take me off the newer state of the art blood thinner that requires no testing to this older cheaper medication that does. Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
