Re: [MBZ] MELT?
On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:17:31 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple years ago Dad and I setup a bottle jack pushing down on a piston (with a chain around the block so it could push down). I think this would be more effective with 4 jacks. Unless you're thinking of two jacks per cylinder, you only need two jacks. On a four-cylinder, two pistons go up when the other two go down. Craig
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Uhh, 4 jacks, 2 going down and 2 going up... -Curt Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 21:56:52 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 6 Mar 2006 08:17:31 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple years ago Dad and I setup a bottle jack pushing down on a piston (with a chain around the block so it could push down). I think this would be more effective with 4 jacks. Unless you're thinking of two jacks per cylinder, you only need two jacks. On a four-cylinder, two pistons go up when the other two go down. Craig - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Mar 07 22:25:00 2006 Received: from pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([207.69.195.67]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGkc0-0005Im-0y for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:25:00 + Received: from user-1120n60.dsl.mindspring.com ([66.32.92.192] helo=Bill) by pop-tawny.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #10) id 1FGkby-00052b-00 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 07 Mar 2006 17:24:58 -0500 From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2006 17:24:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcZCNejCteyARDPrQmOYtehTjoA49w== Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: [MBZ] MB vs. Sonata X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:25:00 - Andrew - Have to add my bit - I drive my 1981 300SD at 80 MPH frequently on I95 [slower is often dangerous]. It is rock solid and responsive. I would rather drive it that way than my wife's Infinity, which she [unfortunately] usually drives 10 - 15 MPH faster [never a ticket, she has some odd internal radar detector that has never failed] The Infinity will definitely handle those speeds easily, and could certainly out run my SD, but we both think the SD rides better. Guess you suspected to get a bit of dander up from this list with that comparison, though. BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD 'EM' 272k miles
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On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:50:11 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sort of half planning this summer to run a bead of weld across each one and whack it with a chisel so they shatter. The tractor sat for 40 years after all... Why would you want to do that instead of try to get it to run again? Jim Cathey's generator experience should show you the possibilities. Craig
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Curt Raymond wrote: I have a '28 Farmall Regular which has steel pistons. If I can ever get the dammed things out I'll take a picture. Do you remember the way Jim Cathey removed the pistons from that rusty Hercules generator?
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I have a '28 Farmall Regular which has steel pistons. If I can ever get the dammed things out I'll take a picture. Do you remember the way Jim Cathey removed the pistons from that rusty Hercules generator? But they were aluminum pistons, and were untouched by the corrosion. So I was ahead by half right there. Electrolysis would be an easy thing to try first, it's nearly free and only takes a little bit of time and electricity. -- Jim
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I intend to get it to run again, it was my great-grandfathers... However I intend to get it to run again with new pistons. These have sat in the exact same place for something like 40 years. I expect thats longer than Jim's generator has existed... I've tried better living through chemistry and time for nearly 5 years now. I've used used motor oil, marvel oil, PB Blaster, gun scrubber, Coca Cola, kerosene and lately WD-40 because its cheap in gallon jugs. Nothing has enabled the pistons to move one little bit. The next two attempts involve getting an oxy acetalyne torch and/or putting diesel in the cylinders and setting it on fire. If heat doesn't help I'll weld (to harden) the pistons and break 'em. Replacement pistons are well over $100 apiece but I'd like to rebuild the engine during my lifetime... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:11:20 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:50:11 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sort of half planning this summer to run a bead of weld across each one and whack it with a chisel so they shatter. The tractor sat for 40 years after all... Why would you want to do that instead of try to get it to run again? Jim Cathey's generator experience should show you the possibilities. Craig __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 06 15:53:19 2006 Received: from web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.37]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGI1P-0007Bf-JA for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:53:19 + Received: (qmail 74620 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Mar 2006 15:53:15 - DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cdmT+XJghegr8hGis+0Gl5BQqbC7Jldrv4IFIWGaQpURa0ZbZ9K0DovcHoa1G0zdz0b/12BKL71HUoIp8wJb3q/s73LGYm1xZwWyLffhGbdz8T6H6BkMA3rkYFle7goX70BskC4u/9rlFrhAuC2SsSDkNx7ha7Es5SLKISffj58= ; Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32807.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 07:53:15 PST Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 07:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:53:19 - I just remembered you have a crane to help move the block around with too. I have no idea how heavy the block is on the tractor but it was everything 3 of us could handle to take the head off. That bugger must weigh 200# by itself... 4 cylinder cast iron engine. 12hp IIRC. -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:36:07 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I have a '28 Farmall Regular which has steel pistons. If I can ever get the dammed things out I'll take a picture. Do you remember the way Jim Cathey removed the pistons from that rusty Hercules generator? But they were aluminum pistons, and were untouched by the corrosion. So I was ahead by half right there. Electrolysis would be an easy thing to try first, it's nearly free and only takes a little bit of time and electricity. -- Jim - Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 06 15:53:45 2006 Received: from smtp2.williams.com ([151.142.221.60]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGI1p-0007Cv-14 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 15:53:45 + Received: from unknown (HELO wmshoubh01.WILLIAMS.COM) ([172.31.6.11]) by smtp2.williams.com with ESMTP; 06 Mar 2006 09:53:41 -0600 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AQAAA+k= X-IronPort
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I'm getting in on this thread way late, but you think this might work? I have no idea... http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm Bob Rentfro - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? I intend to get it to run again, it was my great-grandfathers... However I intend to get it to run again with new pistons. These have sat in the exact same place for something like 40 years. I expect thats longer than Jim's generator has existed... I've tried better living through chemistry and time for nearly 5 years now. I've used used motor oil, marvel oil, PB Blaster, gun scrubber, Coca Cola, kerosene and lately WD-40 because its cheap in gallon jugs. Nothing has enabled the pistons to move one little bit. The next two attempts involve getting an oxy acetalyne torch and/or putting diesel in the cylinders and setting it on fire. If heat doesn't help I'll weld (to harden) the pistons and break 'em. Replacement pistons are well over $100 apiece but I'd like to rebuild the engine during my lifetime... -Curt Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2006 19:11:20 -0700 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 5 Mar 2006 17:50:11 -0800 (PST) Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sort of half planning this summer to run a bead of weld across each one and whack it with a chisel so they shatter. The tractor sat for 40 years after all... Why would you want to do that instead of try to get it to run again? Jim Cathey's generator experience should show you the possibilities. Craig __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Actually I have and its one reason I've held off on the rr on the head. It is a good way to break rods though so I'm thinking to try heat first. Also thinking the next time a tool show comes to town I'll pick up 3 more 5 ton bottle jacks, they're handy to have around anyway. A couple years ago Dad and I setup a bottle jack pushing down on a piston (with a chain around the block so it could push down). I think this would be more effective with 4 jacks. Plus heat, plus more magic stuff in the cylinders. Its gonna be a group effort. The worst thing is that the tractor is at my parents house in Maine, thats 180 odd miles from where I live. I really need to take a week off from work and just set my mind to the task. -Curt Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:54:02 -0600 From: Potter, Tom E [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Have you tried injecting grease into the cylinder through the spark plug hole using a high-pressure grease gun (The air-driven ones put out about 10,000 psig pressure.) I have heard (and seen pictures) of this method used on old engines. You will have to make an adapter to get the zerk fitting/spark plug connection. Tom Potter - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 06 16:19:50 2006 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGIR3-0001ds-RP for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:19:49 + Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id 5.266.6e0c160 (58677) for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:19:40 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 11:19:39 EST To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5301 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.6 Subject: Re: [MBZ] sacrilege i know ... X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 16:19:50 - NO thats is the 750il AND yeah they are a nightmare i am mulling over a 740 V8 collins phila 1985 500 sec In a message dated 3/6/2006 10:58:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Isn't that the 12cyl maintenance and repair nightmare? Actually I'll admit I was gazing upon a BMW today. Musta been a quite new one, cherry red, pretty lady driving it. Then I pressed on the go pedal and took off (190D remember). Why do people have performance cars and drive like weenies? -Curt
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However I intend to get it to run again with new pistons. These have sat in the exact same place for something like 40 years. I expect thats longer than Jim's generator has existed... The Kohler is about 1965 vintage. So there! I've tried better living through chemistry and time for nearly 5 years now. I've used used motor oil, marvel oil, PB Blaster, gun scrubber, Coca Cola, kerosene and lately WD-40 because its cheap in gallon jugs. Nothing has enabled the pistons to move one little bit. Kano Kroil is what my engine shop recommends as the best bug juice out there for loosening rusted engines. PB would be my next choice down (I have both). The electrolysis trick is so easy to do it would be worth an attempt. Really. -- Jim
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Actually I have and its one reason I've held off on the rr on the head. It is a good way to break rods though so I'm thinking to try heat first. You don't do it with the rod connected, or at least not with it near TDC or BDC. The worst thing is that the tractor is at my parents house in Maine, thats 180 odd miles from where I live. Bring it home? -- Jim
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I'm getting in on this thread way late, but you think this might work? I have no idea... http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/andyspatch/rust.htm That _is_ the trick. Yeah, it works. Not so great when the rust is trapped inside, like between a cylinder wall and a piston, but still... -- Jim
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To my 3rd floor walkup 1 bedroom apartment? I wonder if I could convince the apartment complex it was yard art? Actually went mortgage pre-approval shopping the other day so this probably won't be a big problem for alot longer. -Curt Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 09:31:23 -0800 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Actually I have and its one reason I've held off on the rr on the head. It is a good way to break rods though so I'm thinking to try heat first. You don't do it with the rod connected, or at least not with it near TDC or BDC. The worst thing is that the tractor is at my parents house in Maine, thats 180 odd miles from where I live. Bring it home? -- Jim - Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mon Mar 06 18:58:17 2006 Received: from smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com ([68.142.229.98]) by server5.arterytc5.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FGKuO-0001v0-W1 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:58:17 + Received: (qmail 54667 invoked from network); 6 Mar 2006 18:58:12 - Received: from unknown (HELO ?4.156.42.128?) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]@4.156.42.128 with plain) by smtp107.sbc.mail.re2.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Mar 2006 18:58:11 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 14:04:26 -0500 From: Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Mar 2006 18:58:17 - If I recall my chemistry correctly, you want some liquid which is acidic in nature a Ph of 7 or much less is better. This will dissolve the metal/rust etc.. Hopefully, the rings causing the problem will dissolve before the other metals Cheap white vinegar, maybe drain o, lime, etc dissolves metals/rust. Ask someone in a hardware store, they might know a better solution It must sit for a couple of days for the chemical reaction to work, and maybe you will have to repeat the process. Any oil is not acidic. Air pressure sounds good also, keep in mind the high pressure cuz of flying parts can injure/kill... Bill 1981 300 TD Jim Cathey wrote: However I intend to get it to run again with new pistons. These have sat in the exact same place for something like 40 years. I expect thats longer than Jim's generator has existed... The Kohler is about 1965 vintage. So there! I've tried better living through chemistry and time for nearly 5 years now. I've used used motor oil, marvel oil, PB Blaster, gun scrubber, Coca Cola, kerosene and lately WD-40 because its cheap in gallon jugs. Nothing has enabled the pistons to move one little bit. Kano Kroil is what my engine shop recommends as the best bug juice out there for loosening rusted engines. PB would be my next choice down (I have both). The electrolysis trick is so easy to do it would be worth an attempt. Really. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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How about CLR - Calcium, Lime, and Rust remover. If I recall my chemistry correctly, you want some liquid which is acidic in nature a Ph of 7 or much less is better. This will dissolve the metal/rust etc.. Hopefully, the rings causing the problem will dissolve before the other metals Cheap white vinegar, maybe drain o, lime, etc dissolves metals/rust. Ask someone in a hardware store, they might know a better solution It must sit for a couple of days for the chemical reaction to work, and maybe you will have to repeat the process. Any oil is not acidic.
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Al has a melting point of about 1220F .. Bill 1981 300 TD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you recall the material used to make the engine block??? Audi made a diesel engine at the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans. The new Audi R10 is powered by a completely new 5.5-litre, twelve-cylinder bi-turbo TDI engine which is extremely economical and quiet. Believe it or not made Made from aluminum If made with a lot of AL, watch it melt away because of the low melting point of AL . I can't figure out if this is a serious post or not. RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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Bill Gallagher wrote: Al has a melting point of about 1220F .. Isn't the melting point of some alloys higher? There are certainly a lot of engines, both diesel and gasoline, running around with aluminum heads that haven't melted down.
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I don't know about alloys, but I think the melting point will be much higher i.e. Al pistons. Al is good transfer of heat/cold Land Rover have Al body but the engine firewall is made out of steel to protect from fire ... Next time in a junk yard, look at the melted/deformed Al parts of a car in a fire..of course, water cools the heads and others, but a car fire, nothing to cool the part, will melt/deform under the high heat Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: Bill Gallagher wrote: Al has a melting point of about 1220F .. Isn't the melting point of some alloys higher? There are certainly a lot of engines, both diesel and gasoline, running around with aluminum heads that haven't melted down. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
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I don't think the problem will be melting, rather can it handle the stresses of an engine that produces 650HP and 811 lb.ft. of torque -- The new Mercedes V8's are Al blocks, and the AMG versions produce some seriuos power also - so it comes down to engineering --- On 3/4/06, Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know about alloys, but I think the melting point will be much higher i.e. Al pistons. Al is good transfer of heat/cold Land Rover have Al body but the engine firewall is made out of steel to protect from fire ... Next time in a junk yard, look at the melted/deformed Al parts of a car in a fire..of course, water cools the heads and others, but a car fire, nothing to cool the part, will melt/deform under the high heat Bill 1981 300 TD -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
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Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. V8. They would take some heat, wouldn't they? Brian From: Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:03:30 -0500 I don't know about alloys, but I think the melting point will be much higher i.e. Al pistons. Al is good transfer of heat/cold Land Rover have Al body but the engine firewall is made out of steel to protect from fire ... Next time in a junk yard, look at the melted/deformed Al parts of a car in a fire..of course, water cools the heads and others, but a car fire, nothing to cool the part, will melt/deform under the high heat Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: Bill Gallagher wrote: Al has a melting point of about 1220F .. Isn't the melting point of some alloys higher? There are certainly a lot of engines, both diesel and gasoline, running around with aluminum heads that haven't melted down. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/
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Although I'm sure that they exist, I've never seen a piston that wasn't aluminum --- On 3/4/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. V8. They would take some heat, wouldn't they? Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
You have partially revealed my ignorance. Easy to do. Brian From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2006 20:48:13 -0600 Although I'm sure that they exist, I've never seen a piston that wasn't aluminum --- On 3/4/06, Brian Chase [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. V8. They would take some heat, wouldn't they? Brian -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
Don't you recall pistons melting... too hot of a plug/timing advanced too much ? For whatever the reason? Just wanted to point out the disadvantage of AL It will deform/melt under some situation: Should have fire insurance on a car which I would never of though a couple of years ago Bill 1981 300 TD Brian Chase wrote: Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. V8. They would take some heat, wouldn't they? Brian From: Bill Gallagher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] MELT? Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2006 21:03:30 -0500 I don't know about alloys, but I think the melting point will be much higher i.e. Al pistons. Al is good transfer of heat/cold Land Rover have Al body but the engine firewall is made out of steel to protect from fire ... Next time in a junk yard, look at the melted/deformed Al parts of a car in a fire..of course, water cools the heads and others, but a car fire, nothing to cool the part, will melt/deform under the high heat Bill 1981 300 TD David Brodbeck wrote: Bill Gallagher wrote: Al has a melting point of about 1220F .. Isn't the melting point of some alloys higher? There are certainly a lot of engines, both diesel and gasoline, running around with aluminum heads that haven't melted down. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
On Mar 4, 2006, at 6:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't figure out if this is a serious post or not. RLE I wasn't too sure of that one either. How often does your Porsche require replacing due to melting? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:03 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: Next time in a junk yard, look at the melted/deformed Al parts of a car in a fire..of course, water cools the heads and others, but a car fire, nothing to cool the part, will melt/deform under the high heat Bill Magnesium is another story. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
On Mar 4, 2006, at 9:44 PM, Brian Chase wrote: Since aluminum is the topic of the moment, I do believe I had some TRW forged aluminum pistons installed as part of the rebuild of my 440 c.i. V8. They would take some heat, wouldn't they? Brian They better hold up, what other affordable material would you make pistons from? I can't believe this thread has gone this far. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
On Mar 4, 2006, at 10:38 PM, Bill Gallagher wrote: Don't you recall pistons melting... too hot of a plug/timing advanced too much ? For whatever the reason? Just wanted to point out the disadvantage of AL It will deform/ melt under some situation: Should have fire insurance on a car which I would never of though a couple of years ago Bill Are you guys really serious? Yeah pistons can burn through but they generally don't. It takes something going wrong for that to happen, and it is highly unlikely that your car will burn if you hole a piston. Frying pans are made of aluminum too. Will you worry about your house catching fire as a result of using aluminum cookware? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
John Berryman wrote: Magnesium is another story. VW Beetles used magnesium alloy crankcases and transmission housings. (Some of these were later switched to aluminum for strength reasons -- magnesium is light, but also soft.) If an engine fire really gets going I'm told it can be quite a show. I've seen a few pictures of burned Beetles where there was very little left. The gas tank on a Beetle will gravity-feed if it's over half full, further improving the chances of a big conflagration.
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
Do you recall the material used to make the engine block??? Audi made a diesel engine at the famous 24 Hours of Le Mans. The new Audi R10 is powered by a completely new 5.5-litre, twelve-cylinder bi-turbo TDI engine which is extremely economical and quiet. Believe it or not made Made from aluminum If made with a lot of AL, watch it melt away because of the low melting point of AL . I can't figure out if this is a serious post or not. RLE
Re: [MBZ] MELT?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't figure out if this is a serious post or not. Yeah, an aluminum block will melt slower than aluminum pistons and heads. It may very well suffer from stress fractures before it hits 500,000 miles of normal driving, but in racing applications engines are consumables.
