e from the point of impact of vaporized and
condensed iron spherules? And thus tusks peppered but
not crushed?
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for air entry.
That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing
more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks
come from?
PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE
which ended the paleo period.
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Hi all -
Looks to me like vaporization of impactor, the bits
falling back to ground several hundred kilometers
away.
I think there will be a search for an iron impact in
that range. Maybe survivals of fossil irons, ala
Canyon Diablo, but Canada is not as dry as Arizona.
we'll see...
ampo, if I remember.
I could use a small piece for educational purposes.
PS - My vote for martian grail has to go with strope's
NWA. It will be interesting to see what the scientists
find in it.
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Thst's not me.
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Hi all -
I do think that someone might improve the opinions of
others here of him by offering me an apology:
http://www.china.org.cn/english/culture/231787.htm
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individual's stupidity?
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could write to.
and yes, Christ, I am tired, and I'm sorry if that
offends anyone
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And what do you people have against prayer?
my apologies to all offended by my exasperation...
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> for evidence, not providing evidence (that would
> take
> five lifetimes). He is not a cautious academic
> writer,
> but no cautious academic writer would attempt what
> he has. No, I'm not shilling for his book; he does a
> fine
> job of that himself. But if you haven't read any of
> E. P.,
> he
al warming".
Actually, I have no problem with converting to
renewable energy, and am very much in favor of it, its
just that I am just not certain how the Little Ice Age
occured, and its relation to the Maunder minimum.
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n impact, which are built on so
> thin ice like your Homo heidelbergensis split in >
two theory.
Generally, Andi, I have found that the more
intelligent people are, the better they like my book.
Draw your own conclusion.
E.P. Gr
ty, send me the letter, and I'll send you
what you paid.
You know, there was a lot of material about Native
Americas and meteorites that I wanted to write up, but
instead we had that big discussion about Hibben.
Right now, I feel like the book is going to do very
well, right after it kills me
ere by the Creator.
And again, try to sort this out in a few words as
possible for the general reader while the
anthropologists fight bitterly among themselves over
taxonomy, not only of homonids, but of lithics and
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s that the image was processed from some
kind of infra-red sensor, to show the clouds. Maybe
film, then scanned?
Beyond that, does anyone here know about the early
weather satellites?
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Chris wrote:
Not a chance. I don't know what technology was use
dt, do you know what he is talking about? Can you
translate this for me.
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Like you?
Publishing a book with no input,
In Tucson this year you sold me your book, even singed
by you.
After 30 sides I had to put it by side, because of
your stupid concl
Griffin should be fired.
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as a recent near
miss? Undated, unsourced, it looks to me like a near
miss, and if it holds a damn well documented one.
Oh Christ.
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recovered from both the strewn field and under the
flight path.
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There must be other probes out there which could be
used for imaging this.
clear skies and good hunting,
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was found in Oregon in 1902 and has been steeped in
ownership controversies for more than a century, was
offered by Bonhams auction house at an estimated value
of $1.3 million but was withdrawn from sale after
bidding ended at $300,000."
It's time for the nomcom to clear this up.
E.P. G
Hi all -
Looks like we can add Hughes and Dale to the dataset.
Sad.
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Hughes and Dale discovered it on land owned by the
Oregon Iron and Steel Company in what is now West
Linn.
...
But back to West Linn in 1902. The steel company
wouldn't sel
Hi all -
Thanks, Chris - I guess the new orbit will be
determined soon.
Perhaps something started the outgassing. Barring a
gravitational force, or just an "ordinary"
disintegration, wouldn't collision be possible? Or if
there was a disintegration into cometissimals...
E.P. G
Hi all -
(My earlier post on this appears not to have made it
to the list.)
Does anyone know yet how the outgassing (and whatever
caused it) has affected 17P's orbit?
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which may
hopefully end up putting a little money in the hands
of the local people.
My opinion is that a main mass, if it survived, should
be displayed down at the Lake instead of in Lima.
Gentlemen and ladies, could we keep a certain level of
civility here?
good hunting,
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Hi all -
I wonder if this outgassing has affected 17P's orbit,
and if so by how much?
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maybe all that's left is fossil meteorites. Or perhaps
that impactor air blasted into very small fragments.
The hunt is on. Good luck and
good hunting,
E.P. Grondine
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ts from Michael Griffin's current contempt of
Congress.
This little campaign perpetuates the BIG LIE that
many manned Mars flight enthusiasts promote that
nothing can be done to prevent or mitigate impact.
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overed a tradition of the Ainu destruction
by impact prior to the Japanese people coming into the
islands and circulated it some years ago to the
Cambridge Conference. This was not the Holocene start
impact. See points 1,2,3 above.
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his crater. While you'd like to visit,
that is not that many people altogether.
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List and Ed,
>Continuing discussion follows EPG`s final question.
----
"E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:"...
"Do you really want to stand by such a display of a
lack of intelligence and sense, or d
our comparison of these well attested ancient
religious allegories with Joseph Smith's well attested
personal frauds to be offensive.
Do you really want to stand by such a display of a
lack of intelligence and sense, or do you wish to
reconsider that statement?
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d evil. It is also said that the
beings became civilized people, and that they made
their residence in the south part of the Great Island.
It is said that afterwards they were destroyed by
barbarous nations, and their fortifications remain
ruined unto this day."
Good Hunting,
E.
at
Taglish Lake.
big questions for which I have no answers...
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happening.
So how about a list of who bought what from whom when
you go to catalog? Say "Oficer Jose" or "Mayor Jorge"?
Robert, you're being just plain nasty here. Please
stop insulting Farmer, and please stop using a false
name and false title.
E.P.
pages 224-226). Given the cometary source, I
doubt if any fragments remain in the field there, but
who knows?
Of course, we'll all be entertained over the coming
weeks by accounts from the field of how events
progress.
good hunt
re know how it comes
out.
And don't worry about Griffin blowing off the
Congress's instructions in the George Brown Amendment,
as it appears that China intends to build CAPS.
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involve a
transfer or loan within the federal government.
There is now a National Parks museum next to the
observatory's remains where the meteorite could safely
be held.
Not only would such a move respect the native peoples
of Arizona, it would respect all of the people living
in Arizona to
. Whether
one of those two, or another mechanism is involved
define work yet to be done. Whew! - someone else's
not mine.
E.P. Grondine
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--- "Sterling K. Webb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> So, the possibilities are that the movement
have been
> venerated by previous cultures that we have no idea
> of---and that's a
> free pass?! is it tribe specific? just checking.
>
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t's notes, "The Battle of the Good Mind and Bad
Mind". David Cusick's Tusacarora variant of this,
though without the impact details, is given in my book
"Man and Impact in the Americas".
low the
fates of the auction's winners.
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--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Good evening, Folks,
>
> I've not kept up with this thread, unfortunately.
> However, this post makes
> me think that what I am looking at is the
> p
wondering where the 64 million
year number comes from.
Given this discrepancy, there is a distinct
possibility that one or the other of our dating
mechanisms is seriously flawed.
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Hi Pete, all -
If I remember correctly, the meteorite was considered
a sacred relic by the local people, but the European
settlers hacked off pieces, and then the bulk of it
was hauled off by wagon and sold.
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--- Pete Pete <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all -
Was that 28 kg Williamette at auction a piece of the
infamous meteorite in the Museum of Natural History in
New York?
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Tonight's top picks.
Hi all -
We've all been treated to Paul's version of Hibben's
life. Here's another one:
http://www.adamsguns.com/hibben.htm
It scarcely looks like the same man.
Good Hunting,
E.P. Grondine
Man and Im
Hi all -
Has anyone considered that Baptisma was a comet which
impacted an asteroid?
Good Hunting,
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also have a Moon rover in the works,
the CE 2, and great national interest in the Moon.
Their launch costs will be either two CZ2 variants, or
one CZ5. If CNAS were to ship the images real time via
the internet and charge for them, they might be able
to pay for a good part of the mission.
ng (great stuff, rueben!),
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's errand from
the start.
If you find a good link on the Sakhalinda crater, be
sure to share it with us.
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Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope
excuse me if I remain
skeptical of the latest hypothesis.
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Viverka and Yeomans would have had the answer for this
one with CONTOUR, if Thiokol had not delivered that
cracked Star 30 motor to NASA.
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special
--- Greg Redfern <[EMAIL PROTEC
ast TWO astronomers claiming
> evidence
> for a massive object perturbing the Ort Cloud, based
> on
> the anomalous distribution of Ort Cloud comet
> aphelia:
> http://www.ucs.louisiana.edu/~jjm9638/matese.html
> http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news071.html
> The only pro
alian dynamicists' work.
Morrison's "Nemisis" hypothesis and Firstone's new
hypothesis both appear to be mistaken, and it is most
likely that these gentlemen's are as well.
E.P. Gron
e start of the
holocene. That being the case, this tale may perhaps
be understood as an explanation for fossils, or
perhaps it may represent real memories of real events
later learned by the Lenape from the Shawnee or
others.
E.P. Gron
would discover living
specimens of the fossil mammoths so abundant along the
Ohio River."
Don't yell at me: that's all there is (for now).
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impacts.
Note also the strange behavior of the mega-fauna and
their predators which appears in the accounts. Death
by starvation of the mega-fauna would have led their
predators (the monsters) to new game: people.
Something happened to the North Pacific Current at the
end of the last ice age, an
Hi all -
Christ, do I get awarded a doctorate after all of this
is done? Or is their a large cash prize involved if I
"win" this?
I wrote:
"Back now to the Fairbank muck deposit:
I WAS WRONG. I MADE A MISTAKE. AN ERROR.
Clearly, the deposits which Hibbens observed
at Fairbanks came from the
Hi all -
Well, we've reached a new level of absurdity here, as
Paul wrote:
"For example, as summarized in Baker and Nummedal
(1978) and seen in innumerable images of Mars,
cataclysmic floods of the type envisioned by Mr.
Grondine, produce very distinct landforms."
As Paul well knows, CO2 is the
substantial alteration
of the North Pacific Current, which occurred as the
Lenpewak remembered. But how? The Sakhalinda crater
seems to be out of the running for now, but what the
hell happened in Beringia?
Oh well, the new USGS coastal cores will be along
shortly... along with the Canadian west c
tial
point, and it only took a month for you to concede it.
And yes, now that you mention it, I suppose that sales
of spherules from Tunguska would be nice as well. If
they were commonly sold, it would stop a lot of the
nonsense about alien spaceships.
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ost recent trip west, I spent what time and
money I had visiting the observatories at Wupatki and
Casa Grande and meeting with some people.
> "Giant" and "tall" are two different words.
If you want to know about the "Adena", before you
write on them, read Man and Impact
; impactite
> materials mentioned. I suspect that they don`t have
> what they state that they have found. We will have
> to
> wait and see.
> Best Regards, Dirk
>
>
> --- "E.P. Grondine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi Dirk -
> >
&
Hi all -
This may seem an irritating intrusion, but last year I
was intrigued by lunar and martian cutting dust, and
how many of you have bought, sold, own, or given as
gifts that material in the last year?
Perhaps the impactites could be packaged with a self
contained plastic micrscope. Let me
Hi Dirk -
Yes. Here you go:
http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=109768&org=NSF&from=news
Ed
--- drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
> Any other sources for images? My computer will
> not
> allow me to download the player files. Dirk
ddeus.
The new impactite layer has been demonstrated - there
is nothing "assumed" about it. What is being done now
is trying to figure out the exact timing and effects
of the holocene start impacts. My guess right now is
that they fundamentally altered the North Pacific
Currents, but we
only KT impactite samples that I have seen were at
the Smithsonian, and came from the deep sea bed. But
we've all seen the impactite layers from Italy that
the Alvarez's sampled.
I don't know of any exposed Chesapeake Bay impactite
layers, but...
good hunting,
E.P. Grondine
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only a FOOL, but CHEAP as well. Your lack
of money is well deserved.
> and being
> called a fool by someone who falls for fraudulent
> fairy tales and 7 1/2 foot tall Indian tribes has no
> weight with me.
And STUPID: you could always use an inter-library
loan.
> a chain is onl
Kevin -
The Ica Stones appear to be fakes. As you appear to
be particularly interested in them, I will send you a
backgrounder on some of the people involved with them.
Any other list members who may want a copy of this
please contact me off list.
E.P. Grondine
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.
I am sorry that the list has had to witness this
rather disgusting and concerted team effort to slander
me and my work. I hope that my emotions have not
gotten the better of me and that I have not gone
overboard in my responses.
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Mark Abbott has cop
fragments of
Comet Encke at the start of the holocene, and what
appears to be their drastic effects on climate, I
doubt that either Paul or Darren will be of much use
in figuring out what occurred when. If they are, it
will come as a delightful surprise.
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980). Neither the early man occupation, mammoth
remains,nor any Pleistocene sediments capable of
containing them were found where Hibben (1943) stated
that he found them."
The problem here is that no large cats were living in
the area either 1575 A.D. or 1650 A.D. So obviously
the spot this team
shows China's planned SZ7 space walk, their station
to be launched with their new medium CZ5 launcher, and
the CE3 Moon sample return mission.
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them (irons) or powder them
(all else).
Of course, the watery mars folks are insisting that
all the hematite on Mars came from water action
good hunting
(Yuba City sounds like its gone to be a good one)
E.P. Grondine
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omment on the
what was it, 30 or 90 feet? of marine sediment
overlying that the spearpoint Hibbens retrieved from
that cat's ribcage.
By the way, does anyone here remember that "tektite"
which I noticed in the Pathfinder images several years
back? Has anyone here taken another look at the
after 50,000
BCE, before desertification fully set in, probably
account for the appearance of Clovis in the area.
E.P. Grondine
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Hi Paul, all -
Thanks Paul. This is much better than hysterical
biased smears of Hibben's observations.
The problem that I have with all of these papers is
that there are no clear statements in any of them as
to what hit, whether it was a comet or an asteroid.
Undoubtedly this reflects the state
wolf were constellations.
If you have any insights, or know of anyone who can
help, please do.
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Hi Paul, all -
Please excuse this revisitation of the topic, but...
I see by re-reading Hibben that the holocene start
muck is described separate from the find spot of the
point.
(Though that find spot was overlain by 90 feet of
"marine deposits".)
I've had a stroke since I read through Hibbe
Hi Paul -
Please excuse the tardiness of my reply. I have
pressing matters to attend to.
You raise many points in your effort to obscure one
point, the point Hibben recovered. That point may be
placed between say about 45,000 BCE and 8,249 BCE.
As background for those of meteoritical bent, Fran
e, the same has happened recently to Schultz
et al.'s work at Rio Cuarto. And then there's the
Sakhalinda crater.
I suppose it will all come out in the wash.
non illegitimi carborundum, as the saying goes.
E.P. Grondine
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trying to understand
Native American "traditions" (oral histories) without
refering to the physical record.
good hunting,
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of work.
In the end, one thing is certain: If you do not hunt,
you will find nothing.
good hunting,
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From: Darren Garrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Seven Plagues and Killer
Meteorites
To: "meteoritelist"
Messa
about global warming.
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on points, baffle them with BS.
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT)
From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [meteorite-list] The Imaginary Mucks of
Alaska and Siberia
was "Arrowhe
Pacific.
Given all the circa dates, it might be nice to have
some tree ring dates for the formation of the Alaskan
mucks and the flooding of the Black Sea.
At any rate, it's good to know you're there to type
this material when it comes in.
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--
and altered the north Pacific currents, and the
world's weather, are covered in my book "Man and
Impact in the Americas".
It is too bad these mucks are not absolutely dated
yet. But 11,000 BCE would be a late date for Bessey's
"arrowheads" (points) - most are likely fa
riginal essay, "Going into the Water", which expanded
Dr. Masse's earlier work with Rio Cuarto myths to the
Mayan written records may be read for free in the
Cambridge Conference archives.
Thanks for the heads up, Paul. The articles are now
downloaded for later reading.
Mike, you&#x
Hi all -
Are the "moqui marbles" truly analogues for the
"blueberries" on Mars?
On the Earth we have found smaller spheres which are
the product of the condensation of vaporized material
from impacts. These spheres are different from
tektites. Could this mechanism be behind the
"blueberries" o
Hi -
I would like to remind everyone here that the holocene
start impacts are covered in depth in my book "Man and
Impact in the Americas".
I set out the climatic effects of the main north
Pacific impact in a summary to the list, and those
comments are available in the list archive.
I mention
Hi all -
Great pieces, Mike. I've truncated your mnessage in
case you did not wish to share it with the list
generally.
That you're selling these piques my curiousity as to
what's up and about.
good hunting,
Ed
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