Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Well, the point was to reduce fuel consumption, and lower speed does indeed do 
that EXCEPT in some trucks with engine like screaming Jimmies where the RPM 
doesn’t match up well.

Gotta remember that 70 mph speed limits were actually a fairly new thing in 
1973, most two lanes were 65 or less (in most states the non-highway roads are 
45).

Greatly reduced the fatality rate too, which has been climbing again, and is 
getting as bad as it was per mile in the 1970 even with much, much safer cars.

The problem with raising speed limits is that increases result in exponential 
increases in actual vehicle speed.  Go from 55 to 60 and the average speed goes 
to 65-70, raise it to 70 and the average speed goes to 85.  raise the limit to 
75 and the average speed goes up to 90, with drivers weaving in and out at much 
higher speeds.  Gotta be safe to drive 120 if the posted limit is 70, right?


> On May 26, 2023, at 4:05 PM, Michael Esh via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Yes. 
> 
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
>> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
>> to point, it was a total failure.
>> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
>> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
>> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
>> Yawnnn..
>> 
>> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
 Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>>> 
>>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>>> frustrating for the parental units...
>>> 
>>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

I was not onld enough to really be paying attention to the justifications at 
the time of the change, but what I do recall was 55MPH being about saving fuel 
due to supply limits, not for environmental reasons. Those were also the days 
where we wore coats in class during the winter because the schools kept the 
heat turned down, and they had half the lights shut off, etc.


On Fri, May 26, 2023, at 15:48, G Mann via Mercedes wrote:
> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
> to point, it was a total failure.
> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
> Yawnnn..
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> > Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>>
>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>> frustrating for the parental units...
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Ironically, my 2014 Bluetec GLK 250 diesel has optimal fuel economy between
60 and 70 mph

On Fri, May 26, 2023, 5:06 PM Michael Esh via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yes.
>
>
> > On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
> > western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from
> point
> > to point, it was a total failure.
> > Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
> > took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
> > But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
> > Yawnnn..
> >
> > On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
> >>
> >> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> >> frustrating for the parental units...
> >>
> >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Michael Esh via Mercedes]

Yes. 


> On May 26, 2023, at 4:49 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
> western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
> to point, it was a total failure.
> Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
> took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
> But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
> Yawnnn..
> 
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>> 
>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>> frustrating for the parental units...
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

My former 1964 Fleetwood 60 Special with a 390 and a THM “Jetaway 200” would 
get in the mid to upper teens if you drove like an egg was under your foot. 
Stomp it and just watch the gas gauge go down…

I had to chuckle! Mrs. Dan and I like to watch Perry Mason, and the other night 
I was watching this guy drive a 1960s era car off a car lot, and you could just 
see the body swaying all over the place, like it was on a cloud.

-D

> On May 26, 2023, at 4:46 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 59 Fleetwood, probably had not a 454 but a similar sized Cadillac engine 
> (Cadillac always made their own) but at least the Eldorado of the same year 
> had a triple 2 barrel carb setup.  If you could keep it tuned properly it got 
> 17-18 mpg or better on the highway and would still rocket that lead sled up 
> to terrifying speeds for the four wheel drum brakes.
> 
> Incredibly ugly cars.
> 
> A heavy foot, yeah, single digit mileage.
> 
> Drove like a log wagon too.
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On May 26, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>> 
>> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
>> frustrating for the parental units...
>> 
>> -- Jim
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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55 MPH may have worked in the densely populated east, however in the
western states where distance is measured not in miles but hours from point
to point, it was a total failure.
Truck freight, where drivers are paid on miles driven and tons delivered,
took a huge pay cut, over "hauling the freight" at 75 MPH..
But, to those who do not agree... you are of course right..
Yawnnn..

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 1:36 PM Jim Cathey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> > Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
>
> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> frustrating for the parental units...
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

59 Fleetwood, probably had not a 454 but a similar sized Cadillac engine 
(Cadillac always made their own) but at least the Eldorado of the same year had 
a triple 2 barrel carb setup.  If you could keep it tuned properly it got 17-18 
mpg or better on the highway and would still rocket that lead sled up to 
terrifying speeds for the four wheel drum brakes.

Incredibly ugly cars.

A heavy foot, yeah, single digit mileage.

Drove like a log wagon too.

Peter

> On May 26, 2023, at 3:35 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
>> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.
> 
> I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
> frustrating for the parental units...
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.

I remember the change.  The "Are we there yet?" game got a _lot_ more
frustrating for the parental units...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Actually, the 55 mph speed limit did work. The planet was saved.

On Fri, May 26, 2023, 4:05 PM G Mann via Mercedes 
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> Don't forget the 55 MPH speed limit imposed to "save the planet"..
> and other "government intelligence" acts which lasted for years..
> Ahhh.. those were the days... The official end of cheap gas and free love..
> all in one era..
>
> On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:42 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> > Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate number
> > gas days. Fun times!
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iFōn
> >
> > > On May 26, 2023, at 2:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I owned one just like it, even the same color.
> > > I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil
> embargo
> > by
> > > OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and
> the
> > > 454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a
> > whopping
> > > 4 miles per gallon..
> > > After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer
> with
> > > $300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
> > > Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..
> > >
> > >> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> > >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> <
> > >>
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> > >>>
> > >> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
> > >> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
> > >>
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> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] OT - A True Land Yacht

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Don't forget the 55 MPH speed limit imposed to "save the planet"..
and other "government intelligence" acts which lasted for years..
Ahhh.. those were the days... The official end of cheap gas and free love..
all in one era..

On Fri, May 26, 2023 at 11:42 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate number
> gas days. Fun times!
>
> --FT
> Sent from iFōn
>
> > On May 26, 2023, at 2:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I owned one just like it, even the same color.
> > I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil embargo
> by
> > OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and the
> > 454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a
> whopping
> > 4 miles per gallon..
> > After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer with
> > $300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
> > Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..
> >
> >> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> <
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >>>
> >> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
> >> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
> >>
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >>>
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> >>
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On Fri, 26 May 2023 14:41:23 -0400 Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes
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> Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate
> number gas days. Fun times!

I had a '72 220D/8 and did not have to wait in gas lines in Sacramento.


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Back in the days of MEOW and gas lines and alternate license plate number gas 
days. Fun times!

--FT
Sent from iFōn

> On May 26, 2023, at 2:35 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I owned one just like it, even the same color.
> I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil embargo by
> OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and the
> 454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a whopping
> 4 miles per gallon..
> After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer with
> $300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
> Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..
> 
>> On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> <
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
>>> 
>> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
>> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
>>> 
>> tampa.craigslist.org<
>> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
>>> 
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I owned one just like it, even the same color.
I took it in on a trade deal, about 2 weeks before the great oil embargo by
OPEC, when gas prices skyrocketed to never before seen levels... and the
454 engine that powered the land yacht, if you were careful, got a whopping
4 miles per gallon..
After trying to sell it for over 8 months.. I finally found a buyer with
$300 cash and had the happy moment of watching it drive away..
Another life experience that won't be forgotten... or repeated..

On Thu, May 25, 2023 at 3:14 PM dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
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> <
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >
> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
> 1959 Cadillac Fleetwood All Original Black Plate California Car -...<
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >
> tampa.craigslist.org<
> https://tampa.craigslist.org/pnl/cto/d/saint-petersburg-1959-cadillac/7625167698.html
> >
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Nice car, not a crazy price. Cute girl in the one pic but she’d probably cost a 
lot more than the car 

--FT
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> On May 25, 2023, at 6:14 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
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> [00L0L_j1V99i7WEHH_0ak07K_600x450.jpg]
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> -...
> tampa.craigslist.org
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