Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Rob Clark
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Timothy Arceri wrote: > On 18/05/17 04:23, Marek Olšák wrote: >> >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick >>> wrote: On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > > On May 16,

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Timothy Arceri
On 18/05/17 07:34, Marek Olšák wrote: On May 17, 2017 11:13 PM, "Timothy Arceri" > wrote: On 18/05/17 04:23, Marek Olšák wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin mailto:imir...@alum.mit.edu>> wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2017 a

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Marek Olšák
On May 17, 2017 11:13 PM, "Timothy Arceri" wrote: On 18/05/17 04:23, Marek Olšák wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick >> wrote: >> >>> On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: >>> On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timo

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Timothy Arceri
On 18/05/17 04:23, Marek Olšák wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick wrote: On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: What *actual*

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Marek Olšák
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick wrote: >> On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: >>> On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: >>> On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: > What *actual* problem are you tryin

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Christian Gmeiner
2017-05-17 20:03 GMT+02:00 Rob Clark : > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: >> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick wrote: >>> On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: > On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wr

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Rob Clark
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick wrote: >> On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: >>> On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: >>> On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: > What *actual* problem are you tryin

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Ilia Mirkin wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick wrote: > > On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > >> On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: > >> > >>> On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: > What *actual* problem are yo

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Ilia Mirkin
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 1:26 PM, Ian Romanick wrote: > On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: >> On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: >> >>> On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like you're just trying

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Ian Romanick
On 05/16/2017 09:04 PM, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: > >> On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: >>> What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like >>> you're just trying to find stuff to do. We have a mechanism to make >>> this

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 3:39 AM, Emil Velikov wrote: > On 17 May 2017 at 05:04, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > > > If we are genuinely making things more maintainable, then maybe > deprecation > > is reasonable. However, of it's just churn, then it may just be a > source of > > new bugs to fix. I thi

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-17 Thread Emil Velikov
On 17 May 2017 at 05:04, Jason Ekstrand wrote: > If we are genuinely making things more maintainable, then maybe deprecation > is reasonable. However, of it's just churn, then it may just be a source of > new bugs to fix. I think asking "why?" is perfectly reasonable. > Seems like I failed to s

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-16 Thread Timothy Arceri
On 17/05/17 14:04, Jason Ekstrand wrote: On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like you're just trying to find stuff to do. We have a mechanism to make this work, and it's not t

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-16 Thread Jason Ekstrand
On May 16, 2017 18:30:00 Timothy Arceri wrote: On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like you're just trying to find stuff to do. We have a mechanism to make this work, and it's not that hard. Introducing a deprecation perio

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-16 Thread Timothy Arceri
On 17/05/17 02:38, Ian Romanick wrote: What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like you're just trying to find stuff to do. We have a mechanism to make this work, and it's not that hard. Introducing a deprecation period and everything that involves will make it more w

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-16 Thread Ian Romanick
What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like you're just trying to find stuff to do. We have a mechanism to make this work, and it's not that hard. Introducing a deprecation period and everything that involves will make it more work, not less. On 05/16/2017 06:05 AM, E

Re: [Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-16 Thread Emil Velikov
On 16 May 2017 at 17:38, Ian Romanick wrote: > What *actual* problem are you trying to solve? Honestly, it seems like > you're just trying to find stuff to do. We have a mechanism to make > this work, and it's not that hard. Introducing a deprecation period and > everything that involves will m

[Mesa-dev] [RFC] Deprecating old DRI loaders/drivers

2017-05-16 Thread Emil Velikov
Hi all, As many of you know the current DRI interface provides backwards compatibility between old loaders and new drivers, and vice-versa. Sometimes issues cannot be addressed with the existing extensions and we need to bump the version or provide an alternative extension. In such cases we still