Found this after the Google Search thread going on here.
Hmmm. You see many if any meteorites at this site?
http://www.ghostweb.com/meteorite.html#nuggets
Regards,
Jim _heading for Tucson...
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Hi Steve and List,
Thanks for posting the link to your very informative video. Congratulations on
what must be one of the all time best sniping incidents on EBay. You do have
the real deal.
Listers might not know that the international auction house, Sothebys,
auctioned dust from a Russian
Strange,
why such a stir on the list, when a person with zero references dumps a
piece of cat litter as Apollo sample on ebay?
Such stories are stone-old. Already in the 1980ies material was circulating,
where sellers claimed them to be Apollo stuff, with similar stories a la my
grandma had a
Ref: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/JohnstownBV7_26g.jpg
Regarding Lot 58 BV 2 Johnstown (DIOGENITE)
in Michael Blood's Tucson 2011 Auction
I've been getting a lot of response about this little whole individual,
primarily about provenance, and what with the auction going to occur in
Martin,
Obviously this eBay auction is not genuine material.
But, everybody knows there is a lot of real material out there that was given
away. The question is . How much? And in what form?
One thing is certain. It was not distributed on an old piece of carpeting.
The ones I have seen are very
Has anyone contacted the seller with the Apollo Moon Rock or if they have
did they get a response back from him? I would think that since he has 100%
feedback and has 4.8 out of 5 on Item as Described and 4.9 of 5 on
Communication, Shipping Time and Shipping and handling charges that he might
Brian, You are misinformed. EBay does require return and proof of return before
granting and releasing refunds.
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Carl or Debbie Esparza
Meteoritemax
Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
Has anyone contacted the seller with the Apollo Moon Rock or if they have
did they get
p.s. Sorry, folks, on the Apollo Moon rock, I meant to also say that
perhaps he's selling it for someone else, which seems to be common these
days and he has no idea of the rules and regulations of Not owning or Not
selling a NASA moon rock. Also, he may have been conned into buying it and
p.s.s. I need to correct my previous statement about the refunds on eBay. I
just called eBay and was told if an item is $50 or less, the eBay rep said
they will pay the buyer the amount and let them keep the item, just to avoid
time and hassles. This means eBay is footing the amount, and it
Yes, Count, I remember that day in December two years ago when I won it. My
heart was beating fast as I watched the seconds go expecting this piece of tape
jumping from hundreds to thousands in the last seconds.
2 seconds before closing I placed my bid...
I could not believe it... I sniped it
Steve,
Where is the beef
Sure , we would all love to have what you have but , what is the difference
between what you have and anybody else?
Say, I was the king of England and my good buddy the President of the USA gave
me a genuine moon rock. And he did give away plenty.
I decide to sell it on
The seller is on dangerous legal ground.
I doubt so.
Note, that Carl's They (gosh, I vehemently argue that there is at all a
they. Without the postulate of a we and a they no new Tea-party would
be possible).
well note that the auction of the adhesive tape with the Apollo dust in the
1980ies,
Proof that NASA can seize Apollo Lunar material:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-092599a.html
There are some other cases as well.
Steve Schoner
cdtucson at cox.net cdtucson at cox.net
Fri Feb 4 11:04:56 EST 2011
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I believe this is the only court case involving moon rocks:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/usvmoonrock.pdf
Phil Whitmer
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Carl,
There is no beef. Florian Noller president of Spaceflori that purchased
the Terry Slezak's lunar dust tape went through the legal ropes years ago.
And he did so to be on the up and up before he sectioned the tape for
distribution through his company that is well known as a space
Hi Folks,
I am suspending all sales of Apollo Moon Rocks until further notice. ;)
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Hi all,
We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This is the
location from where Geoff and Steve be hosting the Birthday Bash and
Nininger Awards ( at 7 P.M. tonight)
Anyway take a look - It's working great!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm
Take a look and send
I couldn't find any specific statutes or codicils specifically prohibiting
the ownership of Nasa moon rocks. I don't believe there is one. According to
Wikipedia such a law doesn't exist. The Honduran case was about a customs
violation. They might be able to get you on theft chages since the
Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great. This
should set a new standard for technology with the meteorite community
at the Tucson Show!!!
Best,
John Gwilliam
At 11:13 AM 2/4/2011, Ruben Garcia wrote:
Hi all,
We are testing the live feed from the Sky Bar right now. This
Hi all,
we had 20 people from all over the world say it was good! see ya tonight!
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, John Gwilliam j...@cox.net wrote:
Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great. This should set
a new standard for technology with the meteorite community at the
Well there we have it.
This case showed that the material was obtained illegally and therefore seized
and forfeited by our US Government.
But, it does not apply to sales of Moon material that were obtained legally.
Statute 19 USC.
As is the case with some of the ones given by President Nixon.
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/02/04/breaking-sofa-sized-asteroid-gives-us-a-close-shave/
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I posted the following to their blog:
What's particularly interesting about the path of 2011 CQ1 is that it
will transit the sun as seen from a narrow swath across the Pacific
Ocean,
Chile, Argentina and the south Atlantic. Unfortunately, the transit path
is south of all the big observatories in
A careful reading of entries in the Congressional Record would support the
following:
All specimens brought back from the Apollo missions are owned by the U.S.
Government, and are under the purview of NASA. Some few samples were given out
during that period as 'good will' gifts. These were to
This case Phil references seems to me could apply to illegally
imported meteorites and would allow the US Gov. to seize them legally?
Scary! If the No innocent owner clause does not apply to meteorites
you cannot claim ignorance?
Simple solution to that problem - when the government shows up to
Upon looking at this auction again, I am now suspecting that this sample might
be the real thing. That label appears to be a NASA control label specific to
space materials, which in this case is the supposed moon rock.
My question now is this... There appears to be a small photo of the
How fun! Next best thing to being there!
Hi all,
we had 20 people from all over the world say it was good! see ya tonight!
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 11:35 AM, John Gwilliam j...@cox.net wrote:
Just linked up to Ruben's live feed and it's working great. This should
set
a new standard for
Hello Listers,
POP QUIZ!!!
The name of the game
Be the 10th Lister to email me off the List with the correct answer and you
will win a free NWA 1836 fragment that I bought from Steve Arnold aka Meteorite
Men.
Question:
In what year was the first Tucson Gem and Mineral show in?
Have fun :)
Not so and there is no need to de-label your lunars because the government
might confiscate them.
But... Should you re-label them as authentic Apollo 11-17 recovered lunar
samples and attempt to sell them as such...
Then you will have some legal issues with NASA and the law to deal with.
In
Greetings,
5 hours to pick up some bargins on rare items like Lost City, HED Meteorite
Kit, Nice Slice of EL Hammami with crust at about 1/3 the price I see
advertised on websites, Oriented Millbillillie and many other nice
specimens. See link below and thank you for your bids.
--AL
Not so fast. That label is distributed freely to many equipment and
material suppliers to JPL and other NASA affiliates. I received a bunch
of those stickers when I was developing a fan used on the International
Space Station. I now have that sticker on my telescope case.
Just because he
David,
Not to beat a dead horse but, we are talking about legal precedents here.
How can you (NASA) give something away and have it still technically be
theirs? I know you are talking about Congress so, these absurd scenario's
exist but, really? They still own it? I seriously doubt that would
Hi all,
We are here early making sure everything is working for tonights
Birthday Bash and Harvey Awards. Come join us as we will be live until
the end. We're here for the duration!
Come in watch and chat!
http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm
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Rock On!
Ruben Garcia
Website:
Where is the law that says that is illegal?
You can sell, whatever you want, as long as you're the legal owner of it.
So you don't need a special law,
because no private person - aside from the mentioned dust from the equipment
of the Apollo mission -
ever became legal owner of an Apollo rock.
Martin,
Had you been following this thread you would know that their has yet to be a
court case to determine whether a private individual may or may not legally own
an Apollo lunar rock. Steve and Phil have both pointed out such cases where
two different people have claimed to own and tried to
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news170.html
Very Small Asteroid Makes Close Earth Approach on February 4, 2011
Don Yeomans and Paul Chodas
NASA/JPL Near-Earth Object Program Office
February 4, 2011
[diagram]
Asteroid 2011 CQ1 was discovered by the Catalina Sky Survey on February 4
and
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
January 31 - February 4, 2011
o Linear Ridges (31 January 2011)
http://themis.asu.edu/node/5565
o Dunes (01 February 2011)
http://themis.asu.edu/node/5566
o Kaiser Crater Dunes (02 February 2011)
http://themis.asu.edu/node/5567
o Bahram Vallis (03 February
Hi Carl,
That isn't the question, because:
In most states of laws,
the transfer of ownership can only happen, if a person acquires a thing from a
person, who was the rightful owner before.
So it's not the question of import laws, if the sample of Honduras was stolen.
Or whether a sample can be
Did we just loose the feed guys?
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Happy birthday to Geoff and Steve and many thanks to Ruben for putting the live
feed together. It was fun!
My best,
Thomas
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Hi List,
I hope you will indulge me with regard to this email concerning a
full-circle, or pay-it-forward, moment I was so happy to be a small part of.
Back in early December, I was contacted by a self-described amateur weekend
meteorite hunter named Del Waterbury. He explained that he
Kudos to Ruben, that was a blast! Thanks for all the hard work to him and the
others who set up and managed the live streaming chat! It added a whole new
dimension to the party! It was a packed house too! I'm now looking forward to
the auction Saturday night and John Blennert's talk on
Mark,
Thanks for the shout out. And a big thanks to Ruben for the time and effort he
brought to bring our little shin dig to all those that couldn't make it out
this year.
We are so blessed to be a part of this great community.
A huge congrats goes out to this year's Harvey Award winners.
It was great to see it live, IN PERSON for the first time! Mahalo to
Ruben and the crew for broadcasting it and to Steve and Geoff for
hosting a great Birthday Bash! I'm looking forward to one more day of
visiting showrooms and talking story with everyone.
Aloha!
Matt Martin
Meteorite
Many thanks to Ruben for broadcasting the Birthday Bash. It was the next
best thing to actually being there.
A big Happy Birthday to Geoff and Steve. May you both have many, many more.
Regards,
Dave Carothers
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An interesting aside: Correo and Suwanee Spring were the first
meteorites I classified. I went looking for more specimens one hot
summer day back in 1979 or 1980 but found nothing.
Alan Rubin
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Hi List,
I hope you will indulge me with
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