Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14
related, yes I think so...
Thanks for your general positive comment on this discussion.
I would agree with you on the .'more and more skeptical' about some
output of so called scientific knowlegde over the years.
Say any s
They are certainly not.
And who was it that brought forward this gelogical analysis to the wider
scientific community. It was me. I certainly didn't do any science on it.
I found it on their site. And posted it here. New Scientist then wrote
their first positive
scientific article as Carancas b
te-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14
related, yes I think so...
Thanks for your general positive comment on this discussion.
I would agree with you on the .'more and more skeptical' about some
output of so called scientific knowlegde over the years.
Say any scientist or
Thanks for your general positive comment on this discussion.
I would agree with you on the .'more and more skeptical' about some
output of so called scientific knowlegde over the years.
Say any scientist or budding scientist have a model on some kind of aspect
of nature. The model can be quite o
The posted orbit for the Russian meteor doesn't resemble in any way 2012
DA14. There is a difference of 7 degrees in the
inclination alone - about 4 degrees for the meteor and 2012 DA's
inclination is 11.6 degrees.
Both the Node and Arg Peri are also different.
Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC
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Thank you Chris
I learned with your great answer.
Best regards
Michael B.
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From: "Chris Peterson"
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 9:50 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14
related, yes
It takes a large amount of energy to split a massive body into
components with radically different orbits (and that these bodies have
radically different orbits is known beyond reasonable doubt). That
energy could be supplied explosively, as when a pair of bodies collide.
But that amount of ene
Hi Rob
Your 1+1=2 doesn't convince me
BUT your Devil's Advocate much more...
I am glad I pursued on this, because NOW
I am getting a tangible answer
Thank you !
best regards to all
Michael B.
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From: "Rob Matson"
Sent: Saturday, February 16,
Hi Michael,
> ... I have learned to be more and more skeptical about the common/obvious
> knowledge over the years... You might be right... but be careful about your
> high level of "certainty"...
The level of celestial mechanical certainty involved here is comparable to the
uncertainty that 1+1
y, February 16, 2013 9:21 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14
related, yes I think so...
Skepticism does not require having significant doubt about things which
are well understood. The suggestion that has been offered is either the
product of extreme igno
Skepticism does not require having significant doubt about things which
are well understood. The suggestion that has been offered is either the
product of extreme ignorance or of outright pseudoscience (well, the
question was a fair one, but the insistence upon sticking with the
belief in light
ssia mega meteor and asteroid 2012DA14
related, yes I think so...
The orbital elements are precisely known for DA14, and the estimated
elements for the meteor are certainly not far off. You don't understand
orbital dynamics at all if you believe these two bodies could have been in
paral
The orbital elements are precisely known for DA14, and the estimated
elements for the meteor are certainly not far off. You don't understand
orbital dynamics at all if you believe these two bodies could have been
in parallel orbits. They were not. There is no plausible mechanism that
could have
;t listen to the "reasonable",
classical, main stream comments and deductions anymore...
Cheers
Michael B.
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From: "Bjorn Sorheim"
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2013 8:04 PM
To:
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Russia mega meteor and
I must be starting praying for you MIke!!?
That's the most clueless article about these events I have ever seen.
Or someone purporting to know anything about celestial mechanics.
Wired and author Helene McLaughlin doesn't know a thing about celestial
mechanics.
The diagram is totally wrong, and
Esko posted these yesterday on meteor obs. This is estimated. The
wired article said it used SETI results.
Using mainly the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZxXYscmgRg
and the weather satellite image, with no real good calibrations, I get a
rough solar system orbit ( the last stage by means
Where are these elements posted??
It's impossible that they could be as different as you state here.
My mailbox got full yesterday, so if they have been posted on this list
while I could not receive any new messages, I must apologize.
But if not, post the elements or supply a link.
It is interest
good article that shows graphically why/how these are not related.
http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2013/02/asteroids-and-meteors-same-day/
On Sat, Feb 16, 2013 at 10:11 AM, Chris Peterson
wrote:
> I'm talking about two different trajectories. Different inclinations,
> different semimajor axes, (ve
I'm talking about two different trajectories. Different inclinations,
different semimajor axes, (very) different eccentricities, (very)
different geocentric velocities. There is no plausible mechanism for
ending up with two pieces of the same body in such radically different
orbits- it would re
I would think there would be more objects trailing a (small) asteroid, yes.
But what forces releases a smaller fragment from an asteroid/meteoroide?
Rotation, tension in the rock, gas release underneath? Some of these forces
could
be strong and send them forwards with some speed.
I'm not shure
Bjorne just a quick thought, wouldn't this impact been after the fact given the
passage of the NEO 2012DA14 instead of before if the events were related?
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Bjorn Sorheim wrote:
>
> Two completely different trajectories??
> What the heck are you
Two completely different trajectories??
What the heck are you talking about?
They are quite similar. It would not at this point say they are identical.
In WHAT way are they _completely different_, elaborate please.
And don't be so d** arrogant, for christ sake.
I could mention that the foremost c
It is 100% certain that the two bodies are unrelated, given the physical
impossibility of a single object producing the two completely different
trajectories involved. I'd suggest you study orbital dynamics before
making scientifically unsound suggestions.
NASA has made no "final verdict". It'
The trajectory through the siberian atmosphere doesn't seem to be known with
very great precisison at the time.
I am working out from this statement from Jeremie Vaubaillon
on the [IMO-News] saying:
"the bolide was heading very roughly North-East towards South-West".
Looking at the geometry of
Wow.
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On Feb 15, 2013, at 9:21 PM, Jodie Reynolds wrote:
> Hello Bjørn,
>
> Ok, what _evidence_ do you have to the contrary?
>
> /DA14's trajectory is trivially established precisely. Show us this
> new body matches that trajectory. It either does or it doesn't. You
> ar
Hello Bjørn,
Ok, what _evidence_ do you have to the contrary?
/DA14's trajectory is trivially established precisely. Show us this
new body matches that trajectory. It either does or it doesn't. You
are claiming it does, so now you need to present your case.
Finger-pointing and innuendo does n
All the various arguments against it being a connection between the russian
meteor of today and the asteroid passage also today of 2012 DA14 are quite
shallow and actually faulty. The closest passage of a very large asteroid
object ever and the the most damaging (for humans) meteorite fall ev
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