Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same group of stones. EL6, two
stones and same classifiers. I don't get it ...
Mendy Ouzillou
On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks
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Hi Bulletin Watchers,
There are a handful of new approvals -
Why is this a problem? -jeff
On 2/16/2013 9:46 PM, Mendy Ouzillou wrote:
Why are two consecutive numbers assigned to the same group of stones. EL6, two
stones and same classifiers. I don't get it ...
Mendy Ouzillou
On Feb 16, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks
Hello everyone -
I got to watch the Russian videos before all the pop tunes and colorful Russian
expressions were removed. The sanitized compilations are simply not as good. I
would have preferred subtitles being added to them instead.
One of the interesting things is that releases of binding
Hi all -
For some reason, everyone seems to think that 2012 DA14 had no debris floating
around it, while every close up we've ever seen of any small body has shown
debris on its surface and/or cratering.
Now if instead of using a point solution, which is adequate for most tracking
purposes,
Hi Bjorn,
Okay, let's try this from a solar perspective since it seems you don't like
the geocentric perspective. 2012 DA14 is an Amor that has its aphelion
at just under 1 a.u., and its perihelion at about 0.83 a.u. At the time of
its encounter with earth, it's longitude of ascending node was
Because as I read it the data for both specimens are the same within the
margin of error and the two specimens should share one number.
M
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A list member kindly pointed out that there was more than a few seconds
deleted from this video. I didn't look at the minutes figure.
The meteor is overhead at 43:06 and the shockwave arrives at 44.34.
So this puts the altitude about three times the 8.7km estimated by Bob
Matson. From:
88 seconds . . .
From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_sound#Altitude_variation_and_implications_for_atmospheric_acoustics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Comparison_US_standard_atmosphere_1962.svg
Sticking with the 310 metre/sec guesstimate of Bob Matson, 88 seconds
gives us 27.3
I haven't heard officially if anything of this meteorite was ever recovered.
Wondering if this meteorite completely evaporated during its explosive entry
much like the Tunguska event. Divers did check the lake and found nothing
but were they scientist divers, Govt. assigned divers, or ametauer
Meteoroids don't implode, they explode. That occurs at whatever point
the stress they experience from the ram pressure on their forward face
exceeds their material strength. There is nothing special about a height
of 5 km; disruption can occur anywhere from 100 km high to the ground.
In the
I'm surprised you're interested in meteorites, since you clearly lack
even the most basic understanding of meteor radiants- and clearly are
unwilling to learn from people who actually know something.
Chris
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Hi Robin,
Okay -- a minute and 28 seconds is quite a bit more normal.
Now we're talking about an altitude between 25 and 30 km.
With this higher altitude, the average temperature drops so
the average speed of sound will also. Call it around 305 m/sec.
That puts the range at just under 27 km, so
Could the pink red colour be a reflection of the sun? It usually happens during
sunrise/sunset when airplane contrails turn pink and red.
On 17 Feb, 2013, at 7:25, Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D. nick.gess...@duke.edu
wrote:
Hi Rob et al,
I've spent several hours searching for different video
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Santa Rosa
Contributed by: Guy Heinen
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I would think there would be more objects trailing a (small) asteroid, yes.
But what forces releases a smaller fragment from an asteroid/meteoroide?
Rotation, tension in the rock, gas release underneath? Some of these forces
could
be strong and send them forwards with some speed.
I'm not shure
Greetings,
Roving Reporter missed the meteor that landed near Blaine's room.
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Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: New Fall !!
Contributed by: Roving Reporter
http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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And Kloster Schäftlarn has wrong coordinates,
it lies a little to the South of Munich.
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A couple problems.
I suppose you mean the Meteoritical Society, not the Meteorological Society,
since we are talking about meteorites not weather.
Also, there should be a red dot in
Following more links from the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Russian_meteor_event
leads to an analysis of the trajectory of the meteor and how it differs
from that of 2012 DA14:
http://kaira.sgo.fi/2013/02/are-2012-da14-and-chelyabinsk-meteor.html
From a comment at
Anne,
Not sure what the problem is. I just cut and pasted the description
from the Guardian web page so that people can decide if they want to
follow the link or not.
Am sure they'd appreciate your feedback.
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:
A couple
What's wrong with this picture. Sonic booms (multiple) , close to earth.
Incandescing (multiple). Fits a manmade object-not a meteorite. Nels
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And the Libyan Desert Glass is in the wrong place! ;)
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Anne,
Not sure what the problem is. I just cut and pasted the description
from the Guardian web page so that people can decide if they want to
follow the link or not.
Am sure they'd
I'm talking about two different trajectories. Different inclinations,
different semimajor axes, (very) different eccentricities, (very)
different geocentric velocities. There is no plausible mechanism for
ending up with two pieces of the same body in such radically different
orbits- it would
Hi Anne, Rich, all,
Anne, but there IS a nice red spot in the middle of Ensisheim city!
Just enlarge the map by rolloing the mouse! (like on Google Map).
And you bet, I did so, regarding Ensisheim meteorite.
And to my surprise, the spot (at high magnification) is neither
situated in the
My goodness. What is it about a meteor that brings so many crazies out
of the woodwork?
Chris
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On 2/16/2013 6:41 AM, noakes wrote:
What's wrong with this picture. Sonic booms (multiple) , close to
Two Words - Wealth and Fame.
Apparently, meteorites are the key to both, according to television
and government. ;)
Best regards,
MikeG
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After meteor strike, Russian experts reflect by
Sergei L. Loiko Los Angeles Times, February 16, 2013
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-wn-fg-chelyabinsk-meteor-lessons-20130216,0,4643856.story
Freezing Russians begin repairing windows
shattered by fiery meteor blast CNN News,
Scientist Gets Research Donations From Crowd Funding
by Joe Palca, Morning Edition, NPR, February 14, 2013
http://www.npr.org/2013/02/14/171975368/scientist-gets-research-donations-from-crowdfunding
Scientists Look To The Internet To Raise Research Funds
by Joe Palca, Morning Edition, NPR,
Far less important, but a fall nonethelessNovato is missing
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:04 AM
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Hi List. Wow like fly's on sh#$. Like ants coming out of the wood work.
Scammers and thieves.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ground-near-fall-meteorite-Russia-2013-Chelyabinks-asteroid-/261170537371?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item3ccefa239b
or this.
Sales of all Russian meteorite dirt is hereby suspended until further notice.
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Hi Dirk and List,
Re: the Chelyabinsk link I posted earlier :
I had to pull it down because some politically-correct types objected
to it, and I didn't want to court trouble with my webhost. :(
Best regards,
MikeG
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good article that shows graphically why/how these are not related.
http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2013/02/asteroids-and-meteors-same-day/
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu
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I'm talking about two different trajectories. Different inclinations,
Man-made?? Come on nowno way was this blast from a man-made event or object.
For sure---this WAS extra-terrestrial in origin.
Kirk
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 7:41 AM, noakes pinwa...@nep.net wrote:
What's wrong with this picture. Sonic booms (multiple) , close to earth.
Incandescing
The half goes to charity claim is questionable. Other than that I don't see
anything wrong with the sale of dirt. The seller doesn't claim the material is
meteoric. Maybe there are some nice spheroids in it :P
Souvenir dirt and sand from historic places is sold worldwide. I think I have
some
Where are these elements posted??
It's impossible that they could be as different as you state here.
My mailbox got full yesterday, so if they have been posted on this list
while I could not receive any new messages, I must apologize.
But if not, post the elements or supply a link.
It is
Esko posted these yesterday on meteor obs. This is estimated. The
wired article said it used SETI results.
Using mainly the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZxXYscmgRg
and the weather satellite image, with no real good calibrations, I get a
rough solar system orbit ( the last stage by means
Hi Mike/Bjorn/List,
Esko, Bill Gray and I exchanged a number of e-mails amongst each other yesterday
and early today discussing the Russian meteor trajectory. From the perspective
of
the earth, the two trajectories to first order are nearly perpendicular to each
other.
So that is pretty much
I must be starting praying for you MIke!!?
That's the most clueless article about these events I have ever seen.
Or someone purporting to know anything about celestial mechanics.
Wired and author Helene McLaughlin doesn't know a thing about celestial
mechanics.
The diagram is totally wrong,
Hi Bjorn (and list)
Why do I think you might be right ?
Or is this just another of those coincidences...
Anyway, please pursue your idea/flair...!
Science in history shows that out of the box
approaches lead to real discoveries.
That's why I don't listen to the reasonable,
classical, main
The orbital elements are precisely known for DA14, and the estimated
elements for the meteor are certainly not far off. You don't understand
orbital dynamics at all if you believe these two bodies could have been
in parallel orbits. They were not. There is no plausible mechanism that
could
Hi Chris
I am a scientist myself, in agronomy.
And I have learned to be more and more skeptical
about the common/obvious knowledge over the years...
You might be right... but be careful about your
high level of certainty...
Said with all respect to you but also Bjorn
who seems to have a point,
Skepticism does not require having significant doubt about things which
are well understood. The suggestion that has been offered is either the
product of extreme ignorance or of outright pseudoscience (well, the
question was a fair one, but the insistence upon sticking with the
belief in
Ha
I recommend:
http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/GoogleEarth/Libya_newIcons.kmz
and
http://wiki.meteoritica.pl/index.php5/Meteoryty
and more
http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/GoogleEarth/GE-KMZfiles.htm
Best
Woreczko
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Ok... lets see.
because all the first part of your email
makes me reasonably think like you...
but then I read the end...
Quote:
There is no reasonable or likely mechanism for a body to split and
produce products with radically different orbits.
How sure are you about this... ?
Especially the
Hi Michael,
... I have learned to be more and more skeptical about the common/obvious
knowledge over the years... You might be right... but be careful about your
high level of certainty...
The level of celestial mechanical certainty involved here is comparable to the
uncertainty that 1+1 = 2.
Hi Rob
Your 1+1=2 doesn't convince me
BUT your Devil's Advocate much more...
I am glad I pursued on this, because NOW
I am getting a tangible answer
Thank you !
best regards to all
Michael B.
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Sent:
It takes a large amount of energy to split a massive body into
components with radically different orbits (and that these bodies have
radically different orbits is known beyond reasonable doubt). That
energy could be supplied explosively, as when a pair of bodies collide.
But that amount of
Hi All,
Getting back to the Russian meteor itself, what I find most surprising so far is
that after two full days of daylight hours to search for fragments against a
fairly white background, not one meteorite has been found. The prevailing
wisdom ~had~ been that this was an iron, given the deep
Fireball reported across California sky, Mike Denison, USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/02/16/fireball-calif-sky/1924483/
Watch: Fireball Streaks Across Bay Area Sky by Lori Preuitt
NBC Bay Area, February 16, 2013
Thank you Chris
I learned with your great answer.
Best regards
Michael B.
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:50 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia
Dear List Members,
i have listed on ebay a fine selection of perfect etched pieces of Imilchil.
Some pieces are very very special and shows a reheated rim with large Troilite
and Graphite Inclusions.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230930472956?ssPageName=STRK:MESOX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1559.l2649
Hi Rob and List,
Good points, and some of those same thoughts had crossed my mind.
Namely, where are the meteorites? If this had been a Sikhote Alin
type of fall, we would have seen many meteorites recovered by now.
Bogus eBay-offerings aside, nothing has been recovered yet - or, if
any
The Science Channel is airing a special on the Russian meteorite event, tonight
at 8:00PM.
Dennis
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On Feb 16, 2013, at 2:51 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks
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Hi Rob and List,
Good points, and some of those same thoughts had crossed my mind.
The posted orbit for the Russian meteor doesn't resemble in any way 2012
DA14. There is a difference of 7 degrees in the
inclination alone - about 4 degrees for the meteor and 2012 DA's
inclination is 11.6 degrees.
Both the Node and Arg Peri are also different.
Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
If the object was a Carbonaceous type or a small comet there may not be
much to find of anything. Tagish Lake fell on the ice
but if it had fallen through what would be left to find?
Chris. Spratt
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Hi Mirko,
Awesome etch work. Those are some gorgeous specimens. Your etching
work is consistently some of the best in the business. Well done sir.
:)
Best regards,
MikeG
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Thanks for your general positive comment on this discussion.
I would agree with you on the .'more and more skeptical' about some
output of so called scientific knowlegde over the years.
Say any scientist or budding scientist have a model on some kind of aspect
of nature. The model can be quite
yes
And I remember also that great documentary on PBS
(Nova I think) about the implications of the eruption
of the Krakatau in Indonesia in the 6th Century
made by an obscure scientist in UK
mocked and ridiculed for years by his pairs...
to end up that he was right about his theory.
Finally,
They are certainly not.
And who was it that brought forward this gelogical analysis to the wider
scientific community. It was me. I certainly didn't do any science on it.
I found it on their site. And posted it here. New Scientist then wrote
their first positive
scientific article as Carancas
Ok, you've gone off the deep end and will now be officially considered
goofy. Your remarks on Carancas are just dumb.
Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum
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Sent: Saturday,
Hi Rob et al,
I've spent several hours searching for different video footage of the
fireball, the smoke trail, the hole in the ice, etc.
First, can anyone point me to any scientific papers which attempt
to correlate:
a) the color of the smoky tail, and/or
b) the color of the fireball
with the
Hi Nick et al,
I found this earlier today. Maybe it serves as a possible explanation for the
double smoke trail:
automatic translation:
http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=desl=rutl=enu=http%3A%2F%2Fpodmoskovnik.livejournal.com%2F161151.html%3Fnojs%3D1
Cheers,
Martin
Von: Nicholas
Hi Nick!
I thought the same thing. Why so white? Ice melt! I went back and
looked as some witness falls and this was different. Someone stated
it was iron and that went viral in the media! And the hole in the
ice! How much rounder could it be!!!
And then, what's up with all the cameras!
Hi all,
I still see suggestions popping up on this list about a possible link between
2012 DA14 and the Russian meteor.
I want to point out that even without an accurate trajectory for the Russian
bolide, a link with 2012 DA14 can be 100% rejected. The orbital geometry of 2012
DA14 and the
At Sat, 16 Feb 2013 Nicholas Gessler, Ph.D passes along a message that he
received from a friend:
About getting on-site ? I am guessing that unless you happened to live
right under the
fall, you won?t get very close to it now! (Chelyabinsk was for decades a
?closed? city
because of all the
Hi Marco,
I couldn't have explained it any better myself. But I have a feeling that
it's the Porthcawl bolide (err SST) all over again. Even almost a decade
after that non-event, there are people who like to show that image as
an example of a brilliant fireball. --Rob
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Here is a relatively little-watched video showing a 28 second time delay
after the meteor passes almost overhead, and slightly to the south:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odKjwrjIM-k
I am not sure where this is located. With some work such as that of:
Upon looking at the particle cloud, hearing the numerous sonic bangs after the
main blast, and seeing a singular mass proceed for 5 or 6 seconds after, I
think that there should be many fragments directly under that particle cloud
all the way to the the lake many miles farther that has a 20'
Considering Putin, I question whether we will know yet that any have been
found. But I digress
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Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:44 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Russian
Looking at the comments at:
http://ogleearth.com/2013/02/reconstructing-the-chelyabinsk-meteors-path-with-google-earth-youtube-and-high-school-math/
This one is from Korkino, close to Rosa/Roza (54.890703,61.398983):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odKjwrjIM-k
- Robin
The vortices in the particle cloud are fantastic!
To get a better perspective, I stitched a panorama together.
https://web.duke.edu/isis/gessler/meteorites/chelyabinsk.htm
The videographer made several pans. This was a
quickie from the first complete pan.
Enjoy,
Nick
Great find, Robin. (Though I nearly could bear to listen to that music!) One
could
probably get a pretty good estimate of the average speed of sound below 10 km
altitude with a typical temperature profile for this part of Russia in early
morning in
mid-February (presumably quite cold!) At,
Hi Rob,
Indeed 8.7km is low. I didn't do the calculations - I just wanted to
share with the folks on this list ASAP. This is about the elevation of
Mt Everest (Sagarmāthā). According to:
http://fiziknota.blogspot.com/2008/04/atmospheric-pressure-and-altitude.html
the air pressure there is
Hello List,
I can't see in any way how your statements can be true, and I wonder
how anyone can. I would assume NASA has way more educated
professionals in this than you. Why do they say: 'Preliminary information
indicates ---
not related'? They would have been able to refute a strike for all
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