Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[MG via Mercedes]

I used to have an old either H or F14 IH. Tricyle gear and that 
dual fuel engine. Never ran it on kero but I got to say that when 
everything was good it would start on the first pull of the 
crank. No electrics on it. Then I sold it and got the Kubota. It 
didn't pull as much cause it didn't have the weight but it was 
easier to use.


MG

Dwight Giles via Mercedes wrote:

One of the memories of my childhood is my uncle starting my grandfather's
1939 model b JD by throwing the flywheel around by hand. Then I would sit
on my grandfather's lap as he drove the tractor. After a while he would
turn a lever & a  cloud of black kerosene smoke would come back toward us.
An early dual fuel engine.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 14, 2018 11:54 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I've never heard of that 430.  In my mind, THIS is what a 430 is

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/4/49-john-deere-430.html

We had a 430 industrial.

Here's what I wanted:
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/5/54-john-dee
re-435-photos.html
Jimmy 2-53 screamer.  The one I found in 1970 had a stuck engine.  If I'd
bought it I'd probably be deaf by now.

More pictures
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1959-JO
HN-DEERE-435-DIESEL-TRACTOR-93420


fmiser via Mercedes 
January 14, 2018 at 1:24 AM
But the JD 430 is. Made 1984 to 1992. Yanmar engine.
http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

One of the memories of my childhood is my uncle starting my grandfather's
1939 model b JD by throwing the flywheel around by hand. Then I would sit
on my grandfather's lap as he drove the tractor. After a while he would
turn a lever & a  cloud of black kerosene smoke would come back toward us.
An early dual fuel engine.

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Jan 14, 2018 11:54 AM, "Curley McLain via Mercedes" <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I've never heard of that 430.  In my mind, THIS is what a 430 is
>
> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/4/49-john-deere-430.html
>
> We had a 430 industrial.
>
> Here's what I wanted:
> http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/5/54-john-dee
> re-435-photos.html
> Jimmy 2-53 screamer.  The one I found in 1970 had a stuck engine.  If I'd
> bought it I'd probably be deaf by now.
>
> More pictures
> https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1959-JO
> HN-DEERE-435-DIESEL-TRACTOR-93420
>
>> fmiser via Mercedes 
>> January 14, 2018 at 1:24 AM
>> But the JD 430 is. Made 1984 to 1992. Yanmar engine.
>> http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I've never heard of that 430.  In my mind, THIS is what a 430 is

http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/4/49-john-deere-430.html

We had a 430 industrial.

Here's what I wanted:
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/000/0/5/54-john-deere-435-photos.html
Jimmy 2-53 screamer.  The one I found in 1970 had a stuck engine.  If 
I'd bought it I'd probably be deaf by now.


More pictures
https://www.barrett-jackson.com/Events/Event/Details/1959-JOHN-DEERE-435-DIESEL-TRACTOR-93420

fmiser via Mercedes 
January 14, 2018 at 1:24 AM
But the JD 430 is. Made 1984 to 1992. Yanmar engine. 
http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html


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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

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> > Kaleb wrote:
> > I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.
> > 
> https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/

> Curley wrote:

> yes, but that is not exactly a garden tractor.

But the JD 430 is.  Made 1984 to 1992.  Yanmar engine.

http://www.tractordata.com/lawn-tractors/000/0/4/44-john-deere-430.html

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

As I recall, the actual compression release worked well but other things, 
mainly the injector pump, I think, created considerable drag on the rotational 
momentum.  On the Volvo (2 cyl) I recall the distinct sounds of the injectors 
firing as I hand-cranked.  I could not pop the compression release without 
releasing the crank.  Even though I was a lot younger then, hand-cranking was 
quite strenuous and didn't work.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2018 10:35 PM
> 
> 
> > On January 13, 2018 at 9:57 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I tried to hand-crank a 8 hp Yanmar (Cape Dory 27) and 12 hp Volvo
> (Columbia 8.7).  No success with either although I was ill-positioned with the
> engine low in the bilge.  It may have been possible with more adrenalin and a
> second person to trip the compression release at just the right time.  But I
> would hate to have to depend on this method to start even a small Diesel.
> 
> I think it helps if the flywheel weighs more than you do, and the compression
> release eliminates all compression.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

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> On January 13, 2018 at 9:57 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I tried to hand-crank a 8 hp Yanmar (Cape Dory 27) and 12 hp Volvo (Columbia 
> 8.7).  No success with either although I was ill-positioned with the engine 
> low in the bilge.  It may have been possible with more adrenalin and a second 
> person to trip the compression release at just the right time.  But I would 
> hate to have to depend on this method to start even a small Diesel.  

I think it helps if the flywheel weighs more than you do, and the compression 
release eliminates all compression.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

I tried to hand-crank a 8 hp Yanmar (Cape Dory 27) and 12 hp Volvo (Columbia 
8.7).  No success with either although I was ill-positioned with the engine low 
in the bilge.  It may have been possible with more adrenalin and a second 
person to trip the compression release at just the right time.  But I would 
hate to have to depend on this method to start even a small Diesel.  



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[MG via Mercedes]

I don't know which Kubotas you're talking about. I had a 78 
Kubota 3 cyl 24hp L225 that had both 3 point and a pto. The pto 
even had a high speed that ran at 1000rpm at the same engine rpm 
that the low speed ran 540. I wish my new tractor had that 1000 
rpm high speed option. That was all standard on the Kubotas back 
then.


MG

Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
the Satoh tractor was what I liked.  Diesel 2 cyl, with PTO and 3 point 
hitch.  I think kubota and yanmar make them that way for RTW, but most 
of the kubotoa/yanmar(JD) here don't have PTO or 3 point.  All the 
Satohs I've seen are old, but do have PTO and 3 point.  Some are 4wd too.


The JD yard tractors are made in WI and are just lawnmowers with 
throwaway engines like all the rest.  If you get to 20-30 hp range, you 
get into the yanmars labelled as JD.  They go up to about 80 HP.  The JD 
5500 was about 75 HP and MFWD.  It was twice the tractor a MF 275 was 
and burned half the fuel of the MF or smaller HP JD Dubuque works 
tractors.   It was yanmar, but said JD Made in USA on the tag.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 8:38 AM
I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this 
little Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a 
yard mower tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and 
a 2cyl diesel.  He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a 
building, and if it hits something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  
He's got a box scraper and bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome 
cool, built very solid.  He says it is kinda typical for what Jap 
farmers use on their little plots.


http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/ 



--FT



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Ha!  A 4020 or 856-1468 with a loader, bucket and forks woulda cost you 
half as much (or less) and done twice (or more) as much!



Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 7:33 PM
I really should have got a bigger tractor.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I really should have got a bigger tractor. 

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> On Jan 13, 2018, at 6:45 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 13, 2018 at 7:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We used the JD 1530 (1974, 35 Nebraska HP) Assembled in Mannheim, D) as 
>> a garden tractor but only because the IH A didn't have 3 point or a 
>> plow.  The 1530 pulled a frod 2 bottom like it was nothing.
>> We usually plowed a 1/2 A to 1 A for garden.
> 
> My dad has a 3032 like Kaleb's now. Along with a 65hp Belarus that just sits 
> in the barn. Starting out 40 years ago with a 2-3 acre garden, we had a wide 
> front Allis Chalmers CA. Nice little tractor, simple and durable, but not a 
> diesel. First tractor I ever drove when I was 11 years old. Pulled a 2-14" 
> plow easily.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

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> On January 13, 2018 at 7:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We used the JD 1530 (1974, 35 Nebraska HP) Assembled in Mannheim, D) as 
> a garden tractor but only because the IH A didn't have 3 point or a 
> plow.  The 1530 pulled a frod 2 bottom like it was nothing.
> We usually plowed a 1/2 A to 1 A for garden.

My dad has a 3032 like Kaleb's now. Along with a 65hp Belarus that just sits in 
the barn. Starting out 40 years ago with a 2-3 acre garden, we had a wide front 
Allis Chalmers CA. Nice little tractor, simple and durable, but not a diesel. 
First tractor I ever drove when I was 11 years old. Pulled a 2-14" plow easily.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, but that is not exactly a garden tractor.

We used the JD 1530 (1974, 35 Nebraska HP) Assembled in Mannheim, D) as 
a garden tractor but only because the IH A didn't have 3 point or a 
plow.  The 1530 pulled a frod 2 bottom like it was nothing.

We usually plowed a 1/2 A to 1 A for garden.

Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 9:09 AM
I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.

https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/




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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

the Satoh tractor was what I liked.  Diesel 2 cyl, with PTO and 3 point 
hitch.  I think kubota and yanmar make them that way for RTW, but most 
of the kubotoa/yanmar(JD) here don't have PTO or 3 point.  All the 
Satohs I've seen are old, but do have PTO and 3 point.  Some are 4wd too.


The JD yard tractors are made in WI and are just lawnmowers with 
throwaway engines like all the rest.  If you get to 20-30 hp range, you 
get into the yanmars labelled as JD.  They go up to about 80 HP.  The JD 
5500 was about 75 HP and MFWD.  It was twice the tractor a MF 275 was 
and burned half the fuel of the MF or smaller HP JD Dubuque works 
tractors.   It was yanmar, but said JD Made in USA on the tag.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
January 13, 2018 at 8:38 AM
I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this 
little Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a 
yard mower tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and 
a 2cyl diesel.  He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a 
building, and if it hits something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  
He's got a box scraper and bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome 
cool, built very solid.  He says it is kinda typical for what Jap 
farmers use on their little plots.


http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/ 



--FT



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Re: [MBZ] OT Start of a Lister 4 Cylinder by hand

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I have a John Deere Gator that has Yanmar engine. 3 cylinder 850 cc diesel.
When I bought it, I got a "spare engine" that had spun a rod bearing and
was torn down, so it's in parts... Seems parts are lots of bucks. A
complete new engine, fully dressed, lists for a shade under $9,000.00.

On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 8:09 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.
>
> https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-
> family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Jan 13, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the
> generator business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I
> would probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable,
> simple, and easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business
> for (sailboat) propulsion engines, too.
> >
> > A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a
> few lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines.
> > And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back
> in the 1990s, might still be.
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m pretty sure my jd tractor has a yanmar. Yep.

https://www.deere.com/en/tractors/utility-tractors/3-family-compact-utility-tractors/3032e-compact-utility-tractor/



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> On Jan 13, 2018, at 8:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
>> business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would 
>> probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and 
>> easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) 
>> propulsion engines, too.
> 
> A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a few 
> lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines. 
> And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back in the 
> 1990s, might still be.
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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think Jaime’s in the middle of rebuilding one right now…

-D


> On Jan 13, 2018, at 9:50 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
>> business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would 
>> probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and 
>> easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) 
>> propulsion engines, too.
> 
> A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a few 
> lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines. 
> And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back in the 
> 1990s, might still be.
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> On January 13, 2018 at 9:41 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
> business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would 
> probably consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and 
> easy to service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) 
> propulsion engines, too.

A lot of JD diesel garden tractors were made by Yanmar, and there were a few 
lawn tractor models with Yanmar engines. 
And yes, they were THE inboard engine to have in 30-45' sailboats back in the 
1990s, might still be.

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yanmar makes a very nice small diesel engine.  When I was in the generator 
business Kohler used them exclusively on their marine units.  I would probably 
consider them comparable to a Kubota.  Very reliable, simple, and easy to 
service. They’re very popular in the marine business for (sailboat) propulsion 
engines, too.

-D



 
> On Jan 13, 2018, at 9:38 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I went over to a guy's house yesterday and he was showing me this little 
> Yanmar 4WD diesel tractor he has.  It's not a lot bigger than a yard mower 
> tractor but it has a PTO and these really knobby tires, and a 2cyl diesel.  
> He says it will pretty much crawl up the side of a building, and if it hits 
> something it will just sit and dig dig dig.  He's got a box scraper and 
> bushhog for it.  It is amazingly awesome cool, built very solid.  He says it 
> is kinda typical for what Jap farmers use on their little plots.
> 
> http://machinerytimes.com/2017/11/15/start-of-a-lister-4-cylinder-by-handstationary-enginestationarmotordieselmotorlister/
> 
> --FT
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