Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread Alexander Seidel
2008TC3 at 2 to 5 meters diameter must have weighed between 10 and 150 metric tons. The four kilos recovered would suggest a minimum loss of 99.96%. Of course, there could just as easily been 40 kilos of which only 10% was recovered (99.6% loss). Or 400 kilos of which only 1% was recovered

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2009-12-04 Thread Gary Fujihara
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Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread Chris Peterson
I didn't say semantic tweaks don't matter... I only said that their need depends on how the question is phrased. The examples you give describe variations in physical conditions, not semantics. As I also noted in my original post, there has to be a very wide variation in reality, making it

[meteorite-list] TC3 show and an observation

2009-12-04 Thread STARSANDSCOPES
Hi List, I watched the National Geographic's Naked Science: Countdown to Impact which is the story of asteroid/meteorite TC3. What caught my attention was the diversity of material within the samples collected. After a few years of weathering, would all those stones even be thought to

Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread Richard Kowalski
That paper is available for free on Google Docs here: http://tinyurl.com/yl7bvbg -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 12/4/09, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: From: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread Richard Kowalski
Sorry for my poorly formed query. I certainly did not mean that we'd include meteoroids that were so small that they completely burned up before becoming meteorites on the surface. I figured that was a given. My mistake. Yes and I did try to be a bit subtle in my query and ask about an

[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 4, 2009

2009-12-04 Thread Michael Johnson
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Re: [meteorite-list] TC3 show and an observation

2009-12-04 Thread Greg Stanley
Tom: Very interesting point.  As you may know, many of the meteorites found on Dry Lakes are different, ranging from H3 - H6, L3 - L6 and even some LL's.  I'm not a specialist but I've thought the same.  If a large asteroid (or meteor) exploded above the area, of what is now a dry lake,

Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread Richard Kowalski
A quick search of ADS, which i probably should have done in the first place, reveals only two papers on this and this one: DEPTH DEPENDENCE OF 22Ne/21Ne IN ORDINARY CHONDRITES AND ABLATION OF METEORITES V.A. Alexeev, Vernadsky Institute of Geochemistry and Analytical Chemistry, Russian Academy

[meteorite-list] Just change the gravitational constant of the universe!

2009-12-04 Thread Darren Garrison
But, since John de Lancie isn't handy: http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/12/asteroid-deflection-tether/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+wired%2Findex+%28Wired%3A+Index+3+%28Top+Stories+2%29%29 To Deflect an Asteroid, Try a Lasso, Not a Nuke * By Adam Mann *

Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Hi, All, Chris said: If you are asking how much of a meteorite's parent body was lost, there's no problem; it's never 100%. It is only in asking how much of a meteoroid survives ablation that you have to deal with the fact that it's usually 0%. That encapsulates two ways of looking at this

Re: [meteorite-list] Just change the gravitational constant of the universe!

2009-12-04 Thread Richard Kowalski
Yep, there are many creative ideas on how to deflect an NEO that is found on an impacting orbit. Many, but far from all of them are described if you follow the many dramatic proposals link in that article. Thought many sound interesting, if you discuss the issue with most of the experts in the

Re: [meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 - NatGeo TV

2009-12-04 Thread Richard Kowalski
Thanks Greg and everyone who has contacted me about the show on or off list. I'm glad you enjoyed it. I'm sure most of the footage from everyone interviewed ended up on the cutting room floor. They shot a lot more footage at Mt. Lemmon. The total time was about 13 hours of effort that day. For

[meteorite-list] HUGE Chondrule Status - Relisted Lower

2009-12-04 Thread Greg Hupe
Dear List Members, I had a number of folks contact me asking what the status of the meteorite with the HUGE Chondrule was. NWA 5486 did not sell at my initial asking price so I loaded it back on eBay and slashed the starting price to almost half of what I was first offering it at. With well

Re: [meteorite-list] Just change the gravitational constant of the universe!

2009-12-04 Thread Darren Garrison
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:24:37 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Thought many sound interesting, if you discuss the issue with most of the experts in the field, they'll pretty much all concede that the most likely method to be used will be one or more nuclear weapons used in stand off mode even if they

Re: [meteorite-list] Zamanshin impact and Homo Heidelbergensis

2009-12-04 Thread E.P. Grondine
Hi - While this is far from meteorites, it does concern impacts, and specifically the Zamanshin impact. I received grief for using the term Homo Heidelbergensis in my book for this fellow, even though I added in a footnote that the taxonomy was confused:

Re: [meteorite-list] Just change the gravitational constant of the universe!

2009-12-04 Thread Carl 's
Hi Darren, All, Since it's nearly impossible to do the KYAGB manuever yourself, maybe figuring a plan on getting acquainted with a super model instead. Best way to go, I think. Carl Darren wrote: I'll have to disagree with the experts there-- I think the most likely and viable approach is

Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread cdtucson
Chris, Again, With all due respect. How can you say semantic tweaks don't matter? Semantics are everything. I know he asked about chondrites but they do vary in density. What if it is Iron vs, very low density like a CI1? What if it is huge vs. tiny? What if it is traveling at a super fast speed

Re: [meteorite-list] How much survives entry?

2009-12-04 Thread cdtucson
Richard, Very nice show tonight. I recorded it so I can watch again. You were very very good! You are (the) ultimate meteorite hunter. Congrats. I'm pretty sure it has been stated on this list that the amount burned up in passage through the atmosphere depends on so many different factors that

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2009-12-04 Thread Greg Catterton
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