[Metamath] Re: Is there a proof for "2+2=4" without passing through the reals?

2021-10-01 Thread Norman Megill
By the way, if you want to see which ZFC axioms are needed for o2p2e4, you can use (in metamath.exe) MM> read set.mm ... MM> show trace_back o2p2e4 /essential/axioms/match ax-* Statement "o2p2e4" assumes the following axioms ($a statements): ax-mp ax-1 ax-2 ax-3 ax-gen ax-4 ax-5 ax-6 ax-7 ax-8

[Metamath] Re: Is there a proof for "2+2=4" without passing through the reals?

2021-10-01 Thread Anarcocap-socdem
Thank you, Norman. El dia divendres, 1 d’octubre de 2021 a les 16:36:43 UTC+2, Norman Megill va escriure: > In our construction of the complex numbers, even the "simple" natural > numbers are complicated objects, and there isn't a simple direct ZFC proof > of 2+2=4 that doesn't require going

[Metamath] Re: Is there a proof for "2+2=4" without passing through the reals?

2021-10-01 Thread Norman Megill
In our construction of the complex numbers, even the "simple" natural numbers are complicated objects, and there isn't a simple direct ZFC proof of 2+2=4 that doesn't require going through the construction, leading to the large number of steps you see. However, there is