Mersenne Digest V1 #511

1999-02-19 Thread owner-mersenne-digest


Mersenne Digest  Thursday, 18 February 1999 Volume 01 : Number 511


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From: "Olivier Langlois" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 02:41:14 -0500
Subject: Re: Mersenne: Link from Knuth's Home Page

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From: Todd Sauke [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 16 février, 1999 19:31
Subject: Re: Mersenne: Link from Knuth's Home Page

Paul Derbyshire wrote:

What the devil is a "fascicle"?

My first thought was "Why not just look it up in the dictionary?"
I was amused that my Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary's first definition
of fascicle is "an inflorescence consisting of a compacted cyme less
capitate than a glomerule"
. . . Okaa

fascicule is a french word which means a small publication.

Todd Sauke

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From: "Adam Atkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 17 Feb 99 14:09:22 +
Subject: RE: Mersenne: Link from Knuth's Home Page

Note that the Fascist party in Italy was called this because its
symbol had a bundle of something (wheat? twigs?) in the middle, and
the Italian for bundle is "fascio".

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From: "Vincent J. Mooney Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:45:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: RE: Mersenne: Link from Knuth's Home Page

Yes.  The Romans used the word "fasces" to decribe a bundle of sticks bound
together to hold an axe at one end (a picture would be worth a lot but I
don't have one).  The cord was wrapped around the bundle. The axe was used
in war as well as construction.  Benito Mussolini and the Italians knew
about this, being well steeped in Italian, i.e., Roman history.  Beniti
coined fascist from "fasces" telling the Italians that they were  strong if
bound together. 

History lesson for the day.

At 02:09 PM 2/17/99 +, you wrote:
Note that the Fascist party in Italy was called this because its
symbol had a bundle of something (wheat? twigs?) in the middle, and
the Italian for bundle is "fascio".

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From: "Sander Hoogendoorn" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:47:53 PST
Subject: Mersenne: Completely Factored

Can sombody please tell me when a number is completely factored?

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:55:57 +0100 (MET)
Subject: Re:  Mersenne: Completely Factored

"Sander Hoogendoorn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] asks

 Can sombody please tell me when a number is completely factored?

  The prime factors of 2^29 - 1 are 233, 1103, and 2089.
The equation

2^29 - 1 = 233 * 1103 * 2089

gives the _factorization_ or _complete factorization_ of 2^29 - 1.
Whereas

2^29 - 1 = 233 * 2304167  (where 2304167 = 1103 * 2089)
2^29 - 1 = 1103 * 486737  (where 486737 = 233 * 2089)
2^29 - 1 = 2089 * 256999  (where 256999 = 233 * 1103)

are _partial factorizations_ of 2^29 - 1.  A complete factorization
factors a number into prime factors.  A partial factorization
allows composite cofactors (which are smaller than the original number).

  If someone finds the factor 233 of 2^29 - 1, he/she can compute
the cofactor 2304167, and subject the cofactor to a probable prime test.  
If the cofactor is definitely composite, we have
only a partial factorization, and more work is needed.
If instead the cofactor passes the probable prime test, 
we try to prove it prime so we can be sure the factorization is complete.



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From: Henk Stokhorst [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 08:48:11 +0100
Subject: Re: Mersenne: Completely Factored


RE: Mersenne: Problem Running NTPrime

1999-02-19 Thread Aaron Blosser

 Curtis Cooper
 Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:04 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Mersenne: Problem Running NTPrime

  I am trying to run NTPrime Version 17.1 as a service
  under Windows NT 4.0.  I have been having trouble
  keeping it running; it seems like the System Idle
  Process will take control of the CPU.  Things
  will run fine for a day or two; NTPrime will
  start automatically and when I check the Task Manager
  it is using 99% of the CPU.  But then I will come back a day or
  so later and sometime during that time period the
  System Idle Process took control and is running
  at 99% CPU usage and NTPrime has 0%.
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  Is there an explanation why the System Idle Process is taking
  control of the CPU?

The NT "idle" process is not so much a process as just a measurement of how
much your computer is *not* doing.  The fact that NTPrime didn't seem to be
doing anything means that perhaps it hung, or maybe it didn't have any work
to do.  Next time this happens, check the "worktodo.ini" file and see if
there's anything in there maybe.

It's quite normal to see the "idle" process with lots of CPU "usage" when no
programs are doing anything.


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Mersenne: Re: fascist symbolism

1999-02-19 Thread Geosas

In a message dated 19/02/99  09:34:44, you write:

 Subject: RE: Mersenne: Link from Knuth's Home Page
 
 Note that the Fascist party in Italy was called this because its
 symbol had a bundle of something (wheat? twigs?) in the middle, and
 the Italian for bundle is "fascio".
 
  

In ancient Roman times, it was a bundle of sticks carried by an official
called the "lictor" to symbolise his power to beat miscreants.  The
modern Italian fascists added an axe in the centre of the bundle, to
symbolise capital punishment by beheading.  This was not present
in the ancient Roman version.  Or so I learnt in Latin classes, anyway.

Stanford University at one time had an outstation near Florence, Italy,
where there was a swimming pool with this fascist emblem on the
bottom.  While there I took a bath in a tub (large) which had been 
used by Mussolini, in addition to swimming in the pool.

I hope this puts an end to this off-topic thread.

George.


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Mersenne: Factoring...

1999-02-19 Thread Bryan Fullerton

Howdy,

I'm running PrimeNet on my 486sx/25 Linux router box (yeah, I know...).  Right
now it's factoring M8956237, and it seems to do about one pass per day.  It's
going to take a while. :)

Would adding a 487 math co-processor speed this up?  If so, by how much?  I
have no idea about the algorythm used, so I don't know if this is primarily
doing integer or floating point operations.

Thanks,

Bryan

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