Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
Clank while cranking is a bad thing. Valves won’t make any noise since they sit directly under the cam, if they are flat from no oil they just won’t open very well. Bad rod, missing piston (yes, my friend Hans once got a Benz at the shop with the #1 rod thrashing around in the bore, the piston was in pieces in the pan). Bad main bearing usually doesn’t make much noise cranking unless its REALLY bad. And a bad torque converter will clank too. > On Nov 21, 2022, at 7:26 AM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes > wrote: > > I did forget to mention the car has one of this’d uncle Kent purge bottles > hooked to it, so it’s running off that rather than the tank. They also had > the shut off valve wired up so it couldn’t be pushed down. Not sure why. Now > that I remember that I need to see if it’s dropping down while cranking. If > it is, this would indicate they have the vacuum lines reversed. Could be > simple, but still that clank. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 21, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Absolutely do NOT use ether on that engine — at best you will just kill the >> starter. Ether ignites well before TDC on a 21:1 compression ratio engine, >> and driving the piston up into a full power ignition will surely overheat >> the starter windings! It will NOT start on ether. >> >> No propane either, same issue. >> >> Crack the lines and make sure you have fuel — a clogged filter or leaking >> suction line (there are several) or leaking pre-heater will prevent starting. >> >> Peter >> >> >>> On Nov 20, 2022, at 9:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >>> wrote: >>> >>> In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to >>> start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the >>> intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's >>> been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors.. >>> crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and >>> look for fuel coming out at each injector line.. >>> Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it seems >>> very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer or >>> heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to warm >>> up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank >>> it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if >>> it will run.. >>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not pumped up or something. On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. > Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker arm > slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one > cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. > Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look > at it.. ;)) > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the hood. >> Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod clanking? >> >> https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>
Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
I did forget to mention the car has one of this’d uncle Kent purge bottles hooked to it, so it’s running off that rather than the tank. They also had the shut off valve wired up so it couldn’t be pushed down. Not sure why. Now that I remember that I need to see if it’s dropping down while cranking. If it is, this would indicate they have the vacuum lines reversed. Could be simple, but still that clank. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 21, 2022, at 7:10 AM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes > wrote: > > Absolutely do NOT use ether on that engine — at best you will just kill the > starter. Ether ignites well before TDC on a 21:1 compression ratio engine, > and driving the piston up into a full power ignition will surely overheat the > starter windings! It will NOT start on ether. > > No propane either, same issue. > > Crack the lines and make sure you have fuel — a clogged filter or leaking > suction line (there are several) or leaking pre-heater will prevent starting. > > Peter > > >> On Nov 20, 2022, at 9:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to >> start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the >> intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's >> been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors.. >> crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and >> look for fuel coming out at each injector line.. >> Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it seems >> very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer or >> heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to warm >> up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank >> it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if >> it will run.. >> >>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> >>> The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not >>> pumped up or something. >>> >>> On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker >>> arm slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look at it.. ;)) On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the >>> hood. > Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod >>> clanking? > > https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >>> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
Absolutely do NOT use ether on that engine — at best you will just kill the starter. Ether ignites well before TDC on a 21:1 compression ratio engine, and driving the piston up into a full power ignition will surely overheat the starter windings! It will NOT start on ether. No propane either, same issue. Crack the lines and make sure you have fuel — a clogged filter or leaking suction line (there are several) or leaking pre-heater will prevent starting. Peter > On Nov 20, 2022, at 9:51 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to > start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the > intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's > been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors.. > crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and > look for fuel coming out at each injector line.. > Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it seems > very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer or > heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to warm > up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank > it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if > it will run.. > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not >> pumped up or something. >> >> On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >>> Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. >>> Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker >> arm >>> slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one >>> cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. >>> Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look >>> at it.. ;)) >>> >>> On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >>> No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the >> hood. Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod >> clanking? https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> ___ >>> http://www.okiebenz.com >>> >>> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >>> >>> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >>> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >>> >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
Second thought, if the car has not been running for a while, all the hydraulic valve lifters could have bled down... so multiple fail to start paths in operation at once. Valves not opening. Fuel not primed to injectors. Missing run components: Suck: Collapsed lifters so not enough air to compress Squeeze: No air to compress [and make heat] plus, no fuel to ignite [injectors dry and bled down] Bang: No bang happens because of the lack of the first two. Blow: I note quite a lot of blowby when you take off the oil fill cap.. if the exhaust valves are staying closed, the spinning cylinders would pump whatever air is in the cylinders past the rings and pressurize the crankcase.. since the valves are not opening to exhaust, which I suspect is what may be happening.. On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 8:51 PM G Mann wrote: > In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to > start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the > intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's > been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors.. > crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and > look for fuel coming out at each injector line.. > Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it > seems very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer > or heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to > warm up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank > it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if > it will run.. > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > >> The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not >> pumped up or something. >> >> On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: >> > Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. >> > Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker >> arm >> > slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one >> > cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. >> > Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better >> look >> > at it.. ;)) >> > >> > On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < >> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: >> > >> >> No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the >> hood. >> >> Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod >> clanking? >> >> >> >> https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> ___ >> >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> >> >> >> > ___ >> > http://www.okiebenz.com >> > >> > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> > >> > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > >> >> >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> >> ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
In the video, it seems to spin over fast enough to make compression to start, I'd be tempted to give it a short squirt of diesel death in the intake just to help it light off enough to prime the injectors. If it's been setting for a "while" most likely it's lost prime to the injectors.. crack the lines and prime the intake with a short blast of diesel death and look for fuel coming out at each injector line.. Since it's only cranking at the underhood start switch cobbled in, it seems very likely the glow plug cycle is bypassed also. Steal a hair dryer or heat gun and preheat down the intake while you crank it a few times to warm up the cylinders then give it a blast of eather diesel death and crank it... it should light off for a short bit.. That will at least tell you if it will run.. On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 7:15 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not > pumped up or something. > > On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > > Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. > > Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker > arm > > slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one > > cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. > > Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look > > at it.. ;)) > > > > On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > >> No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the > hood. > >> Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod > clanking? > >> > >> https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> ___ > >> http://www.okiebenz.com > >> > >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > >> > >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > >> > >> > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
The 603 has hydraulic valves, but going point, one of them might be not pumped up or something. On 11/20/2022 8:11 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker arm slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look at it.. ;)) On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the hood. Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod clanking? https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Put a battery on that green SDL
Set the valves, prime the fuel system up to the injectors. Try starting it then. I think the clack-clack noise sounds like rocker arm slap from a loose adjustment, which would mean a valve [or more than one cylinder of valves] are not opening, No air = no compression = no fire. Or, not.. Bring the car closer to the computer so I can get a better look at it.. ;)) On Sun, Nov 20, 2022 at 2:41 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > No crank at the key. Discovered a starter button wired in under the hood. > Cranks over but to me sounds like no compression and maybe a rod clanking? > > https://youtube.com/shorts/PmpoufrGgVQ?feature=share > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
