Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
Security in the office has gotten to the point where I can't take anything home anymore which is a shame. I do have an XW8600 at home that got replaced with a Mac Pro. I haven't turned it on for months, I probably should get it moved out and get a smaller desk, it'd make space in our living room. Shipping will be spendy, XW8600 is big and heavy. -Curt On Wednesday, June 12, 2019, 3:15:36 AM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: > Curt wrote: > One of my instructor systems at work is at least 9 years old, > HP XW8600, it still works good but we're looking at ending > support for Windows 7 and I've got a system thats 2 generations > newer so I'll probably switch to that. I could give that XW8600 a good home here ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
> Curt wrote: > One of my instructor systems at work is at least 9 years old, > HP XW8600, it still works good but we're looking at ending > support for Windows 7 and I've got a system thats 2 generations > newer so I'll probably switch to that. I could give that XW8600 a good home here ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
Get a new PS asap and get it in there. Heat kills computers! Apple MacBook Pro's of a certain age are well know for both running too hot and having the video chip crack loose, causing crashes. I have one -- I use third party software to run the fans at full speed all the time to keep it from roasting. Keep a backup up to date, too -- I had a scare last week when my main drive went goofy, and Time Machine was out of date. Kept it in an external drive and was in the habit of forgetting to turn it on occasionally, and was stuck with losing everything since December, and then the restore failed to boot! I was lucky, leaving the dead drive running overnight by accident got it going long enough to clone it. Needless to say, I do backups much more often now! Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
Agree. And buy a USB disk drive and use it to back up to regularly. Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 6/11/19 3:24 PM: I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old. I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
One of my instructor systems at work is at least 9 years old, HP XW8600, it still works good but we're looking at ending support for Windows 7 and I've got a system thats 2 generations newer so I'll probably switch to that. Angie's business still runs on an XW8200 that I bought for work in 2006. I brought it home from the office when I replaced it with the XW8600 mentioned above. I thought we'd really gotten a good run out of it then... -Curt On Tuesday, June 11, 2019, 6:57:59 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote: More importantly, is there any reason to upgrade? If your current hardware serves your needs, why bother spending the money for a new motherboard or processor? While there have been improvements over that time frame, the tasks you’re currently doing with your computer probably haven’t changed significantly. -D > On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If >> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. >> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there >> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last >> 8 or so years? > > Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
iIRC my current processor is a 6 core Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2019, at 5:55 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Actually, not so much. > > More custom chips to condense the hardware, but the processors haven't > changed much in the last decade or so. 3 GHz is the operational limit for > silicon without serious cooling (read liquid nitrogen) and eight cores seems > to be the point at which task managing software eats so much overhead you > don't get more processing power. > > They use less power due to smaller chip count (and the new MBs are about the > same size as a 5 1/4" hard drive) but circuitry wise they are very, very > similar. > > Mature technology, even the number of transistors per square inch isn't going > up much these days. > > Peter > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
I ordered a new power supply, 1tb SSD, 2.5-3.5 drive bay adaptor, new SATA cable in case they are different for some reason. Looking at my motherboard I do have SATA 2 so at least that is better than SATA 1. Later on in the Mb blows up I will replace it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2019, at 5:57 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes > wrote: > > More importantly, is there any reason to upgrade? If your current hardware > serves your needs, why bother spending the money for a new motherboard or > processor? > > While there have been improvements over that time frame, the tasks you’re > currently doing with your computer probably haven’t changed significantly. > > -D > > >> On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >>> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If >>> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. >>> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there >>> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last >>> 8 or so years? >> >> Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors. >> >> >> Craig >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
Actually, not so much. More custom chips to condense the hardware, but the processors haven't changed much in the last decade or so. 3 GHz is the operational limit for silicon without serious cooling (read liquid nitrogen) and eight cores seems to be the point at which task managing software eats so much overhead you don't get more processing power. They use less power due to smaller chip count (and the new MBs are about the same size as a 5 1/4" hard drive) but circuitry wise they are very, very similar. Mature technology, even the number of transistors per square inch isn't going up much these days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
More importantly, is there any reason to upgrade? If your current hardware serves your needs, why bother spending the money for a new motherboard or processor? While there have been improvements over that time frame, the tasks you’re currently doing with your computer probably haven’t changed significantly. -D > On Jun 11, 2019, at 6:50 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote: > > On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > >> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If >> something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. >> That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there >> been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last >> 8 or so years? > > Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors. > > > Craig > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
On Tue, 11 Jun 2019 15:24:47 -0500 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: > I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If > something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. > That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there > been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last > 8 or so years? Yes, there have been many advancements in motherboards and processors. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
I have been fairly happy with the 120G SSD's I used in our big systems, the user files are still on big rotating media. (Easy to do with Mac.) Unless you're doing A/V production with lots of big files you probably won't be able to detect any speed difference versus all-SSD, and it's vastly cheaper. I also basically don't trust SSD's, but they have their place. I have a rant: http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/flash.html All of our systems are backed up to RAID via Time Machine, and two of the four 2T RAID slices are offline and offsite at any given time. An old Mac Pro makes an _excellent_ backup server, and is cheap. Just have it sleep when not being used, and the power consumption isn't even all that bad. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
I think I’m going to clone the current HDD to a SSD and use it for the main drive. I will then leave the current HDD installed as an internal 2nd drive with its content as is. I am not sure what size the current drive is but it has over 1tb free. I may end up getting a 3rd HDD and install in one of those external cases to use to do automatic backups of some sort Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2019, at 4:17 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > You can get an external case too for a HDD and if you need to back up the one > you have now, you can get another HDD and put it in there for backup, or put > your existing HDD in there and use another machine to back it up to something > else (SSD in another external case?). Those cases are cheap on Newegg, and > are useful if you need to do something quick because your machine has died > and you need to get at stuff on the HDD. > > --FT > >> On 6/11/19 4:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: >> I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am >> not sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see >> SSD and HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my >> motherboard might not support? I have not done anything with computer >> building in a long time. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: >>> >>> I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It >>> normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a >>> while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has >>> the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been >>> getting blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how >>> old this system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD >>> Phenom 2.7 ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it >>> seems to be running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I >>> can replace the power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is >>> not backed up which is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and >>> clone the drive over to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a >>> whole new tower either a prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the >>> motherboard too. Actually upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it >>> is at least that old. >>> >>> I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something >>> later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is >>> unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many >>> advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > -- > --FT > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
You can get an external case too for a HDD and if you need to back up the one you have now, you can get another HDD and put it in there for backup, or put your existing HDD in there and use another machine to back it up to something else (SSD in another external case?). Those cases are cheap on Newegg, and are useful if you need to do something quick because your machine has died and you need to get at stuff on the HDD. --FT On 6/11/19 4:33 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote: I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am not sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see SSD and HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my motherboard might not support? I have not done anything with computer building in a long time. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old. I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- --FT ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT time to do something about by main desktop
I’m thinking I want to get a 1tb SSD to use as the primary drive but I am not sure about the interface these days. My current HDD is SATA, but I see SSD and HDD listed with SATA II and III. Is thing something new my motherboard might not support? I have not done anything with computer building in a long time. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 11, 2019, at 3:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin wrote: > > I have suspected my power supply has been on the way out for a while. It > normally runs all the time and if it does get shut off sometimes it takes a > while to get it power back on. The fan in the power supply has died as has > the separate fan in the back of the case I added. Lately I have been getting > blue screen crashes every now and then. I really am not sure how old this > system is I built it myself. It’s running windows 7 and has a AMD Phenom 2.7 > ghz professor and 8gb ram. Other than the power supply issue it seems to be > running fine and is plenty past for anything I do on it. So I can replace the > power supply which I will do ASAP but this hard drive is not backed up which > is not good. I think I should get a new replacement and clone the drive over > to a new one, perhaps a SSD. It’s this or just buy a whole new tower either a > prebuilt one or build another one, or replace the motherboard too. Actually > upon boot up I see the bios is dated 2011, so it is at least that old. > > I think what I will do is order a new power supply and HDD. If something > later on fails such as the motherboard I can upgrade it then. That is unless > you people thing I should just do it now. Have there been that many > advancements in motherboards and processors in the last 8 or so years? > > Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
