One might also take the cynical view, that if that part of the world
looked after its antiquities better, there would be less chance for
antiquities to go missing in the first place...and it's not about lack
of money, a fence around a monument costs next to nothing..
(I've personally seen
Good Morning-
This is probably a little off topic- but a comment
I would like to make to see if I am alone in this.
When bidding in ebay or other on meteorites- there
is nothing more disappointing than someone that lays
out for the last few seconds and then outbids you with
a fast server. It
Hello Mike and Listmembers.
Sorry, but your idea is never going to happen. Sniping on ebay is a way of life and has been since the beginning of ebay. The real solution would be for ebay to alter their auctions so that an auction could not end until 5 minuites had passed without a bid. This would
You could always bid high enough where this won't happen.
Most people are afraid to go that extra 1.00. Try it, it may work for
you! But really, not much you can do about it. That's life.
Matt
Mike Groetz wrote:
Good Morning-
This is probably a little off topic- but a comment
I would like to
Hi Mike and all,
It is frustrating to get sniped but I find it necessary to bid this way. A
lot of the meteorite auctions are from the US and tend to end 2 am to 5 am
my local time. I am asleep when the auctions end. The only sure fire way I
can ensure a bid is placed is by using a sniping
Hi Frank,
Yes indeed, that would be worth repatriating!
There must be more stuff like the LDG scarab around, at least beads...
Any other pointers?
Nick
At 08:14 PM 6/10/2004, fcressy wrote:
Hello Nick,
So what is the fanciest LDG artifact in existence?
I would guess that it's the scarab in King
Hello Randy, Mike and All,
Your idea is good Randy and should be submitted
to eBay!
Fred Beroud
- Original Message -
From:
Randy
Mils
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:08 PM
Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite
eBay Bidding Comment
Hi Nick and Frank,
Not a scarabe, but how do you find this
one?
http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/images/Paris2003/LIBYANGLASS-TOOLNr1-4.6g%5B1%5D.JPG
Cheers,
Fred Beroud
- Original Message -
From: "Nicholas Gessler" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "fcressy" [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
This has been a quite revealing discussion.
For example, Nicholas Gessler on Thu
Jun 10 21:18:25 EDT 2004 stated:
Don't we have better things to worry about than
whether Libya is going to spend $100s or $1000s
to repatriate EACH chip, flake or blade of Libyan
Desert Glass? at:
In a similar
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html
OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity on the Edge - sol 130-133,
June 10, 2004
On sol 130 Opportunity traversed a total of about 45 meters
(about 147.6 feet). About 39 meters (about 127.9 feet) of
that was counter-clockwise along the edge of
I too have lost out many times to snipers, but I look at it this way
If I am interested in an item, and I personally determine that I am willing to pay a
maximum of $X for it, then I will submit a bid in the amount of $X.
If someone else bids more than $X, either a day before the auction
http://www.arc.nasa.gov/aboutames-pressrelease-print.cfm?id=15000128
Kathleen Burton
NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif.
Phone: 650-604-1731 or 650-604-9000
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
NASA SCIENTIST HOPES TO EXPLAIN SATURN'S MYSTERIOUS 'BLACK' MOON
June 9, 2004
A NASA Ames planetary
Why make a mountain out of a mole hill on this? My point was simple, and has
Nothing to do with how I view the sanctity of any countries historical
artifacts. The point is, in this case it is unenforceable, just that. The
subject is LDG worked into tools, and that subject only. It is available all
- Original Message -
From: Michael
Cottingham
To: Michael Cottingham
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 10:19 AM
Subject: 20% off ALL BUY IT NOW ITEMS TODAY ONLY!
Hello,
I am offering "Once Again" one of my BUY IT
NOW SALES.
TODAY ONLY... 20% off any of my Buy It Now Items at
Ebay.
Dear List,
I couldn't not chime in, so suppose there are any hungry people in
Africa that would rather have a nice thick juicy sandwich or a bowl of
rice soup over a chip of desert glass that some call artifactual?
I am sure wives have been purchased with the proceeds from
Yes, being a resident of Wyoming, and I will speak here for Wyoming
residents, we want all of our fossil fish, dinosaurs, eocene mammals,
meteorites, back from Japan, Germany, Britain, Spain, Africa, Russia,
Austrailia.We will also ban all photos of Yellowstone,
repatriate the
Hello
I have update my personal collection site, I have change many little pices with big pieces and put rare pieces type the rare Parambu, fall in the day of my birthday - this is the second meteorite I have of my birthday after Barbotan - after I have put newpieces of DaG 400, 476, Pena Blanca
Howdy Folks,
I found a few extra minutes today so I posted some rarely offered meteorites on ebay. Many are historic falls of achondrites and carbonaceous chondrites, but there is an iron and an enstatite chondrite in the bunch as well.
Also, there are some rare finds including a Howardite , a
Keith,
Don't be so quick to twist what I and others said to fill your needs.
It is also naive not to know the difference between de facto and de jur.
That is all that most of the people posting were pointing out.
De jur does not necessarily guarantee the conservation of
anything. There are many
(Export of anything from Libya without a
permit from the U.S. Customs Service is
also illegal because trade with it is
still embargoed because of its status as
a state sponsor of terrorism.)
this is currently untrue. you can export all you want from Libya now without
state department aproval.
What ever happened to the pleasant humor that this list used to proffer; I've missed you all very much on my extended vacation... some really wierd things are starting to stir up the pot here (Michael and Glenmore's comments at end of this message). Good call Glenmore.
Hi Michael (Blood),
I know
What ever happened to the pleasant humor that this list used to proffer; I've missed you all very much on my extended vacation... some really wierd things are starting to stir up the pot here (Michael and Glenmore's comments at end of this message). Good call Glenmore.
Hi Michael (Blood),
I
Mike Groetz:
nothing more disappointing than someone that lays
out for the last few seconds and then outbids you
Having participated in an off-list, knock-down drag-out fight with another listee about this particular subject ;-), here's what I would offer:
I think bidders who complain
Nick wrote
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As for your argument, and your condensation
of what I and others have said, it is your logic
that is bankrupt not their postings. Picking an
LDG flake up off the shifting sandy desert floor,
where it might not otherwise be seen again is
not like stealing a
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
to prevent a hippocracy
God knows we need to prevent thatthem hippo's are ruthless.
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I'm with Doug on this one. Free Markets for Free Men!
Mike Fowler
Chicago
ebay--Starsandrocks
Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations, 1776.
"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and
diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some
Hi
Doug,
Welcome back. I have a simple question on the
ongoing topic, as I haven't really
been
following it that closely and am frankly too busy (or
lazy, take your pick) to
check
the archives to see what was really written. If
memory serves, the timing
of
events was something like
En un mensaje con fecha 06/11/2004 2:33:46 PM Mexico Daylight Time, Sharkk b8 escribe:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
to prevent a hippocracy
God knows we need to prevent thatthem hippo's are ruthless.
G
Thanks Gregory, and I am sure you know the difference between that and a burrocracy, so
Hi Doug and List Members.
I agree with everything that you state in principle, Doug. It is unfortunate that you chose the LA001 thread to make your point.
The LA001 situation has nothing to do with free marketing of goods or price fixing. The closest example that I can think of that would be
Wow Doug,
for the caseI'll feel a little bit sick, I'll
hire you to hold the last speech for me...
GringoBlood wanted to express, that it's just
impolite and unsportsmanlike to immediately undercut an offer posted to the
list. That's all.
Marketmeteorites?Meteorites are a so
incredible
Keith,
You seem to like to shift attention by misquoting.
I made no claims about what is legal and what is not legal.
I did make a claim that there is a higher authority than some legislation.
That higher authority comes from people who make workable laws for the
greater good, the conservation of
MexicoDoug writes:
I'm assuming you caught the true irony in the statement
Yes, as challenging as it is for so many of us to follow the complexity and lofty humor of your posts, I'm pretty sure I was up to the task this particular time. Thanks for your sincere concern. Saludos back atcha.
En un mensaje con fecha 06/11/2004 3:55:14 PM Mexico Daylight Time, Sharkk b8 escribe:
Yes, as challenging as it is for so many of us to follow the complexity and lofty humor of your posts, I'm pretty sure I was up to the task this particular time.
Saludos back atcha.
Gregory, you are a case by
Hi Rob,
Thanks for the welcome ... I am glad friends are still allowed to have different opinions and still be friends ... on the meteorite list. In your most courteous reply I understand two potential objections for discussion:
1. The relevance it has to the concrete situation concerning our
MexicoDoug writes:
If I wanted to hear from an asshole I would have farted.
Thanks for the window on the soul. Evidently Douglas is incapable of recognizing and accepting any humor not his own, or any that may dare to (*shudder*) poke a little fun at HIM. Apologies (on Doug's behalf) to the
Hi List and Randy
Seems to me that the few true auctions I've been to
that when the auctioneer wants to close the sale, he says "going going gone" (to
paraphrase what they actually say, but you get the idea) and this doesn't occur
over a five minute period. It happens within 30-60 seconds
Despite what you have stated, he and other
professional archaeologists have made it very clear,
contrary to you have claimed, me that even picking
an LDG flake up off the shifting sandy desert floor
and transporting it / exporting it without permission
from either Egypt or Libya is unethical
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
June 7-11, 2004
o Hebes Mensa (Released 7 June 2004)
http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040607a.html
o Thaumasia Planium (Released 8 June 2004)
http://themis.la.asu.edu/zoom-20040608a.html
o Nili Fossae (Released 9 June 2004)
You guys may think this to be a real stupid question, but here goes. Meteorites have been found to be from asteroids, comets, Mars The Moon. What about Mercury, Saturn, Jupiter...Etc? Is it just because we have to point of reference or maybe distance...Just Curious! P-NutGet more from the Web.
Hi Mike,
Just bid your highest bid the first time and forget it. If you win, you
win. If you don't, via sniping or otherwise, well you weren't going to bid
any higher anyway so what difference does it make whether the other person's
bid was entered 10 hours, 10 minutes, or 10 milliseconds
Thanks for the window on the soul
.. said the undisputed master of hypocritical ceremonies who notoriously deigns
to provoke even the most benevolent list members with unwarranted comments
that only reflect his mean intentions and motives. Comparing Doug to J. Warren
is as provocatively mean and
Hola Randy,
Looks like I've missed out on the special circumstances of this LA001 deal. If you agree with most of what I said, maybe none of it applies to that particular auction.
The comments you make I completely agree with: If one goes to a live auction where the auctioneer has invested in
Keith, you are deliberatly misrepresenting what you
wrote to that archaelogists and then deliberately
misrepresenting what you are reporting back to this
list. You are asking the archaelogists if artifacts
made from LDG is illegal (Of course it is) and then
you show him this auction by Mark
(American Meteorite Museum Letterhead) AMERICAN METEORITE MUSUEM OPPOSITE METEOR CRATER ON HIGHWAY 66 POST OFFICE BOX 1171 WINSLOW ARIZONA May 20, 1953 Mr. Stuart H. Perry Adrian, Michigan Dear Stuart: Please look up and return the little iron that hit the man's tin hat. I need it for study.
Keith, you are deliberatly misrepresenting what you
wrote to that archaelogists and then deliberately
misrepresenting what you are reporting back to this
list. You are asking the archaelogists if artifacts
made from LDG is illegal (Of course it is) and then
you show him this auction by Mark
It was a fun and spirited discussion about the
legality of trading in / owning prehistoric artifacts
composed of Libyan Desert Glass. Given that 1. it
is quite obvious that between I and some people, a
middle ground on this discussion doesn't exist; 2.
some people find my arguments as
(Stuart Perry to Harvey Nininger letter, Perry's File copy) May 25, 1953 (In registered parcel with specimen) Dear Harvey, Here is the little iron that you asked for in your letter of May 20. Answering your earlier letter of May 5, I have talked with Ed Henderson and he thinks he would like the
It was a fun and spirited discussion about the
legality of trading in / owning prehistoric
artifacts composed of Libyan Desert Glass.
NO IT WASNT. IT WAS A DISCUSSION WHERE YOU WERE TRYING
TO CONVINCE EVERYBODY THAT PICKING UP A FLAKE OF GLASS
IN THE DESERT WAS ILLEGAL AND YOU MISREPRESENTED A
Hi,
Assuming that hippocracy, like the word democracy, has Greek
roots, the actual meaning would be: a state ruled by horses, from
hippos, Greek for horse.
For a detailed picture of what such a land could be like, consult
Jonathon Swift's Gulliver's Travels. I think that at the very least
Thank you to everyone that typed me back.
You are right- highest offer up front then not to
worry...but I am also sure many of you have had
frustrations when this happens to you as I have.
I for one though will not do it to others in the
last few seconds intentionally out of courtesy and
Well I use sniping sometimes to avoid competative
bidding on popular meteorites. Some bidders at the end
loose their sense and just keep bidding till they win.
Sniping just allows me to not tip my hand that I'm
interested and I don't have to deal with the max bid
nibblers...
Kevin
--- [EMAIL
Kevin,
Your point about some bidders getting carried away reminds me of all the times I was actually relieved after being sniped!
Bill
-- Original message from Kevin Coppess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: -- Well I use sniping sometimes to avoid competative bidding on
dean bessey pounded out with his key caps stuck
as if he drunk an entire pot of Lousiana Community
Coffee in 2 minutes:
..ranting deleted...
WHAT EVIDENCE DO YOU HAVE THAT YOU
ARE BAISNG YOUR OPINION ON THAT
PICKING UP UNALTERED LDG IS ILLEGAL
In this case, you are the person very confused
Keith,
Keith, if you think this was fun I suggest you go bother some other list.
This list is for serious discussion, considered arguments and good natured
humor.
Your contributions on this topic were none of these.
Do it again? More of the same? Forget it!
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