Jerry F writes:
Cool Beans Doug! Always a great yarn spinner. This is what
I've learned often from your contributions to the list!
Jerry, May I recommend Zane Grey Western Novels to you - they are a giant
leap better than my comparatively anemic ramblings and even comic books, but
hit the
Jerry, FYI:
We made camp at Meteor Crater, one of the many wonders of this wonderland.
It was a huge hole in the earth over five-hundred feet deep, said to have
been made by a meteor burying itself there. Seen from the outside the slope
was
gradual up to the edges, which were scalloped
Dear Ron:
Interesting news! Thanks, Ron!
What is the subperigee point (long, lat) for 2004MN4
and at what exact time?
Are there graphical simulations?
Francis Graham
Yahoo! Mail
Stay connected, organized, and protected. Take the tour:
Hi Mr.Woolard, list
Thanks for the oportunity, because I have a question:
What are the hard criteria for to distinghuish from ot foe classifying a
stone as
Impact Melt Breccia
versus
pertological Type 7
versus
Primitive Achondrite
Until now I couldn't find nor anybody could give me an exact
http://www.spacerocksinc.com/May17.html
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Nice work Michael,it just gets better.Congrats Hanno on a beautiful meteorite.
Jim in sunny Ireland
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From: Notkin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Dear Listees:
I'd like to send a
Petrological type 7 is generally taken to be an extension of the
solid-state metamorphic sequence defined by Van Schmus and Wood
(1967). Mittlefehldt and Lindstrom (2001, Meteoritics Planetary Science,
vol. 36, no. 3, p. 439-457) endorsed this concept and specifically excluded
from type 7
Many thanks,
this was the most helpful answer I got until now.
(Ähem, can we place the ureilites somewhere there?)
Martin
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From: Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:33 PM
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On Sun, 15 May 2005 17:24:12 EDT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I need to add my support to Mark F and Darren's openminded interpretation of
your negative assessment of the (lack of) feasibility getting Lunar material
FOB Earth at a cost (mind you, not price) below $5000 per gram. The
so what are they calling portales?
i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Robert Woolard [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Portales Valley
Hi List, back in March of 2004, I made a lot of enemies on the list for
asking;
I have to ask, was Portales Valley classified as a H6 ordinary
chondrite because they were to lazy to make up a new classification? It
would seem to me that this unique meteorite deserves it's own group instead
of
Hello List,
Looks like the debate is still on. ;-)
In my post yesterday, I was careful to use the words
(highlighted below):
--- ... there is a distinct CHANCE the true
uniqueness of PV MAY soon be reflected in a POSSIBLE
new moniker for this intriguing meteorite.
--- In this detailed
ihave one that is 70% etched metal- i think i'm gonna break off the stone part and just call it and iron octahedrite and get rid of the guess work.
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Tom ,
I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for
reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks
about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as you
can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their hands,
I was the lazy editor of the MetBull when PV fell, so I can tell you the story.
Basically, two scientists were in communication with the NomCom during the
classification, Dave Kring and Alan Rubin. There were two schools of
thought on what to call it, and these were not really that far
apart.
Hi Bob,
I don't believe you were ever chided for questioning the need for
reclassifying, I believe the problem stemmed from your derogatory remarks
about those working (or not working, lazy, as you assert), on PV. AND as
you
can see now, work was being done, they were not sitting on their
Hi Everyone;
After reading this artice late last month I checked out some photos on
the Mars Rover web site
(http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/home/index.html) that were taken
during this period.
The image below is interesting as it reminds me of many daydreams I've
had while hiking the Algodones
Tom,
The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. Perhaps there was an error in
the initial classification, but obviously many people realized the need for
clarification and were quite diligent in their pursuits. This is an ongoing
process. I for one, thank Jeff Grossman for standing up and
Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading more books and papers and asking
a few less questions that are not really up to speed with the issues.
Dave
Bob Holmes wrote:
Tom,
The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine. Perhaps there was an
error in the initial classification, but obviously many
Hi Bob,
The word 'lazy' came from your post, not mine.
I know, sorry if I made it sound like you said it. I wanted to know if it
was laziness or what that stopped the study and labeled PV as an ordinary
chondrite.
Perhaps there was an error in the initial classification, but obviously
many
Tom said: just thought it was interesting that it may turn out I am
not as stupid after all.
And that would be where on a scale of one to ten?
David W. Freeman
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Dave
Maybe Tom could use the tip of reading more books and papers and asking
a few less questions that are not really up to speed with the issues.
Not up to speed with the issues, Robert Woolard just posted yesterday (may
17th) new info about PV and a possible new classification! How is it my
Hi Tom and List,
If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say
about the original classification? Was it wrong?
No.
Was it a rush to judgment?
No.
Did they not want to take the time out to study it enough to
properly classify it (lazy)?
No. It was studied. Everything
Dear List,
regarding the answer of Jeff Grossman to the question of Martin Altmann (H7
vs. PAC) I have some small remarks. When I had read the new MetBull, I
noticed some interesting classifications. The previous classifications of
NWA 2353, 2635 as H7 chondrite are obvious changed to a ungrouped
Hi Tom
It was stated in one of the earlier posts where it was published. The article
was published in Feb. issue of MAPS.
Here is an abstract of the article;
http://meteoritics.org/Abst_40-2.htm#Ruzicka
I'm not sure if the PV article is available for purchase. It might be and I can
check if
Tom,
I agree with Bob. Ask anyone who anxiously waited for the official
classification of Portales Valley to be released, and you will find that
with few exceptions, every one was shaking their heads in disbelief when
the announcement was made. I seriously doubt that anyone spoke negatively
Hi list!
I´m searching for every paper or book about ordinary chondrites and their
analysis. Very important for me are the opaque minerals (ores) and micro
probe analysis of H-type chondrites.
Also very important are microscopic data of the opaque minerals (like
reflectans and micro hardness).
Hola Tom,
No one said you are stupid (except your own post)! You are ruffling some
feathers because your comments seem to be too insensitive. Scientists -
which can include even you and me - normally have no problem being questioned
(well, sort of...), that is typically how progress is
If this proposed reclassification happens, what does this say about the
original classification?
Things are reclassified all the time. Mount Egerton was originally classified
as a mesosiderite, it is now an aubrite. Yilmia was an EL5 and is now an EL6.
There are lots of other examples. As
Shameless I am
no, in that context I want also call attention to the fine article of
Andrzej Pilski about Zaklodzie
in the very recent issue of the Meteorite Magazine,
where obviously the same problems occured with the classification and all
suggestions were made: EL6/7; IMB, PAC.
As there
Great post Doug,
Geeze, learning from othersinteresting concept!
Dave F.
(who is not proud tom, and is not a blogger participant ever) and would
like to see Mr. Tom get some help somewhere before he turns into a
paranoid schizophrenic!
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Hola Tom,
No one said you are
Geeze, learning from othersinteresting concept
That is why I ask the questions you don't like me asking! : )
Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier
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meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Tom
Hey list, like always, I can not post with out offending everyone! I never
called anyone lazy, I asked if they were being lazy when they classified PV
as an H6? I did not, and still don't fully understand the classification
process.
You all want me to learn this stuff with out asking questions,
The authors of the MAPS paper wrote:
Based on our work, it seems clear that the metal-sulfide and even the
silicate portion of the meteorite was partly melted, suggesting that the
petrographic grade of Portales Valley is higher than six. Considering
this likely partial melt origin for PV, the H
Tom and list,
Most of us have high respect for few meteoritic scientist we have. I dont
think anyone was balking at your question, but as another member noted, your
lack of sensitivity. There are correct ways to ask questions, and there are
incorrect.
Step back a minute and look at it from
Paper: Syracuse Herald Journal
City: Syracuse, New York
Date: Thursday, June 25, 1981
Page: A-11, National
Meteorites indicate Martian fragments
By PATRICK YOUNG
Newhouse News Service
WASHINGTON - Scientists studying four rare meteorites believe they may
be looking at stony fragments from one
Paper: Chronicle-Telegram
City: Elyria, Ohio
Date: Friday, July 4, 1980
Page: B-3
Cosmic ring made winters colder?
WASHINGTON (UPI) - Something happened 34 million years ago to send
winter temperatures plummeting around the world for at least a million years
while summer temperatures
Dear List,
This week I would like to announce two new Mesosiderites which are complete
opposites of one Another. The first on is NWA 3150 which is the most
iron-poor Mesosiderite I have ever seen. Elemental metal is actually rare
and with a TKW of only 136 grams there is not much to go around.
Hi Mark and List, my comments on PV and the lazy thing was back in March of
2004, and I had no idea who did the classification. I asked if they were
being lazy by not making up a knew class for the unique meteorite, I did not
say they were being lazy, I just did not understand how PV was an
Dear List,
Chondrules have been found in PV so why would it be called a Primitive
Achondrite or an H7? I read that complete chondrules were found within 2mm
of the metal veins raising significant questions about the cooling rate of
the metal. Some feel it would be impossible for a chondrule to
Hello list,
I am always adding navigation aids or pages to my website, however this one
is of more note then most.
I have added a people section to the newspaper archive in my website. Along
with Nininger, Monnig and the like, you can also find likes for more modern
meteorite people like Bob
Go to:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abstract_service.html
Type in portales valley (including quotes) and click the box 'require title
for selection'
Click the 'send query' button, and you got 32 papers on PV, most of which are
available full text. The background of the current reclassification
Come on Tom,
You should know by now that this is also the Whinerlist. Anything and
everything you write is subject to ridicule. And there is certainly a great
chance of offending atleast one list member regardless of what you write.
It seems like majority of the posts here on the list are
Hi All,
I received a post from Christian Anger today and my
reply was rejected.
If anyone knows his phone number, please contact me
off list.
Thanks, Michael
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Hi list.I am sorry to use the list this way,but my emails for craig are
coming back to me.I am looking for craig mcdonald concerning his meteorite
collection sale.Please get back to me if you can.
steve arnold, chicago
Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL,
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html
SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Observing 'Reef' - sol 477-482, May 17, 2005
Spirit remains in excellent health. On sols 477, 478 and 479 (May 7 to
May 9, 2005), Spirit made observations with remote-sensing instruments
and analyzed soil targets with its
Hi Adam.
Curious as to the weathering grades of your two new mesos. Any information
is certainly appreciated.
Thanks!
Frank
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Neatoo!! How'd you do that?? Jerry
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Uuh 25-50$?? If it's one from the 10 paired mesos a la 1882, which als has
sometimes immense large metal blobs,
you can find it at 4.50$-8$/g e.g. at Stefan The Eye Ralew.
Btw. etched such blobs can show tiny Neumann Lines.
Privjet!
Martin
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Hello all-
Forwarding the below message as requested
Rob Wesel
http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com
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On Tue, 17 May 2005 21:35:44 -0500, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi,
http://makeashorterlink.com/?B38F2271B
Brain teaser. The nearest crater is not a crater shape (a cone), but a
bowl-shaped depression surrounded by a nearly flat rim that is distinct from
the surrounding
It's nice to know someone is watching over us.
JKG
At 04:50 PM 5/17/2005, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
List/Craig:
Don't give him the e-mail! Please don't do it! If SSTteevvEE Stormbringer
buys the collection, we will be inundated with multiple e-mails from our
favorite uber-shrewd businessman as he
http://earthquake.usgs.gov/recenteqs/ For those of you looking for
something interesting! This site shows up to date, daily and weekly
quake locations.
Being near Yellowstone, I find this site interesting. Most of you in CA
would see some interesting things as well.
Best,
Dave F.
Hello Dean, John and list,
Dean posted photos of his new Meso.
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/mesround1.jpg
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/ebay/mesround2.jpg
John noted, Reminds me of Morristown.
Good eye John, it looks just like the Morristown in my collection. Shown in
an old photo on the
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