Mark,
LOL! I still love dowsing even if it is caused by unconscious ideomotor
responses. The pseudosciences are a lot of fun. And yes, you're right, name
calling is not right. I apologize for that.
As we all very well know, the burden of proof is the responsibility of those
making the
Seems a little unlikely:
http://www.technologyreview.com/view/423608/planets-could-orbit-singularities-inside-black-holes/#comments
Planets Could Orbit Singularities Inside Black Holes
The discovery of stable orbits inside certain kinds of black hole implies
that planets and perhaps even
Mark,
I agree. It's becoming painfully obvious Mars has always been lifeless. If
it didn't happen there, where conditions were similar to Earth, with all the
right ingredients and parameters, then I wouldn't hold my breath while
looking for life in the rest of the Solar System. Abiogenisis is
the planet clean.
Phil Whitmer
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By the time a meme makes it to the New York Times, it's too late to stop it.
It's now common knowledge among the non-cognescenti that there is a massive
worldwide illegal meteorite black market. A perfect example of argumentum ad
populum: it must be true because so many believe it. Fifty
Hello List:
I have a good-sized, uncleaned, natural patina Odessa, Texas meteorite
currently for sale on eBay. It's nicely shaped, with the usual caliche. I
got it from the original finder. Thanks for looking!
Shawn,
I agree, the second rock doesn't look like a meteorite either. Has it been
examined by an expert?
Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum
Hello Listers
Just found this, might be interesting for others that are hunting for
meteorites in Novato area.
After a fireball streaked
This is turning into a mystery wrapped inside an enigma.
Phil Whitmer
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That was my first impression too. Hmmm
Bob L
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Any editor with half a brain would have caught and corrected this.
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Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum
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My guess is autocorrect gone horribly wrong.
Peter
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Hello Al,
There are also volcanoes. The Toba Volcano (Indonesia) super eruption 74,000
years ago nearly wiped out humans, there were only a few thousand Homo
Sapiens left according to genetic analyses and other studies. People
couldn't survive the volcanic winter.
Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree
This is an unusual NWA 869 spherical pendant:
Eye Of God pendant:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/310455741061?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
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I wonder what this is about? (From the Epic of Gilgamesh.)
Gilgamesh got up and revealed the dream, saying to his mother:
Mother, I had a dream last night.
Stars of the sky appeared,
and some kind of meteorite of Anu fell next to me.
I tried to lift it but it was too mighty for me,
I tried to
That's like saying guilty by association or proximity. If you're walking by
a crime scene as the crime is in progress, this in no way implies you're a
suspect. It's a coincidence. Same with the suspected super bolide fires.
Just because fires start during a bolide sighting, it in no way implies
They took down the meteorite found on the moon auction.
Go to eBay's 8,753 item meteorite and tektite catagory. Search by highest
priced item first. Seven of the top 26 most expensive items are obviously
not meteorites. It's always like that, sometimes 5 or 6 of the top ten are
meteorwrongs.
Wait for it, wait for it...
All sales of underwater red jasper meteorites from Mars are hereby suspended
until further notice!
Ha!
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Examining impact shattercones at the Kentland meteorite crater:
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/kentland12/KentlandCrater.jpg
A working quarry is mining the central uplift at the center of the crater.
The limestone layers are raised up about 1800 ft. above the surrounding
The picture with the article looks like slag!
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According to O. Richard Norton, and the Meteoritical Society, all meteorites
found in India are the property of the Geological Survey of India. In his
Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites, Norton also states Gibeon meteorites
are illegal to export from Namibia.
This current news story is as unfortunate as the original NASA story spin of
Wolf-Simon's article release two years ago. Hoax implies a deliberate
fabrication of evidence. There's no call here to insult the personal
integrity of the scientists for publishing their earlier experimental
Turns out it was a bogus publicity stunt:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/journal-retreats-from-controversial-arsenic-paper/2012/07/08/gJQAFQb7WW_story.html?hpid=z3
Journal retreats from controversial arsenic paper
By Marc Kaufman, Updated: Sunday, July 8, 10:05 PMThe
Small Impact Craters On Sikhote-Alin Iron Meteorite Surfaces
M. Killgore and J.F. McHone:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/LPSC98/pdf/1839.pdf
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Hi Jim,
You're missing the fact that there's 10,000 suckers born (worldwide) every
minute and one just paid $266 for a concretion that I would have sold them
for $1.50.
Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum
I see no evidence in this ebay listing that would lead me to believe that
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/new-fall-2012.html
This is only the third fresh iron I've seen with complete gun-metal blue
fusion crust, flow lines and other ablation surface features. I think the
other two were ataxites. Awesome meteorite!
Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum
Loved Ray Bradbury in high school
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/ray-bradbury-sci-fi-author-of-fahrenheit-451-martian-chronicles-dies-at-91/2012/06/06/gJQAy9HiIV_story.html?hpid=z4
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If there's one thing I never tire of on the Meteorite List, it's the
fascinating, seemingly never-ending discussion of what does and does not
constitute a hammer stone. It never gets old. You have semantics,
definitions, degrees of hammerness, lively arguments over what is or is not
a man-made
This is the guy selling Apollo moon rock dust on eBay:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/houston-lawyer-trying-to-account-for-scores-of-missing-moon-rocks-brought-back-by-astronauts/2012/05/13/gIQA0rflMU_story.html?tid=pm_national_pop
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It' a zeppelin.
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Zepplins were magnificent classic airships with an internal framework.
Blimps are bags of gas.
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Sorry about the multiple posts, after not working, all my accounts went
through at once!
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Peter Jenniskens Sutter Mill
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/June2011/sut.jpg
APOD: Sutter's Mill Meteorite (2012 Apr 28)
Image Credit P. Jenniskens (SETI Institute) and Eric James (NASA Ames)
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap120428.html
Explanation: Last Sunday's bright fireball
Looks pretty bogus to me:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Moon-rock-Apollo11-/190661007344?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item2c644817f0
He relists it every week, lowering the starting bid by $100,000. I don't
see how eBay can allow this.
Phil Whitmer
Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum
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According to the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department there are no black
panthers in Texas, only mountian lions from the Puma genus. Black panthers
are leopards from the Panthera genus and do not live in North America.
We saw a strange meteor tonight from Plymouth, Indiana. We were facing south
and I looked east just in time to see a very bright meteor falling at a 45
degree angle. I've never seen one quite like it. It looked like a very
bright star dropping in a straight line with no tail or flashes or
Greetings Maurizio:
Those look a lot like Al Haggounia 001, the paleo/fossil meteorite. A rare
EL3 type (enstatite) that is very inexpensive due to the massive TKW (total
known weight)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AL-HAGGOUNIA-001-Stony-Meteorite-Fragments-8-1g-/400175463637
Phil Whitmer
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More than 20 pairings?:
The Al Haggounia Fossil or Paleo Meteorite Problem:
http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/Al_Haggounia.html
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Al-Haggounia-Enstatite-EL3-Stone-Meteorite-Slice-28-6-G-/280774269672?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item415f735ae8
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An interesting recap:
http://www.icq.eps.harvard.edu/meteorites.html
Some interesting meteorite falls of the last two centuries
DATE LOCATIONREMARKS
REFERENCES
1807 12 14Weston, CT, U.S.A. meteor visible half a minute, [21]
One of these stones, fifteen inches in diameter, broke
through the roof of a cottage, and killed a herdsman and a bullock. After
reading the above statement, we cannot refrain from wondering at the slow
belief of philosophers as to the heavenly origin of these stones. Where was
the
body to come
Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death
hammerstone incident:
http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/second-experiment-confirms-faster-than-light-particles/2011/11/17/gIQAlRlTWN_story.html?hpid=z5
Second experiment confirms faster-than-light particles:
While the second experiment has made an important test of consistency of
its result,
I know it was discussed awhile back about whether atmospheric friction or
ram pressure causes meteor ablation, but I don't remember if the science was
ever settled. If you Google the question, the overwhelming majority of hits
say it's friction with oxygen, argon and nitrogen molecules that
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Apparently there are volcanos under the ice causing the icebergs:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/theory-of-subsurface-lakes-boost-hopes-for-life-on-jupiters-moon-europa/2011/11/16/gIQADp8hRN_story.html?hpid=z2
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An asteroid the size
I haven't noticed any changes in eBay policy toward international meteorite
sales. The people that are being hasseled were probably reported by someone.
It only takes one snitch telling on you for whatever reason to get an
auction shut down. I had a stalagmite auction closed recently because of
I don't think it's a secret that eBay is going to start charging extra for
international auctions. I seem to recall getting an email from them a month
or so ago saying that they were going to do this.
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Well alrighty then! The science is settled.
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Steve,
Regarding your ridiculous High Noon challenge - even though I was
not there YOU HAVE LOST!!
Does this look familiar
Meg is taking over as head honcho of Hewlett-Packard. I just was notified
by eBay today that as of October 1st no more mention of emails will be
allowed. They don't want any off eBay transactions taking place.
Also, this is pretty cool:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/nasa-satellite-expected-to-hit-earth-this-week/2011/09/18/gIQARnpVdK_story.html?hpid=z3
NASA satellite expected to hit Earth this week:
By Joel Achenbach,
The sky is not falling. A 12,500-pound NASA satellite the size of a school
bus is,
The top ten meteorites currently running on eBay:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/Meteorites-Tektites-/3239/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A2%257C39%253A1%257C72%253A5213rt=nc_sticky=1_trksid=p3286.c0.m14_sop=16_sc=1
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Yinan:
This is what I meant to say:
At any given time a search of the the highest priced items listed in eBay's
Meteorite and Tektite category shows that around 80% are obvious
meteorwrongs.
eBay Top Ten Highest Priced Items Represented and Misrepresented as
Meteorites:
Nothing yet, it appears:
http://www.tribtoday.com/page/content.detail/id/560615/Meteorites-may-have-landed-in-the-region.html?nav=5021
Meteorites may have landed in the region
August 19, 2011
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http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/breaking-news/offbeat/jacksonlink-meteorite-up-for-sale-16035842.html
Jackson-link meteorite up for sale
Friday, 12 August 2011
Part of a meteorite with links to Michael Jackson is to be auctioned
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Yes, it's well established that amino acids, nucleobases and other such
molecules are pretty much everywhere across the Universe. They're common,
fairly simple compounds. When you say they're ready to be assembled and you
can build your own ladder, are you talking about
One of the few things I recall from college Probability Theory class is that
if something happened once, no matter how unlikly, it can happen again. For
example, since the Chicago Cubs won back to back World Series championships
in 1907 and 1908, theoretically, they could do it again.
I was just here recently:
http://studebakermuseum.org/
They have a new building, it's really nice. An unbelievable collection of
Stude's. Cars you can't see anywhere else. They have a Raymond Loewy studio
display with his drafting table, tools and many of his drawings and clay car
models.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/water-on-mars-scientists-find-strongest-evidence-yet/2011/08/03/gIQAiYcWuI_story.html?hpid=z8
By Marc Kaufman, Published: August 4
For decades, space scientists have searched Mars for signs of water, the
liquid generally believed to be
Listerines:
Much more difficult to deal with are the sophisticated scammers who sell
legitimate stones, then decide to increase their profit margins by
mis-labeling inexpensive common samples as rare expensive ones. I got burnt
this way by a scammer advertising on the Meteorite List a few
Aw, c'mon Mike, it's a polymict planetary with diamonds. And for only $152!
LOL, I wonder how much this will go for?
Phil Whitmer
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Hi List,
Here is another unfortunate example of an obvious meteorwrong being
offered as a pallasite.
Wowsers! 300 bucks. I'm in the wrong business!
Phil Whitmer
Hi List,
Here is another unfortunate example of an obvious meteorwrong being
offered as a pallasite.
You have to sign in to an account to see the results, but the flag scraps
went for $45,000. Lots of cool stuff in this auction:
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/catalog/25411
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You find it , it's yours!:
http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php
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Richard,
Good one!
I thought most of the Mekong Delta material was hematite.
Phil Whitmer
JonathanI think one paddles upstream.
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We'll see how this one goes:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/10/science/space/10moon.html?_r=1hp
Shreds of Moon History on the Block
By DOUGLAS QUENQUA
Published: July 9, 2011
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Couldn't Congress divert a few billion dollars of this money to go where no
man has gone before?:
http://costofwar.com/en/
Probably not.
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The alleged camera:
http://www.collectspace.com/news/news-070411a.html
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Hi Robert,
Excellent post, I'm going to have to see about getting a tile for our
museum.
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As a fairly new subscriber to the met-list, and a meteorite(nut) collector.
I would like to inject a few pieces of information about the Space Shuttle
Tiles
Actually, ALL politicians impact the collection of planetary and asteroidal
meteorites. By giving away billions in public assistance to poor people and
even more billions in corporate welfare to rich people, money is diverted
from meteorite collection. No one will return to the moon as long as
As far as I can tell, bulk Apollo lunar material is studied by the NASA
Lunar Science Institute. The guys that do the hands on work are known as the
Lunar Exploration and Analysis Group or LEAG. One of the scientists doing
analysis of moon rocks here at the University of Notre Dame uses the new
Recently took the kids to the Indiana State Museum. We saw three meteorites,
a Campo, a Canyon Diablo and this tasty pure snow-white moon rock.
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/019.jpg
http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x177/cyphor79/021.jpg
All the AP people, or whoever wrote the original article, had to do was add
the simple caveat that all non-Antarctic lunar meteorites and meteoritical
materials are perfectly legal to possess, buy and sell. A simple distinction
between the legality of non-Antactic lunar meteorites and the
I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar
material.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html
Phil Whitmer
This story has already gone viral. The Washington Post, considered by many
to be an impeccable souce, (rightly or wrongly) just misspoke the truth
twice.
It is illegal for individuals to own moon material.
The woman said she was unaware of the history of the dust, and gave it up
to
This is what they're talking about:
http://www.diamondappraised.com/apollo/apollo11dust.htm
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Sat pics of big AZ blaze:
http://hken.ibtimes.com/articles/165284/20110618/update-6-nasa-releases-satellite-images-of-arizona-wallow-fire-pictures.htm
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MikeG,
That never gets old! LOL!
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All sales of high-potassium, non-feldspar Mercury rocks are hereby
suspended until further notice. ;)
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I retold this to my 6 year old, she laughed really hard!
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I was hoping to see a photo of the 5-foot snake. I've never seen a
snake with feet! ;)
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After the dust has settled, only the seven-headed beast shall remain
standing. The Hydra heads of the Leviathan will be called: FaceBook,
Walmart, Ebay, Apple, Exxon, Microsoft and Wikipedia.
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An orange-robed Buddhist monk, a Catholic priest and a Lutheran
And the names of the ten-headed Hydra beast shall be FaceBook, Walmart,
Google, Ebay, Apple, Exxon, General Electric, General Motors, Microsoft and
Wikipedia.
Phil Whitmer
So a Greek Orthodox priest, the Dalai Lhama and a Jewish rabbi are knocking
back a few
I hadn't heard about this Lake Superior crater. Interesting that the islands
are the central uplift formation of the crater.
Click the link for the rest of the pdf with maps and pics.
Phil Whitmer
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19970028016_1997050774.pdf
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One of the world's biggest shattercones at Slate Island:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/chuckexpeditions/2957527136/
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Dan:
Probably not.
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A Catholic priest, a rabbi and a Buddhist monk enter a bar. The bartender
immediately retorts: What is this, a joke?
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If they had no value, why would anyone want to steal them?
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Police resume probe into theft of meteorite pieces
A Selvaraj, May 29, 2011, 02.35am
Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of tribes.
They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual tribes. We
don't know the names of prehistoric tribes because they left no written
histories. The large earthworks built by Midwestern and Eastern
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Just a few minor corrections. Hopewell and Anasazi are not names of
tribes.
They signify prehistoric traditions or cultures, not individual
Man, I knew that thing was too weird to be a meteorite. I wonder if the the
MetBull will take it off their list or will they leave it, like they're
doing with the Al Haggounia 001 aubrite kerfuffel.
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Greetings:
I just received a preliminary abstract
Eyewitnesses are the most unreliable kind. Especially when it comes to
meteors.
Phil Whitmer
Spoke to several people from Creston and Area who have confirmed
hearing and
seeing the meteor hitting Kootenay Lake...
I haven't been following this, but was this at night? If so, then
Morning, folks!
I've been reading about what causes meteor colors.
When a dust particle meteoroid hits the atmosphere and burns up, it produces
a streak of light known as a meteor. Colliding air molecules create a
vaporous cloud of sodium, iron and magnesium atoms. In a cue ball effect,
I'm pretty sure the rooster came first.
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The geologists at the local universities refer a lot of possible meteorites
to our museum, where we have a fairly extensive meteorite collection. A guy
brought these in a few days ago. They were found in a farm field. I told him
they were probably slag. They look like they have caliche on them,
Dear NYT,
I understand that times are hard and you can't afford to pay reporters what
you used to. Changing to a paid subscription on the Internet will cost you
lots of readers. I certainly will be reading the WaPo from now on. I can see
how you have to drum up a readership. You have bills to
Not only that, but now you have to pay the NYT to read their dumb articles.
I propose that Martin Altmann compose a scathing rebuttal to this melange of
blithering blather.
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It's about time you guys kissed and made up! (OK, a firm handshake will
suffice!) The World's Most Famous Meteorite Hunter and the World's Greatest
Meteorite Hunter should let bygones be bygones and at least share a cordial
working relationship. By that I mean guest appearances on the show
Rob:
That's Treasure of the Sierra Madre Country done there in Durango State.
You'll need mules, tobacco (to share with the natives), coffee, bacon, metal
detectors, GPS device, a satellite phone, snake boots, a pair of those
specially reinforced brush jeans, machete and a sharpening stone and
I like the part about the three propulsion systems:
http://www.starnewsonline.com/article/20110322/ARTICLES/110329902/-1/news06?Title=Possible-meteorite-lights-up-sky-911-phone-linestc=ar
Possible meteorite lights up sky, 911 phone lines
Published: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 at 9:31 p.m.
Last
Mad as a March Hare, nuttier than squirrel feculence.
Happy Lunar Perigee Day!
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http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headlines/Man_Wants_Montrose_Recognized_as_the_Meteorite_Capitol_of_the_World_118308919.html
Rob Wesel
Looks like Cardiff has had enough of the screwey panspermia balderdash
dished out by this guy.
Summum Luna,
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The landlords got outlawyered:
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By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM
When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal
limbo.
The oblong
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