To sell the Apollo rocks? Have you taken leave of your senses?!?
Those rocks, which the heroes of my youth brought back, risking their lives,
and in the greatest technical adventure of all times??
You're all watching too much TV! Too much science fiction!
We can't go around in the solar system
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From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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And Richard, who says, that NASA wouldn't buy meteorites?
Nasa consists of hundreds of departments - of course if you address to the
janitor, he won't buy a meteorite.
Hi Richard,
only to clarify - I wanted to express, that the strange notion that
individuals feel entitled, qua their occupation with such things, that
objects from outer space (in the truest meaning of the word, truly
xenoliths) falling on a natural way down to Earth and which are searched
for
Hi Michael,
It may have been the one I posted last week?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rev8vHjBq88
Cheers,
Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au
Vice President - I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.imca.cc
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From: Michael Bross elemen...@peconic.net
To: E.P.
G'day John,
Very interesting article... thanks. It reminds me of a story I saw a while
back. One of the things that is under-development for the return to the moon
is a spray that can go onto just about anything. It's one of those
remarkable developments where nature was used as the
Jason says:
You may well be right, but since troilite is typically present in
rather minor concentrations in most meteorites, I have the feeling
that they are not depleted in it relative to most other types...but I
could be wrong.
So, troilite is always pyrrhotite, but pyrrhotite isn't always
I certainly don't think NASA should sell all the moon rock, but I don't see any
harm in selling off a few very carefully selected waste pieces (currently they
even count back and store all the waste dust from cutting losses!), there must
be a large amount of material that is contaminated by
Hi Mark,
I estimate we probably could fund an automatic sample return mission to
both mars [and] to the moon, just for the 'cost' of a few off cut Apollo
lunar chunks..
Well the cost estimation of an automatic Mars sample return mission, then a
cooperation between NASA ESA - a rover probing
Hi Pete,
What about an LL -- with some desert weathering? The low-low metal can
be converted to small Fe-oxides or veins.
I recently classified Northwest Africa 6588 (LL6-an), that had only
trace amounts of Fe-Ni metal. The ubiquitous sulfides present are
pendlandite and stoichiometric pyrite.
Richard, James, very cool ... and especially being a witness of history
in the making for you guys ...
Does anyone know if these tiles show any signs of fusion (Is there
evidence of a fusion crust in this material or is is so structurally
pure and aerodynamically designed that a tile in
Hello Laurence, Doug, All,
From an NAU site about R-chondrites:
sulfide rich: pyrrhotite and pentlandite very common, minor troilite;
pentlandite commonly contains Cr up to 2 wt%, troilite may contain Ni
up to 3 wt%
http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Rumuruti.html
Which raised the
Thank you very much Jeff !
I was first going to answer privately, but I want to share
my irritation with the list.
I cannot believe that I got a private complain about my question !
This list is really a pretty good mirror of our ever increasing aggressive
world...
A list where the Delete
Hi Arnaud,
Atacama is the current synonym of Imilac (London NHM Catalog- Grady et al).
See:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?code=12025
Look at the end of the writeup for all other synonyms of Imilac.
Perou is not mentioned...(see below)
Note that Copiapo is another meteorite
Personally I completely disagree with the cost estimate of 5-8 billion, a
simple small robotic sample mission really ought to be not too difficult
(Russia did Lunar sample return on a total shoestring in the 60's). I would
send a simple, small lander, grab some rocks in a scoop then take off
Dear List Members,
I have three sets of auctions due to end today and tomorrow including some
larger planetary pieces. You will probably at least want to check out the
outstanding auctions ending later today. You will find examples worth several
hundred dollars started out at just 99
Having been in charge of the Apollo Collection as well as the other
collections at NASA Johnson Space Center (JSC) from 1998-2002, here is
my take on this discussion. One of the main goals of curation at JSC
is preserving the collection for posterity and for future study with
instruments not yet
Cheers! I agree completely with your post! Even if we went to the moon today
and retrieved a ton of rocks. They would still not be Apollo moon rocks. When I
first visited the space center in Houston I was upset there were no display of
all the moon rocks. they have capsules, space
Wow ! Nice links, James. Still aren't clear what the heat-exposed
surface looks like on a microscopic scale after use, but it certainly
sounds on paper like the tiles are near perfectly resistant/stable. Can
you imagine an artificial bolide made of a sphere of this material?
My favorite size,
Hi Carl and List,
Thanks for your perspective Carl. When framed in that context,
selling the Apollo rocks does seem a bit silly.
However, would the same Liberty Bell comparison hold true for ANSMET
specimens? There must be some leftovers or crumbs from the ANSMET
collection that would fetch a
List,
Of course, it would have to be done tastefully and respectfully, so
it would seem too commercial.
Typographical error. I meant to say so it would NOT seem too commercial.
Best regards,
MikeG
On 6/27/11, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Carl and List,
Thanks for
Furthermore, I
doubt if many Americans would be in favor of cutting up pieces of the
Declaration of Indepence or chunks of the Liberty Bell to sell as high
priced souvenirs, or sell off tracts of Yellowstone Park to reduce our
nation's debt.
Obama hasn't thought about
What all is included in the ANSMET collection, are they all ALH?
--
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
IMCA#9052
http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1
Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
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Hi Carl and List,
Thanks for your perspective Carl. When framed in that
Hi Carl,
Atacama is not mentioned as synonym for North Chile in the MetBull
database:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meteor/metbull.php?sea=north+chilesfor=namesants=falls=valids=stype=containslrec=50map=gebrowse=country=Allsrt=namecateg=Allmblist=Allrect=phot=snew=0pnt=Normal%20tablecode=17001
Hi all,
I have a 4.61g slice of Gujba available for sale at a good price :-)
Please see link below if interested:
4.61g slice of Gujba. Rare Bencubbinite
(http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250846041092ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT)
I am open to offers and if off ebay may well
Mark, List,
Go Get Your Own Moon Rocks!
What? You say you can't afford a small intra-planetary
vehicle, a little robot to go to the Moon and collect a few
kilos of Moon Rocks for you?
No problemo.
Then what you need is is to buy a share of a private
space company's Lunar Return Mission,
Can we please refrain from bringing politics into meteorites, unless the
politician in question is actively doing something for or against our hobby?
Mahalo,
Tracy Latimer
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 15:52:58 -0400
From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;
Ah, a nerve has been touched. Now, the downhill slide begins!
-Original Message-
From: tracy latimer daist...@hotmail.com
Sent: Jun 27, 2011 4:52 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Apollo Moon Rock Collection
Can we please refrain from
List:
I was wondering if anyone can ID a meteorite type solely on the fusion crust;
like drinking different cokes or holding agate nodules and identifying the ones
that are geodes.
Imagine a number of half-cut meteorites on a table (cut-face down); could you
ID the types of meteorite, and
Actually, ALL politicians impact the collection of planetary and asteroidal
meteorites. By giving away billions in public assistance to poor people and
even more billions in corporate welfare to rich people, money is diverted
from meteorite collection. No one will return to the moon as long as
http://www.space.com/-private-moon-trips-forecast.html
Dear fellow listers, for only 100 million dollars you can go to the moon and
gather your own Lunar specimens. It could be a very profitable enterprise. But
the rumor mill has it that China will be going to the Moon next. If you go
In fact, NASA already IS part of the Dept. of Defense. With a quick check of
NASA's charter, it clearly defines that NASA operates officially under
Dept. of Defense jurisdiction.
If you will recall, remember all of the Shuttle DOD missions flown during
the 1980's. These were all missions
Hi List,
today the story of Gary and Lahcen Ait Ha came to an end ..verything is alright
and fixed..As he promised,Lahcen Ait Ha has brought back Gary`s money to me
today.
So,Gary show us your smile,please :-)
So i would like to thank my Moroccan friends(Aziz Habibi and Ali Oulmah) who
Thanks to Michael, Doug, Mike, Carl, LeeAnn, Richard, Rob, Murray and Zelimir
for their quick and kind replies to my request for help.
#2 has been unanimously identified as IMILAC on the base of the external aspect
which, according to the many pictures found on the web, is quite recognizable.
Kirk...
In fact, NASA already IS part of the Dept. of Defense. With a quick check of
NASA's charter, it clearly defines that NASA operates officially under
Dept. of Defense jurisdiction.
uh, no. NASA was expressly set up to be a civilian agency. the NATIONAL
AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ACT OF
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-195
New Animation Depicts Next Mars Rover in Action
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
June 24, 2011
Although NASA's Mars Science Laboratory will not leave Earth until late
this year nor land on Mars until August 2012, anyone can watch those
dramatic
Auction on the two NWA whole stones closes in about
5 1/2 hrs.
5 bids on
1.16Kg Unidentified NWA
With the current bid at $325, requiring a $350-
bid to take it.
One bid on
951.48g NWA 6852 (LL6) main mass
Current bid at $650- requiring a bid of $675- to
take it.
SEE BOTH
Hi Edwin, Sterling, and List,
I love a good science-fiction, science-fact, trip into speculation
land. It reminds me of the old pulp sci-fi novels from the 50's and
60's that I have read, with rocketships and moon bases.
Cosmic rays are not the only threat, there are also micro-meteorites
and
Carl, and List,
THIS is why and how I am proud to be part of this List discussion group.
Between the banter and sometimes painful childish rancor, the gems show up.
To the point: when we consider posterity and the opportunity for future
study of things not yet even concieved, let alone
I stand partially corrected. Although designated, perhaps as a civilian
agency by the 1958 decree, NASA still must operate within under the
defense security act of the Dept. of Defense.
Kirk.
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From: Kelly Beatty jkellybea...@comcast.net
To: 'Becky and Kirk'
...and adendum to my last post:
I am, though, very interested to hear more from your colleagues, Carl.
Ted?
What are the opinions of this? A vast source of study. (I have no idea who
has access to what.)
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From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com
To: Carl
Well done Said, Aziz, and Ali!
On 12:28:47 am 06/28/11 Said Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com wrote:
Hi List,
today the story of Gary and Lahcen Ait Ha came to an end ..verything
is alright and fixed..As he promised,Lahcen Ait Ha has brought back
Gary`s money to me today. So,Gary show us your
Bravo!!
Kirk..
- Original Message -
From: ma...@imagineopals.com
To: Said Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lahcen Ait Ha and Gary
Well done Said, Aziz, and Ali!
On 12:28:47
Video of 2011MD against background stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjbA21jjsc
The pass was at 7600 miles (instead of the
predicted 7500 miles) and it was 3.5 hours
late from the predicted time.
Mr. Newton could not be reached for comment.
Sterling K. Webb
Hi All,
I'm sure Sterling is well aware of this, but it's worth pointing
out to the masses that 2011 MD wasn't late. People are simply guilty
of blindly believing their favorite piece of software, apparently
ignorant of the limitations of non-integrating propagation. When an
asteroid is well
Great news!
---
-Melanie MetMel - avid meteorite collector/enthusiast from Canada!
IMCA#: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7.
- Original Message
From: ma...@imagineopals.com ma...@imagineopals.com
To: Said Haddany mfcollec...@yahoo.com
Cc:
Sorry for all of my typos - I meant to say :
Well taken, and I agree. Part of their mission was to retrieve lunar
samples, but imagine how many meteorites could be found if a team was
put on to the lunar surface with the primary focus of finding
meteorites and ignoring native lunar materials.
As far as I can tell, bulk Apollo lunar material is studied by the NASA
Lunar Science Institute. The guys that do the hands on work are known as the
Lunar Exploration and Analysis Group or LEAG. One of the scientists doing
analysis of moon rocks here at the University of Notre Dame uses the new
pertinent features near Campbell Mountain, studied by Dennis Cox, by
his house in Fresno, CA: Rich Murray 2011.06.27
http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.htm
Monday, June 27, 2011
[at end of each long page, click on Older Posts]
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/87
[you
I would love to get my hands on a tile also!!
--
Stuart McDaniel
Lawndale, NC
IMCA#9052
http://www.facebook.com/Stuart.McDaniel.No.1
MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote:
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Richard, James, very cool ... and especially being a witness of history
in the making for you guys ...
Wow ! Nice links, James. Still aren't clear what the heat-exposed
surface looks like on a microscopic scale after use, but it certainly
sounds on paper like the tiles are near perfectly resistant/stable. Can
you imagine an artificial bolide made of a sphere of this material?
My favorite size,
Arnaud,
According to Bob Haag's Field Guide Of Meteorites in both the 10th and 12th
editions Bob lists the number 1 meteorite as Atacama, North Chile and says it
is a Hexaheddrite. Based on this info and Bob's vast amount of experience.
If I wanted a piece of Atacama , I would be looking for a
Hi all, I normally don't ask about these things because I can look it up
onlin. However, I'm writing an article, am in a time crunch, and need a
bit of quick help here finding the appropriate information.
I need to know how deeply cosmic rays penetrate into the body of any
given meteoroid,
Whoops! Actually, I was the late one. The orbital
elements for 2011 MD were updated several days
ago.
http://www.projectpluto.com/2011md.htm
The closest approach was re-calculated for not
13:30 UTC but 17:00 UTC and the point of closest
approach projected on the Earth shifted by some
50
Hello Eric,
First and most importantly, I would not talk about a cosmic ray being
absorbed and leave the term absorbed for energy in its many form. Keep
in mind so called 'cosmic rays' are really nano-meteoroids that the
NOMCOM hasn't gotten around to classifying ;-): particles, ions, and
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