Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The thermostatic idle air valve on our 450SL needed re-adjustment with a hammer.
The plug in the body had started working out, meaning it no longer was all that 
thermostatic.
You could adjust it for cold-start.  Or warm running.  But not both.  After the 
'hammer cure',
it worked properly again.

IIRC when 'bad' it looked stepped on top, because the body plug, which should 
have
been flush with the housing, protruded a bit.  I think I used a socket to fit 
over the middle
part, and a hammer to drive the socket in (gently!) until the outer part of the 
plug was flush
with the body.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Kevin Kraly via Mercedes]

Attaboy!
Kevin in Lexington, NC

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> On Dec 18, 2022, at 4:58 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am looking thru what is available on 116. Some good info is there but the 
> sections I really need Str missing. I need to dig thru WIS and see what’s 
> there. 
> 
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>>> On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:24:05 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Spent a little time with the car. I believe I have the vacuum lines
>>> sorted out which seems to have improved things. Cold start was still
>>> hard but warm starts seem to have improved. Still hesitates when
>>> cracking the throttle quick and will sometimes die after returning to
>>> idle after revving it up, but warm starts seem improved. 
>> 
>> Well, that's a whole lot better than yesterday when it would not run at
>> all!
>> 
>> 
>>> I guess at this post maybe best case hopeful scenario would be fuel
>>> system cleaner helps it, but I think next I will pull the injectors and
>>> check them with the pop tester. I’m sure it will come down to FD
>>> needing to be rebuilt. Perhaps WUR also. At that point, I need to
>>> decide if I want to just put it up for sale now, or proceed with the
>>> FD. If I do, I have watched some videos on rebuilding these and it does
>>> not appear to be too complicated. 
>> 
>> Did you look at the URL I posted yesterday? Did any of those manuals help?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Thanks, I will let you know if I don’t come up with something by then. 

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> On Dec 18, 2022, at 5:56 PM, David Bruckmann via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have the CD and can send you the CIS sections tomorrow night. Just LMK
> which jobs you want.
> 
>> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>> 
>> I am looking thru what is available on
>> 116. Some good info is there but the
>> sections I really need Str missing. I need
>> to dig thru WIS and see what?s there.
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[David Bruckmann via Mercedes]

I have the CD and can send you the CIS sections tomorrow night. Just LMK
which jobs you want.

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 Kaleb Striplin wrote:
>
>I am looking thru what is available on
>116. Some good info is there but the
>sections I really need Str missing. I need
>to dig thru WIS and see what?s there.
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I am looking thru what is available on 116. Some good info is there but the 
sections I really need Str missing. I need to dig thru WIS and see what’s 
there. 

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> On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:53 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:24:05 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Spent a little time with the car. I believe I have the vacuum lines
>> sorted out which seems to have improved things. Cold start was still
>> hard but warm starts seem to have improved. Still hesitates when
>> cracking the throttle quick and will sometimes die after returning to
>> idle after revving it up, but warm starts seem improved. 
> 
> Well, that's a whole lot better than yesterday when it would not run at
> all!
> 
> 
>> I guess at this post maybe best case hopeful scenario would be fuel
>> system cleaner helps it, but I think next I will pull the injectors and
>> check them with the pop tester. I’m sure it will come down to FD
>> needing to be rebuilt. Perhaps WUR also. At that point, I need to
>> decide if I want to just put it up for sale now, or proceed with the
>> FD. If I do, I have watched some videos on rebuilding these and it does
>> not appear to be too complicated. 
> 
> Did you look at the URL I posted yesterday? Did any of those manuals help?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

That I don’t know. A rebuild kit for the FD is around a $100 and probably a 
couple hours worth of time. Need to see what Larry charges to rebuild them for 
comparison purposes. 

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> On Dec 18, 2022, at 3:40 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So what is it worth with a bodged up fuel system?
> 
> Asking for a friend…
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Dec 18, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Spent a little time with the car. I believe I have the vacuum lines sorted 
>> out which seems to have improved things. Cold start was still hard but warm 
>> starts seem to have improved. Still hesitates when cracking the throttle 
>> quick and will sometimes die after returning to idle after revving it up, 
>> but warm starts seem improved. 
>> 
>> I guess at this post maybe best case hopeful scenario would be fuel system 
>> cleaner helps it, but I think next I will pull the injectors and check them 
>> with the pop tester. I’m sure it will come down to FD needing to be rebuilt. 
>> Perhaps WUR also. At that point, I need to decide if I want to just put it 
>> up for sale now, or proceed with the FD. If I do, I have watched some videos 
>> on rebuilding these and it does not appear to be too complicated. 
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/zh-0D30B_C8
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 18 Dec 2022 15:24:05 -0600 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Spent a little time with the car. I believe I have the vacuum lines
> sorted out which seems to have improved things. Cold start was still
> hard but warm starts seem to have improved. Still hesitates when
> cracking the throttle quick and will sometimes die after returning to
> idle after revving it up, but warm starts seem improved. 

Well, that's a whole lot better than yesterday when it would not run at
all!


> I guess at this post maybe best case hopeful scenario would be fuel
> system cleaner helps it, but I think next I will pull the injectors and
> check them with the pop tester. I’m sure it will come down to FD
> needing to be rebuilt. Perhaps WUR also. At that point, I need to
> decide if I want to just put it up for sale now, or proceed with the
> FD. If I do, I have watched some videos on rebuilding these and it does
> not appear to be too complicated. 

Did you look at the URL I posted yesterday? Did any of those manuals help?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Todays 116 update

[dan penoff.com via Mercedes]

So what is it worth with a bodged up fuel system?

Asking for a friend…

-D

> On Dec 18, 2022, at 4:24 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Spent a little time with the car. I believe I have the vacuum lines sorted 
> out which seems to have improved things. Cold start was still hard but warm 
> starts seem to have improved. Still hesitates when cracking the throttle 
> quick and will sometimes die after returning to idle after revving it up, but 
> warm starts seem improved. 
> 
> I guess at this post maybe best case hopeful scenario would be fuel system 
> cleaner helps it, but I think next I will pull the injectors and check them 
> with the pop tester. I’m sure it will come down to FD needing to be rebuilt. 
> Perhaps WUR also. At that point, I need to decide if I want to just put it up 
> for sale now, or proceed with the FD. If I do, I have watched some videos on 
> rebuilding these and it does not appear to be too complicated. 
> 
> https://youtu.be/zh-0D30B_C8
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The 116

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I watched a utuber vid where that guy monkey wrench mike rebuilt the fuel 
distributor on a 190 or 124, whatever his latest project is. I think he’s in 
Tulsa 

--FT
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> On Nov 13, 2022, at 5:23 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yea that’s got me worried. I see mention of people rebuilding them, and I 
> see kits on eBay, so that might be in my future. Not sure what all is 
> involved in that. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> The supply like is clear, the return line is pack solid full of dried up 
>>> fuel varnish. This could be the worse case I have seen.
>> 
>> I wonder how bad the fuel distributor is?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] The 116

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yea that’s got me worried. I see mention of people rebuilding them, and I see 
kits on eBay, so that might be in my future. Not sure what all is involved in 
that. 

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> On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:00 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> The supply like is clear, the return line is pack solid full of dried up 
>> fuel varnish. This could be the worse case I have seen.
> 
> I wonder how bad the fuel distributor is?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] The 116

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Good work but nasty I’m sure

--FT
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> On Nov 13, 2022, at 4:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> 
> Work continues on the 450SEL. Tank for the most part is ready to go in. I do 
> want to fill it with water first and make sure it does not have any leaks, or 
> at least I guess I should. In the meantime I decided to blow some carb 
> cleaner thru the lines. The supply like is clear, the return line is pack 
> solid full of dried up fuel varnish. This could be the worse case I have 
> seen. I wonder how long the car sat to get this bad. No air will pass. I 
> disconnected the lines in the middle under the drivers door and it’s clear 
> from that junction to the engine. I ran the speedo cable down it from that it 
> and it never hit an obstruction. The other end was backed solid at the very 
> end. I used a stiff wire to clear out a little, then alternating carb cleaner 
> with the speedo cable I was able to get that in about half way. I did manage 
> to get it clear enough for some air to blow thru, but the rubber end on my 
> air blow gun blew off so I need to get a new one. I decided to call it a day 
> for now and will let carb cleaner sit in the lines until I get back out here. 
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Re: [MBZ] The 116

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

> The supply like is clear, the return line is pack solid full of dried up fuel 
> varnish. This could be the worse case I have seen.

I wonder how bad the fuel distributor is?


Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Clean 116

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

The 116 interior dash and wood trim seem to wear poorly.  This is a nice
example at about $3k.

On Wed, Nov 18, 2020 at 9:20 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1980 Mercedes Benz 300sd turbo diesel
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Seems overpriced.  Not fond of the blue/blue.  No sunroof.  Where's the
turbodiesel badge?

On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:12 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
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> It is.
>
> -D
>
> > On May 2, 2020, at 11:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series/164182286822?hash=item263a06e1e6:g:SCAAAOSwbLJeQJDl
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

It is.

-D

> On May 2, 2020, at 11:00 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
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> https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-Mercedes-Benz-300-Series/164182286822?hash=item263a06e1e6:g:SCAAAOSwbLJeQJDl
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Roger, 
How cold? Below zero F a 61x engine gets iffy where a 60x has no problem. At 
-20F I've never had a 61x start unassisted although others have reported it can 
be done. I've never seen a 60x not start when cold except when my last 190D had 
water in the fuel. It started after a couple hours with a 100W light bulb next 
to the fuel filter...

CurtIt's a big country, cold is relative.

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  On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 9:46 AM, ROGER HALE via 
Mercedes wrote:   Curt, my 83 300D starts great in cold 
weather.  Now the 80 300SD is a little more picky, but then it has more miles 
and is older.  I read an MB technical article somewhere about the SD 617 
getting a few more HP because of the weight/size by making a slight head change 
that allows in a little more fuel and air to each cylinder.

And Kaleb, my 80SD has always been in the South, so only has one dime sized 
rust spot.  If you wash them underneath often and keep the drains clean, they 
don't tend to rust. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Curt, my 83 300D starts great in cold weather.  Now the 80 300SD is a little 
more picky, but then it has more miles and is older.  I read an MB technical 
article somewhere about the SD 617 getting a few more HP because of the 
weight/size by making a slight head change that allows in a little more fuel 
and air to each cylinder.

And Kaleb, my 80SD has always been in the South, so only has one dime sized 
rust spot.  If you wash them underneath often and keep the drains clean, they 
don't tend to rust. 

Best Wishes,

Roger

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Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I have one.

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> On Mar 5, 2018, at 12:30 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yes, in RTW, They are not only smart enough to do that , but they can 
> actually push  a clutch and shift gears.  That is why a 240D 3.0 is the most 
> desirable 123.
> 
>> G Mann via Mercedes 
>> March 4, 2018 at 4:19 PM
>> Anyone remember when drivers were smart enough to adjust their own
>> temperature, actually move a lever to cause defrost or floor heat?
>> 
>> Ahhh so that's why they call them "the good old days". hmmm
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Best road car ever built.  Period.  Bar none.


Craig via Mercedes 
March 4, 2018 at 6:08 PM
On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"

So why would you recommend the 300SDL?


Craig


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

yes, in RTW, They are not only smart enough to do that , but they can 
actually push  a clutch and shift gears.  That is why a 240D 3.0 is the 
most desirable 123.



G Mann via Mercedes 
March 4, 2018 at 4:19 PM
Anyone remember when drivers were smart enough to adjust their own
temperature, actually move a lever to cause defrost or floor heat?

Ahhh so that's why they call them "the good old days". hmmm


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

True story.  
In my experience the servo did a surprisingly good job, until it started to 
leak coolant.  An impressive concept (all mechanical) but poor implementation.
Unfortunately, the plastic shell and a seal were prone to leaks and cracking, 
critical parts were not replaceable.  Jim Cathy compiled a great deal of ACCII 
data on his website for anyone interested:
http://formicapeak.com/~jimc/chryaccfh/chryaccfh.html


> -Original Message-
> From:  Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes
> 
> The servo does everything. It controls the coolant flow, it turns the
> compressor on and off, it controls the vacuum to the flaps. It and the cc amp
> control control the whole system.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

And they don't need valve adjustments

Dwight Giles Jr.
Wickford RI

On Mar 4, 2018 10:06 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" 
wrote:

> 116 with an OM602 turbo would be lovely. The 617 is venerable and tough
> and all that but the 60x engines start so much better in the cold and get
> better mileage...
> -Curt
>
>
> On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 7:32:50 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Kaleb,
>
> >>A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<
>
>
> Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on
> several counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than
> the 116.  The plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of
> a classic vehicle.  The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.
> And having driven both, I and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree
> with you, the mono valve is much better than the servo system.  Yes, I
> always yearned for a 300SDL, but was leary of some of the reported motor
> issues.  The extra room would have been welcomed by my long legs.
>
> I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer
> year model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from
> you many years ago.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Roger
>
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> 770-267-0850
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

116 with an OM602 turbo would be lovely. The 617 is venerable and tough and all 
that but the 60x engines start so much better in the cold and get better 
mileage...
-Curt
 

On Sunday, March 4, 2018, 7:32:50 PM EST, ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Kaleb,

>>A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<      

    Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on several 
counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than the 116.  The 
plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of a classic vehicle. 
 The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.  And having driven both, I 
and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree with you, the mono valve is much 
better than the servo system.  Yes, I always yearned for a 300SDL, but was 
leary of some of the reported motor issues.  The extra room would have been 
welcomed by my long legs.

    I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer year 
model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from you many 
years ago.

Best wishes,

Roger

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

G wrote:
> Anyone remember when drivers were smart enough to...

... drive big wide cars on skinny lanes, bias ply tires, on ice and
packed snow.  Nice days before the Lady Bird Johnson attack on
advertising signs along the roads of America - Burma Shave, etc.
youtube.com/watch?v=oeT5otk2R1g
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[clay monroe via Mercedes]

1980 w116 is a 450 SE

81 was the 126  — 380 and 500 SE

clay 

1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

retired models-
2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers







> On Mar 4, 2018, at 6:07 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 81
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:05:53 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Those are 126, not 116.
>> 
>> When was the transition to W126?
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I stand corrected, and plead failure to ingest sufficient coffee before 
attempting to answer a technical question at 7 a.m. on a Sunday.
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On March 4, 2018 4:07:33 PM EST, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" 
 wrote:
>That is correct 
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 4, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes
> wrote:
>> 
>> According to Jaime, the crypsler is ACCII, as the 600 had the ACCI
>system, and our 85+ cars have ACCIII, the pushbutton system.
>> 
>>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>>> March 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
>>> I know that the later HVAC ACC II systems are designed to default to
>defrost with any major fault of the control system, so I'd be
>suspicious of the main push button unit in the dash, but that may not
>be the case for this system. Somewhere I have a schematic for this
>system.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

I love the 116. I hope to find a decent reasonable priced ‘80 at some point.  
They rust aweful bad though. 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 6:32 PM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
>>> A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116.<<  
> 
> Having owned a 116 for over 20 years,  I respectfully disagree on several 
> counts.  The interior in the 126 tears and breaks down more than the 116.  
> The plastic around the sides hides rust and cheapens the look of a classic 
> vehicle.  The front headlights/park lights look too Japanese.  And having 
> driven both, I and my butt would prefer a 116.  Now to agree with you, the 
> mono valve is much better than the servo system.  Yes, I always yearned for a 
> 300SDL, but was leary of some of the reported motor issues.  The extra room 
> would have been welcomed by my long legs.
> 
> I hope you find the car you want.  I tend to think it would be a newer 
> year model.  By the way, my 116 still has the door on it that I got from you 
> many years ago.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Roger
> 
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> Monroe, Ga.
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Over an earlier 617 powered 126? More power, about the same or better mileage, 
no valve adjustments needed, belt easier to mess with than the multiple belts 
on the 617, starts easier in cold weather, the car has updated trim that is 
nicer.

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 6:08 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> If wanting a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless
>> you are in love with the 617 for some reason.
> 
> So why would you recommend the 300SDL?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> If wanting a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless
> you are in love with the 617 for some reason.

So why would you recommend the 300SDL?


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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Sure that is a possibility but by now they have all pretty much been fixed. The 
original 14 heads are ok as long as you don’t get them hot, but that pretty 
much goes for any of the revisions either, don’t get them hot. My daily, well 
weekend, driver has a 14 head but Curley has it rebuilt I believe when he had 
it. 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 5:49 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116. If wanting
>> a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless you are in
>> love with the 617 for some reason.
> 
> Doesn't the 603 have the cylinder head problems?
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 15:37:17 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116. If wanting
> a 126 I would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless you are in
> love with the 617 for some reason.

Doesn't the 603 have the cylinder head problems?


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Anyone remember when drivers were smart enough to adjust their own
temperature, actually move a lever to cause defrost or floor heat?

Ahhh so that's why they call them "the good old days". hmmm

On Sun, Mar 4, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That is correct
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 4, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > According to Jaime, the crypsler is ACCII, as the 600 had the ACCI
> system, and our 85+ cars have ACCIII, the pushbutton system.
> >
> >> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> March 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
> >> I know that the later HVAC ACC II systems are designed to default to
> defrost with any major fault of the control system, so I'd be suspicious of
> the main push button unit in the dash, but that may not be the case for
> this system. Somewhere I have a schematic for this system.
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

A 126 is far superior for sure unless you just like the 116. If wanting a 126 I 
would highly recommend a 300SDL with the 603, unless you are in love with the 
617 for some reason.

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 3:03 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:58:33 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> 
>>> On March 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
>>> 
>>> https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
>> 
>> You want a 116 or a 126?
> 
> A W126, I think.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

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That is correct 

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 11:39 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> According to Jaime, the crypsler is ACCII, as the 600 had the ACCI system, 
> and our 85+ cars have ACCIII, the pushbutton system.
> 
>> Max Dillon via Mercedes 
>> March 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
>> I know that the later HVAC ACC II systems are designed to default to defrost 
>> with any major fault of the control system, so I'd be suspicious of the main 
>> push button unit in the dash, but that may not be the case for this system. 
>> Somewhere I have a schematic for this system.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

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On Sun, 4 Mar 2018 10:58:33 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> 
> > On March 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
> > 
> > https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
> 
> You want a 116 or a 126?

A W126, I think.


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

According to Jaime, the crypsler is ACCII, as the 600 had the ACCI 
system, and our 85+ cars have ACCIII, the pushbutton system.



Max Dillon via Mercedes 
March 4, 2018 at 7:01 AM
I know that the later HVAC ACC II systems are designed to default to 
defrost with any major fault of the control system, so I'd be 
suspicious of the main push button unit in the dash, but that may not 
be the case for this system. Somewhere I have a schematic for this system.




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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

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> On March 4, 2018 at 12:31 AM Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
> Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
> 
> https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
> 
> 
> And then over in Arizona,
> 
> https://showlow.craigslist.org/cto/d/82-mercedes-300-sd/6504879184.html

You want a 116 or a 126?
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

In mine, with the servo stuck and unable to park, it drew about 400mA at rest, 
so it would kill the battery in a couple of days until I pulled the fuse (I 
think it was inline, not in the fuse box) to kill the climate control. 
Mitch.

> On March 4, 2018 at 12:25 AM Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Plan on buying and installing the electronic conversion for the crypsler 
> ACC   I've avoided those things like the Plague (they are) so I have no 
> exerience, but I think the defrost only means that the servo is stuck.

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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

81

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> On Mar 4, 2018, at 8:02 AM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:05:53 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Those are 126, not 116.
> 
> When was the transition to W126?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

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On Sun, 04 Mar 2018 08:05:53 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Those are 126, not 116.

When was the transition to W126?


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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The servo does everything. It controls the coolant flow, it turns the 
compressor on and off, it controls the vacuum to the flaps. It and the cc amp 
control control the whole system. 

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> On Mar 3, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:01:35 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> 2k tops. At the money he is asking it should be in top shape with
>> everything working 
> 
> With the A/C not working, it could be:
> 
>- the compressor,
>- the condenser,
>- the evaporator,
>- the expansion valve,
>- bad o-rings some place, or,
>- bad hoses.
> 
> I think the heat going only on defrost would be related to the Chrysler
> servo. What does that servo do?
> 
> Does this have the mono-valve that is hard to get diaphragms for? Would
> the vacuum-operated dashpots, the fixing of which would require removing
> the dash, be a cause of the heat not going elsewhere?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 9:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:51:18 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 It’s probably worth 3k if it doesn’t have rust. I would prefer closer
 to 2 though 
>>> 
>>> OK.
>>> 
>>> I called the fellow.
>>> 
>>> He said he hasn't driven it for a while, so its characteristics are
>>> not front-most in his mind.
>>> 
>>> I asked him about the heat and A/C.
>>>   He said the A/C doesn't work.
>>> 
>>> He started the car and said that
>>>   the heat had defrost only.
>>> 
>>> He said the engine runs great,
>>>   but puts out black smoke when it's cold.
>>> 
>>> He said he never paid attention to the fuel mileage.
>>> 
>>> He said he put in a used transmission after replacing the seals.
>>>   He said it works well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> So what y'all think?
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Re: [MBZ] Another 116

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Those are 126, not 116.
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On March 4, 2018 12:31:24 AM EST, Craig via Mercedes  
wrote:
>Farther away than the one Kaleb posted, but ...
>
>https://farmington.craigslist.org/cto/d/1981-mercedes-benz-300sd/6491552594.html
>
>
>And then over in Arizona,
>
>https://showlow.craigslist.org/cto/d/82-mercedes-300-sd/6504879184.html
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I know that the later HVAC ACC II systems are designed to default to defrost 
with any major fault of the control system, so I'd be suspicious of the main 
push button unit in the dash, but that may not be the case for this system.  
Somewhere I have a schematic for this system.
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Plan on buying and installing the electronic conversion for the crypsler 
ACC   I've avoided those things like the Plague (they are) so I have no 
exerience, but I think the defrost only means that the servo is stuck.



Craig via Mercedes 
March 3, 2018 at 11:11 PM
On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:01:35 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
  wrote:


2k tops. At the money he is asking it should be in top shape with
everything working


With the A/C not working, it could be:

- the compressor,
- the condenser,
- the evaporator,
- the expansion valve,
- bad o-rings some place, or,
- bad hoses.

I think the heat going only on defrost would be related to the Chrysler
servo. What does that servo do?

Does this have the mono-valve that is hard to get diaphragms for? Would
the vacuum-operated dashpots, the fixing of which would require removing
the dash, be a cause of the heat not going elsewhere?


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 22:01:35 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 2k tops. At the money he is asking it should be in top shape with
> everything working 

With the A/C not working, it could be:

- the compressor,
- the condenser,
- the evaporator,
- the expansion valve,
- bad o-rings some place, or,
- bad hoses.

I think the heat going only on defrost would be related to the Chrysler
servo. What does that servo do?

Does this have the mono-valve that is hard to get diaphragms for? Would
the vacuum-operated dashpots, the fixing of which would require removing
the dash, be a cause of the heat not going elsewhere?


Craig


> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 9:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:51:18 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> It’s probably worth 3k if it doesn’t have rust. I would prefer closer
> >> to 2 though 
> > 
> > OK.
> > 
> > I called the fellow.
> > 
> > He said he hasn't driven it for a while, so its characteristics are
> > not front-most in his mind.
> > 
> > I asked him about the heat and A/C.
> >He said the A/C doesn't work.
> > 
> > He started the car and said that
> >the heat had defrost only.
> > 
> > He said the engine runs great,
> >but puts out black smoke when it's cold.
> > 
> > He said he never paid attention to the fuel mileage.
> > 
> > He said he put in a used transmission after replacing the seals.
> >He said it works well.
> > 
> > 
> > So what y'all think?

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

2k tops. At the money he is asking it should be in top shape with everything 
working 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 9:51 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:51:18 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> It’s probably worth 3k if it doesn’t have rust. I would prefer closer
>> to 2 though 
> 
> OK.
> 
> I called the fellow.
> 
> He said he hasn't driven it for a while, so its characteristics are not
> front-most in his mind.
> 
> I asked him about the heat and A/C.
>He said the A/C doesn't work.
> 
> He started the car and said that
>the heat had defrost only.
> 
> He said the engine runs great,
>but puts out black smoke when it's cold.
> 
> He said he never paid attention to the fuel mileage.
> 
> He said he put in a used transmission after replacing the seals.
>He said it works well.
> 
> 
> So what y'all think?
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:51:18 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> It’s probably worth 3k if it doesn’t have rust. I would prefer closer
> to 2 though 

OK.

I called the fellow.

He said he hasn't driven it for a while, so its characteristics are not
front-most in his mind.

I asked him about the heat and A/C.
He said the A/C doesn't work.

He started the car and said that
the heat had defrost only.

He said the engine runs great,
but puts out black smoke when it's cold.

He said he never paid attention to the fuel mileage.

He said he put in a used transmission after replacing the seals.
He said it works well.


So what y'all think?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 21:51:13 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes
 wrote:

> If really interested, send me any questions.  I'd be happy to help.

Thank you, Roger, for the offer of help.

The Chrysler system makes me a little leery.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[ROGER HALE via Mercedes]

Yes, I like my 116.  It's a 1980 300SD with about 425,000 miles.  I did finally 
have to replace the tranny and it's ok now.  The main gotcha' is the Chrysler 
servo.  I never had one leak, but the gears break and stick.  There's an 
electronic replacement for it.  It should have the newer glow plugs.  However, 
MB was playing with the 116 diesel and I found that the 78, 79, and 80 all have 
slightly different glow plug relays and they are different from the 126 or 
newer 123 relays.  My 80 still has the original exhaust system, IP, and most 
other parts, never had the head off.  I replaced the leather seats and pads 
about 20 years ago, otherwise only minor things.  My son in law painted it 
about 12-15 years ago because the clear coat was going, it's the champagne / 
gold color.

This car looks pretty good, but not $5K good.  The interior is nice, but you'd 
need to look under the seats to see if the glue and horse hair are separating 
yet.  At that mileage, it should have a lot of life left.  Check that the 
heat/AC work and check the windows...the lifts tend to go bad, not expensive, 
but a slight PITA to replace the lift or the motor.

If really interested, send me any questions.  I'd be happy to help.

Best Wishes,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Cracked dash wood and aftermarket antenna.  Fuggedaboutit.

On Sat, Mar 3, 2018 at 8:51 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It’s probably worth 3k if it doesn’t have rust. I would prefer closer to 2
> though
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:39:40 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> It looks like it might be nice but the price is too high
> >
> > What kind of price do you think would be reasonable?
> >
> >
> > Craig
> >
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:58:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
>  1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel A/T $3900 obo VERY CLEAN!!
> 
>  https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-300sd/
> 6517598390.html
> >>>
> >>> So it's nice?
> >>>
> >>> No pictures of the engine, which, I presume, is an OM617 with
> >>> old-style glow plugs.
> >>>
> >>> Any gotchas on this one? IIRC, Roger Hale likes W116s.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Craig
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> > --
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> > '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (the Big Red Van,
> >   affectionately dubbed the BRV)
> >   207 kmi
> > '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi  For sale!
> >  Has Cat Platinum Overhaul!
> > '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi
> >
> > Past:'82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
> > '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
> > '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
> > '86 190E/2.3
> > '72 220/8
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s probably worth 3k if it doesn’t have rust. I would prefer closer to 2 
though 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:47 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:39:40 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> It looks like it might be nice but the price is too high
> 
> What kind of price do you think would be reasonable?
> 
> 
> Craig
> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:58:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel A/T $3900 obo VERY CLEAN!!
 
 https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-300sd/6517598390.html
>>> 
>>> So it's nice?
>>> 
>>> No pictures of the engine, which, I presume, is an OM617 with
>>> old-style glow plugs.
>>> 
>>> Any gotchas on this one? IIRC, Roger Hale likes W116s.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Craig
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> 
> 
> Craig
> 
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> '89 Chevrolet G20 Beauville Van (the Big Red Van,
>   affectionately dubbed the BRV)
>   207 kmi
> '07 Peterbilt 386  Bruno  885 kmi  For sale!
>  Has Cat Platinum Overhaul!
> '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi
> 
> Past:'82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
> '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
> '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
> '86 190E/2.3
> '72 220/8
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 19:39:40 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> It looks like it might be nice but the price is too high

What kind of price do you think would be reasonable?


Craig

> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:58:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
> >  wrote:
> > 
> >> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel A/T $3900 obo VERY CLEAN!!
> >> 
> >> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-300sd/6517598390.html
> > 
> > So it's nice?
> > 
> > No pictures of the engine, which, I presume, is an OM617 with
> > old-style glow plugs.
> > 
> > Any gotchas on this one? IIRC, Roger Hale likes W116s.
> > 
> > 
> > Craig
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   207 kmi
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  Has Cat Platinum Overhaul!
 '00 Kenworth W900  Helmut 943 kmi

Past:'82 240D/3.0   Bluebell   286 kmi
 '95 E320   Sebastian  135 kmi   RIP
 '94 E420   Oskar  127 kmi   RIP
 '86 190E/2.3
 '72 220/8
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It looks like it might be nice but the price is too high

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 3, 2018, at 7:30 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:58:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
>  wrote:
> 
>> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel A/T $3900 obo VERY CLEAN!!
>> 
>> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-300sd/6517598390.html
> 
> So it's nice?
> 
> No pictures of the engine, which, I presume, is an OM617 with old-style
> glow plugs.
> 
> Any gotchas on this one? IIRC, Roger Hale likes W116s.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Nice 116

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sat, 3 Mar 2018 18:58:12 -0600 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"
 wrote:

> 1979 Mercedes-Benz 300SD Turbo Diesel A/T $3900 obo VERY CLEAN!!
> 
> https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/1979-mercedes-benz-300sd/6517598390.html

So it's nice?

No pictures of the engine, which, I presume, is an OM617 with old-style
glow plugs.

Any gotchas on this one? IIRC, Roger Hale likes W116s.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] A 116 with manual windows?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Cheap owner-- wanted to save $50.

On Sep 7, 2017 9:00 AM, "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes" <
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> But the 300SD was a US only car.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> >
> > Probably Euro spec, may have been delivered in Germany -- the Germans
> were slow to adopt things like power seats and power windows.
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Re: [MBZ] A 116 with manual windows?

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

But the 300SD was a US only car.

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> Probably Euro spec, may have been delivered in Germany -- the Germans were 
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Re: [MBZ] A 116 with manual windows?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Probably Euro spec, may have been delivered in Germany -- the Germans were slow 
to adopt things like power seats and power windows.
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Re: [MBZ] For 116 lovers on BAT

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

forgot the link.

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1979-mercedes-benz-280-se/

On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:13 AM, Andrew Strasfogel 
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> 280SE - honest car, warts and all - at no reserve.  If there are two
> competing bidders how high can it go?
>
> I'm thinking around $3200.
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Re: [MBZ] 107 116 console

[Rusty Cullens]

Nope, sorry.

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On Behalf Of clay monroe
Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107  116 console

what about the dash area?  All I need is the panel part to hold the radio,
acc, and ash tray

On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

 Not even close.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of clay monroe
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 5:05 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] 107  116 console
 
 how alike are the center consoles in the 116 and 107?
 
 The one in Frosch has been buggered up by some lame car stereo installer
who
 cut out the upper to get his crap radio in, and the a/c panel was strong
 armed out, breaking the bolt down positions.
 
 Do the center consoles in the sedan differ that greatly that I could use
it
 to patch the 107?
 
 
 clay 
 
 
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 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
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Re: [MBZ] 107 116 console

[clay monroe]

Ok.  Guess I go looking for a parts car that is no more expensive than a new 
console



On Aug 8, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

 Nope, sorry.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of clay monroe
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 6:29 PM
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 Subject: Re: [MBZ] 107  116 console
 
 what about the dash area?  All I need is the panel part to hold the radio,
 acc, and ash tray
 
 On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:
 
 Not even close.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of clay monroe
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 5:05 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] 107  116 console
 
 how alike are the center consoles in the 116 and 107?
 
 The one in Frosch has been buggered up by some lame car stereo installer
 who
 cut out the upper to get his crap radio in, and the a/c panel was strong
 armed out, breaking the bolt down positions.
 
 Do the center consoles in the sedan differ that greatly that I could use
 it
 to patch the 107?
 
 
 clay 
 
 
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] 107 116 console

[Rusty Cullens]

Not even close.


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Subject: [MBZ] 107  116 console

how alike are the center consoles in the 116 and 107?

The one in Frosch has been buggered up by some lame car stereo installer who
cut out the upper to get his crap radio in, and the a/c panel was strong
armed out, breaking the bolt down positions.

Do the center consoles in the sedan differ that greatly that I could use it
to patch the 107?


clay 


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Re: [MBZ] 107 116 console

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

completely different
On 8/7/2012 4:05 PM, clay monroe wrote:

how alike are the center consoles in the 116 and 107?

The one in Frosch has been buggered up by some lame car stereo installer who 
cut out the upper to get his crap radio in, and the a/c panel was strong armed 
out, breaking the bolt down positions.

Do the center consoles in the sedan differ that greatly that I could use it to 
patch the 107?


clay


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1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
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Re: [MBZ] 107 116 console

[clay monroe]

what about the dash area?  All I need is the panel part to hold the radio, acc, 
and ash tray

On Aug 7, 2012, at 2:15 PM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

 Not even close.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
 On Behalf Of clay monroe
 Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 5:05 PM
 To: Mercedes Discussion List
 Subject: [MBZ] 107  116 console
 
 how alike are the center consoles in the 116 and 107?
 
 The one in Frosch has been buggered up by some lame car stereo installer who
 cut out the upper to get his crap radio in, and the a/c panel was strong
 armed out, breaking the bolt down positions.
 
 Do the center consoles in the sedan differ that greatly that I could use it
 to patch the 107?
 
 
 clay 
 
 
 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
 1972 220D - Gump - She is green, simple and ran
 1995 E300D - Cleo - Used by the Queen of Denial
 POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] interesing 116 euro manny tranny (correction, 126 euro)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I see it has picture now, its a 126.  Does not look bad at all.  Im 
about half way interested in it but damn, its 600+miles away.


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I assume its a 116, for all I know, it could be a 126

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1980 MERCEDES 280 SE EUROPEAN MODEL! THE ONLY FOUR SPEED MANUAL
TRANSMISSION I HAVE EVER SEEN. THIS CAR RAN GREAT WHEN PARKED THREE
MONTHS AGO,  SHOULD RUN AGAIN WITH A DAY OF TINKERING. PLEASE CALL
BRIAN @ 702-204-5588 IF INTERESTED. I DO NOT CHECK MY EMAIL OFTEN SO A
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Re: [MBZ] interesing 116 euro manny tranny

[WILTON]

'Sure looks like a 126 to me.

Wilton

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I assume its a 116, for all I know, it could be a 126

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TRANSMISSION I HAVE EVER SEEN. THIS CAR RAN GREAT WHEN PARKED THREE
MONTHS AGO,  SHOULD RUN AGAIN WITH A DAY OF TINKERING. PLEASE CALL
BRIAN @ 702-204-5588 IF INTERESTED. I DO NOT CHECK MY EMAIL OFTEN SO A
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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] 116 vs 126 517.9xx engines

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

As  I said I will send you the air cleaner if you need it.

Hans Neureiter wrote:

My 126 300SD is in need of an engine transplant and I have a engine
from a 116 donor car (thanks to Kaleb).
There are a few minor differences I noticed.
One of them is the vacuum pump.
The 116 has the double piston type, the 126 the single piston. Are
these pumps interchangeable?
I like to keep mine since it just got rebuilt and I have no idea what
the life span of the older double piston type may be.
The other thing is the aircleaner. The 116 has no oildrain from the
aircleaner to the pan, thus the pan does not have a hole/connection
for it. I was thinking of swapping the pans, but questioning if the
drain is a must. What if I plug the hole in the aircleaner? The deain
on the 126 had no rubber seals for a long time and it never leaked.



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Re: [MBZ] [ SPAM ] 116 vs 126 517.9xx engines

[Hans Neureiter]

If I do, I appreciate it.

I looked through the EPC and could not find anything on vac. pumps???

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As  I said I will send you the air cleaner if you need it.

Hans Neureiter wrote:
 My 126 300SD is in need of an engine transplant and I have a engine
 from a 116 donor car (thanks to Kaleb).
 There are a few minor differences I noticed.
 One of them is the vacuum pump.
 The 116 has the double piston type, the 126 the single piston. Are
 these pumps interchangeable?
 I like to keep mine since it just got rebuilt and I have no idea what
 the life span of the older double piston type may be.
 The other thing is the aircleaner. The 116 has no oildrain from the
 aircleaner to the pan, thus the pan does not have a hole/connection
 for it. I was thinking of swapping the pans, but questioning if the
 drain is a must. What if I plug the hole in the aircleaner? The deain
 on the 126 had no rubber seals for a long time and it never leaked.


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 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2,
 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 80 116 odo repair

[John Berryman]

On May 31, 2006, at 2:03 PM, wilton strickland wrote:

Friend has a 116 with inop odo.  Please remind me of name/address  
of repair

shop.
I had 80 240D and 81 300D done yrs ago; can't find rcpt.

Wilton



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Re: [MBZ] Curt/116 available soon.

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Curt,
Good luck with the house-but I would say-take the trip with the SD and
your wife.  You'll have a house the rest of your life-but the chance to
take a grand trip is not to miss. Sigh-wishes he had done that 30 years
ago-now waiting for retirement to drive cross county. I drove the 300D
2.5t to NH last week-went by your road.
Dwight


Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI
Bissell Cove Quahog  Auto Salvage Co.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Curt/116 available soon.


 
In a message dated 5/22/2006 10:42:43 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

My wife  and I decided this weekend that if we don't get this house
we've 
made an offer  on we're going to buy a 116 300SD and a teardrop trailer
and tour 
the US... I  love that woman.



Curt,
 
Yo surely have every reason to keep the woman and leave the house!   She

sounds great!
Would you consider  paying up for an Arizona rust free sun yellow 116
diesel 
that looks great, runs great, and has had many, many things rebuilt or  
replaced over the 20 years that I have had it.  It should travel well
with  no 
additional work but who knows!  I think it is worth $4500.  The  engine
has about 
20,000 miles on a serious rebuild that should run for  a long time.  I
have 
receipts for new parts and machine work totaling  over $2700, I did all
the 
labor.  Same with the AC, the  driveshaft, motor mounts, etc., etc, etc.
The 
palomino gold interior looks  really good and the seats have been
removed and 
renovated, with new horsehair  pads in  back.  Front and back bumper
skins and 
rubber replaced, new  headlight surrounds (with spare Euro headlights.
The 100 
watt US  headlights may be the best you will have ever seen and I can't
justify 
changing  to the Euros).
 
No trailer hitch though!  And it is not clear if you were thinking
diesel 
power.
 
I am getting past the point where I can keep maintaining my fleet, and
must  
consider parting with my baby. 
 
You would be first in line.
 
Regards  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

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Re: [MBZ] Curt/116 available soon.

[Curt Raymond]

Wow Jim, would I ever!
   
  Unfortunately I don't think its in the cards right now. Even if the house 
falls through, which it looks more like every day that they sit on our offer, 
it would be several months before we'd be ready to move on anything, maybe even 
next summer. While it'd be relatively easy for me to take a leave of abscence 
from work my wife owns her business and we'd have to rig up things to run 
without us and not run us into the poor house. Its doable but it'd take time to 
set right. So for now its dreams mostly.
   
  -Curt
   
   
  Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 15:09:13 EDT
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Curt,
 
Yo surely have every reason to keep the woman and leave the house!   
She 
sounds great!
Would you consider  paying up for an Arizona rust free sun yellow 116  
diesel 
that looks great, runs great, and has had many, many things rebuilt or  
replaced over the 20 years that I have had it.  It should travel well 
with  no 
additional work but who knows!  I think it is worth $4500.  The  engine 
has about 
   
  *SNIP*
   
  You would be first in line.
 
Regards  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles



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On May 22, 2006, at 6:02 PM, Marshall Booth wrote:

 Just when they got it right, they discontinued them!!

 Marshall

That figgers.

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