Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. ...Right? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Hello List, I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? I really don't know the answer to these questions. So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper later...providing the large mass would make it to market. So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone the weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth sooner? Check out my listings here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questionable Ebay listing
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[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hello Listers, I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are dealing with from the fall. At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Let’s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 dayJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:06:58 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. ...Right? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller meteoritefinder at gmail.com wrote: Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote: Hello List, I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? I really don't know the answer to these questions. So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper later...providing the large mass would make it to market. So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone the weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth sooner? Check out my listings here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Uh, excuse me, Wait a minute, ok. Something doesn't sound right here at all. I hate to be the buttinsky here and call anyone out, but as I understood it all the collectors/dealer/.amateurs/locals HAD to PAY the Farmers and Landowners Before They Left The Property with What They Found and not 1 week or 1 month or 6 months or 1 year after they walked off the property what money the meteorites were worth. Everyone PAID Upfront, not a day later nor next week or next month nor next year. People are reading about selling on ebay and then commenting that they understand that the meteorites have to be sold so that you can Pay the Farmer after they sell That is a Load of Crap. No one up there signed a contract with those landowners and farmers and showed their Driver's license or gave them their address to wait for payment. Those farmers are not idiots. They did NOT let anyone walk off their land without paying up for what was found unless people hid meteorites or ran off the property like some guy did on Friday and then the farmer chased everyone off and said no more hunting. All people up there HAD to Pay the farmer a fee such as $50 per day per person to hunt and then you had to show your meteorites to the landowner and they weighed them and you had to pay at that time $4 per gram for your half. It was a 50/50 deal. If you had a 20 gram meteorite, then it was 20 x $4 =$80 and then you had to pay the farmer $40. If this isn't correct, then please correct me now, because this is what 100 other hunters were doing and there is no Dumb Landowner that I know of that took anyone's word and is sitting back watching ebay to see how much these meteorites are going to sell for and is going to watch for the mail or watch Paypal for his half to magically appear. Aren't I right? __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869 does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls, yes, quality makes a difference. A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are individuals available. But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. In light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or individual. This is an American fall. Its price will be fairly standard, if it's at all like other American falls...Holbrook excluded because it's so large. All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are dealing with from the fall. Just you wait until these ebay auctions play out... At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Like with Ash Creek? I don't know if you were around for that, but the reason why things went sour so quickly is because dealers were paying farmers literally $1-2/g for stones that, in a few cases, later sold on ebay for $100/g (the price did drop drastically at the time, but held at $35/g for several months before coming down to the ~$20/g it is today). Let’s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics. You don't seem to understand how western (NS America, Europe, Asia to some extent) falls are priced. I would price the stone at between $4,000 and 5,000 dollars, and I would be damn happy to get it for as low as $4k. That's if this is a large fall. If it's a small fall like Whetstone...at least $5k, but the finder could easily ask for more. And get it. But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. Regards, Jason On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Brian Cox
[meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Hi Where should I start.. I guess ill start off where it was last left off at Quote un quote But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the market since 2010. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer your question with a quote un quote Bullcrap assumption. Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is if it may be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave with a sm;)e. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869 does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or take. That number generally
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. This was obviously not a Gao-sized fall, so prices will range from $20-80/g. That's what could happen. Just wait and see. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer your question with a quote un quote Bullcrap assumption. I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market.. The problem with saying this is that..well, there are a few. 1) You're advocating splitting finds with landowners in a fall where finds are few and far between. It seems a little unlikely that a given hunter is going to find two stones on any given farmer's land. It might happen - it almost undoubtedly has, but, based on what I've been hearing from the field, not all that much is being found in the same place, as occurred with Ash Creek. So, odds are the only way you're going to be able to do this is by cutting stones in half. 2) Do you think a collector or dealer is looking to sell finds to landowners at base prices? If this fall's tkw is even 20kg, prices will still be at least $20/g. Probably more for smaller complete stones. This only really becomes a problem when they find out that $5/g isn't 50/50. I wonder how long it's going to take. Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is if it may be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave with a sm;)e. I'll smile when a dealer offers me a stone for the $10/g that the dealers are saying they're worth in the field. Hell, I'll pay $15/g. Any takers? 33% over a fair price is pretty damn good. It's one thing to say that you're only willing to pay them $5/g for a stone. It's another to tell them that that's half of what it's worth on the market, because that's simply a lie. I don't like lying. So, no, I'm not smiling. Jason [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the
[meteorite-list] Regarding Livingston News Articles, slander - Attn. M. Farmer
Hello All, While perusing the sites pertaining to the fall, I've come across a number of comments by Michael Farmer. Here's a prime example (one of many): http://www.necn.com/04/23/10/Livingston-catches-hold-of-meteorite-fev/landing.html?blockID=221795feedID=4213 Now, I don't know who is actually doing this, but it seems pretty likely that they're a list-member. Seeing as computer IP addresses are logged in such cases, I would suggest that someone (Mike) might take legal action - namely since I believe that Mike really does have the legal grounds to do so. The only reason I'm posting this to the list is so that, when people see these, they know it's crap posted by...what appears to be another low-life on the list. Impersonating people isn't cool. Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day
What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and brawl. Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$.. With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to argue about. In the beginning it is expensive. Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available. If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it will be more expensive, as in the beginning. If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern: Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning. How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on the number of vendors. Examples. Park Forest: 40 - 15 - 25$ Bensour: 8 - 1.5 - 6 Bilanga: 60 - 15 - 25 Carancas:100 - 30 - ? Hammami2 - 0.5 - 3 Sikhote9 - 0.3 - 3 Juancheng 3.5 - 1.5 - 5 Vilalbeto 40 - 25 - 100 And so on. In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get free again either from collections or from later additional finds. Uh. Allende 0.5 - 15 Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40 Elbogen 12 - 400 Best! Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or Pultusk. Skol Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day I see Steves point of what hes doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because its a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless its a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then its another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if its sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869 does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls, yes, quality makes a difference. A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are individuals available. But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no individuals on the market, and even slices and fragments are rare. In light of that fact, if you want a piece of it, the price per gram is fairly standard whether you're buying a slice, fragment, or individual. This is an American fall. Its price will be fairly standard, if it's at all like other American
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
List, Jason said : Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. I've bought Ash Creek and Park Forest for less than $20/gram - on more than one occasion for each. Of course, I am not going publicly state where I bought it - because I want to go back and buy more. All of the falls you mention are OC's and only worth typical OC prices. Best regards, MikeG On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Where should I start.. I guess ill start off where it was last left off at Quote un quote But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the market since 2010. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer your question with a quote un quote Bullcrap assumption. Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is if it may be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave with a sm;)e. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad
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Shawn said : Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. Wow, did meteorites go haywire while I was sleeping? NWA 869 going for $1/gram? I have 140g of NWA 869 that I will sell to any buyer for $140. I'll be holding my breath waiting for that buyer. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Listers, I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are dealing with from the fall. At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Let’s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 dayJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:06:58 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. ...Right? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller meteoritefinder at gmail.com wrote: Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, MeteorHntr at aol.com wrote: Hello List, I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? I really don't know the answer to these questions. So, instead of trying to guess at the supply and demand issues concerned here, I figured I would let the free market decide for me. My hunch is that these will sell up around $100/g but who knows for sure. Very little has made it to market, and very little may ever make it to market. Then again, a 500 pound main mass might be found and these could get a lot cheaper later...providing the large mass would make it to market. So I have put up a couple of part slices on ebay tonight with a 1 day listing. I have a few more listed on the 3 day listings to allow everyone the weekend to decide if they want a part slice and if they want to bid on them. I know if I gave them a full week or 10 days the bids would likely go higher, but why waste time when we all can figure out what these are worth sooner? Check out my listings here: http://stores.ebay.com//stevearnoldmeteorites?refid=store Thanks, Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list
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- But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. What were you in 1998? Ten? Twelve years old at the most? LOL ;) On 4/24/10, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and brawl. Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$.. With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to argue about. In the beginning it is expensive. Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available. If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it will be more expensive, as in the beginning. If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern: Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning. How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on the number of vendors. Examples. Park Forest: 40 - 15 - 25$ Bensour: 8 - 1.5 - 6 Bilanga:60 - 15 - 25 Carancas:100 - 30 - ? Hammami 2 - 0.5 - 3 Sikhote9 - 0.3 - 3 Juancheng3.5 - 1.5 - 5 Vilalbeto 40 - 25 - 100 And so on. In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get free again either from collections or from later additional finds. Uh. Allende 0.5 - 15 Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40 Elbogen 12 - 400 Best! Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or Pultusk. Skol Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. This fall's not going to be sold in bulk lots. Your analogy to 869 does address quality, though...but I'm going to have to disagree with you here. Whether or not you're buying a fragment or an individual of a new fall from the US or Europe, you'll be paying $20-80/g. Give or take. That number generally depends on the availability of the fall -- not the individual specimen's quality. With more common falls, yes, quality makes a difference. A fragment of Gao is worth less than an individual because there are individuals available. But if you wanted a piece of...say, Homestead. There are no individuals on
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hello List, I have a point of order in this discussion. It does not matter what price Steve's pieces fetch. Steve was famous before being a T.V. Show star. With his current prominence, he will always bring in more per gram. Especially if HE actually found it. Meteorite Men was granted a second season right? Watch, as more new people become interested and involved, his prices will bring more. How can you 'set a standard' when the meteorites are all tainted with famous superstar mojo If anyone is actually getting mad in this discussion, I suggest the angry parties duel, place some baby powder in their slapping hand, take one step forward turn and fire. The first person with a poof of smoke and hand print across their gourd looses.*Please capture and post it to youtube for us (and don't have the person filming it shake the camera around too much or say low brow things, that's always annoying). Hey Mike, I'll give you $75. Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:09:04 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: photoph...@yahoo.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Shawn said : Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. Wow, did meteorites go haywire while I was sleeping? NWA 869 going for $1/gram? I have 140g of NWA 869 that I will sell to any buyer for $140. I'll be holding my breath waiting for that buyer. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan wrote: Hello Listers, I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if it has fusion crust, or if it’s sold as a Lot or not. With all this could get confusing with the farm and if there scientific community finds interesting finds, which could take a year or longer to verify could change the current mark price. All in all I think this situation could go in different directions depending on the comfort level the farmers have with the collectors or if the collectors out in the field have a better understanding of what they are dealing with from the fall. At any rate its best to build a good level of communication with the farmers of how the market works with new falls. Let’s say you have found a 300 gram meteorite from the fall and sat on it for a few years and nothing became of this fall then just a ordinary chondrite I would see the meteorite selling around a $1 a gram of less depend if the weathering was down to a minimal and the structure of the fusion crust was still intact and retained its physical characteristics. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 dayJason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 02:06:58 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Why should that matter? They're worth $10/g. ...Right? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Mike Miller wrote: Hey Steve do you realize some of us are still out in the field? On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: Hello List, I have just returned home today from Wisconsin with a couple of recovered specimens, one of which has been sliced. The interior on some of the slices is absolutely amazing. I have picked out a few of my favorite looking pieces and have listed them on Ebay tonight. I have been asked by many people what I think these new specimens are worth, and what I would be willing to sell mine for? I really
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Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day
(sometimes 15 if you're lucky) Below $15/g? If so, I'd like to buy whatever you didn't. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:04 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: List, Jason said : Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. I've bought Ash Creek and Park Forest for less than $20/gram - on more than one occasion for each. Of course, I am not going publicly state where I bought it - because I want to go back and buy more. All of the falls you mention are OC's and only worth typical OC prices. Best regards, MikeG On 4/24/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Where should I start.. I guess ill start off where it was last left off at Quote un quote But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. Yes this true, and don't trust me either cause I just been watching the market since 2010. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. So you are saying cut every stone from the fallNo, you said that. I merely gave some suggestions, it is your call on how you would like to interpret it. But if you want to cut them up into small pieces, then by all means do so, but please, don't try to ask a question and then answer your question with a quote un quote Bullcrap assumption. Lastly, I guess the bottom line is that by giving suggestions from different view points leaves open for how someone wants to take the information, if you want to take it as positive or nagative, by all mean do so. As for me, I like to be in the middle and play both sides, cause at the end of the day, it comes down to what your purpose is on here on the List is if it may be that your a collector, dealer, a middle man, to a hobbyist,scientist, a drive by reader or a nubie, just at the end of the day, make sure you leave with a sm;)e. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Jason Utas meteoritekid at gmail.com Sat Apr 24 07:01:11 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall Part Slices on Ebay NOW 1 day Next message: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Oh no. We went to the moon. You will have to get over that dead issue. There is too much proof. There are old guys in Australia that pointed the dish to the moon to capture the first words ever spoken that laugh at people that believe it was a hoax. You don't understand the meaning of my post. We can't get ourselves in orbit due to political nonsense. Honestly, claiming that we did not go to the moon is a HUGE discredit to all of the thousands of people that worked on the project. If we didn't go to the moon, never mind all the evidence that is clear, tell me, why didn't the Russians call us out on it??? There was a loss of life during the Apollo missions. Three good men lost their lives. To say we didn't go to the moon is to dishonor them as well. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself. Look at some of the Japanese data recently showing the landing sites. They in on it too?? Belief in here say and conjecture leads to insanity. Willie Nelson smokes weed and suddenly realizes George Bush blew up the towers. I had to listen for 8 years about how stupid our president was. Now an old withered pothead has him pegged as one of the greatest evil masterminds in history? lol fool me twice...can't fool the fooler Don't buy into the hype of something someone said under a black light whilst having epiphanies from mushrooms. Research things. Buzz Aldrin said it my favorite way when confronted with moon hoax theory. POW! He hit the guy. An old man getting so upset over the hoax nonsense that he lost his composure and offered up lumps for a response. Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:11:14 -0700 From: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit To: warren3...@hotmail.com as you said, LOL! We can't even get ourselves into orbit without help from another country. yet some still think we went to the moon...with technology from 1969, with no loss of life, and no repeat performances in 30 years! Just a thought. Jessica - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie To: METEORITE LIST Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 9:30:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit LOL! We can't even get ourselves into orbit without help from another country. Warren Sansoucie Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:20:17 -0700 From: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Regarding Livingston News Articles, slander - Attn. M. Farmer
Thanks for the alert Jason very well spoken. Elton On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, While perusing the sites pertaining to the fall, I've come across a number of comments by Michael Farmer. Here's a prime example (one of many): http://www.necn.com/04/23/10/Livingston-catches-hold-of-meteorite-fev/landing.html?blockID=221795feedID=4213 Now, I don't know who is actually doing this, but it seems pretty likely that they're a list-member. Seeing as computer IP addresses are logged in such cases, I would suggest that someone (Mike) might take legal action - namely since I believe that Mike really does have the legal grounds to do so. The only reason I'm posting this to the list is so that, when people see these, they know it's crap posted by...what appears to be another low-life on the list. Impersonating people isn't cool. Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Regarding Livingston News Articles, slander - Attn. M. Farmer
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 05:39:23 -0700, you wrote: Now, I don't know who is actually doing this, but it seems pretty likely that they're a list-member. Haven't heard from him in a while, but my guess is that the individual's name rhymes with Schmandal Peggery. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day
I've been trading online since 1999 (rockhounding since the 70's) and have been in meteorites for almost 4 (the List for about 2.5 or 3). I don't claim to be an expert - just a clown in the peanut gallery. Of course, I'm sure you'll dissect my reply into syllables and refute each one. ;) On 4/24/10, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Your point? I've been doing this since I was that old, and I've seen the market change from what it was back then (Gibeon at $80/kg, Zagami at $1k/g, historic falls at $5+/g, etc) to what it is today. And I've seen countless dealers and collectors come and go in that time. To be frank, you've only been here for a year or so. There have been many like you. I'll see if you're still here in five years. Jason On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: - But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. What were you in 1998? Ten? Twelve years old at the most? LOL ;) On 4/24/10, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and brawl. Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$.. With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to argue about. In the beginning it is expensive. Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available. If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it will be more expensive, as in the beginning. If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern: Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning. How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on the number of vendors. Examples. Park Forest: 40 - 15 - 25$ Bensour: 8 - 1.5 - 6 Bilanga:60 - 15 - 25 Carancas:100 - 30 - ? Hammami 2 - 0.5 - 3 Sikhote9 - 0.3 - 3 Juancheng3.5 - 1.5 - 5 Vilalbeto 40 - 25 - 100 And so on. In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get free again either from collections or from later additional finds. Uh. Allende 0.5 - 15 Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40 Elbogen 12 - 400 Best! Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or Pultusk. Skol Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated ordinary chondrite. If I was in this situation that the meteorite collectors are in the field I would explain to the farms the case with what could happen with falls. What I would do if I was there I would split the finds 50/50 and give them the resources of how they could sell the meteorites or purchase the meteorites at a base value of current market value prices that reflects that type of meteorite fall in the market. So you're suggesting cutting every stone found from the fall? Wow. I think there are many list-members here who would agree that that's a very, very bad idea. It's one thing to pay them a fair price. It's another to do so in such a way that you manage to destroy every stone found. Good example is the NWA 869 L4-6 meteorite. At the current rate with this ordinary chondrite, the going rate is $1 a gram or less depend on the samples, if
[meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer
Too bad this is fake, because Bat Yam would make a great name for a meteorite. And a comic book character. And Bat Yam and the Sappers would make a great band name... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1164994.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880008,00.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880005,00.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer
Ha! The wet seashells are on fire. I'm rollin'. It has a better chance of being something Mike Massimino lost on a STS mission. Warren Sansoucie From: cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:28:21 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer Too bad this is fake, because Bat Yam would make a great name for a meteorite. And a comic book character. And Bat Yam and the Sappers would make a great band name... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1164994.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880008,00.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880005,00.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Offensive Postings was Questionable Ebay Listings
Brian Cox wrote: ...I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. One wonders how the same person could justify this post of in light of the above admonition for the list to be respectful? She sounds like an old whore from the Bunny Ranch( sic) who is selling the meteorites a Date paid her for services rendered to pay for a face and body lift and resculpting. AS to the conclusion that any woman is a whore because she lives in Nevada--Well that is flabbergastingly offensive. It is not funny but insightful as to who he is inside. The members of this list need to have a deep, abiding trust in the integrity of the people they do business with--or take advice from. At the core of that trust will be the material they sell is what it is claimed to be. This we gauge from demeanor and message traffic; especially using poor satire in an inappropriate context. We can see that know he don't know squat about meteorites but his implication that all women are whores may be more experience-based even if more offensive.. People tend to frame their assumptions in the framework of experiences they are familiar with.Of course he knows his mother -- I don't... but I hope she would be offended by that post as well. Is it a coincidence that the occurrence of a rash of a prankster / cyber terrorist activity coincides with Cox's arrival? Inquiring minds want to know... Elton Being an expert in Sh*t does not make one an expert in Shinola TM __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet from the astronaut's head? Why does all of the communication sound scripted? These are professionals trained to work well under extreme pressure, now Look at the press conference after the Apollo 11 flight. It does not take an expert in body language to see that they are very uncomfortable...not elated and excited as would be the first people to walk on the moon. Computer limitations, the combined CSM and LM guidance computers totaled 152kb of memory - and this system supposedly traveled 60,000% further than any manned spacecraft has gone before or since - come on! We have lost 14 brave shuttle astronauts who never left earth orbit, at a distance of under 300 miles. We had and still have the technology to fake it, but not to land men on the moon. and don't take my word for it - go see for yourself, there are more questions than answers. - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com; METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 7:27:22 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Oh no. We went to the moon. You will have to get over that dead issue. There is too much proof. There are old guys in Australia that pointed the dish to the moon to capture the first words ever spoken that laugh at people that believe it was a hoax. You don't understand the meaning of my post. We can't get ourselves in orbit due to political nonsense. Honestly, claiming that we did not go to the moon is a HUGE discredit to all of the thousands of people that worked on the project. If we didn't go to the moon, never mind all the evidence that is clear, tell me, why didn't the Russians call us out on it??? There was a loss of life during the Apollo missions. Three good men lost their lives. To say we didn't go to the moon is to dishonor them as well. Don't take my word for it. Research it yourself. Look at some of the Japanese
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
With all due respect, I think I will choose to take my own advice to someone earlier this week and just smile and nod. Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:50:48 -0700 From: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet from the astronaut's head? Why does all of the communication sound scripted? These are professionals trained to work well under extreme pressure, now Look at the press conference after the Apollo 11 flight. It does not take an expert in body language to see that they are very uncomfortable...not elated and excited as would be the first people to walk on the moon. Computer limitations, the combined CSM and LM guidance computers totaled 152kb of memory - and this system supposedly traveled 60,000% further than any manned spacecraft has gone before or since - come on! We have lost 14 brave shuttle astronauts who never left earth orbit, at a distance of under 300 miles. We had and still have the technology to fake it, but not to land men on the moon. and don't take my word for it - go see for yourself, there are more questions than answers. - Original Message From: Warren Sansoucie To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com; METEORITE LIST Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 7:27:22 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit Oh no. We went to the moon. You will have to get over that dead issue. There is too much proof. There are old guys in Australia that pointed the dish to the moon to capture the first words ever spoken that laugh at people that believe it was a hoax. You don't understand the meaning of my post. We can't get ourselves in orbit due to political nonsense. Honestly, claiming that we did not go to the moon is a HUGE discredit to all of the
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
This nutjob has no place on a list whose members are dedicated to the science of meteoritics (or dedicated to any science). He's an embarrassment. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: power ofunity energylightandl...@yahoo.com To: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 9:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response Please Warren, your canned responses were expected... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:59:45 -0600, you wrote: This nutjob has no place on a list whose members are dedicated to the science of meteoritics (or dedicated to any science). He's an embarrassment. I agree. I'm adding a name to my killfile. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Hello Jessica, With all due respect, you have not done your homework. The questions which you pose have been discredited numerous times. And some are just plain silly. For example, how can you claim that there was no direct TV feed?? I don't know how old you are, but I sat in front of our television and watched as Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon. There are plenty of tapes...but unfortunately, the highest quality ones do seem to have been lost. Regarding your contention that there are no blurry photos and that all are perfectly composed, I must disagree. Perhaps all of the photos which you have seen are perfect but obviously, you have not seen them all. I have spent the past couple of years studying the photos from the Apollo missions as well as stitching them together and cleaning them up as necessary to create large panoramic images. There are many which are out of focus, poorly composed, taken mistakenly and damaged by lunar dust and contaminants. check out this link: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/ But overall, the highly trained astronauts did an amazing job. I don't know the first thing about golf, but just because you go out and putter around on the greens does not make you an expert...particularly when you consider the major differences between the environments here on Earth and on the Moon. Why no Stars?? The astronauts were working in daylight. How many stars (other than our sun) do you see when you go outside during the day?? No engine sound?? With no atmosphere, there is not a medium to carry the sound waves. Didn't you ever see the movie Alien?? There is a reason why they used the tag line In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream. I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Dennis Beatty ApolloCollector.com On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:50 AM, power ofunity wrote: Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Ruben and list. If someone is promising 50% of the value, then they should honor their word. Not tell the land owners they are only worth $4/g then give them $2/g pretending that is 50% of the real value. If a hunter only wants to max give up $2/g then they should be honest and say up front, before they start hunting: I'm willing to give you $2/g for anything I find, do we have a deal? If someone is claiming they are only worth $4/g, but later the land owner finds out the real value is $20/g then there might be a reason to think someone isn't being honest. My suggestion to those still in the field still is to be 100% honest with the land owners, and I would think you would have nothing to be afraid of. If giving up 50% of say $100/g is too much, then offer them 40% or 20% or 10% or 2%. If $50/g is too high of a field price, then supply and demand between the hunters in the field will ratchet the percentage down to something more fair like 15% or maybe 20% of $100/g. I know that yesterday, there were people knocking on doors in the strewnfield offering the locals $20/g. It would not surprize me if tomorrow there will be people knocking on doors offering $30 then $40 then $50/g. In fact, I left on Sunday for NY and when I got back, the land owner where I found my biggest rock told Geoff and I that there was a group of guys that came to his door and said that I was a con man, that I rip people off, that I'm being sued, that he (the land owner) would never see a penny from me and that his only chance to see any money was if he somehow got the rock back from me ASAP and sold it to one of them for $5,000 cash. So I don't buy into the BS that if the meteorites stay off ebay while the hunters are still in the field, that means the locals won't wise up to the real values anyway in the mean time. Steve Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:50:28 To: Mike Millermeteoritefin...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brian Coxsearchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az
[meteorite-list] FW: OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
As I am smiling and nodding, I would like to add that claiming we did not go to the moon is also claiming that we brought back no lunar samples. If we brought back no lunar samples, how did we compare the lunar meteorites? Perhaps you believe green cheese is still the standard belief there as well? Honestly doing the REAL science and working through the REAL tasks is much easier than orchestrating a grand hoax. Warren Sansoucie From: warren3...@hotmail.com To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 10:56:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response With all due respect, I think I will choose to take my own advice to someone earlier this week and just smile and nod. Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:50:48 -0700 From: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: warren3...@hotmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen Radiation belts - micrometeorites - plenty of deadly hazards. I grew up right next door to Johnson Space Center - I've seen first hand the objects and artifacts that supposedly went to the moon, and common sense does not allow a thinking individual to believe such a story, sorry. I golf regularly, and know that Allen Shephard's slice on Apollo 14's mission is not possible in no atmosphere. Mission control even noticed the slice, and mentioned it live Where are the stars? Why are there no impact craters from the lunar landing - no dust or dirt on the feet of the lander? Why is there no engine sound in the audio recording of the lunar landing, while an engine is producing 10,000 lbs of thrust feet from the astronaut's head? Why does all of the communication sound scripted? These are professionals trained to work well under extreme pressure, now Look at the press conference after the Apollo 11 flight. It does not take an expert in body language to see that they are very uncomfortable...not elated and excited as would be the first people to walk on the moon. Computer limitations, the combined CSM and LM guidance computers totaled 152kb of memory - and this system supposedly traveled 60,000% further than any manned spacecraft has gone before or since - come on! We have lost 14 brave shuttle astronauts who never left earth orbit, at a distance of under 300 miles. We had and still have the technology to fake it, but not to land men on the moon. and don't take my word for it - go see for yourself,
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote: I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time. If you google her mailing address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells metaphysical minterals. Assuming that minterals is a typo for minerals, I think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical properties of rocks and vibrational energies and body chakras. Likely sells meteorites for healing properties or some other codswallop. http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Steve and list, I meant no disrespect to you or Mike as I consider you both friends. My only point was that Mike was correct in assuming that I nor anyone else would sell publicly - since that was what we tried to do in West. So you and everyone else can certainly do anything you want with your finds. I just felt that maybe I needed to apologize. However, I am not asking you to do the same. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 9:28 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Ruben and list. If someone is promising 50% of the value, then they should honor their word. Not tell the land owners they are only worth $4/g then give them $2/g pretending that is 50% of the real value. If a hunter only wants to max give up $2/g then they should be honest and say up front, before they start hunting: I'm willing to give you $2/g for anything I find, do we have a deal? If someone is claiming they are only worth $4/g, but later the land owner finds out the real value is $20/g then there might be a reason to think someone isn't being honest. My suggestion to those still in the field still is to be 100% honest with the land owners, and I would think you would have nothing to be afraid of. If giving up 50% of say $100/g is too much, then offer them 40% or 20% or 10% or 2%. If $50/g is too high of a field price, then supply and demand between the hunters in the field will ratchet the percentage down to something more fair like 15% or maybe 20% of $100/g. I know that yesterday, there were people knocking on doors in the strewnfield offering the locals $20/g. It would not surprize me if tomorrow there will be people knocking on doors offering $30 then $40 then $50/g. In fact, I left on Sunday for NY and when I got back, the land owner where I found my biggest rock told Geoff and I that there was a group of guys that came to his door and said that I was a con man, that I rip people off, that I'm being sued, that he (the land owner) would never see a penny from me and that his only chance to see any money was if he somehow got the rock back from me ASAP and sold it to one of them for $5,000 cash. So I don't buy into the BS that if the meteorites stay off ebay while the hunters are still in the field, that means the locals won't wise up to the real values anyway in the mean time. Steve Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 06:50:28 To: Mike Millermeteoritefin...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brian Coxsearchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We
[meteorite-list] Meteorite TV
Hi to all. Hope everyone is doing well. I am looking for assorted meteorite related video to put onto a new site I started, www.meteoritetv.com If anyone has any meteorite related video or shows they want to share, send a digital copy (or link) my way and I will put it on the site. This is going to be an educational meteorite resource. Still in the early stages, but its up and running. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Dangerous ground! I am not saying I think one way or the other on this subject of the Moon Landing but when you seek to stop, isolate, or ostracize any one for asking questions it quits being Science and becomes religion. Why go right to attacking this person? Defending your position with alternative ideas or facts is great but this thread has only focused on discrediting the question asker. These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote: I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time. If you google her mailing address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells metaphysical minterals. Assuming that minterals is a typo for minerals, I think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical properties of rocks and vibrational energies and body chakras. Likely sells meteorites for healing properties or some other codswallop. http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote: These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both the views and the view-holders deserve no respect. Especially concidering that at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions. Anyone that believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not exist) is a fool that deserves derision. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Hello Tom, I don't believe that my reply to Jessica (at least to begin with) was in any way an attack. I addressed several of her questions with facts. After stating that I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information she provided absolutely no data and no facts to support her position. All that was provided was a shotgun blast of conspiracy theory, quotes taken out of context, dubiously related personal experience and opinion. I will admit that my final sentence was a bit demeaning, but at that point, I realized that no matter what info I would provide, her mind was already made up. It both saddens me and angers me that some people in our society can't accept the idea that when we put our mind to it, we can achieve greatness. I also find it perplexing that someone who doesn't believe that we landed on the Moon, uses amazing spin-off technology to voice her misguided opinions. Dennis Beatty ApolloCollector.com On Apr 24, 2010, at 9:54 AM, starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: Dangerous ground! I am not saying I think one way or the other on this subject of the Moon Landing but when you seek to stop, isolate, or ostracize any one for asking questions it quits being Science and becomes religion. Why go right to attacking this person? Defending your position with alternative ideas or facts is great but this thread has only focused on discrediting the question asker. These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 10:31:24 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700, you wrote: I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Yeah, I was about to say you're wasting your time. If you google her mailing address, you'll find almost nothing, but you will find that she sells metaphysical minterals. Assuming that minterals is a typo for minerals, I think we are dealing with one of those new-age flakes that believes in magical properties of rocks and vibrational energies and body chakras. Likely sells meteorites for healing properties or some other codswallop. http://www.mcfarm.org/publishers/vendors.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
--- On Sat, 4/24/10, power ofunity energylightandl...@yahoo.com wrote: I am a professional photographer, ... Where are the stars? I usually don't waste one minute of my time on this mindless drivel, because those who are convinced that all the evidence is wrong or faked, but on this one topic, a so called professional photographer would know instantly that this issue, if nothing else was a canard. You don't need to be a professional to know that if you make an exposure with any camera with the rule of thumb settings for direct sunlight, ie. ISO 100, f/16, 1/100th second, NO stars will be recorded. Why? Because they are too faint to be recorded. The exposures made on the lunar surface were in daylight. The cameras were set for direct sunlight exposures. The reason the sky is black is because there is no atmosphere, not because it was night. Stars in the sky WOULD BE evidence that the images were faked, not the other way around. A professional photographer needs to understand and be an expert in their own field. Any photographer that doesn't know this extremely basic fundamental of photograph certainly is no expert, and most likely not even a photographer. If you can't understand the fundamentals in a field you claim an expert level of understanding, how can you possible understand something of far more complexity like global politics, celestial mechanics, or manned spaceflight? Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 11:16:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote: These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both the views and the view-holders deserve no respect. Especially concidering that at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions. Anyone that believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not exist) is a fool that deserves derision. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Would you also respect the right of somebody to consume forum bandwidth to argue that the Earth is flat? Seriously, this Moon hoax nonsense is of the same caliber. It isn't like they bring up any new arguments. Always the same old stuff- no stars, funny shadows, no blast pits- stuff that has long since been convincingly addressed. At some point you just have to recognize a crazy person as a crazy person. In public you nod and smile and walk away; in a private forum like this, you cancel their account. Pretty simple. No respect or tolerance is due them or their ideas. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: starsinthed...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capturing asteroids in orbit
Hi Melanie. The short answer to your first question is yes, it could be done and with today's technology. The manner it could be done would be the same as the deflection techniques that have been suggested for NEOs found to be on an impacting trajectory. Unfortunately, while an NEO only needs a change of velocity of a few millimeters per second to divert it from an impact, a Main Belter would require a vastly larger change to bring it to the earth. If done correctly the object could be placed into earth orbit with no other effort... This being said, diverting a known NEO from an impact would take decades or more to accomplish this goal. Moving a MBA from its current orbit using today's technology would take centuries or eons to accomplish the goal. As for your last question, I doubt any collector would be able to obtain even a micro. As Sterling points out, mining the asteroid in situ makes much greater economic and scientific sense. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 4/23/10, Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca wrote: I wonder if it would possible to send some machines to the asteroid belt to capture some whole asteroids and bring them to Earth? Or would they be drifting too quickly in their orbits to capture with the current technology? Also would decent-sized samples from such captures be available to collectors? --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Why was there no direct Tv Feed - This one I can speak to. Ever since the movie The Dish, I've 'looked into' the Parkes Radio Telescope. The story as depicted in the movie is relatively correct, aside from a bit of dramatic license. Parkes was supposed to be a backup for the main video feed from the first Lunar broadcast, got bumped to main, and filled its responsibilities admirably in picking up and broadcasting the lunar feed, live. Several of the original techs who ran the telescope at that time are still around today; why not check with them about what they remember from that first broadcast? If you accuse them of faking the signal, well, I'm pretty sure you won't receive any offers of a 'stubbie' down at the local pub... Mythbusters did a fairly comprehensive debunking of some of the most common quibbles anti-moon-landing theorists have. Feel free to look it up. Best! Tracy Latimer _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
While the Mythbusters on Discovery Channel sometimes get things wrong because of their poor methodology, they did do a very good job of explaining and demonstrating why the majority of the hoaxers claims are incorrect. Some if not all of the Moon Hoax episode is available on Youtube. Here's part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wym04J_3Ls0 Of course, if the facts don't convince you of the true, a couple of wacky guys on TV won't either. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: From: Chris Peterson c...@alumni.caltech.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 10:35 AM Would you also respect the right of somebody to consume forum bandwidth to argue that the Earth is flat? Seriously, this Moon hoax nonsense is of the same caliber. It isn't like they bring up any new arguments. Always the same old stuff- no stars, funny shadows, no blast pits- stuff that has long since been convincingly addressed. At some point you just have to recognize a crazy person as a crazy person. In public you nod and smile and walk away; in a private forum like this, you cancel their account. Pretty simple. No respect or tolerance is due them or their ideas. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: starsinthed...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:45:42 +, you wrote: Mythbusters did a fairly comprehensive debunking Here's Penn and the other guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWZ_LCnkE7A __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Jeff, Excellent photos, music and incredibly well timed!!! A very professional work! Thanks for sharing, Ken On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Jeff, An absolutlely beautiful presentation! thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Sat, 4/24/10, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 7:54 AM Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
I agree. Well done. Warren Sansoucie Apr 2010 14:03:13 -0400 From: magellon@gmail.com To: i...@meteorites.com.au CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Jeff, Excellent photos, music and incredibly well timed!!! A very professional work! Thanks for sharing, Ken On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Jeff, Absolutely perfect. Beautiful. Simple, but heavy Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2010 8:54 AM To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:27:29 -0400, you wrote: Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) Yes LRO, no Japanese. http://lunar.gsfc.nasa.gov/newsroom.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
LRO is a US mission Here is the page of the images of the Apollo LM descent stages on the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html The only one not presented here is Apollo 12 Note on the Apollo 14 images, that the descent stage, scientific instruments and the trails of dust disturbed by Shepard and Mitchell can clearly be seen in the image! Yeah but its a NASA website of a new NASA mission so this is just more hoaxing... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:27 AM Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Phil / List, Yes, the Japanese did take several photos of landing sites. No, this did not deal a death blow for conspiracy theorists. They are arguing a belief they have accepted as fact. For them, it is akin to arguing religion. You could have their own siblings doing back flips on the moon accompanied by both parents and a notary all wearing clocks like Flava Flav and they still wouldn't believe it. They would think the government and Public Enemy got to them and brainwashed them. Your point about the Russians is noted. It also drives my point stated earlier. The Russians would have called us out. We didn't pay them enough money to be quiet this long. They are broke in that region. Someone would be offering to go on a conspiracy show by now. Buzz Aldrin punching someone for bringing up the hoax is all the proof I need. A man with his composure losing his temper shows the insult he felt when confronted with such nonsense. I could believe in flies fossilized in meteorites or skin cell chondules before I believe that the lunar landing was a hoax. Warren Sansoucie From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:27:29 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Disguised as a point of view about the Apollo program, lunar landings, NASA, the astronauts, and historical events, the arguments presented are, at the heart of them, defamatory slanders directed at dozens, hundreds, thousands of individuals (depending on the full width of the conspiratoral argument), malicious libel, regardless of the delusional sincerity of the speaker. There is no requirement for tolerating or respecting that in any venue and certainly not here. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: starsinthed...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response You make my point for me! When should intolerance be tolerated? Easy!, When you question my sacred beliefs. Tom In a message dated 4/24/2010 11:16:08 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:54:51 EDT, you wrote: These posts have had a disturbing smugness to them. There are degrees of anti-scientific nutbaggery so insultingly stupid that both the views and the view-holders deserve no respect. Especially concidering that at least one (seldom posting but valued) list member has had his career based on studying the samples brought back from the Apollo missions. Anyone that believes the Apollo missions didn't happen (and that the Apollo samples do not exist) is a fool that deserves derision. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Hi Ruben, I'm sure if it was a private sale and the cost price per gram was not revealed then that would not upset any one...so I shouldn't worry. I could solve the whole problem for you and those still out there though. I'll buy the stone you showed for $5/g and we can make sure it gets really well known out in Livingstone...then everybody will be happy ;-) Great work by the way Ruben/Hopper Cheers, Graham, UK Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
List, I stand partly corrected. LRO did take many photos. When speaking of the Japanese accomplishments I was referring to the SELENE lunar orbiter. The Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) launched their SELENE lunar orbiter on September 14, 2007 (JST) from Tanegashima Space Center. SELENE orbited the Moon at about 100 kilometers (62 mi) altitude. In May 2008 JAXA reported detecting the halo generated by the Apollo 15 lunar module engine exhaust from a Terrain Camera image.[55] A 3-D reconstructed photo also matched the terrain of an Apollo 15 photograph taken from the surface. Best Wishes, Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:45:29 -0700 From: damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response LRO is a US mission Here is the page of the images of the Apollo LM descent stages on the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html The only one not presented here is Apollo 12 Note on the Apollo 14 images, that the descent stage, scientific instruments and the trails of dust disturbed by Shepard and Mitchell can clearly be seen in the image! Yeah but its a NASA website of a new NASA mission so this is just more hoaxing... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: From: JoshuaTreeMuseum Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:27 AM Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Last year, I astral projected to the Moon. I walked on the Apollo landing sites and examined the artifacts left behind. I can state with surety that the landings were not faked. ;) On 4/24/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: LRO is a US mission Here is the page of the images of the Apollo LM descent stages on the moon. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html The only one not presented here is Apollo 12 Note on the Apollo 14 images, that the descent stage, scientific instruments and the trails of dust disturbed by Shepard and Mitchell can clearly be seen in the image! Yeah but its a NASA website of a new NASA mission so this is just more hoaxing... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 4/24/10, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: From: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, April 24, 2010, 11:27 AM Didn't the Japanese Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO) known as Selene, (Kaguya) deal a death blow to the moon denialists with their photos of the landers and footprint trails? Btw, Apollo lunar samples prove nothing, they could have been bought from the Russians, (remember the unmanned sample gathering Luna missions?) Or they could have been gathered personally by Von Braun during his Antarctic expedition just before the moon missions. (Kidding!) Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
--- On Sat, 4/24/10, Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com wrote: Buzz Aldrin punching someone for bringing up the hoax is all the proof I need. A man with his composure losing his temper shows the insult he felt when confronted with such nonsense. A little back story on this episode probably warrants some comment too. A conspiracy theorist named Bart Sibrel continuosly staked, harassed and incited Aldrin to admit the landings were faked. At the time of the punch, Sibrel had approached Aldrin, with his own film crew, with the express intent to get a reaction out of Aldrin, and record it. He was calling Aldrin a coward and a liar and a thief. Aldrin, who had been dealing with the clown for some time before this point apparently would take no more of it. All I can say is Hooray for Buzz! A lesser man would not have waited so long and probably would have thrown more than just one punch. But then again, this speaks of the caliber of the 12 men who did what most of mankind has only been able to dream of before and since; They actually walked on the surface of the moon. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OFF-Topic-Fake Lunar Landing Response
Maybe we could send Ed Mitchell back to the moon to verify the evidence. We could send along Lisa Nowak (along with plenty of diapers) to make sure Ed doesn't do anything squirrelly. Phil (Oswald didn't do it) Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-Topic-Fake Lunar Landing Response
LOL you dropped the Ed Mitchell bomb. Ed Mitchell, with all respects paid, is a conspiracy theorist. His accounts are no more proof backed than the hoax theorists. However if he is right then I would believe that we didn't go to the moon.wait... if his conspiracy is right then we DID go to the moon. Uhhhg. Conspiracies. So much more complex than what they try to cover. When are we going to stop all this nonsense. When are we going to stop weaving ridiculous schemes into delusions. Sometimes in life an empty Coke bottle that conks you on your head was just some ass that threw it out of a plane and not the gods being angry. I'm done talking off topic. Arguing hoaxes and conspiracies is about as much fun as playing dodge ball with a 6 lb NWA. Best Wishes, Warren Sansoucie From: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:17:35 -0400 Subject: [meteorite-list] OFF-Topic-Fake Lunar Landing Response Maybe we could send Ed Mitchell back to the moon to verify the evidence. We could send along Lisa Nowak (along with plenty of diapers) to make sure Ed doesn't do anything squirrelly. Phil (Oswald didn't do it) Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-Topic-Fake Lunar Landing Response
Sometimes in life an empty Coke bottle that conks you on your head was just some ass that threw it out of a plane and not the gods being angry. That was a good movie...The God's Must Be Cracy? or something like that. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wonders of Meteorites
Perfect!! Love the music, too. Thanks, Jeff! Carl2 http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Excellent Jeff, now that's what the list should be about and not wasting room in my in box with messages replying to fanatics who would more likely go away if ignored. Graham, UK -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2010 8:54 AM To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Fisher Gold Bug II with two coils
Ladies and Gents, Up for your consideration is a used Fisher Gold Bug II with two coils (10 and 14, both with coil covers) and a Fisher carry bag, in very good working condition. Price: $550 (worldwide shipping included) Do not hesitate to let me know if you have any questions. Thank you, Jakub Radwan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Very cool video!! On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 1:50 PM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Excellent Jeff, now that's what the list should be about and not wasting room in my in box with messages replying to fanatics who would more likely go away if ignored. Graham, UK -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2010 8:54 AM To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day
Again, your point? You literally had nothing to disagree with from what I'd said, but claimed to have found Ash Creek for less than $20/g - when I did note that it occasionally went as low as $15/g (likely a moot point in this case since this fall looks to be much harder to find pieces of). I think most people on here would agree with my saying that if you want to learn how to do something well, the best way to go about it is to learn it while still young. I'll get back to your private email. And Warren...if his being so famous meant that he could sell average meteorites for more, I daresay his other auctions would reflect it. Look at his selling record. Pretty standard prices. He may be on TV, but it doesn't seem to be doing much for his ebay sales. Regards. Jason On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: I've been trading online since 1999 (rockhounding since the 70's) and have been in meteorites for almost 4 (the List for about 2.5 or 3). I don't claim to be an expert - just a clown in the peanut gallery. Of course, I'm sure you'll dissect my reply into syllables and refute each one. ;) On 4/24/10, Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com wrote: Your point? I've been doing this since I was that old, and I've seen the market change from what it was back then (Gibeon at $80/kg, Zagami at $1k/g, historic falls at $5+/g, etc) to what it is today. And I've seen countless dealers and collectors come and go in that time. To be frank, you've only been here for a year or so. There have been many like you. I'll see if you're still here in five years. Jason On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:12 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: - But don't trust me - I've only been here watching the market since 1998. What were you in 1998? Ten? Twelve years old at the most? LOL ;) On 4/24/10, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: What a pity, Livingston was finally a fall and a thread without anger and brawl. Bullcrap...angelkiss - uuuh I sold my last Park Forest fullslice at 15$.. With new falls it is naturally always the same pattern and nothing to argue about. In the beginning it is expensive. Then it depends simply on how much material will be made available. If only very few, the meteorite will be gone quickly and afterwards it will be more expensive, as in the beginning. If a certain larger amount will be available, then you have this pattern: Firstly expensive, then cheaper to a base line and later again more expensive, sometimes more than in the beginning. How long the bottom phase takes, depends on the available weighs and on the number of vendors. Examples. Park Forest: 40 - 15 - 25$ Bensour: 8 - 1.5 - 6 Bilanga: 60 - 15 - 25 Carancas: 100 - 30 - ? Hammami 2 - 0.5 - 3 Sikhote 9 - 0.3 - 3 Juancheng 3.5 - 1.5 - 5 Vilalbeto 40 - 25 - 100 And so on. In the end, when all is distributed, quite all finds with names got more expensive, over the years. With the exception, if larger amounts will get free again either from collections or from later additional finds. Uh. Allende 0.5 - 15 Alfianello 4 - 100 -25 -40 Elbogen 12 - 400 Best! Btw - a beautiful breccia it is, Livingston, reminds me on Juancheng or Pultusk. Skol Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jason Utas Gesendet: Samstag, 24. April 2010 13:01 An: Meteorite-list Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Wisconsin Fireball Meteorite Fall PartSlices on Ebay NOW 1 day I see Steve’s point of what he’s doing by setting a base price for the recent meteorite fall in WI to pay the land owners %50 in cash from sales on eBay. But, with any new fall the first year the price tends to be high because it’s a new fall and there after the price drops to about $10 a gram or less, unless it’s a hammer or has any significance because of science or other reasons that could make a certain fall unique. Bullcrap. I'd like to see you point out a single place online or otherwise where you can buy Ash Creek, Park Forest, or Whetstone Mountains for anything shy of $20/g. Don't delude yourself here; as a collector, I would *love* to see prices down there, but it's simply not true. Park Forest is a standard $35-40/g, Ash Creek has bottomed out at $20/g (sometimes 15 if you're lucky), and Whetstone, with its comparable tkw (at the moment) is holding fast at $80/g or so. In the case with the WI fall it is hard to say what significance this fall has, then it’s another ordinary chondrite fall and until the scientist are able to run more test on the fall. It's a brecciated, equilibrated H-chondrite. That much is obvious from the photos. I suppose it might be a funny L, but it looks like an H. Regardless, it's an equilibrated
Re: [meteorite-list] Offensive Postings was Questionable Ebay Listings
Oh, Elton - it sounds like you have a beef with Brian, and he's really a good guy who has no problem with Mike. I agree - the whore comment was a bit off-color, but I don't see your justification for ragging on a list-member for making fun of yet another person trying to cash in on...what looks to be a piece of granite from the remaining piece still up on their page. A single line expressing your point off-list would have sufficed. The only reason I'm replying here is because you publicly accused Brian of going around and insulting Michael Farmer on literally no grounds whatsoever. Brian's been a longtime collector and list-member for *years.* Just because he doesn't post often doesn't mean he's not there. And having spoken with him fairly regularly for the past several months off-list, I can assure you that he would simply have no reason to take a stab at Mike. You might as well accuse a random collector out there. Well, seems like you are. You've got to admit that it's a little frustrating to see all of these people showing a marked lack of concern for the authenticity of their wares. As an amateur fossil-hunter, regardless of what I found, if I thought I found a fossil, I wouldn't turn it around on ebay after finding it - especially without getting it authenticated by an expert somewhere. These people are looking for a quick buck, and their lack of respect for the knowledge and hard-earned money of others does, in my opinion, say many things about them, none of them good. Damn, man. It's always got to be *someone* with you... Jason On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:39 AM, MstrEman mstre...@gmail.com wrote: Brian Cox wrote: ...I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. One wonders how the same person could justify this post of in light of the above admonition for the list to be respectful? She sounds like an old whore from the Bunny Ranch( sic) who is selling the meteorites a Date paid her for services rendered to pay for a face and body lift and resculpting. AS to the conclusion that any woman is a whore because she lives in Nevada--Well that is flabbergastingly offensive. It is not funny but insightful as to who he is inside. The members of this list need to have a deep, abiding trust in the integrity of the people they do business with--or take advice from. At the core of that trust will be the material they sell is what it is claimed to be. This we gauge from demeanor and message traffic; especially using poor satire in an inappropriate context. We can see that know he don't know squat about meteorites but his implication that all women are whores may be more experience-based even if more offensive.. People tend to frame their assumptions in the framework of experiences they are familiar with. Of course he knows his mother -- I don't... but I hope she would be offended by that post as well. Is it a coincidence that the occurrence of a rash of a prankster / cyber terrorist activity coincides with Cox's arrival? Inquiring minds want to know... Elton Being an expert in Sh*t does not make one an expert in Shinola TM __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay: Kandahar, Orgueil, Vigarano, Pantar, A. Sitta, CK5/6, CK6, ...
Hello All, I have 10 very nice and rare meteorites ending in less than one day: http://shop.ebay.com/pema9/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg= - very rare Kandahar (Afghanistan) 0.29 g! - Siena 80 mg from the NHM London w. Rob Elliott CoA - Pantar - Malotas - Almahata Sitta - Park Forest - Vigarano - NWA 3081 CK5/6, rare class!! - NWA 3080 L6 impact melt, nice! - NWA 5907 CK6, very rare class!! http://shop.ebay.com/pema9/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg= Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet - IMCA #2747 Bern, Switzerland __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Offensive Postings was Questionable Ebay Listings
Elton, Have you lost your mind? I have no idea why you are taking a stab at me other than you are upset about me making a bad off-color joke about the lady from Winnemucca. I didn't signal out the whole state of Nevada nor all women, as you know and me thinks that for some strange reason this goes deeper than what you are letting on here. I apologize to anyone that was offended by my half hearted joke about the lady selling the meteorites, but if you even looked at the ebay auction and the grammar and the fuzzy photo of the meteorite and her description which I posted about her stating to hurry and buy this one so she would put the bigger ones up since she has a whole bucket full then maybe you would understand it better. I don't know why you seem to think I'm a newbie to the list since I have been a member of the IMCA# 6387 since 2004 as one of the original members from that time period. I've been posting to this list for at least 5 years or longer. I also don't find your snide remark about my character in poor taste and your comment about my mother to be in even poorer taste. I am not new to the list. I have been collecting meteorites for 10 years and I bought my first meteorites on ebay from Bob Haag, Michael Farmer and Anne Black and Steve Meteorite Men Arnold and others, and actually have accumulated nearly 700 meteorites since 1999-2000 from nearly a hundred members of the IMCA on ebay and their websites. Perhaps since Chicago Steve Arnold isn't on here you need to vent and take out your frustration at not having what you want in life on me. I have to go back and read what you wrote about Michael Farmer since I have no clue as to what you are talking about. I have spoken to Michael online over this last week and last night and just today also. I don't ever remember insulting him and I have No idea from where in the world you got that thought. Now,,,as far as your ridiculous statement about me being some sort of cyber-terrorist, (Which I copied below here) that constitutes grounds for a lawsuit and I urge you to retract that. Is it a coincidence that the occurrence of a rash of a prankster / cyber terrorist activity coincides with Cox's arrival? Inquiring minds want to know... I wrote a post on here about the wonderful benefit that Michael Farmer and Terry Boudreaux did with the children in the Iowa/Grant Public School and posted it to the list. Then Dirk asked me if he could post it to his website. I have been in contact with Dirk almost every day until he got his web blog back up. That sounds incredibly ignorant that you would suggest I was somehow involved in taking down his website since I had a post on there myself. Perhaps you should slow down and read all the posts over again in chronological order. Again, perhaps you should go back over the posts the past few days and speak to Dirk and Michael Farmer about me. You certainly have me mixed up with someone else outside of the poor joke about the off color ebayer selling her bucket of rocks from Winnemucca, Nevada. With pity that I even have to address your poorly worded comments and ramblings. Brian Cox IMCA# 6387 -- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 5:51 PM To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com; Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Offensive Postings was Questionable Ebay Listings Oh, Elton - it sounds like you have a beef with Brian, and he's really a good guy who has no problem with Mike. I agree - the whore comment was a bit off-color, but I don't see your justification for ragging on a list-member for making fun of yet another person trying to cash in on...what looks to be a piece of granite from the remaining piece still up on their page. A single line expressing your point off-list would have sufficed. The only reason I'm replying here is because you publicly accused Brian of going around and insulting Michael Farmer on literally no grounds whatsoever. Brian's been a longtime collector and list-member for *years.* Just because he doesn't post often doesn't mean he's not there. And having spoken with him fairly regularly for the past several months off-list, I can assure you that he would simply have no reason to take a stab at Mike. You might as well accuse a random collector out there. Well, seems like you are. You've got to admit that it's a little frustrating to see all of these people showing a marked lack of concern for the authenticity of their wares. As an amateur fossil-hunter, regardless of what I found, if I thought I found a fossil, I wouldn't turn it around on ebay after finding it - especially without getting it authenticated by an expert somewhere. These people are looking for a quick buck, and their lack of respect for the knowledge and hard-earned money of others does, in my
[meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began?
Out of curiosity, does anybody know about what year this meteorite list began? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] me, the list, meteorites, and Michael Farmer
Hello listees, While reviewing the previous posts and a certain man who was condemning me, I had a little time to reflect just now before calling Michael Farmer. Michael had no idea why a certain post member was taking a stab at me and he said to not let it bother me. We've known each other for a long time, nearly 10 years and he knows I love meteorites and respect the hobby and that I have a sense of humor. Perhaps certain individuals don't understand my sense of humor or they don't have one, but I won't let that bother me. Let's all get on with the hobby of collecting and studying meteorites. Have a great day everyone. Best regards, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 24, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Thanks Count and to everyone who commented both on and off list. I think I have responded to everyone who wanted to use it as a teaching aid but if there is anyone else who would like to use it for that, then please feel free. Actually half the reason I decided to do it now was because of the WI elementary school who are learning about meteorites next week. It's simple and very generalised but I think it gives a good basic introduction to the importance and wonder of meteorites. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: countde...@earthlink.net To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Jeff, Absolutely perfect. Beautiful. Simple, but heavy Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Sent: Apr 24, 2010 8:54 AM To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began?
1997 comes to mind. I think around 1996 or 1997 was when I joined, but at the time I thought it was already well established by then. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
I already offered Ruben $5. He said thanks. Guido -Original Message- From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Apr 24, 2010 2:57 PM To: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Hi Ruben, I'm sure if it was a private sale and the cost price per gram was not revealed then that would not upset any one...so I shouldn't worry. I could solve the whole problem for you and those still out there though. I'll buy the stone you showed for $5/g and we can make sure it gets really well known out in Livingstone...then everybody will be happy ;-) Great work by the way Ruben/Hopper Cheers, Graham, UK Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller meteoritefin...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale
Steve's first auction just closed at around $538.00 per gram. 0.117 sample closed at $63.00 I wonder if it comes with a free hunting demo from Jeff and a fruit basket at Christmas time? :) Warren Sansoucie Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 22:28:28 -0400 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; meteoritefin...@gmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; searchingfor...@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale I already offered Ruben $5. He said thanks. Guido -Original Message- From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Apr 24, 2010 2:57 PM To: Ruben Garcia , Mike Miller Cc: Meteorite-list , Brian Cox Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Wisconsin meteorites for sale Hi Ruben, I'm sure if it was a private sale and the cost price per gram was not revealed then that would not upset any one...so I shouldn't worry. I could solve the whole problem for you and those still out there though. I'll buy the stone you showed for $5/g and we can make sure it gets really well known out in Livingstone...then everybody will be happy ;-) Great work by the way Ruben/Hopper Cheers, Graham, UK Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, Mike Miller is absolutely right! Unfortunately (for me) I may have started this whole thing (Although I was careful not to mention a dollar amount) I was the first to offer a Wisconsin stone for sale. The problem is obvious - when a local gets word that a stone is worth x amount of dollars then that is what they will want half of - if you find one on their property. So if the going rate to farmers/land owners is $20 per gram then it could go to $50g if they feel that Wisconsin space rocks are selling for $100g. I was being selfish and once I left the field forgot someone else could be hurt by my actions. My sincere apologies to all still in the field! Ruben Garcia On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 6:23 AM, Mike Miller wrote: Hi Brian I don't think I have ever been involved in an argument on this list and I wont start one here either. I am just pointing out the standard edict that we as a group of meteorite hunters have worked out over the past few years. When I say we I mean Steve Arnold of the meteorite men along with myself and most every other hunter and dealer on this list. Steve had something to say about this very same situation when another list member from Chicago mentioned a price while we were still in West Texas hunting. If I remember correctly Steve Arnold of the meteorite men, was very upset when he was the one out in the field and someone else was causing the same problem he is now saying he must do. On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 2:31 AM, Brian Cox wrote: I just want to mention that it's the business of whomever is selling their meteorites either from Wisconsin or West or Buzzard Coulee or from wherever and I am not judging anyone on that. Sell them on ebay or on a website or by silent or private auction. The price is not up to me nor anyone, but by what the market will set that price at. Either way it's done just please remember that we are a Small Group and should be a tightly knit group, although we do often debate and sometimes argue about the processes and procedures we go through. With this new fall there certainly will be more people coming to everyone's websites and on ebay and researching information and coming to the Met List. We all need to be as straightforward and honest and yes, I will certainly try to be as respectful in my opinions and I request that everyone else be respectful of one another. Enjoy the weekend everyone. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began?
Dear George, This is the earliest archive that I have record of: http://www7.pair.com/arthur/meteor/archive/archive1/Feb97/maillist.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Sun, 4/25/10, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, April 25, 2010, 11:27 AM 1997 comes to mind. I think around 1996 or 1997 was when I joined, but at the time I thought it was already well established by then. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astro Bob's Blog
Hi all, I only became aware of Bob King's blog this morning during off-list correspondence. I had never seen it before but I'm glad I have now. It's well worth taking a look. There are some great recent pics of the hunt in WI along with dialogue. Great stuff. http://www.areavoices.com/astrobob/ Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer
Whats the matter with those guys?...anybody living in the Holy Land should recognize fire and brimstone. The reason that schmegala is talking so loud is he scared. Guido -Original Message- From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com Sent: Apr 24, 2010 11:27 AM To: METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer Ha! The wet seashells are on fire. I'm rollin'. It has a better chance of being something Mike Massimino lost on a STS mission. Warren Sansoucie From: cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:28:21 -0500 Subject: [meteorite-list] Bat Yam investigated by sappers, supported by astrologer Too bad this is fake, because Bat Yam would make a great name for a meteorite. And a comic book character. And Bat Yam and the Sappers would make a great band name... http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1164994.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880008,00.html http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3880005,00.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Astro Bob's Blog
I have seen it many times - it's great! I spent a few minutes yesterday trying to figure out how he got that incredible shot of himself hunting a cornfield. Very cool! On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: Hi all, I only became aware of Bob King's blog this morning during off-list correspondence. I had never seen it before but I'm glad I have now. It's well worth taking a look. There are some great recent pics of the hunt in WI along with dialogue. Great stuff. http://www.areavoices.com/astrobob/ Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began?
April 30th 2004 according to how far back the archives go to. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 4:36:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began? Out of curiosity, does anybody know about what year this meteorite list began? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response
Hello All! Haven't really been reading this debate about the Apollo missions but take it that there is some doubt about the actuality of a landing. I recently purchased Direct From The Moon which is actual footage from the Japanese lunar orbiter Kaguya. The video is High Def and they used duel cameras for the 3 dimensional portions. It is a wonderful dvd of the moon. And it shows clear images of the lunar missions, left behind modules and the disturbed lunar surface caused by departure.. Buy it, you'll like it! Dennis From: apollocollec...@q.com To: energylightandl...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 09:22:08 -0700 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OFF-TOPIC - Fake Lunar Landing Response Hello Jessica, With all due respect, you have not done your homework. The questions which you pose have been discredited numerous times. And some are just plain silly. For example, how can you claim that there was no direct TV feed?? I don't know how old you are, but I sat in front of our television and watched as Armstrong and Aldrin walked on the Moon. There are plenty of tapes...but unfortunately, the highest quality ones do seem to have been lost. Regarding your contention that there are no blurry photos and that all are perfectly composed, I must disagree. Perhaps all of the photos which you have seen are perfect but obviously, you have not seen them all. I have spent the past couple of years studying the photos from the Apollo missions as well as stitching them together and cleaning them up as necessary to create large panoramic images. There are many which are out of focus, poorly composed, taken mistakenly and damaged by lunar dust and contaminants. check out this link: http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/ But overall, the highly trained astronauts did an amazing job. I don't know the first thing about golf, but just because you go out and putter around on the greens does not make you an expert...particularly when you consider the major differences between the environments here on Earth and on the Moon. Why no Stars?? The astronauts were working in daylight. How many stars (other than our sun) do you see when you go outside during the day?? No engine sound?? With no atmosphere, there is not a medium to carry the sound waves. Didn't you ever see the movie Alien?? There is a reason why they used the tag line In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream. I could go on, but I don't want to waste any more time on a nut job like you. Dennis Beatty ApolloCollector.com On Apr 24, 2010, at 8:50 AM, power ofunity wrote: Please Warren, your canned responses were expected I mean no discredit to the dedicated scientists and professionals at NASA and the military that worked on the project, and those that soldier on today, and I answered you in jest off list - no need to take this public, unless you want to. Speaking of the heroes that died in the Apollo I fire, Lt. Col Guss Grissom had gone public that the AS-204 was a lemon, and called a press conference to address grievances against NASA, and he, Roger Chaffee, and Ed White were killed on Pad 34. I take nobody at their word, and I do research the information...I was introduced to the topic from an ex-OSS officer, and a tireless college professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia. I don't claim to know the answer, but I do know there are glaring inconsistencies with the official story - for both the lunar landing, and the collapse of the towers that YOU brought up. The Russians didn't call us out because we sent hundreds of thousands of $$$ worth of grain to a hungry Russian country for FREE. Follow the $$$ - cost of Apollo space program - 1969 dollars - $25.4 billion in 2010 money - 150 billion plus - perfect start for the arms and space race They raised $30 billion - plenty of profit motive - and nice distraction from the Vietnam War. Why was there no direct Tv Feed - and where are the tapes? How did the astronauts manage to take thousands of photos, and none of them are blurry, all with expert composition. I am a professional photographer, and I know this is imossible on earth, much less on the moon, with cameras mounted on the chest, with gloves on, and no way to utilize the detailed functions of the camera...these were not point and shoot! 5,771 photos taken in 4834 minutes on the moon, with experiments and golf fit in as well. John Mauldin, astrophysicist at NASA, said shielding two meters thick would be needed to survive solar flares, and astronomical data shows 1,485 flares during Apollo flights, with no such protection. If the suits the astronauts wore really protected them from deadly radiation, why didn't we use them at chernobyl? The radiation at chernobyl was a fraction of what would be experienced on the moon. Apollo 16 should have encountered a huge flare! Van Allen
Re: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began?
Hi George; The mailing list was launched in December 1996. Seems like a long, long time ago! Best Regards, Art On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca wrote: April 30th 2004 according to how far back the archives go to. --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! - Original Message From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, April 24, 2010 4:36:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] When Did MetList Began? Out of curiosity, does anybody know about what year this meteorite list began? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off topic - Volcanic Ash
Hi: Has anyone got any volcanic ash or ejecta from the Iceland volcano that they could send me? I would like to compare it to some Mt. St. Helen's ash that I have. Thanks: Ed Majden 1491 Burgess Rd. Courtenay, B.C. Canada. V9N 5R8 epmaj...@shaw.ca __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Off topic - Volcanic Ash
Has anyone got any volcanic ash or ejecta from the Iceland volcano that they could send me? I would like to compare it to some Mt. St. Helen's ash that I have. While we are on the Off Topic...anyone on the list desire to have some ash from Mt. St. Helen's gathered about 3 or 4 days after its initial eruption in 1980? I have about 3 small bottles to give away. Contact me off list. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites
Well done, Jeff! Everything fits together, even the wonderful music.. Thanks a lot mate! Cheers Werner Schroer - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2010 10:24 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Wonder Of Meteorites Hi all, I had this idea a while ago and I figured with the latest WI fall and some spare time today, I would finally get it done. Hope you like it: http://www.meteorites.com.au/films/The_Wonder_Of_Meteorites.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
