Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication
Ahhh the good old days of shooting film!! I miss my old Hasselbalds. Especially when you could still get Panatomic-X 32 ASA in 120 format.or Kodachrome!! I loved the range of Pan-XI remember it being similar to a platinum print for contrast rangevery subtlelong toe. Played around with Tech-Pan for a bit but not with good results, generally. I liked it though. I also used to mess with the infrared film..nice results. Zedic 12 yrs darkroom experience and I still smell like fixer and potassium cyanide. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication
I just picked up an Omega enlarger off our local Freecycle group. Why, I don't know, as I have no intention of doing any darkroom work. I guess I just couldn't let it go to the landfillit's sitting in my basement with a garbage bag over it to keep the dust off. Dan --- On Sun, 11/16/08, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Sunday, November 16, 2008, 4:22 AM Ahhh the good old days of shooting film!! I miss my old Hasselbalds. Especially when you could still get Panatomic-X 32 ASA in 120 format.or Kodachrome!! I loved the range of Pan-XI remember it being similar to a platinum print for contrast rangevery subtlelong toe. Played around with Tech-Pan for a bit but not with good results, generally. I liked it though. I also used to mess with the infrared film..nice results. Zedic 12 yrs darkroom experience and I still smell like fixer and potassium cyanide. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication
35mm can shoot great high resolution photos. Shoot ASA400 film with a small lens and you get the crappy 35mm images mentioned in the previous post. Shoot with a professional quality lens with plenty of light gathering ability and everything changes. All depends on lens quality, film quality and a good understanding of your media. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Weeks Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:45 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication JIm: I've shot for decades for major national magazines (Traditional Home, Country Home, Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Renovation Style, etc.) and they often ran my 35mm provia images at spread size with no complaint. In fact, I asked them if they wanted 6x6, as I had the equipment, and they said well, you could, but these are just fine. Dan On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most magazines rarely wanted something as crappy as 35mm images to begin with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication
Standard high quality magazine printing is 150 lines per inch in four color -- super high resolution isn't necessary. However, a decent drum scanner IS if you want adequate density range to get good reproduction. Lets see, 150 lpi times 10 inches is 1500 pixels, and 35mm film is just about 1 inch tall and 1.5 inches wide. Even my cheapo Scan Dual can do better than that for resolution, and it's nowhere near the limit of the film. Now, if you want super resolution in the PRINT, use contact printed 11x14 film. Peter On Nov 15, 2008, at 8:44 AM, Dan Weeks wrote: JIm: I've shot for decades for major national magazines (Traditional Home, Country Home, Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Renovation Style, etc.) and they often ran my 35mm provia images at spread size with no complaint. In fact, I asked them if they wanted 6x6, as I had the equipment, and they said well, you could, but these are just fine. Dan On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most magazines rarely wanted something as crappy as 35mm images to begin with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some of the most stunning photos I've seen in magazines are shot on 35mm Kodachrome (what speed is that, about ASA 25?) With the migration to digital and the exceeding demands of Kodachrome processing, it's all but gone. I think I recall reading that there is only ONE processor in the United States that will still develop it, and the film itself is no longer produced, there's only old inventory that people are hoarding in freezers. Allan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 35mm can shoot great high resolution photos. Shoot ASA400 film with a small lens and you get the crappy 35mm images mentioned in the previous post. Shoot with a professional quality lens with plenty of light gathering ability and everything changes. All depends on lens quality, film quality and a good understanding of your media. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Weeks Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:45 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication JIm: I've shot for decades for major national magazines (Traditional Home, Country Home, Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Renovation Style, etc.) and they often ran my 35mm provia images at spread size with no complaint. In fact, I asked them if they wanted 6x6, as I had the equipment, and they said well, you could, but these are just fine. Dan On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most magazines rarely wanted something as crappy as 35mm images to begin with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Allan Streib wrote: Some of the most stunning photos I've seen in magazines are shot on 35mm Kodachrome (what speed is that, about ASA 25?) With the migration to digital and the exceeding demands of Kodachrome processing, it's all but gone. I think I recall reading that there is only ONE processor in the United States that will still develop it, and the film itself is no longer produced, there's only old inventory that people are hoarding in freezers. Seems like the Kodachrome slide film used to be ASA 64. You know what Paul Simon would say about that... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujhdf9_IO4w ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, the Kodachrome 25 was great stuff (also available in iso 64 and for a brief time, 200) -- resolution is greater than 100 lines per mm (about 15,000 pixels per inch), but processing was (is) a nightmare. Lasts forever, too -- I'm in the slow process of scanning in all my mother's photographs, starting in the 1930s, and the Kodachromes from the late 40's are in perfect shape for the most part. Badly underexposed ones have faded badly in the shadows for some reason, and the film base on the 828 slides is going bad, but the 35mm is perfect. Modern innovations are not always an improvement, I don't think. Not always cheaper, either! Peter On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:05 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Some of the most stunning photos I've seen in magazines are shot on 35mm Kodachrome (what speed is that, about ASA 25?) With the migration to digital and the exceeding demands of Kodachrome processing, it's all but gone. I think I recall reading that there is only ONE processor in the United States that will still develop it, and the film itself is no longer produced, there's only old inventory that people are hoarding in freezers. Allan Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 35mm can shoot great high resolution photos. Shoot ASA400 film with a small lens and you get the crappy 35mm images mentioned in the previous post. Shoot with a professional quality lens with plenty of light gathering ability and everything changes. All depends on lens quality, film quality and a good understanding of your media. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:mercedes- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Weeks Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:45 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication JIm: I've shot for decades for major national magazines (Traditional Home, Country Home, Jeep, Dodge, Chrysler, Renovation Style, etc.) and they often ran my 35mm provia images at spread size with no complaint. In fact, I asked them if they wanted 6x6, as I had the equipment, and they said well, you could, but these are just fine. Dan On Nov 14, 2008, at 9:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: most magazines rarely wanted something as crappy as 35mm images to begin with. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some of the most stunning photos I've seen in magazines are shot on 35mm Kodachrome (what speed is that, about ASA 25?) K2 was 25 nominally. You could get it in 64 and 200, and the photoflood stuff was 40. (I think K1 was around 12 or so, which is what your older images would have been. You could get K in medium format for awhile, somewhere I have a roll.) It truly could do an impressive job. My favorite stuff was John Shaw's work. Try as I might, I could never get anything like what he got. He used Nikon gear, my Canon was supposed to be nearly as good, but I think his favorite 105mm macro Nikkor kicked the cookies out of Canon's equivalent. OTOH, supposedly the two best 300mm lenses ever made were both Canon's, and I have one of them. (The cheaper one, at f/4.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That MicroNikkor is a great lens, but the mid 70's Vivitar Series 1 90 mm is better, at all aperatures and distances. Not a cheap lens, though! List was $349 or so in 1978. Kodachrome was available in 16mm initially (1934, I think), then medium format (120), sheet of all sizes, and 35mm (1936 or so). The initial version was not anything like the later ones, is quite rare now, and fades horribly. You can only get really good 35mm images by using a weighted tripod with a large, heavy head, and a camera that does not produce significant shutter vibration. Otherwise, camera movement will significantly degrade the image. I found this out while playing with some Technical Pan film for pictoral work. Hard to believe you can reproduce such tiny detail if you are VERY careful. I've got a picture of the lake on campus at SIU, and with a grain magnifier you can read the labels on the discarded soda cans on the shoreline I know there are digital cameras with this kind of resolution, but I think they are about the size of a bus these days, and fly around in orbit spying on us. Peter On Nov 15, 2008, at 11:26 AM, Jim Cathey wrote: Some of the most stunning photos I've seen in magazines are shot on 35mm Kodachrome (what speed is that, about ASA 25?) K2 was 25 nominally. You could get it in 64 and 200, and the photoflood stuff was 40. (I think K1 was around 12 or so, which is what your older images would have been. You could get K in medium format for awhile, somewhere I have a roll.) It truly could do an impressive job. My favorite stuff was John Shaw's work. Try as I might, I could never get anything like what he got. He used Nikon gear, my Canon was supposed to be nearly as good, but I think his favorite 105mm macro Nikkor kicked the cookies out of Canon's equivalent. OTOH, supposedly the two best 300mm lenses ever made were both Canon's, and I have one of them. (The cheaper one, at f/4.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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LPI and pixels don't match up very well - for one thing, lpi is line pairs per inch. A rough equivalent is to double the pixels to equal lpi. I read an article on the details years ago, but have forgotten most of them. The lines are alternating black and white - one b/w pair counts as one 'line' in the lpi calculation. Each one would be a pixel in the digital world, a black pixel with a white one beside it. Most film scanners do fine for resolution, but fall down in dynamic range, or contrast range. Don't know how you rate mtf to scanning, just barely recall how it relates to lenses. Absolutely - my best prints are contact prints from 8x10 film. Even the OLD lenses look great. Paper becomes the limiting factor (and our eyes). I think good paper only resolves around 20 lpi. Think about enlarging that 35mm negative - if it starts at 100 lpi, and you enlarge it 10X - abut an 11x14, you only have 10 lpi at the paper, IF your enlarging lens is perfect (doesn't exist). On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Standard high quality magazine printing is 150 lines per inch in four color -- super high resolution isn't necessary. However, a decent drum scanner IS if you want adequate density range to get good reproduction. Lets see, 150 lpi times 10 inches is 1500 pixels, and 35mm film is just about 1 inch tall and 1.5 inches wide. Even my cheapo Scan Dual can do better than that for resolution, and it's nowhere near the limit of the film. Now, if you want super resolution in the PRINT, use contact printed 11x14 film. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication
I loved Tech Pan - started using it when it was a special order item and only had a number - pre-name. We used it for BW aerial photography - used M Leicas and 50mm Summicron lens. The red bias of Tech Pan coupled with the extremely high resolution and extremely fine grain menat that your ability to hold tha camera steady was the limiting factor. We good some very good 16x20 prints from it. (Also a lot of blurry useless negatives). I never had as good results with the 120 TP as I did with the 35mm - it was a slightly different emulsion, but didn't get a good tonal range, nor the sharpness that we did with the Leica/TP combination. Someone has done some work with a flatbed scanner attached to the back of a view camera - can only be used on stationary subjects, but captured a LOT of pixels --- took some driver hacking to get it to work - beyond my skills. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That MicroNikkor is a great lens, but the mid 70's Vivitar Series 1 90 mm is better, at all aperatures and distances. Not a cheap lens, though! List was $349 or so in 1978. Kodachrome was available in 16mm initially (1934, I think), then medium format (120), sheet of all sizes, and 35mm (1936 or so). The initial version was not anything like the later ones, is quite rare now, and fades horribly. You can only get really good 35mm images by using a weighted tripod with a large, heavy head, and a camera that does not produce significant shutter vibration. Otherwise, camera movement will significantly degrade the image. I found this out while playing with some Technical Pan film for pictoral work. Hard to believe you can reproduce such tiny detail if you are VERY careful. I've got a picture of the lake on campus at SIU, and with a grain magnifier you can read the labels on the discarded soda cans on the shoreline I know there are digital cameras with this kind of resolution, but I think they are about the size of a bus these days, and fly around in orbit spying on us. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Since someone mentioned LPI pixels per inch, another thing to consider when comparing film ( paper) to digital is that neither film nor photo paper have lines or pixels. Film and photo paper are not composed of evenly ordered lines and pixels. They have a grain size and even the grain is not even. And because of the technology differences, even today's best digital cameras don't have the information storage ability that a typical 35 mm film has. Go to a photo shop and ask to look at some 35 mm negatives on a light box with an eye loop. You'll see detail in the image that no digital camera will pick-up, at least not yet. You can not do the same comparison with a modern print made from a negative because the image is digitized then printed. In other words, some of the crappy 35 mm images commented earlier may be the photo processor's fault. I shot some BW 35 mm photos last month, had them processed at Wally-World the prints were horrible. The issue was their processor - the negatives are much sharper less grainy. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 4:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication LPI and pixels don't match up very well - for one thing, lpi is line pairs per inch. A rough equivalent is to double the pixels to equal lpi. I read an article on the details years ago, but have forgotten most of them. The lines are alternating black and white - one b/w pair counts as one 'line' in the lpi calculation. Each one would be a pixel in the digital world, a black pixel with a white one beside it. Most film scanners do fine for resolution, but fall down in dynamic range, or contrast range. Don't know how you rate mtf to scanning, just barely recall how it relates to lenses. Absolutely - my best prints are contact prints from 8x10 film. Even the OLD lenses look great. Paper becomes the limiting factor (and our eyes). I think good paper only resolves around 20 lpi. Think about enlarging that 35mm negative - if it starts at 100 lpi, and you enlarge it 10X - abut an 11x14, you only have 10 lpi at the paper, IF your enlarging lens is perfect (doesn't exist). On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Standard high quality magazine printing is 150 lines per inch in four color -- super high resolution isn't necessary. However, a decent drum scanner IS if you want adequate density range to get good reproduction. Lets see, 150 lpi times 10 inches is 1500 pixels, and 35mm film is just about 1 inch tall and 1.5 inches wide. Even my cheapo Scan Dual can do better than that for resolution, and it's nowhere near the limit of the film. Now, if you want super resolution in the PRINT, use contact printed 11x14 film. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.4/1789 - Release Date: 11/14/2008 7:32 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Film Resolution Publication
120 film suffers badly from lack of film plane flatness -- it's thin film rolled into a tight spool, then unwound intermittantly and stretched across a 6 cm square hole very slightly looser than the paper backing. Not an ideal situation, and the older the film, the worse the problem. Just for fun, put a roll of bad film into a 120 camera sometime and remove the lens and open the shutter. You can see the lack of flatness Peter On Nov 15, 2008, at 4:06 PM, OK Don wrote: I loved Tech Pan - started using it when it was a special order item and only had a number - pre-name. We used it for BW aerial photography - used M Leicas and 50mm Summicron lens. The red bias of Tech Pan coupled with the extremely high resolution and extremely fine grain menat that your ability to hold tha camera steady was the limiting factor. We good some very good 16x20 prints from it. (Also a lot of blurry useless negatives). I never had as good results with the 120 TP as I did with the 35mm - it was a slightly different emulsion, but didn't get a good tonal range, nor the sharpness that we did with the Leica/TP combination. Someone has done some work with a flatbed scanner attached to the back of a view camera - can only be used on stationary subjects, but captured a LOT of pixels --- took some driver hacking to get it to work - beyond my skills. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 11:36 AM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That MicroNikkor is a great lens, but the mid 70's Vivitar Series 1 90 mm is better, at all aperatures and distances. Not a cheap lens, though! List was $349 or so in 1978. Kodachrome was available in 16mm initially (1934, I think), then medium format (120), sheet of all sizes, and 35mm (1936 or so). The initial version was not anything like the later ones, is quite rare now, and fades horribly. You can only get really good 35mm images by using a weighted tripod with a large, heavy head, and a camera that does not produce significant shutter vibration. Otherwise, camera movement will significantly degrade the image. I found this out while playing with some Technical Pan film for pictoral work. Hard to believe you can reproduce such tiny detail if you are VERY careful. I've got a picture of the lake on campus at SIU, and with a grain magnifier you can read the labels on the discarded soda cans on the shoreline I know there are digital cameras with this kind of resolution, but I think they are about the size of a bus these days, and fly around in orbit spying on us. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very true - the reverse winding of the film in the Hassy mag was supposed to help with film curl. The Tech Pan is on a thinner base than most film - making the situation worse. Somehow the Leicas handled it very well. Definitely better than the Canon F1 and Nikon F3. On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 4:57 PM, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 120 film suffers badly from lack of film plane flatness -- it's thin film rolled into a tight spool, then unwound intermittantly and stretched across a 6 cm square hole very slightly looser than the paper backing. Not an ideal situation, and the older the film, the worse the problem. Just for fun, put a roll of bad film into a 120 camera sometime and remove the lens and open the shutter. You can see the lack of flatness -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games. - Ernest Hemingway '90 300D (Rattled), '92 300D (Saber), ''97 Ply Grand Voyager (Vincent van-go) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
