Re: [MBZ] TV's

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> Curt wrote:

> If you go to 4K which is nearly 2x the resolution of 1080 and
> don't double the data rate what are you getting?

4x the data rate.

That doesn't account for better compression.  h.265 or VP9 help a
bit.

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Re: [MBZ] TV's

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My son bought me a 54" Sharp Aquos TV 10 years ago.  It has great picture
quality and has performed without a hitch since day one.  I keep on waiting
for it to fail but despite heavy use it refuses to.  As you can see, it
still gets great reviews.
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/sharp-58-class-led-2160p-smart-4k-uhd-tv-with-hdr-roku-tv/6296543.p?skuId=6296543=212=1=212=1=06e1e7459b8a13d0beabbabfe885d366=CPXFhvTsv-YCFU_iswodqzUM4w=ds




On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 12:30 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I think I saw some 4k content on Netflix, I presume they are using some
> heavy compression algorithms (like regular HD content) to get it down to
> something that most ISPs deliver.  I think I nominally have 15 or 18Mbps
> on my ATT Uverse link, it's been awhile since I looked at whatever they
> are sending and the bandwidth it uses.  I vaguely recall the Netflix
> content was like 8Mbps for an HD stream.  Whatever it is, it looks
> pretty good, and I have noticed that some of the newer content looks
> really good.
>
> The streams do slow down sometimes and get snowy or quite pixelated, it
> might be the Firestick gets confused or ATT is choking the stream.
> Usually if I quit the show and start it again it is fine.  I notice my
> older AppleTV seems to choke much more often now and will do what
> appears to be a soft reboot, and if it keeps acting up I have to unplug
> it and do a hard reboot then it works better for a coupla weeks until it
> starts choking again.
>
> --FT
>
> On 12/18/19 12:00 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
> > You've hit on the problem with 4K and we talk about this at work a lot.
> > Most cable and satellite TV providers are giving you 25-30mbit/sec
> > bandwidth for HD which is about the same bandwidth as an SD DVD which
> > was 1/3 to 1/4 the frame size.
> >
> > If you go to 4K which is nearly 2x the resolution of 1080 and don't
> > double the data rate what are you getting? Distribution of 4K is
> > spotty at best.
> > Uncompressed 4K is something like 1500MB/s, thats one and a half
> > gigabytes every second, the storage requirements boggle the mind. We
> > sell storage systems that support over 7 petabytes mostly to support 4K.
> >
> > As an aside the Japanese national broadcaster, NHK, is going to
> > produce the next Olympic games in uncompressed 8K. So far just the
> > storage has cost $3 million.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 11:54:34 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via
> > Mercedes  wrote:
> >
> >
> > There is something called "QLED" now, I have no idea what that
> > technology does.  OLED pictures are quite stunning in 4k. I'll probably
> > need some more bandwidth to stream movies in that format though
> >
> > --FT
> >
> > On 12/18/19 11:45 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> > > I came rally close to going OLED when I bought a new TV earlier this
> > year. I realize they punch everything up in the stores, but across the
> > board they were definitely better as far as picture quality.
> > >
> > > I’ve got a 55” plasma that we took out of service because it was
> > ghosting slightly in one part of the display. I may put it on the wall
> > in the garage for some really decadent garage entertainment.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > >> On Dec 18, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> My next TV will be OLED.  Only worthy successor to plasma.
> > >> Our smart (!) Panasonic plasma TV's are still running well, but
> > >> the smarts expired years ago.  (No updates, services stopped
> > >> working, etc.)  No matter, they work well as monitors, and as
> > >> broadcast TV tuners.
> > >>
> > >> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

Speaking of the game of rings.  Y’all recall the hype when the Lake Placid 
Olympics were being sent by fiber to be broadcast?  So much better picture 
quality… on our clapped out color CRT over the air.  I doubt even cable had any 
impact on the upgraded transmissions

clay

> On Dec 18, 2019, at 9:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You've hit on the problem with 4K and we talk about this at work a lot.Most 
> cable and satellite TV providers are giving you 25-30mbit/sec bandwidth for 
> HD which is about the same bandwidth as an SD DVD which was 1/3 to 1/4 the 
> frame size.
> If you go to 4K which is nearly 2x the resolution of 1080 and don't double 
> the data rate what are you getting? Distribution of 4K is spotty at 
> best.Uncompressed 4K is something like 1500MB/s, thats one and a half 
> gigabytes every second, the storage requirements boggle the mind. We sell 
> storage systems that support over 7 petabytes mostly to support 4K.
> As an aside the Japanese national broadcaster, NHK, is going to produce the 
> next Olympic games in uncompressed 8K. So far just the storage has cost $3 
> million. 
> 
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I think I saw some 4k content on Netflix, I presume they are using some 
heavy compression algorithms (like regular HD content) to get it down to 
something that most ISPs deliver.  I think I nominally have 15 or 18Mbps 
on my ATT Uverse link, it's been awhile since I looked at whatever they 
are sending and the bandwidth it uses.  I vaguely recall the Netflix 
content was like 8Mbps for an HD stream.  Whatever it is, it looks 
pretty good, and I have noticed that some of the newer content looks 
really good.


The streams do slow down sometimes and get snowy or quite pixelated, it 
might be the Firestick gets confused or ATT is choking the stream.  
Usually if I quit the show and start it again it is fine.  I notice my 
older AppleTV seems to choke much more often now and will do what 
appears to be a soft reboot, and if it keeps acting up I have to unplug 
it and do a hard reboot then it works better for a coupla weeks until it 
starts choking again.


--FT

On 12/18/19 12:00 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

You've hit on the problem with 4K and we talk about this at work a lot.
Most cable and satellite TV providers are giving you 25-30mbit/sec 
bandwidth for HD which is about the same bandwidth as an SD DVD which 
was 1/3 to 1/4 the frame size.


If you go to 4K which is nearly 2x the resolution of 1080 and don't 
double the data rate what are you getting? Distribution of 4K is 
spotty at best.
Uncompressed 4K is something like 1500MB/s, thats one and a half 
gigabytes every second, the storage requirements boggle the mind. We 
sell storage systems that support over 7 petabytes mostly to support 4K.


As an aside the Japanese national broadcaster, NHK, is going to 
produce the next Olympic games in uncompressed 8K. So far just the 
storage has cost $3 million.


-Curt

On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 11:54:34 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes  wrote:



There is something called "QLED" now, I have no idea what that
technology does.  OLED pictures are quite stunning in 4k. I'll probably
need some more bandwidth to stream movies in that format though

--FT

On 12/18/19 11:45 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> I came rally close to going OLED when I bought a new TV earlier this 
year. I realize they punch everything up in the stores, but across the 
board they were definitely better as far as picture quality.

>
> I’ve got a 55” plasma that we took out of service because it was 
ghosting slightly in one part of the display. I may put it on the wall 
in the garage for some really decadent garage entertainment.

>
> -D
>
>> On Dec 18, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:

>>
>> My next TV will be OLED.  Only worthy successor to plasma.
>> Our smart (!) Panasonic plasma TV's are still running well, but
>> the smarts expired years ago.  (No updates, services stopped
>> working, etc.)  No matter, they work well as monitors, and as
>> broadcast TV tuners.
>>
>> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

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> There is something called "QLED" now,

It's an LCD display that is backlit with LED's.  Nothing special, in other 
words,
unless you admire marketing's ability to make something out of nothing.

With the demise of CRT and plasma, the only consumer display technologies out 
there are:

LCD (filtering bulk light provided by other means)
DLP (reflecting bulk light provided by other means)
OLED(generating light independently per-pixel)

Anything else is just marketing's spin on one of the above.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You've hit on the problem with 4K and we talk about this at work a lot.Most 
cable and satellite TV providers are giving you 25-30mbit/sec bandwidth for HD 
which is about the same bandwidth as an SD DVD which was 1/3 to 1/4 the frame 
size.
If you go to 4K which is nearly 2x the resolution of 1080 and don't double the 
data rate what are you getting? Distribution of 4K is spotty at 
best.Uncompressed 4K is something like 1500MB/s, thats one and a half gigabytes 
every second, the storage requirements boggle the mind. We sell storage systems 
that support over 7 petabytes mostly to support 4K.
As an aside the Japanese national broadcaster, NHK, is going to produce the 
next Olympic games in uncompressed 8K. So far just the storage has cost $3 
million. 

-Curt

On Wednesday, December 18, 2019, 11:54:34 AM EST, Floyd Thursby via 
Mercedes  wrote:  
 
 There is something called "QLED" now, I have no idea what that 
technology does.  OLED pictures are quite stunning in 4k.  I'll probably 
need some more bandwidth to stream movies in that format though

--FT

On 12/18/19 11:45 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:
> I came rally close to going OLED when I bought a new TV earlier this year. I 
> realize they punch everything up in the stores, but across the board they 
> were definitely better as far as picture quality.
>
> I’ve got a 55” plasma that we took out of service because it was ghosting 
> slightly in one part of the display. I may put it on the wall in the garage 
> for some really decadent garage entertainment.
>
> -D
>
>> On Dec 18, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> My next TV will be OLED.  Only worthy successor to plasma.
>> Our smart (!) Panasonic plasma TV's are still running well, but
>> the smarts expired years ago.  (No updates, services stopped
>> working, etc.)  No matter, they work well as monitors, and as
>> broadcast TV tuners.
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

There is something called "QLED" now, I have no idea what that 
technology does.  OLED pictures are quite stunning in 4k.  I'll probably 
need some more bandwidth to stream movies in that format though


--FT

On 12/18/19 11:45 AM, dan--- via Mercedes wrote:

I came rally close to going OLED when I bought a new TV earlier this year. I 
realize they punch everything up in the stores, but across the board they were 
definitely better as far as picture quality.

I’ve got a 55” plasma that we took out of service because it was ghosting 
slightly in one part of the display. I may put it on the wall in the garage for 
some really decadent garage entertainment.

-D


On Dec 18, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
wrote:

My next TV will be OLED.  Only worthy successor to plasma.
Our smart (!) Panasonic plasma TV's are still running well, but
the smarts expired years ago.  (No updates, services stopped
working, etc.)  No matter, they work well as monitors, and as
broadcast TV tuners.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[dan--- via Mercedes]

I came rally close to going OLED when I bought a new TV earlier this year. I 
realize they punch everything up in the stores, but across the board they were 
definitely better as far as picture quality.

I’ve got a 55” plasma that we took out of service because it was ghosting 
slightly in one part of the display. I may put it on the wall in the garage for 
some really decadent garage entertainment.

-D

> On Dec 18, 2019, at 11:13 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> My next TV will be OLED.  Only worthy successor to plasma.
> Our smart (!) Panasonic plasma TV's are still running well, but
> the smarts expired years ago.  (No updates, services stopped
> working, etc.)  No matter, they work well as monitors, and as
> broadcast TV tuners.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

My next TV will be OLED.  Only worthy successor to plasma.
Our smart (!) Panasonic plasma TV's are still running well, but
the smarts expired years ago.  (No updates, services stopped
working, etc.)  No matter, they work well as monitors, and as
broadcast TV tuners.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Clay Monroe via Mercedes]

New is far less expensive, and you get warranty.   Just how magic does it need 
to be? 4K?  Normal 1080p at 120hz is good enough for something that large if 
you are using it in a very large room, so you do not notice pixels.  The Sharp 
52” is really good from 15 foot away.  For some reason the kids have hooked 
video game to it and sit almost a meter off the screen staring at a steep angle 
up the wall.


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>> How big do you need?
> 
> 65"-75" 
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>How big do you need?

65"-75" 
I'd buy a used one it the sellers didn't think they were made from gold.

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As long as you stick to a name brand you should be fine. You really don’t have 
to worry about the “smart” aspect of these as long as you don’t connect them to 
a network. I connect mine once every few months, jump into the menu to run 
updates, and pull the (network) plug as soon as it’s done.

I think the big thing these days is LED vs. OLED(?) I know one of them is 
significantly more expensive but the picture quality is noticeably better.

-D

> On Dec 17, 2019, at 8:44 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> How big do you need?
> 
> I think I recently bought a Visio El cheapo, dumb not smart, suits us just 
> fine, purchased a couple years ago. Small at 32 inches, which is plenty big 
> enough for a small room.
> 
> We also have a ten years old Sony Bravia, 46 inch, not smart, that I hope 
> will last forever.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Dec 17, 2019 7:25:44 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes :
> 
>> After the first of the year I intend to buy a new TV. I would rather not 
>> have a "smart" tv. I know Dan bought one a while ago. What was the consensus?
>> Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?
>> 
>> 
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

How big do you need?

I think I recently bought a Visio El cheapo, dumb not smart, suits us just 
fine, purchased a couple years ago. Small at 32 inches, which is plenty big 
enough for a small room.

We also have a ten years old Sony Bravia, 46 inch, not smart, that I hope will 
last forever.

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Dec 17, 2019 7:25:44 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes :

> After the first of the year I intend to buy a new TV. I would rather not have 
> a "smart" tv. I know Dan bought one a while ago. What was the consensus?
> Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

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The Panasonic that we bought in 2012 is still going strong. It can
be"smart", but we use it as a monitor fed by a laptop with HDMI output, so
it doesn't know it could be smart -

On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 7:35 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
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>
> > Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
> > December 17, 2019 at 6:24 PM
> > After the first of the year I intend to buy a new TV. I would rather
> > not have a "smart" tv. I know Dan bought one a while ago. What was the
> > consensus?
> > Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?
> >
> >
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I trust the south Koreans more than the chicomms, so Samsong is my choice.


Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
December 17, 2019 at 6:24 PM
After the first of the year I intend to buy a new TV. I would rather 
not have a "smart" tv. I know Dan bought one a while ago. What was the 
consensus?

Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?


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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Vizios are decent and lower price. The major brands have various levels of 
performance reflected in prices. Be careful of assessing them in the store, 
they’re always cranked up on contrast and saturation etc. 

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> Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?
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Re: [MBZ] TV's

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I bought a 75" LG, the cheap one.  Seems just fine.

On 12/17/2019 6:24 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

After the first of the year I intend to buy a new TV. I would rather not have a 
"smart" tv. I know Dan bought one a while ago. What was the consensus?
Samsung? LG? Elcheapo?


Rick
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