Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
Yeah, good idea! There's one of them on every corner!Isn't Citroen the stuff they put in fruitcake to make it taste bad? At 04:10 PM 11/25/2006, you wrote: There's a Pentosin substitue but I can't be exact on the number of it. You can definitely get the correct stuff from your local Citroen dealer though. The SLS is licenced by MB from them. Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
Mitch Haley wrote: pIs there an acceptable, readily available substitute for W201 SLS fluid?/ppI find it necessary to use the 16v for a daily driver this week. I put a used control valve in it, and now it goes up and down when I work the lever on the valve, and it holds base pressure. I want to get rid of my test fluid (universal farm hydraulic oil) and put in something close to what is supposed to be in there before I install the new accumulators. /ppIs it safe to use the tractor fluid for a few days? The stuff is kind of smelly, so I worry about it harming the rubber bladders in my accumulators. /ppI found an old message from Meade that suggested 5606A aviation fluid was the closest match, but it seems the stuff is outdated. Common stuff now if 5609, 5606B might be available, I think it superceded 5606A. My neighbor, the ex aircraft mechanic, suggested that 5606B was very much like Dexron, but I don't know if he was basing that on facts or just on them both being red and thin . ! He did say it had less viscocity loss than 5606A when warm. I'm thinking Dexron wouldn't be likely to damage the bladders in my new accumulators, but I'd like to be sure. /pp/ppMitch/pp1979 300SD/pp1986 2.3-16/pp1987 2.5 turbo/p From Dave Bruckmann: The MB fluid 000 989 91 03 is known as ZH-M. As a matter of interest, you can order the exact-equivalent Febi 2615 fluid from Rusty for about $9/Litre. Look under suspension on his website. Pentosin 11S supercedes 7.1 in VW/Audi applications. The 7.1 fluid is G-002-000-G and 11S is G-002-000 (no suffix). It says (on the 11S bottle) that it's not miscible with 7.1, but Audi service bulletins specifically indicate that 11S can be used in a 7.1 system (but not the reverse; 11S is a better fluid than 7.1; it's synthetic and has a higher flashpoint). Neither of them is the textbook-correct MB ZH-M fluid (mostly because of colour, I suspect!), but either will work in W123 applications. They are mineral based and won't attack seals etc. 11S meets the MB 345.0 spec vs ZH-M's 236.3 spec. Perhaps Marshall or someone with the TDM can look up whether that's the standard we're aiming for. You can check: http://www.pentosin.de/eng/products/chf/body_hydraulic.html As an aside, I'm currently running with Pentosin 11S in my wagon because I had some kicking around. The previous wagon ran Febi 6162, which is equivalent to Pentosin 7.1 fluid. If I were you I'd just order it from Rusty; it'll be way cheaper than the VW dealer, where they want about CDN$ 22/Litre for 11S. You can use VW mineral hydraulic fluid G002000, also known as Pentosin 11S. It is green, and should be available at any auto parts store or VW/Audi dealer. Usually between $10 and $20/litre, sold in 1L square steel cans. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
I found this reference: James, You and others with MB hydraulic suspension systems may be interested in knowing that the original service data that came with my 85 300 TD states that Aeroshell Fluid 4 can be used in this system. Aeroshell Fluid 4 is known in the aviation community as 5606 fluid because it meets mil spec 5606H (obsolete). There are a number of suppliers of 5606H fluid, including Royal Lubricants and Texaco. The FBO at the airport quoted me $ 12 per gallon for Aeroshell Fluid 4. How's that compare with MB fluid pricing? Jim Grillot Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
pIt appears that any 5606 fluid would be OK, I might be able to find 5606G or 5606H./ppSynthetic and veggie oils seem to be verboten. /ppIf I can't find 5606, I'll just stick with the RO hydraulic fluid I have on hand, it might be better than ATF. Looks like it would be in my best interest to eventually flushamp;fill with a LHM type fluid, probably get 2-3 liters of Febi from Rusty. (search buymbparts.com for part # 0009899103)/ppI found this in a Citroen FAQ:/pphttp://www.citroen-ca.com/faq.html/ppfont color=#ff3. Can I use Dextron II instead of the Citroen LHM?/font /ppifont color=#00Yes and no. Dextron II, like any other mineral-based hydraulic oil, can be used as an emergency alternative to the Citroen LHM fluid. However, it is not recommended that Dextron II be used on a long-term basis. Dextron II differs from LHM in several ways. First, Dextron II is red instead of green - sounds minor, but you wouldn't believe how many mechanics assume it's brake fluid because of the oil's color. Second, Dextron II is a higher viscosity oil than LHM - this causes all your hydraulic components to react slower than the thinner LHM. Thirdly, Dextron II uses a lot of detergents that will react adversely with any rubber seals and o'rings in the Citroen hydraulic system. Finally, and most importantly, Dextron II is a very abrasive oil (put some between your fingers - it feels gritty) that will actually wear down moving metal components. Past experience has even shown us that any Citroen that has used Dextron II for more than 30,000 miles can not go back to LHM. The Dextron II will have worn down the Citroen's hydraulic system to a point that it will still function (barely) with the Dextron II (because of the oil's higher viscosity) but will have massive internal leakage when changed back to the thinner LHM. /font/i/p
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 21:29:19 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: /ppI found this in a Citroen FAQ:/pphttp://www.citroen-ca.com/faq.html/ppfont color=#ff3. Can I use Dextron II instead of the Citroen LHM?/font /ppifont color=#00 Say, Mitch, why the HTML code in text messages all of a sudden? Craig
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
Say, Mitch, why the HTML code in text messages all of a sudden? Because my ISP changed my preferences in their @(%@ webmail and I didn't know it. My computer had a major user induced failure Monday, and I haven't been able to recover my WinXP system restore files because many services, like RPC and Help, refuse to load. Telephony can't load either, so I'm off the net on my main computer and don't have regular email.
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 04:36:03 -0500 Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Say, Mitch, why the HTML code in text messages all of a sudden? Because my ISP changed my preferences in their @(%@ webmail and I didn't know it. My computer had a major user induced failure Monday, and I haven't been able to recover my WinXP system restore files because many services, like RPC and Help, refuse to load. Telephony can't load either, so I'm off the net on my main computer and don't have regular email. Sorry you've had all the problems. Hope you get them straightened out quickly. Craig
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
There's a Pentosin substitue but I can't be exact on the number of it. You can definitely get the correct stuff from your local Citroen dealer though. The SLS is licenced by MB from them. Jeff Zedic Toronto
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
Local Citroen dealer? Are you serious? On 11/25/06, Jeff Zedic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's a Pentosin substitue but I can't be exact on the number of it. You can definitely get the correct stuff from your local Citroen dealer though. The SLS is licenced by MB from them. Jeff Zedic Toronto ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
p gt; gt; gt; There's a Pentosin substitue but I can't be exact on the number of it. /ppYes, I can order Pentosin or Castrol or several others from Rusty, or I can walk 40 miles to the dealer Monday. I need something I can buy at Walmart, or Autozone, or the airport, or anyplace that's open on Sunday. If 5609 aviation oil is OK, I'll head for the local airport first thing in the morning. If Dexron is OK, I'll get it filled and bled tonight. If quot;universal transdraulic fluidquot; is OK, great, it's already in the reservoir. The local Citroen dealer would probably be in Windsor, which is a whole 'nother country. Are you in Toronto or London these days?/p
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
I've bought and used this before when changing accumulators http://motors.search.ebay.com/?from=R40satitle=Mercedes+OEM+Suspension+Fluid+ Jim - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Saturday, November 25, 2006 4:57 PM Subject: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes pIs there an acceptable, readily available substitute for W201 SLS fluid?/ppI find it necessary to use the 16v for a daily driver this week. I put a used control valve in it, and now it goes up and down when I work the lever on the valve, and it holds base pressure. I want to get rid of my test fluid (universal farm hydraulic oil) and put in something close to what is supposed to be in there before I install the new accumulators. /ppIs it safe to use the tractor fluid for a few days? The stuff is kind of smelly, so I worry about it harming the rubber bladders in my accumulators. /ppI found an old message from Meade that suggested 5606A aviation fluid was the closest match, but it seems the stuff is outdated. Common stuff now if 5609, 5606B might be available, I think it superceded 5606A. My neighbor, the ex aircraft mechanic, suggested that 5606B was very much like Dexron, but I don't know if he was basing that on facts or just on them both being red and thin. ! He did say it had less viscocity loss than 5606A when warm. I'm thinking Dexron wouldn't be likely to damage the bladders in my new accumulators, but I'd like to be sure. /pp/ppMitch/pp1979 300SD/pp1986 2.3-16/pp1987 2.5 turbo/p ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
p gt; gt; gt; I've bought and used this before when changing accumulators gt; gt; http://motors.search.ebay.com/?from=R40amp;satitle=Mercedes+OEM+Suspension+Fluid+/pp/ppThat looks like two bottles of the Febi that Rusty sells. I'm sure it's fine, but not local to me./ppI'll probably order some from Rusty Monday AM, but need to know if something common like Dexron would harm my accumulators in a week or less. /p
Re: [MBZ] SLS suspension fluid substitutes
No I wasn't serious! heheh Sorry, seemed to be thinking I'm Hendrik lately.. Jeff Zedic Toronto
