Bill,
I have never asked for, nor received one of his freebies, though I
will admit to having purchased meteorites from him at more than
reasonable prices. But you apparently have a problem with someone
giving away meteorites on a regular basis, and with someone who
doesn't use a sense of
Alright Jason, you have stated your opinion now respectfully drop it,
or continue to say the same thing over and over in different words...
Standing up for what you believe is important and no one should ever
listen to anyone who says to not even bother to stand up for what they
believe or to
you know what I meant Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 00:13:01 -0700
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wire Fraud and Steve Arnold ofChicago...wasnwa
1794
Erik,
You just told me not to stand up for what I believe in.
So you're
So I'm wrong for telling someone - who is telling someone else to be
quiet - to be quiet.
That's what you said.
If you'd wanted to make sense, you should have condemned Bill all the
more, for telling someone who was just speaking their mind to shut up
- otherwise you're just being irrational.
This is not the post anyone is expecting and it addresses everyone so please
read to the end. As I am the originator of the thread this is for all: from
the pacifist who were not privy to Steve's of Illinois complete meteorite
dealings and for the others that experienced them personally:
Thanks? I'm not bunny-hopping around anything.
You're the one going about meaning things without saying them.
I don't need to tell Bill to be quiet because you already did.
So now I'm going to go ahead and tell you that you shouldn't go and
openly criticize someone - and simultaneously
Listoids
I'll post this link for youse guys
http://www.australianmuseum.net.au/pdf/publications/478_complete.pdf
A glorious olde book on Australian meteorites
Australian Meteorites by T Hodge-Smith 1939
The Australian Museum Memoir VII
If listoids could share any links on other articles on
Hola All,
A very dignified and respectful message from the very person who made
it his mission to persecute the 'gentle giant' himself.
I would like to point out the past.
Elton's comments about Steve have ranged from the recent:
Do you get a cut in your unemployment check so now it is only $35 a
Why not take a 12-gauge shotgun and shoot the image of our hobby? It
would have the same effect.
I'll wait to hear Mike and Sonny's side of the story before I pass
judgement, but unless it's a good explanation - they have both lost my
respect and business.
MikeG
On 4/2/09, Darren Garrison
Beautiful iron! :)
It reminds me of Udei Station. :)
On 4/1/09, Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com wrote:
Dear list members,
The 161.9 gram slice of the Algerian silicated iron ends in less than two
days and the bid price is still less than $4 a gram at this point! These
were
G'Day List
After evaluating the knowledge I had gained this week on the Meteorite List,
I have come to the conclusion we desperately need an upgrade.
So I propose a name change, the Meteorite List a.k.a. Met-List be named
Bitch List a.k.a. Bit-List which is quite appropriate considering no
Forwarded links from the Meteorobs list Looks like a fishy squishie The
degree symbol appears to be part of the the substitution of ? in the
coordinates but I can't easily jam it into any of my map programs.
43*15'57.11 N
05*23'25.46 E
.amateur astronomer located in Marseille, France
In a constructive thread, I'd like to hear more about how the hunters
out there discuss hunting private property with landowners, how they
determine who owns the property, do you pay a fee normally, do you do
a formal written agreement on split of find. Could be that if some of
the more
Howdy, all
I lost track of who was producing the strewn field map for the West
fall, so I need to send this out to everyone. Any word on when that map
will be available? It would be very helpful to compare it to the radar data
and start work on a method of predicting strewn fields from
Maybe the words to do it right weren't the best choice of words. I
meant so that one could be reasonably assured they have covered all
the bases so that they don't offend a property owner or get in trouble
with the law. Hope that helps.
Mike
On Apr 2, 2009, at 11:01 AM, Michael Murray
Aloha Ryan,
I saw your webshots web page and was interested in the Juancheng 197g
individual and the Millbillillie 212g individual. Are these still
available, and how much are you asking?
Gary Fujihara
AstroDay Institute
105 Puhili Place, Hilo, HI 96720
(808) 640-9161, fuj...@mac.com
Dear List Members,
I have several exciting auctions listed this week. I lowered the prices on
many items, including the very rare Dhofar 700 Vesiculated Diogenite slices.
These are below what the ordinary chondrite that fell in West, Texas is going
for, go figure. These were prepared at
Hello,
Good idea and I will try and work on a small essay over the next day
or so, detailing how I deal with private property owners...
Best Wishes
Michael Cottingham
On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:01 AM, Michael Murray wrote:
In a constructive thread, I'd like to hear more about how the
Hi Geoff, Brenham Steve, all -
Congratulations. If I remember,correctly, one of the science television
networks was involved in the initial Brenham recovery.
Other meteorite hunts could make great television - I suppose with the stills,
footage and a little re-enactment, several shows could
Listoids:
At the company where I work we deal with landowners frequently. We often need
permission to install our equipment on their property. One thing I can say;
they are all different. Some will charge us a fee and others will not. Some
will refuse us to use their property altogether;
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Date: April 2, 2009 11:29:29 AM GMT-07:00
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Subject: AD: A Real Nice Group Of Auctions This Week, A Main Mass,
Some Larger Specimens and Many Rarities.
Here is this week's Space
Hello everyone I am not going to get involved in a long discussion
here, I just want to state for the record what happened to me. I was
charged with walking down an UN posted dirt road. I was charged with 2
counts as I parked my rental vehicle in plain sight on a highway and
did walk down this UN
He's not the person who turns people away from the hobby;
it's mean-spirited people like you who make others feel unwelcome.
His posts have never been derogatory. Ill-conceived, maybe. Lacking
foresight, probably in many cases. But malevolent, like yours, never.
Jason, for heaven's sake.
Hi Mike and List,
I apologize to Mike and Sonny for my harsh words earlier. I live in
the deep south and I should know what the local good old boy club is
capable of. I think it's safe to say that I will steer well clear of
Burke County Georgia or any county that borders on it, and maybe any
I'd hate to break down next to this lady's farm. I can imagine being arrested
while walking to her house to ask if I could call a tow truck!
OT: Although he may have been annoying to some, I will miss Chicago Steve.
I'm sorry he felt he couldn't even lurk on the List any more, but he may
Here's a couple things pertaining to Colorado you might want to check
out before planning your hunt in this state: Each person must have a
Colorado Wildlife Habitat Stamp on their person if they plan to cross
or enter a State Wildlife Area or some of the State leased properties.
The rules
Hey list,
I have a very nicely shaped, oriented (has a 'tail'), 94g 100% primary
fusion crusted West meteorite which I found on 3/20 after one period
of rainfall had hit the strewn field. Field photos of the meteorite
insitu and next to the impact pit are available as well as a signed
bill of
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite news -2 arrested update
(Dude--Where's My Car edition)
Why not take a 12-gauge shotgun and shoot the image of our hobby? It
would have the same effect.
I'll wait to hear Mike and Sonny's side of the story before I pass
judgement, but unless it's
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 19:48:01 +, you wrote:
I'd hate to break down next to this lady's farm.
I can imagine being arrested while walking to
her house to ask if I could call a tow truck!
Read this last paragraph from the article I posted:
Would-be criminals should probably take heed. Last
The issue of trespassing on Arizona State lands should be addressed
here as well. Whether you're hunting meteorites, hiking, bird
watching or participating in any other activity on Arizona State
lands, you must have a special permit. I must be clear about the
meteorite hunting issue. Having
Thanks, Bernd. Your words, words of a list-authority, are highly welcome.
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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Wire Fraud and Steve
ArnoldofChicago...wasnwa
Hi John and List,
This guy was all business, nothing pleasant or polite in the least way.
This is probably what Jay meant when he wrote:
I suppose that's the American way ...
With due respect, there are Brits and there are Germans, but what are
Americans? They are a melting pot or a salad
Mike:
Thanks for sharing your experience and views. Your comments
really struck home for me. Many of us tend to think because we all
live in the USA that things are not that different a few hundred miles
in one direction or another. During the 1970s I hitch hiked and
hopped
AMEN!!!
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Sent: Thursday, April 02, 2009 5:05 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: Wire Fraud and
SteveArnoldofChicago...wasnwa 1794
Thanks, Bernd.
List,
I haven't talked with either Sonny or Mike yet, but some of this story
smells a little fishy.
Not that you can believe anything you see or read in the media, as stories
seldom get confirmation before deadlines have to be reached, and stories tend
to get sensationalized for sales
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:20:46 EDT, you wrote:
I am not saying that Sonny and Mike almost stumbled onto a secret garden in
Georgia, or that the judge and other law enforcement personnel might have
been partners in some Southern Mafia where they would want ALL meteorite
hunters to stay out of
Hi All,
I really have nothing more to add to Mike's statement regarding what
happened in Georgia! Meteorite hunters are not welcome trust us on
this! I can not tell you guys how nice it was to walk into my house and
put my arms around my family.
Sonny
-Original Message-
From:
Steve,
Read the article again. A 66 year old lady confronted two burglers on her
property last October. Given that, Sonny and Mike are lucky they only had to
pay a $2K fine. They might have been shot. I like and respect Sonny and
Mike, but if they didn't ask permission in the first place,
I can not tell you guys how nice it was to walk
into my house and put my arms around my family.
Beautiful words! Thank you for sharing !!!
Best,
Bernd
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Hi Rob,
Rob McCafferty wrote:
In the UK we say STAY ORF MY LAAAND!, usually with a farmers shotgun in hand.
H. Did the British government miss taking away one of the farmer's
shotguns?
I'll bet they would like to know where it is.
I suppose we could always resort to the old SD method
On Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:47:34 -0400, you wrote:
Read the article again. A 66 year old lady confronted two burglers on her
property last October. Given that, Sonny and Mike are lucky they only had to
pay a $2K fine. They might have been shot. I like and respect Sonny and
Mike, but if they
Hi List, Mike Miller and Sonny
Honestly, I was waiting for more info before reacting.
Already the Criminal part of trespassing had the exaggerated part which
made me wait...
I am not a meteorite hunter, maybe one day when time allows :)
I trust what you say here Mike.
It is that implacable:
why don't you put a sign private road, trespassers will be
fined/prosecuted
like in NY and many other states ?
I go often off road all around the world, I would have never imagined
that a private road wouldn't be marked... and have quite some experience
going off roads, or off the beaten paths.
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:24:29 +0200, you wrote:
why don't you put a sign private road, trespassers will be
fined/prosecuted
I would guess because it is pretty much taken for granted (here, at least) that
a road that isn't paved and doesn't have signs is a private driveway leading to
a home or a
Hello Everyone,
Burke county is an interesting place. It's about an hour-and-a-half from
where I live. Sort of contradictory. I have been traveling through there
for 25 years or so. I know it fairly well. The people there keep to
themselves. Pretty conservative. Nice folks until you
Jason, for heaven's sake. Please stop such silly talk. I've always
considered
Agreed. Sheesh, Jason, give it a rest.
-Walter Branch
-
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To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent:
Dave (and list),
I will address the things point by point:
In a message dated 4/2/2009 4:47:22 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
carother...@gmail.com writes:
Read the article again. A 66 year old lady confronted two burglers on her
property last October. Given that, Sonny and Mike are lucky
Not saying anything against this farmer in particular but that's a
real possibility anywhere... to run onto a clandestine lab or weed
patch. Or, even a shroom growing operation. Not entirely impossible,
especially here in Colorado. The people involved in these types of
activities might
Hola Adam, All,
But that was the problem with West.
The atmosphere was positively toxic when we went because farmers and
landowners who had been paid $1/g for their stones saw them going on
ebay a few days later for $100/g. There was a great deal of land that
hadn't been searched and hadn't been
List,
I have a poor quality photo of a polished thin section that I am tying to
identify what the mineral is. One told me it is shocked (mosaic) Olivine?
Would one of you kind folks please help. see at link below.
Thank you.
Carl Esparza
IMCA 5829
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=2ikede8s=5
Okay, maybe they DID walk onto the set of Dukes of Hazzard:
http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/burke.jpg
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Jason et. al.
Did anyone offer to act as a broker? Rather than paying
outright, have a contract stating the total number of grams retrieved
and a percentage for selling them. I know most hunters would rather
own what they sell, but it beats leaving specimens to weather in the
George, All,
I agree - it sounds good (something *is* better than nothing), but the
trouble is that we simply ran into a brick wall with many of them.
We'd call and they'd just say 'not interested' and hang up. Or tell
us that it was private property and to shove off.
Admittedly, we only had the
ok Darren, I have to minor my previous post
In NY state, when I see a mailbox in front of an unpaved road
I know that it is (at least partially) private and won't go, even if no
sign.
USA being a rather new country, most of the roads go to a private
property, I have to admit,
not like in
Hello George,
I have done something similar in the past at places like what we did at
Brenham. But with so much land to cover at West, and so little time to cover
it,
for me it was just easier to hunt where one was wanted. I had ground where
land owners were happy to let us hunt with no
test , delet please
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Hi all
or maybe doing like French law, where the Finder shares with the Owner
of the property/land 50%-50% the price of the Find ?
Just a suggestion. Might be silly ?!
Michael B, France
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test ,delet please
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Jason,
Remind us all what weights you found and how much the trip cost you and your
dad, and the cost of the time your dad had to invest in lost Medical Doctor
wages to find what you guys found? OK, leave out of the formula what your
dad's time is worth, that is none of our business. Why
On Fri, 3 Apr 2009 01:57:17 +0200, you wrote:
I feel that Mike Miller and Sonny never seriously thought they were on
private property
No, I make no claim at all that they had any intention of doing anything
wrong-- just that I can see the land owner's point of view. (And I'm more
likely to
No, I make no claim at all that they had any intention of doing anything
wrong-- just that I can see the land owner's point of view. (And I'm more
likely to trust the judgement of objective third parties like the police and
court system than those of the two sides of the case).
This all
I didn't say so Darren
+ the quote you answer to wasn't intended to you.
Michael, France
PS: although... be cautious with the objectivity of 3rd parties :)
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Sent: Friday, April 03,
I don't doubt that Mike and Sonny were on private land without permission,
they have admitted so.
Was there was grounds for an arrest buy an unbiased police men?
Sure.
It was for a court case to decide their guilt, had they wanted to plead Not
Guilty. As I understand, they decided to
Hello Listers and Ryan
Sorry to come back to Chicago Steve thread...
Ryan, I can't more agree with your post !
I am new to the list, but it didn't take me long (without looking at
archives) to
be cautious with Chicago Steve (Steve # 1...? well...)
His fake AD wasn't just bad taste but simply
Regarding the Judge and his Get out of Dodge statement. That's not
uncommon. If you've ever seen some of the videos of cops in action, you'll
see that they tell suspicious people to get out of neighborhoods all the
time.
I was once a fireman and many years ago, I recall being on a call
Result ? same blunt 3 words answer with a mistake in pricing reminding me
our off-list
email exchanges about some Sikhote Alin a month ago... Chicago Steve needing
3 emails
to figure out what photo referred to what grams and subsequently what
price... I gave up
I bought 2 Sikhote-alins
Hello Michael,
Although I felt that his false claims were in poor taste, perhaps all of this
has gone a bit too far. I never had any major squabbles with Steve in the past,
so it's actually kind of disappointing to see how far this whole thing has
progressed over the last 48 hrs or so. He is
good for you GeoZay :)
I guess he was not interested enough to sell to someone in France, selling
the Sikhote
Alins off list + on ebay at the same time... and waiting 5 min before they
ended on ebay to
answer how much it will cost for shipping to France.
Whatever frustrating this was for a
Hi Rob, All,
On the other hand, here in the UK I was brought up in the countryside on a farm
where there has always been a 'right to roam' and have never feared walking the
fields and the many footpaths, often straying away from so called rights of
way, but still being considerate and
I guess he was not interested enough to sell to someone in France, selling
the Sikhote
Alins off list + on ebay at the same time... and waiting 5 min before they
ended on ebay to
answer how much it will cost for shipping to France.
He didn't sell them to me off list and ebay at the same
Greetings List Members:
For those with possible interest, please take a look.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200325444720ssPageName=ADM
E:X:AAQ:US:1123
Thanks
Juris
jpbrock...@aol.com
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Boy... lets end that GeoZay
I didn't bid on ebay, I saw by coincidence that he was proposing on ebay at
the same time
as proposing off-list with 3 fotos he sent, not telling what foto referred
to what grams and price.
It must not be the same time, because the fotos were great...
On ebay,
Hello,
Not to get into this argument too deep, but I think you (Jason) are
leaving out a very important part of your pricing train of thought.
First, you got to hunt in an established strewn field, one that took
many people hundreds of hours to establish. There were many fields
that
Hi Steve,
I'll briefly reply in the same manner...
In a message dated 4/2/2009 7:05 PM
meteorh...@aol.com writes:
Steve said:
Were they actually burglars, or were they just knocking on her door asking
to use the phone for their broken down car?
I am sure they were probably burglars. But my
That's a sorry state of affairs, but unfortunately, there are many such
stories like this across the US every day.
Dave
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Hello Jason,
I have a feeling this is going to get deep.
You are a collector that likes to buy things as cheap as you can, intending
to never sell your collection ever, and as such, your only concern is to get
as much good stuff as cheap as you can. You don't care at all what your
Dave,
You said:
I thank you for the detailed explanation, but I still have issue with your
idea that a land owner would owe you an explanation other than No when
asked to search their property.
When I clearly stated in my last post:
Does he have an obligation to tell me why he said no?
Jason and List,
Let me add:
If anyone wants to go to West and find meteorites on their own they should
try and hope they find their's at the $12/g you found yours at. And then if
they (or anyone else that has found some) want, they can sell theirs for less
than what I am selling mine
Steve,
You asked: So why do you still think that I think he OWES me an
explanation?
As I stated in my last post, it comes from comments like Often times,
people have very valid objections. Other times, they don't. or Sometimes
they will say they don't want you to hunt because 23 years
Hello All,
You can simply assume that what does not belong to you, belongs to
someone else. Private property is obvious. If it is not yours, it
belongs to someone else. Getting permission to hunt meteorites on
other people's property is an absolute must. Especially, in places
like West,
Gotta see the photo.
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/community/ecc-students-study-meteorite-526043.html
ECC students study meteorite
Contributed to the Telegram
Thursday, April 02, 2009
An Edgecombe Community College astronomy class experienced hands-on learning
recently when they
Does a chondrite have that many wholes in it?? Hard to see in photo,
but it does not remind me of any meteorite?
Michael
On Apr 2, 2009, at 10:57 PM, Darren Garrison wrote:
Gotta see the photo.
http://www.rockymounttelegram.com/news/community/ecc-students-study-meteorite-526043.html
ECC
I'm sorry, I'm just a small time collect... I've been a list member for many
years, No hunter or scientist, I'm a geologist.
I've been to Tucson for the last 10 years. I've bought alot of
meteoritesover the last many years, I've enjoyed the personal list banter
between Mateo and Farmer,
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