Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 12 Sep 2020 23:22:09 -0400 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I had builders swear on Marvin over Pella.

We put in Marvin windows when we remodeled our house in Los Alamos.

They had a unique window, which we needed to use to have equal lights in
a fire-escape window in a space narrower than needed for the two lights 
to be escape rated in a brick house.

When opened, the center vertical bar went with the left-hand light and
the entire space was open. It was also very good for ventilating the
house (we did not need and did not have air conditioning).


Craig

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:42 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > In my experience Pella are much better than Anderson.

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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I had builders swear on Marvin over Pella.

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020 at 10:42 PM Dwight Giles via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> In my experience Pella are much better than Anderson.
>
> Dwight Giles Jr.
> Wickford RI
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> > > 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which
> is
> > > ludicrous.  I was able
> > > to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> > > percent less energy-efficient,
> > > unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> > > periodically. Not even sure
> > > you can get it anymore.
> >
> > I have Pella windows, that are now about 22 years old. None have any
> > fogging or other issues, including the sliding door out the back of the
> > basement.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

In my experience Pella are much better than Anderson.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Sat, Sep 12, 2020, 10:30 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
>
> > 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> > ludicrous.  I was able
> > to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> > percent less energy-efficient,
> > unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> > periodically. Not even sure
> > you can get it anymore.
>
> I have Pella windows, that are now about 22 years old. None have any
> fogging or other issues, including the sliding door out the back of the
> basement.
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> ludicrous.  I was able
> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> percent less energy-efficient,
> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> periodically. Not even sure
> you can get it anymore.

I have Pella windows, that are now about 22 years old. None have any
fogging or other issues, including the sliding door out the back of the
basement.

Allan



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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

On Sat, September 12, 2020 9:03 pm, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
> When we built our first house down here we asked for double pane windows,
> not just for the energy savings but for noise, too. Builder wouldn't do
> it, even if we paid.

Because he was afraid of them fogging up, or other unspecified reasons?
The latter sounds like a firing offense, unless he owned the land and you
were stuck with him.

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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Clay via Mercedes]

GWN neighborhood is proximate to ANC, so lots of noise.  Homes go for the 
triple panes when the glazing fails.  Probably comparable to hurricane glass 
pricing.  Not enough window factories here, and the big brands have to come by 
barge.  Custom glass takes a few months to arrive, so they sell it to you this 
summer for install the next.

My desire is to do a custom build with all the next gen goodies in a structure 
able to operate in analog mode for when the veneer of civilization is gone.  
The best of the 21st century to operate in 19th century splendor.  

Now if I could find a goodly plot of land for a reasonable price….

NOT in GWN, but maybe proximate to hurricane country, but not in it.

clay 

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about our traditions, and about our culture, and we stop this general bout of 
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01/09/2020

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Here in FL hurricane rated windows are the big thing for replacement. They’re 
> very expensive, so builders won't use them, you’ll have to retrofit at your 
> expense.
> 
> I don’t think they’re multipane, but they could be. A neighbor just had his 
> house done, and it was close to $30k.
> 
> When we built our first house down here we asked for double pane windows, not 
> just for the energy savings but for noise, too. Builder wouldn’t do it, even 
> if we paid.
> 
> New South are the big window guys down here, although there are plenty 
> others, too.
> 
> https://newsouthwindow.com 
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
>>> seems to fog and fail very swiftly
>> 
>> 
>> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
>> ludicrous.  I was able
>> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
>> percent less energy-efficient,
>> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
>> periodically. Not even sure
>> you can get it anymore.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Clay via Mercedes]

I did a complete replace on the SEA casita over the past 20 years.  One door 
has fogged.  The GWN house has annual temperature fluctuations of 70-80*C.  A 
majority of the glazing has failed, fogging and interior frost formation in 
winter.  Laminate would reduce ambient noise from airport operations and remove 
the cataracts on the view.  Original 35 year old windows.  I expect no thermal 
upgrade, as the shack has 2x4 framing and low R pink insulation.



clay 

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01/09/2020

> On Sep 12, 2020, at 4:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
>> seems to fog and fail very swiftly
> 
> 
> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> ludicrous.  I was able
> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> percent less energy-efficient,
> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> periodically. Not even sure
> you can get it anymore.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Here in FL hurricane rated windows are the big thing for replacement. They’re 
very expensive, so builders won't use them, you’ll have to retrofit at your 
expense.

I don’t think they’re multipane, but they could be. A neighbor just had his 
house done, and it was close to $30k.

When we built our first house down here we asked for double pane windows, not 
just for the energy savings but for noise, too. Builder wouldn’t do it, even if 
we paid.

New South are the big window guys down here, although there are plenty others, 
too.

https://newsouthwindow.com 

-D


> On Sep 12, 2020, at 8:49 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
>> seems to fog and fail very swiftly
> 
> 
> 20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
> ludicrous.  I was able
> to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
> percent less energy-efficient,
> unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
> periodically. Not even sure
> you can get it anymore.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Convergence

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> I wanted to find mean time before failure, as double paned normal glass
> seems to fog and fail very swiftly


20 years, if you're lucky?  Then it's complete replacement time, which is
ludicrous.  I was able
to find Pella 2-pane NON-sealed glass for our addition.  A fractional
percent less energy-efficient,
unless you consider the energy burned to manufacture and replace it
periodically. Not even sure
you can get it anymore.

-- Jim
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