Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-12 Thread Mark Bowling
@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 2:26:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question their claim was for specific minerals, of which a meteorite isn't included There were four claims registered and they were named after four planets, Jupiter, Saturn, Mars and Venus.  A map that I saw

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-12 Thread R N Hartman
10, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question And in the eyes of the law, a mining claim is a property right, which can be bought, sold, used as collateral, etc. So on one hand, they are the property owners. But a good counter argument is that their claim was for specific

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-11 Thread Mark Bowling
Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:27:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question Hi Greg and all, Not a silly question if you like fish! Seriously, the minors who had a legal claim where the Old Woman was found had their meteorite taken from them. I don't know off hand if there are any other

[meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Greg Stanley
Now you're just being silly. I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: How many of you were FORCED... FORCED to give your meteorite(s) to the Smithsonian? Greg S. From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: almi...@localnet.com;

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread al mitt
: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 3:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question Now you're just being silly. I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: How many of you were FORCED... FORCED to give your meteorite(s) to the Smithsonian? Greg S

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Larry Twink Monrad
As I had said on this list a few weeks ago, the original Gold Basin team of three gave a percentage of our first finds to the Smithsonian as that is what the University of Arizona asked us to do and we did it willingly and cheerfully. Twink Monrad Re: I have a question to everyone who hunts

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Jeff Grossman
I just threw the number 50% out there because it seemed like a fair compromise. Trust me, collectors won't get such a deal from the federal government on vertebrate fossils or cultural artifacts! But in this case, everybody wins if the owner (the federal govt, representing the people) splits

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread wahlperry
-list] A Simple Question I just threw the number 50% out there because it seemed like a fair compromise. Trust me, collectors won't get such a deal from the federal government on vertebrate fossils or cultural artifacts! But in this case, everybody wins if the owner (the federal govt

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 10 Mar 2010 15:27:31 -0500, you wrote: Hi Greg and all, Not a silly question if you like fish! Seriously, the minors who had a legal claim where the Old Woman was found had their meteorite taken from them. I Well, that's your problem right there-- you can't enter into a legal

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Mark Bowling
...@sbcglobal.net; almi...@localnet.com; altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:19:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question Now you're just being silly. I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: How many of you were

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Gary Fujihara
...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:19:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question Now you're just being silly. I have a question to everyone who hunts Federal Lands: How many of you were FORCED... FORCED to give your meteorite(s

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Mark Bowling
I guess the lesson there is careful what you wish for! ;-)  That is too funny! - Original Message From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 1:53:17 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question I agree

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread cdtucson
Jeff, Again with all due respect. You said; the owners get nothing and anybody who collects meteorites could be a criminal. I agree with Sonny, How about 20% but of the first find only? Then they can buy any amount they want after that. Remember they would not even let OUR Meteorite men

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Galactic Stone Ironworks
Hi Jeff, I think I speak for many when I say you are a voice of logic and reason amidst the chaos and bickering on this issue (including my own). Hopefully the Meteoritical Society and IMCA will both be very vocal in defense of common sense on this issue - this is not a time to sit back, be

[meteorite-list] A simple question

2010-03-10 Thread MIke Antonelli
During my investigation and hunt for the Chicora meteorite, I found out the Smithsonian strong-armed the owners of the specimen that was found on their own land...Stating You must turn this over in the name of science...And they did...Granted, this was in 1938, but the truth of the matter is

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2010-03-10 Thread Elizabeth Warner
So you're going to hold the Smithsonian responsible for something that happened 72 years ago?? Granted, what the reps of the Smithsonian did way back then is not cool, but I don't think that punishing the current institution is exactly fair either... I mean, if we were to search and find

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2010-03-10 Thread cdtucson
Liz, It's never too late to do the right thing is it? The smith still exists. Why should they not be held accountable for their past sins ? Our great nation was built on doing what's right wasn't it? But, we have a terrible track record of self policing. What voters can do is nudge them a bit

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2010-03-10 Thread Elizabeth Warner
Wow! That is some very bizarre logic Carly... Heaven-forbid you ever do something wrong/illegal because then we'll hold your kids and grandkids and great-grandkids accountable as well! What matters is how the Smithsonian and other museums behave now. And most museums are doing the right

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2010-03-10 Thread cdtucson
Okay, tanks for settin me strate. As long as them there are doin the recognizin we's gonna be alrite. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu wrote: Wow! That is some very bizarre logic Carly... Heaven-forbid you ever do something wrong/illegal

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Jerry Flaherty
@meteoritecentral.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question It is all a matter of enforcement - and they aren't enforcing it in every case (probably none of them, but the potential is there). As it is now, they can't keep the border sealed, so I doubt most feds

Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question

2010-03-10 Thread Mark Bowling
@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 6:46:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Simple Question True,  internet piracy, the few celebrated in the media, attempt to WARN the public that the law has teeth. Hate to be the example -- From: Mark Bowling mina

[meteorite-list] A simple question

2005-01-26 Thread Göran Axelsson
... with a number of different answers depending on who you ask... I'm going to hold a speach about meteorites on our local geology club tomorrow and it struck me that I haven't the faintest clue about how often a meteorite survives the fall. What I'm looking for is a simple number of meteorites

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2005-01-26 Thread Peanut ..
Hey Mexico Doug, Sound Familiar? Cj - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] A simple question ... with a number of different answers depending on who you

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2005-01-26 Thread Norman Lehrman
Goran, I asked this same question a while back and the general answer I received was about one fall per three square miles per thousand years. (This still begs the question of the average number of fragments per fall---). I would also appreciate any corrections list members may have to offer.

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2005-01-26 Thread Darren Garrison
I found this list: http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=192044 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list

Re: [meteorite-list] A simple question

2005-01-26 Thread Sterling K. Webb
Göran Axelsson wrote: What I'm looking for is a simple number of meteorites per square km (mile, parsek, ...) and year that hits the Earth so I could do an approximation of meteorites per year in Sweden. -- Göran Goren, List, I posted a study on the fall rate on the List back in Dec.