Re: [MBZ] Chumpcar racing

2016-09-23 Thread Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes
A cousin races chump car fairly competitively. In fact they won at Watkins
gen a few years ago in the rain against the team of dudes from Riley (
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riley_Technologies&ved=0ahUKEwjRm-CY4KbPAhUBFWMKHb1GAbYQFghFMAo&usg=AFQjCNGXx7BE28AH2-pcQn_UTB7RYmTuYg
) (Team boompow or something) who were driving a ford probe with the top
lopped off and huge brakes. After 12 hours, the last three laps were driven
two wide by the top two teams, who were on the same lap count. Finally the
old bmw 3 series was able to pull three car lengths for the win.

It is more serious racing than lemons and less theater.

There is still a max dollar value on the original vehicle, but the theory
is that every performance enhancement beyond stock incurs a certain amount
of penalty laps for the car. So you can bring it up to stock with all oem
suspension and braking stuff, but when you put bigger brakes on or swap the
motor you get big penalties.

It has to be the best dollar value in wheel to wheel racing. Four drivers
per team with mandatory number of driver changes. Races are 8, 12, 24 or
even 36 hours long. Best tracks in the nation. Lots of semi pro people
involved.

Most of the racing, say 95% of teams, race on attrition. Time is spent
rebuilding stuff during the race after it fails. A car has to be racing for
awhile before the weak components all fail and are replaced. The top 5% of
teams are well sorted and race on speed.

There is a team racing a w126 diesel in Washington state I think. Dirty
little freaks racing I think on facebook. They stop less for fuel and are
often reliable enough to do reasonably well.

There was a power struggle for leadership of the organization and a
competing series was set up. Not sure what the latest is on that.

On Sep 23, 2016 3:45 AM, "Mitch Haley via Mercedes" 
wrote:

>
> > On September 23, 2016 at 12:14 AM clay via Mercedes <
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> > wrote:
> > Chump car seems to give the thing a value depending on all the special
> goodies
> > that would have come standard which make it a better car than a Toyota.
>
>
> I noticed that the rulebook I looked at didn't seem to differentiate
> between
> various models of the older cars. A Saab 99 had lower points than the
> heavier
> 900 with the same engine and suspension, and no mention of a 99 Turbo
> having
> higher points than a GL. 1986 190E had pretty low points, no mention of
> assigning higher points to a 2.3-16, which might have been a huge
> oversight.
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Chumpcar racing

2016-09-23 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes

> On September 23, 2016 at 12:14 AM clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> Chump car seems to give the thing a value depending on all the special goodies
> that would have come standard which make it a better car than a Toyota.


I noticed that the rulebook I looked at didn't seem to differentiate between
various models of the older cars. A Saab 99 had lower points than the heavier
900 with the same engine and suspension, and no mention of a 99 Turbo having
higher points than a GL. 1986 190E had pretty low points, no mention of
assigning higher points to a 2.3-16, which might have been a huge oversight.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Chumpcar racing

2016-09-22 Thread clay via Mercedes
points the crew decides instead of dollar value of the purchase and sale of 
unused parts from LeMons.  Same safety gear that does not count against you.

SO, if you had a w124, you could LeMons race it if you got it for $500 and any 
fixes were paid with sale of seats and other spare parts.

Chump car seems to give the thing a value depending on all the special goodies 
that would have come standard which make it a better car than a Toyota.

clay

> On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:12 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
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> I wonder how this compares with LeMons?
> http://www.chumpcar.com/
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