Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-17 Thread Jeffrey Shallit
From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-17 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
I'm with you on the skepticism. I didn't believe it at first either. It takes a bit more research than just scanning a single archive to uncover information. Einstein is making the statement in regard to a form of diagnostical health dowsing, an area I think is pretty bogus. I was

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-17 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. I think I may have stumbled on the video you are

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Michael Blood
I think I have to side with Einstein Michael On 10/13/10 5:38 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Mark Ford
In my experience, divining really just doesn't work, trouble is we want it to work, because it seems like it should, but if anyone has ever seen a so called psychic using a pendulum, you can see just what's going on. Positive reinforcement is a powerful thing! Notice how a device that's

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Pete Pete
a meteorite? Cheers, Pete From: c...@alumni.caltech.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:14:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron I don't think Einstein's understanding of magnetic

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Jerry Flaherty
The Classical Geeks?? -- From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:44 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Hi Eric, A big Duh

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Thomas
On 10/13/2010 7:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: If the universe is random, then why is it so orderly and predictable? Because the dice are loaded. (not a joke) Thomas M __ Visit the Archives at

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Martin Altmann
: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron On 10/13/2010 7:22 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: If the universe is random, then why is it so orderly and predictable? Because the dice are loaded. (not a joke) Thomas M __ Visit the Archives

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Years ago, an employee of the local utility company told me his foreman always kept a pair of dowsing rods in his tool truck. He said he didn't know how or why they worked, and didn't care, they were just practical to use. At the time I thought he was b'sing me.

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread Chris Peterson
* Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-14 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
- Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Years ago, an employee of the local utility company told me his

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Murray
List, If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining rods out of coat hangers or something

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:52 -0600, you wrote: If someone out there with a baseball size or larger iron wouldn't mind performing a little test with it I would appreciate hearing back from them on how it turned out. To test what I had in mind you will need to make a couple metal divining

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Murray
Maybe not the best method of locating but they do cross over some things. Water lines, phone lines, power lines, etc. I know they will cross over iron. Just curious if they will over meteoric iron also. On Oct 13, 2010, at 10:23 AM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 10:14:52

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Chris Peterson
...@charter.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Maybe not the best method of locating but they do cross over some things. Water lines, phone lines, power lines, etc. I know

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Or
I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Thanks Darren for telling it like it is. You could win a million bucks from the James Randi Educational Foundation if you can show that divining rods, or any other Hooey can be

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
I saw the Amazing Randi perform his stage act back in the '70s. He did some incredible things. He took two class rings from guys sitting right next to me and interlocked them. The rings were passed down the row to Randi and back and I held them before and after they were interlocked. It was

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Michael Murray
I respect everyone's opinion on this. I expected there would b quite a few that think the method is BS. I really wasn't looking into this as a way of hunting meteorites. Actually was wanting to know whether or not it works over meteoric iron as another possible method of culling man-made

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:54:10 -0700, you wrote: I couldn't resist on this one. With all due respect,some of the members of the list need to visit www.randi.org Randi himself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMtuWymUzz4 The ideomotor effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideomotor_effect

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread e-mail ensoramanda
Hi All, I was in two minds about sharing this with the list as I am usually with Darren on this sort of stuff...but I just had to tell this storyand I am a complete non believer in these sorts of things! When visiting my friend on his farm many years ago we were watching some builders doing

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Kowalski
Interesting story Graham. I'm also not convinced by these claims and have never seen a truly uncorrupted experiment of these claims. The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread e-mail ensoramanda
Hi Richard, Yes I am of a similar mind...not convinced but intrigued. The unexplained in this world is always intriguing and I suppose its what inspires the inquisitive mind, scientist, artist or just plain weirdo to look for their own answer. Keep up the good work, Cheers, Graham On 14

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: The closest thing I've seen was broadcast on TV over a decade ago, which I think originally aired in Australia. It was a supposed double-blind experiment run by none other than Randy himself. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VAasVXtCOI I'm

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain factors which are unknown to us at this time. -

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread John Burch
Good one! Sent from my iPod On Oct 13, 2010, at 17:38, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Darren Garrison
On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 20:38:52 -0400, you wrote: I know very well that many scientists consider dowsing as a type of superstition. According to my conviction this is, however, unjustified. The dowsing rod is a simple instrument which shows the reaction of the human nervous system to certain

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Kowalski
...@charter.net wrote: From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 4:48 PM On Wed, 13 Oct 2010 16:10:51 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: The closest thing I've seen

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Either that, or as Albert thought, the central tenet, the core belief in randomness that lays the foundation of quantum mechanics is wrong. When Al says that He doesn't throw dice, he's expressing a disbelief in the randomness of the universe. He's echoing the teleological beliefs of Aristotle

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Chris Peterson
Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron I know very well that many

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Richard Montgomery
! - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 7:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Either that, or as Albert thought, the central tenet, the core

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Chris, Let me get this straight, the author of Special Relativity is unqualified to offer an expert opinion on theoretical physics. I would be better off conferring with Joe Blow from Kokomo, the guy that picks through the trash in the alley. Joe claims to have invented string theory, but lost

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Chris Peterson
Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 9:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Chris, Let me

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Meteorites USA
Hi Phil, I think Chris was referring to Einstein's knowledge of the physiological makeup of the human nervous system. Which Einstein would probably not in fact be qualified to answer on. I would think that a theoretical physicist would know a little about the physical system of the human body

[meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread JoshuaTreeMuseum
Hi Eric, A big Duh!! on my part. Thanks for pointing out the obvious. Chris, I concede your point, Albert was no expert on the human nervous system. And you're right, everyone is a philospher. And everyone says dumb stuff, e.g. look at all the silly things that Hawking says. When it comes to

Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron

2010-10-13 Thread Chris Peterson
@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Try divining rods over a large iron Hi Phil, I think Chris was referring to Einstein's knowledge of the physiological makeup of the human nervous system. Which Einstein would probably not in fact be qualified