Re: [meteorite-list] Greg and Adam?
They are on a hula hoop tour. Michael on 12/11/03 10:09 AM, Bernhard Rendelius Rems at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they gone? I try to get in touch with them for more than 10 days now? Do you know if they are away? Bernhard Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. Cyril Connolly -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real.
Actually Michael the URL is http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom3/ (Your link didn't work) -Original Message- From: Michael L Blood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2003 19:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real. Proud Tom is STILL active at http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom2/index.html He has added 3 new pages, including Ron Baalke and, of course, Matteo Don't miss the photos submitted by readers - the one of me and Deen Bessey at the Tucson Auction with captions made me laugh out loud. Long live Proud Tom! Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fire ball spotted!
Dear Comcast Mail, Could you please repair you identity in your email program to reflect who you really are, Bob? Thanks, Dave Comcast Mail wrote: Hello list, This evening driving home from work I spotted a meteor that appeared to fall vertically a bit east of Plainfield Illinois. It wasnt a big fireball . more of a thin line, but died out approx 20 Degrees from the surface of the earth. I wondered if there was any way to determine the mass of such a fireball. Would appreciate your opinions Bob Evans __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real.
you are sure is here? --- mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Michael the URL is http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom3/ (Your link didn't work) -Original Message- From: Michael L Blood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2003 19:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real. Proud Tom is STILL active at http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom2/index.html He has added 3 new pages, including Ron Baalke and, of course, Matteo Don't miss the photos submitted by readers - the one of me and Deen Bessey at the Tucson Auction with captions made me laugh out loud. Long live Proud Tom! Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Greg and Adam?
Please correct me if i'm wrong, sir. Shouldn't that be hoola hoop? I think it would be terrible to confuse that toy with something so important as a Hawaiian tradition that we could never understand. Excuse we, I mean I as an ignorant person from Illinois. Who was is it that said the occidental mind can never comprehend the oriental? Bill Kieskowski They are on a hula hoop tour. Michael on 12/11/03 10:09 AM, Bernhard Rendelius Rems at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are they gone? I try to get in touch with them for more than 10 days now? Do you know if they are away? Bernhard Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self. Cyril Connolly -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real.
It was there, but as soon as I posted the link it disappeared!? Very odd! -Original Message- From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2003 09:38 To: mark ford; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real. you are sure is here? --- mark ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually Michael the URL is http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom3/ (Your link didn't work) -Original Message- From: Michael L Blood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 09 December 2003 19:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real. Proud Tom is STILL active at http://www.x-mail.net/proudtom2/index.html He has added 3 new pages, including Ron Baalke and, of course, Matteo Don't miss the photos submitted by readers - the one of me and Deen Bessey at the Tucson Auction with captions made me laugh out loud. Long live Proud Tom! Michael __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real.
Ah, Just checked it looks like X-mail is down for maintenance so try later... The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] NEW Proud Tom website - for real.
I think Proud Tom is considering options. Just good marketing strategy, Right? Ah, Just checked it looks like X-mail is down for maintenance so try later... The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions?
Hey all, When I was in Egypt in October, I jumped onto a young half-trained CCRRAAZZYY camel and headed out into the desert. Among a few rocks (mostly fossils) I found an interesting stone which was nothing like the others in the area. I don't think it is a meteorite but it does look like some kind of breccia. It is a broken quarter sphere in shape and the photos are ofthe two broken surfaces. I'd appreciate any opinions on this one. Thelinks are: http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 1.jpg http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 2.jpg Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au
[meteorite-list] I am Spartacus
Kirk Douglas? Tony Curtis? The Falconer from The Vikings? I am Proud Tom. Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions?
Jeff Looks like a sedimentary pressure metamorphosized aggregated conglomerate to me :). But I have seen similar looking rocks in the Alps (Austria) only over there they tend to be found near river beds, something to do with the Ice age. Could also be a type of granite or Marble there is a lot about in that area of the world (the pyramids are made of a similar stone) Mark -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2003 10:39 To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions? Hey all, When I was in Egypt in October, I jumped onto a young half-trained CCRRAAZZYY camel and headed out into the desert. Among a few rocks (mostly fossils) I found an interesting stone which was nothing like the others in the area. I don't think it is a meteorite but it does look like some kind of breccia. It is a broken quarter sphere in shape and the photos are ofthe two broken surfaces. I'd appreciate any opinions on this one. Thelinks are: http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 1.jpg http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 2.jpg Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.
[meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions?
Jeff Looks like a sedimentary pressure metamorphosized aggregated conglomerate to me... :). But I have seen similar looking rocks in the Alps (Austria) only over there they tend to be found near river beds, something to do with the Ice age. Could also be a type of granite or Marble there is a lot about in that area of the world (the pyramids are made of a similar stone) Mark -Original Message- From: Jeff Kuyken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 December 2003 10:39 To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions? Hey all, When I was in Egypt in October, I jumped onto a young half-trained CCRRAAZZYY camel and headed out into the desert. Among a few rocks (mostly fossils) I found an interesting stone which was nothing like the others in the area. I don't think it is a meteorite but it does look like some kind of breccia. It is a broken quarter sphere in shape and the photos are of the two broken surfaces. I'd appreciate any opinions on this one. The links are: http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 1.jpg http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 2.jpg Cheers, Jeff Kuyken I.M.C.A. #3085 www.meteorites.com.au The information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/or legally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person, copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Well Said
I'm sure! Merry X-Mas to all of you! Frederic Beroudwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: Shaun Daniel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Well Said Christian Anger has a point You think? And a Very Merry Christmas to you and yours. meteormagic
[meteorite-list] Top 10 fictituous meteorite names
My top 10 of fictituous meteorite names. In all cases, the names are fictituous meteorite names, but existing places on this planet. 1. Langbroek. For obvious reasons! Langbroek is a small village in the center of the Netherlands. 2. Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwantysiliogogogoch This is a real place, in Anglesey, UK, and it seems to be the longest place name in the UK. My Schott's original miscellany mentions that the name was invented in the 19th century as a tourist lure. And you thought Millbillillie was a tough one! 3. Sint Nicolaas. This is a town in Belgium, named after St. Nicholas, where I once had a very nice Flamish stew but that is not the reason for putting it on #3. On St. Nicolaas eve (5 December) people in my country and in Belgium give each other presents, and the kids are told that these have been brought by St. Nicolaas (or Sinterklaas), an old bishop in bishops-dress with a staff and mitre and a long greay beard, who rides a white horse (yes: this is the origin of the Anglo-saxon Santa Claus). Of course, a meteorite named Sint Nicolaas.would make me the ideal Sint Nicolaas eve present! 4. Rockstone This is a place in British Guyana. Would make a nice lable. 5. Pebble One of the Falkland islands. Would also make a nice lable. 6. Black Rock desert (001 to 32167543) In Nevada. Presumably a lot to be found there. Paradise for Bob V. 7. Stonehenge (fell preferably on June 21st). Whoever gets this one in his/her collection; prepare for bands of protesting neo-Druids on your doorstep, who will demand the return of the sacred object to the holy circle. 8. Mururoa Would make a very interesting meteorite for isotope studies ;-) 9. International Space Station Would be good for years of debate whether this would officially classify as a meteorite, or should just be called an asteroid sample instead. A coveted hammer too. 10. Knockmealdown Mts. A mountain range in Ireland. The ideal place for a small impactor size hammer! - Marco -- Marco Langbroek Leiden, the Netherlands 52.15896 N, 4.48884 E (WGS 84) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Top 10 fictituous meteorite names
Well, just adding one from Finland; Yteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsiaapa real place from the finnish Lappland...;- take care, pekka s Marco Langbroek wrote: My top 10 of fictituous meteorite names. In all cases, the names are fictituous meteorite names, but existing places on this planet. 1. Langbroek. For obvious reasons! Langbroek is a small village in the center of the Netherlands. -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] final ebay auctions for a while
Hello ebay members.Just a final tidbit of my auctions.I have 5 ending in 7 hours,chicago time.By 4:30 cst.I have one ending in 2 hours, and that is the 3.5 gram piece of orrissa.It is standing with one bid.There is also a piece of park forest unclaimed so far.Good luck and thanks to all who have bid on my auctions.I hope I have been able to give you all great service.I look forward to doing it again in the future.I will continue to be an avid buyer. steve arnold, chicago, usa !!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TOP 13 interesting Australian meteorite names.
Well here are 10 REAL and ACTUALplace names in Australia where a meteorite fall might cause some interest! 1. Beeron, QLD. (As an Aussie I just see this as "Beer On!" ;-) ) 2. Berverly Hills, NSW. (Just to confuse the heck out of everyone!) 3. Crooked Corner, NSW. (Oh wait! Isn't that already a synonym for the local finders and Policeof Park Forest?) 4. Ty, QLD. (Just easy to spell.) 5. Jerrabomberra, NSW. (And that one just sounds cool!) 6.Pleasure Point, NSW. (Well.) 7. Bang Bang Jump Up, QLD. (Huh?) 8. Egg and Bacon Bay, TAS. (You can get a good breakfast before a day of meteorite hunting!) 9. The Common, QLD. (Too bad if it's a Chassignite!!!) 10. The Rock, NSW. (And definitely too bad if this one's an iron!!!) 11. Tangamgalanga, VIC. (T...Tan...Tang... Ahh,forget it!) 12. Burrumbuttock, NSW. (Let's keep this clean now!) 13. Hell Hole Gorge, QLD. (The ultimate survivor meteorite hunt! The tribe has spoken!) And finally; if a meteorite ever lands in one of these towns then they're going to havean interesting timeapproving the name! http://www.effect.net.au/lukastan/humour/Nationality/Town-Names.htm Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au
Re: [meteorite-list] Is there room for a meteorite question ?
Doug, Great explaination ! It's been a long time since Chemistry class -- and we never got that deep. I guess I can turn off the melting pot and put that 10 lb Campo back on the shelf. One question, though. You stated "since water (0.92 g/mL) in equilibrium at 0C is denser than ice (1.00 g/mL)." Did you mean that the other way? Water at 1.00 g/mL ? Thanks Fly Hill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there room for a meteorite question ? And for a more complete stab at answering your question from a proud "newbee". Note you really asked two questions. 1. If upon cooling there is expansion and 2. If the density is the same as non-crystalline materials formed on earth in the same ally proportions. To question 1: If I understand your question properly at first reading you think that Fe-Ni mixtures upon cooling in the proper proportions forming taenite / kamacite might expand? No way. Those structures do not form until after the alloy is already solid, though in an amorphous (non-crystalline) state with selective atom mobility. Those migrations of atoms occur to release heat energy flowing out of the system because of decreasing boundary temperatures and the law of heat flowing from higher to colder temperatures. The migrations are happening as these new crystal structures settle down from vibrations and fall into their little unit cells, allowing for a more dense material. For an expansion they would have to rip apart the already developed solid structure...causing perhaps a very brittle substance even.Now your other question, whether the "terrestrial" amorphous material has the same density as a "crystalline" meteorite material. That's something I'm sure you know if you think a minute. Of course it does not have the same density. So save your iron meteorites for better experiments, and don't melt them to see. The amorphous material probably won't even have as an extremely precisely definable density. It ought to vary because it is amorphous. Whether statistics averages the density out or not is a separate question and of course will depend on exactly what alloy %'s you have and how well they are mixed on a macro scale...the history of how the sample was cooled, etc. Does graphite have the same density as diamond? No.You cite water, when freezing, as expanding as your model, since water (0.92 g/mL) in equilibrium at 0C is denser than ice (1.00 g/mL). Water is weird, and one of the anomalous things that explains life. The short answer on why it expands upon decreasing temperature at atmospheric pressure from 4C to 0C is a softening of proton (hydrogen) bonding and disruption of that nicely organized structure as it is an ionic (solution) type attraction that is destroyed as the molecules begin to fall down from their bounciness caused by higher temperatures. So the destruction of the hydrogen bonds happens upon cooling. Another way to say that is the melting of the hydrogen bonds upon cooling In its amorphous, hydrogen-bondless state oxygen atoms find themselves not tolerating such close density as before when all were moderated by the hydrogen atoms. So they repel each other an average of about 8% volume increase. Water would be less than 0.92 g/mL at room temperature if not for the hydrogen bonding. Probably about 0.90, and then it would behave like most of the other molecules upon freezing.There are no comparably scaled ionic like attractions going on in the metal alloys as they cool. So there is no comparison to the special case of water. Additionally, you should know that water ice has about 20 described crystalline structures, and they are, not coincidentally, not all the same density! You need to know the history of it. Do you think super cooled hail is the same as the cubes floating in your ice tea? No. And the rockhounds can probably come up with a good list of structures with different densities but the same molecular proportions.Every sample is individual: so back to the meteorite experiment. Each meteorite has a different history as in temperatures and pressures. Each has different impurities, so you will need to do more that just reproduce the alloy proportions...actually by now it seems pretty clear that the proposed experiment is not a good idea. All those impurities disrupt perfect conditions. So oceans don't freeze at 0C, they are a few degrees colder, because of the impurities. All that affects densities, not to mention any molecular flatulence causing micro pores, uniformly or not. Ooops. Just checking to see if anyone read this far...PS Ice floats. Can you imagine solid pieces of metal alloy floating as it is melted...that was the easier
Re: [meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions?
Jeff list, I've spent my career with rocks like that! It is a hydrothermal breccia from a low-sulfidation epithermal vein system. You'll notice that some of the clasts have quartz/chalcedony hairlines healing jigsaw-puzzle breccias (pieces would still fit neatly back together, not jumbled or significantly displaced). This is hydraulic fracturing that forms as fluid pressures exceed lithostatic pressures, just before a hydrothermal explosion. Once the system cracks and explodes, fluid streaming does jumble and rotate most of the clasts. Your rock likely contains anomalous amounts of As, Hg, Sb, and quite possibly, Au and Ag.The rounded exterior is simply from erosion and water transport. From the photos I can't tell for sure what the clasts are, but I would guess they are rhyolite (a common associate of this style of mineralization). Merry Winter Solstice and a Happy New Orbit to All, Norm Lehrman (http://TektiteSource.com) - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken To: Meteorite List Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Aswan Rock - Opinions? Hey all, When I was in Egypt in October, I jumped onto a young half-trained CCRRAAZZYY camel and headed out into the desert. Among a few rocks (mostly fossils) I found an interesting stone which was nothing like the others in the area. I don't think it is a meteorite but it does look like some kind of breccia. It is a broken quarter sphere in shape and the photos are ofthe two broken surfaces. I'd appreciate any opinions on this one. Thelinks are: http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 1.jpg http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/images/Aswan 2.jpg Cheers, Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.au
[meteorite-list] Indiana Rock Likely Came From Earth, Scientist Says
http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/101451-2735-009.html Burning rock likely came from Earth, scientist says By Andy Gammill Indystar.com December 12, 2003 Indiana University scientists have concluded that a 4-inch rock that crashed into a Shelby County construction site probably isn't a meteorite. That leaves an even bigger mystery: where exactly the rock came from, and how it burned itself 7 inches deep into a pile of foam insulation. Bob and Brian Weddle, the Shelby County homebuilders who found it two weeks ago, want to know what the rock is and said they plan to have other experts look at it. Nelson Shaffer, a researcher at the Indiana Geological Survey, took samples of the rock Thursday and examined them at his Bloomington laboratory. Tests suggest an earthly origin, he said. If the rock is a meteorite, it's unlike any ever found before, he said. Meteorites are so rare that Shaffer has found only two since he began studying them in 1974. Shaffer's tests confirmed that the rock contains quartz, which has never been found on a meteorite. Plus, the rock isn't metallic and doesn't have the glassy coating usually found on meteorites, he said. The Weddles have heard from several other experts and called a few on their own to try to find out what the rock is. They have found themselves inundated with calls from the media, meteorite hounds and the curious. An Indianapolis television station offered to take the object to the Field Museum or the Smithsonian Institution for further study, Bob Weddle said. Shaffer said they were right to bring in experts so quickly. Scientists can glean important details about space by studying fresh meteorites, he said. For now, the Weddles are trying to manage the rock and its attention while still managing to work on the home where they found it, said Bob Weddle, 51. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Indiana Rock Likely Came From Earth, Scientist Says
They all sound like a bunch of idiots and I think they deserve a column of their own on the Proud Tom site!!! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Indiana Rock Likely Came From Earth, Scientist Says http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/101451-2735-009.html Burning rock likely came from Earth, scientist says By Andy Gammill Indystar.com December 12, 2003 Indiana University scientists have concluded that a 4-inch rock that crashed into a Shelby County construction site probably isn't a meteorite. That leaves an even bigger mystery: where exactly the rock came from, and how it burned itself 7 inches deep into a pile of foam insulation. Bob and Brian Weddle, the Shelby County homebuilders who found it two weeks ago, want to know what the rock is and said they plan to have other experts look at it. Nelson Shaffer, a researcher at the Indiana Geological Survey, took samples of the rock Thursday and examined them at his Bloomington laboratory. Tests suggest an earthly origin, he said. If the rock is a meteorite, it's unlike any ever found before, he said. Meteorites are so rare that Shaffer has found only two since he began studying them in 1974. Shaffer's tests confirmed that the rock contains quartz, which has never been found on a meteorite. Plus, the rock isn't metallic and doesn't have the glassy coating usually found on meteorites, he said. The Weddles have heard from several other experts and called a few on their own to try to find out what the rock is. They have found themselves inundated with calls from the media, meteorite hounds and the curious. An Indianapolis television station offered to take the object to the Field Museum or the Smithsonian Institution for further study, Bob Weddle said. Shaffer said they were right to bring in experts so quickly. Scientists can glean important details about space by studying fresh meteorites, he said. For now, the Weddles are trying to manage the rock and its attention while still managing to work on the home where they found it, said Bob Weddle, 51. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Indiana Rock Likely Came From Earth, Scientist Says
You seem smart, thanks for your comments. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 Catch a Falling Star Meteorites http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Indiana Rock Likely Came From Earth, Scientist Says They all sound like a bunch of idiots and I think they deserve a column of their own on the Proud Tom site!!! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Indiana Rock Likely Came From Earth, Scientist Says http://www.indystar.com/articles/5/101451-2735-009.html Burning rock likely came from Earth, scientist says By Andy Gammill Indystar.com December 12, 2003 Indiana University scientists have concluded that a 4-inch rock that crashed into a Shelby County construction site probably isn't a meteorite. That leaves an even bigger mystery: where exactly the rock came from, and how it burned itself 7 inches deep into a pile of foam insulation. Bob and Brian Weddle, the Shelby County homebuilders who found it two weeks ago, want to know what the rock is and said they plan to have other experts look at it. Nelson Shaffer, a researcher at the Indiana Geological Survey, took samples of the rock Thursday and examined them at his Bloomington laboratory. Tests suggest an earthly origin, he said. If the rock is a meteorite, it's unlike any ever found before, he said. Meteorites are so rare that Shaffer has found only two since he began studying them in 1974. Shaffer's tests confirmed that the rock contains quartz, which has never been found on a meteorite. Plus, the rock isn't metallic and doesn't have the glassy coating usually found on meteorites, he said. The Weddles have heard from several other experts and called a few on their own to try to find out what the rock is. They have found themselves inundated with calls from the media, meteorite hounds and the curious. An Indianapolis television station offered to take the object to the Field Museum or the Smithsonian Institution for further study, Bob Weddle said. Shaffer said they were right to bring in experts so quickly. Scientists can glean important details about space by studying fresh meteorites, he said. For now, the Weddles are trying to manage the rock and its attention while still managing to work on the home where they found it, said Bob Weddle, 51. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost Creek
Does anyone have information on the "Lost Creek" meteorite? Thanks, Jerry
Re: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
cool! mine are as follows: key largo- h5 copper mountain-cv3 grand teton-h4 cozumel-EH4 coral gables-h5 whistler- pal suwannee river-hex atlanta, ga- h4 key west-h5 big pine key-h5 note: eventhough they are finds, it is thought that key largo, key west, and big pine key are all part of the same fall and parent body as geochemistry seem to be consistant among random samples taken from each find. From: "Lars Pedersen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 19:56:03 +0100 Hello Here is the collection I would like to have for display in my livingroom: Frederiks (CV3) Eldorado (CB3) Gotham city (L3) Air Force 1(H5) Vatican (IVB) Notre Dame (H3) Tranquility base (EH4) Utopia (H3-6) Pentagon (IIAB) Mount Rushmore (PAL) :-) Lars Pedersen __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Shop online for kidsÂ’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] UFO Buffs Sue To Obtain Data on Pennsylvania Fireball
http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/lorain/1071225414279160.xml UFO buffs sue to obtain data on Pa. fireball Michael Sangiacomo The Plain Dealer (Ohio) December 12, 2003 Elyria- Were the fiery objects that crashed into Elyria 38 years ago Tuesday part of an unidentified flying object that crashed near the western Pennsylvania town of Kecksburg? Inquiring minds want to know. A group of UFO enthusiasts, backed by the Sci-Fi Channel, filed a lawsuit Tuesday seeking full disclosure of NASA records regarding the crash of a large, fiery object near Kecksburg. According to a front-page story in The Plain Dealer on Dec. 10, 1965, smaller fireballs also crashed in the Elyria area, setting 10 small grass fires. Mrs. Ralph Richards of West River Drive in Elyria told the newspaper she saw a flaming object about the size of a basketball crash into a field. Government officials at the time said the main fireball and the smaller pieces came from a meteorite that broke up on entering the Earth's atmosphere. But the Coalition for Freedom of Information, a group seeking more government information about UFOs, said witnesses reported watching the huge fireball maneuver through the sky before impact, suggesting it was either a highly advanced space probe or some other unknown object from outer space. Calling it a meteorite does not explain why the U.S. Army cordoned off the area and kept townspeople out of the site, said Larry Landsman of the SciFi Channel headquarters in New York. The area was practically under martial law. People have reported seeing something hauled away from the scene, but this was always denied by the government. The suit was filed in Washington, D.C., by Leslie Kean, of San Rafael, Calif., the investigative director of the Coalition for Freedom of Information. She asked that NASA be forced to release all information it has gathered on the Kecksburg crash. The coalition was formed last year to concentrate on the government operations relating to the investigation of unidentified flying objects. According to the lawsuit, Kean filed a Freedom of Information Act request in January for information and was told that no such records exist. A spokesman for NASA in Washington, D.C., said the agency had heard about the lawsuit but would have no comment. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] i'm baaaaccckkkk
AAH the keys: a little slice of paraidse , eh? you're only supposed to go to the keysto LIVE- NOT to work! still own property in big pine, butwould hate to have to buy it now. keys are nice IF (and only if) you own your own place free and clear- rent is ridiculously high for what you get ($1,000 for a single-wide to $2,600 for a 3/2 on a canal) and the average wage for 70% of the population of moroecounty is only$7.20/hr.. if you really want some fun, try to get a building permit for that 100'x50' lot w/ no rogo points you bought next door for only $50,000. blood vessels will bust and hairs will grey and fall out (trust me on this one). meteorite hunting sux though. the life expectancy of any meteorite in the keys (no matter what size) is only 15 minutes!!! oh, the best bar in key west is the parrot on whitehead and there is agreat bbq place next to it called" the Meteor" smoke house"! some of you dealer types out there ougtta sell a big campo to 'em for display as you walk in- would really fit in nicey in the place. if the sale goes thru, send me a half-dozen or so carte blanche freebie passes to the place for a finder's fee so me and my friends can stuff a gut and catch a buzz there on the house one nite. From: "Michael Farmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] i'm bccc Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:24:27 -0700 I lived in Key west for 2 years, I hate the place. Nice to visit, sucks real bad to live there. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] i'm bccc Hi list.I am back from KEY WEST.Me and my wife had a great time.If limestone was valuable, KEYwest would be the most rich island anywhere.It was every where.I hope everyone had a great holiday.Time to getback into meteorites. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking Out For Nature's Weapons of Mass Destruction
http://www.inform.umd.edu/News/Diamondback/archives/2003/12/12/news8.html Looking out for nature's weapons of mass destruction University astronomer warns about danger from above By Jeremy Hsieh The Diamondback (University of Maryland) December 12, 2003 Spectacles like the Geminid meteor shower, which will peak tomorrow night, act as harmless, natural light shows for stargazers. It's the bigger things that have fallen - and will fall again - from the sky that worry Lucy McFadden, university associate professor of astronomy. McFadden was one of 13 space experts to sign a letter warning Congress in July to invest in the early detection of asteroids and comets passing near the Earth, also known as Near Earth Objects. When I first started studying in this field 30 years ago ... we knew these things were passing near Earth, but we didn't really appreciate their threat, McFadden said. The 1994 impact of the Shoemaker-Levy 9 comet on Jupiter served as a wake-up call to space scientists around the world. The letter described the impact of the explosion as being as powerful as a billion megatons of TNT. In the aftermath, a dust cloud larger than the size of Earth swelled in Jupiter's atmosphere. It sort of dawned on us that this happens, McFadden said. The letter to Congress is one of the latest steps space scientists have taken to increase awareness of the extraterrestrial threat. McFadden said officials should prepare for an NEO impact in the same ways they prepare for other disasters. It's just adding to our list of natural disasters, McFadden said. And such a disaster is a statistical inevitability. We cannot rely on statistics alone to protect us from catastrophe; such a strategy is like refusing to buy fire insurance because blazes are infrequent, the letter's authors wrote. Our country simply cannot afford to wait for the first modern occurrence of a devastating NEO impact before taking steps to adequately address this threat. If space research has taught us anything, it is the certainty that an asteroid or comet will hit Earth again, the letter's authors wrote. Impacts are common events in Earth's history: Scientists have found more than 150 large impact craters on our planet's surface. Were it not for Earth's oceans and geological forces such as erosion and plate tectonics, the planet's impact scars would be as plain as those visible on the moon. But why appeal to the U.S. government to save the world? There's the problem, McFadden said. There's no structure [for dealing with planetary defense]. Whose responsibility is it to protect the planet? NASA is an exploration agency. [The Federal Emergency Management Agency] is for helping people after the fact. The decision to appeal to Congress to invest in NEO precautions was somewhat arbitrary, stemming from American ethos, McFadden said. The letter's signatories focused their letter on stepping up the monitoring of space for NEOs, but did not offer concrete solutions for destroying or deflecting potential NEOs detected on a collision course with Earth. Do I think it's worth spending billions of dollars on designing something [to destroy or deflect NEOs]? McFadden asked, rhetorically. Eh. I'd rather explore the solar system. The full contents of the letter are available at http://www.congressneoaction.org. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Is there room for a meteorite question?
Fly, Thanks, for the thanks! You're right, "since water (0.92 g/mL) in equilibrium at 0C is denser than ice (1.00 g/mL)." should read: "since water (1.00 g/mL) in equilibrium at 0C is denser than ice (0.92 g/mL)." I should have proofread...also, I noticed that I mentioned that H20 ice had about 20 crystalline forms. It should have been about 20 solid forms amorphous and crystalline (crystalline is about 13). Now I'll sleep easier...knowing you won't be preparing the caldren for the "Field of Heaven". By the way, some folks from Xiquipilco (Toluca) may still remember what happens when you try to melt meteoric iron! Saludos, Doug Dawn En un mensaje con fecha 12/12/2003 8:55:58 AM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Doug, Great explaination ! It's been a long time since Chemistry class -- and we never got that deep. I guess I can turn off the melting pot and put that 10 lb Campo back on the shelf. One question, though. You stated "since water (0.92 g/mL) in equilibrium at 0C is denser than ice (1.00 g/mL)." Did you mean that the other way? Water at 1.00 g/mL ? Thanks Fly Hill - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Is there room for a meteorite question ? And for a more complete stab at answering your question from a proud "newbee". Note you really asked two questions. 1. If upon cooling there is expansion and 2. If the density is the same as non-crystalline materials formed on earth in the same ally proportions. To question 1: If I understand your question properly at first reading you think that Fe-Ni mixtures upon cooling in the proper proportions forming taenite / kamacite might expand? No way. Those structures do not form until after the alloy is already solid, though in an amorphous (non-crystalline) state with selective atom mobility. Those migrations of atoms occur to release heat energy flowing out of the system because of decreasing boundary temperatures and the law of heat flowing from higher to colder temperatures. The migrations are happening as these new crystal structures settle down from vibrations and fall into their little unit cells, allowing for a more dense material. For an expansion they would have to rip apart the already developed solid structure...causing perhaps a very brittle substance even. Now your other question, whether the "terrestrial" amorphous material has the same density as a "crystalline" meteorite material. That's something I'm sure you know if you think a minute. Of course it does not have the same density. So save your iron meteorites for better experiments, and don't melt them to see. The amorphous material probably won't even have as an extremely precisely definable density. It ought to vary because it is amorphous. Whether statistics averages the density out or not is a separate question and of course will depend on exactly what alloy %'s you have and how well they are mixed on a macro scale...the history of how the sample was cooled, etc. Does graphite have the same density as diamond? No. You cite water, when freezing, as expanding as your model, since water (0.92 g/mL) in equilibrium at 0C is denser than ice (1.00 g/mL). Water is weird, and one of the anomalous things that explains life. The short answer on why it expands upon decreasing temperature at atmospheric pressure from 4C to 0C is a softening of proton (hydrogen) bonding and disruption of that nicely organized structure as it is an ionic (solution) type attraction that is destroyed as the molecules begin to fall down from their bounciness caused by higher temperatures. So the destruction of the hydrogen bonds happens upon cooling. Another way to say that is the melting of the hydrogen bonds upon cooling In its amorphous, hydrogen-bondless state oxygen atoms find themselves not tolerating such close density as before when all were moderated by the hydrogen atoms. So they repel each other an average of about 8% volume increase. Water would be less than 0.92 g/mL at room temperature if not for the hydrogen bonding. Probably about 0.90, and then it would behave like most of the other molecules upon freezing. There are no comparably scaled ionic like attractions going on in the metal alloys as they cool. So there is no comparison to the special case of water. Additionally, you should know that water ice has about 20 described crystalline structures, and they are, not coincidentally, not all the same density! You need to know the history of it. Do you think super cooled hail is the same as the cubes floating in your ice tea? No. And the rockhounds can probably come up with a good list of structures with different densities but the same molecular proportions. Every sample is individual: so back to the meteorite experiment. Each meteorite has a different history as in temperatures and pressures. Each has different impurities, so you will need to
RE: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek
I did have some extensive information but I lost it. Sorry. Randy From: "Jerry Calvert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Meteorite Email List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:49:33 -0600 Does anyone have information on the "Lost Creek" meteorite? Thanks, Jerry Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek
At 10:49 AM 12/12/2003, Jerry Calvert wrote: Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? Thanks, Jerry As is so often the case, David Weir has a useful page devoted to this meteorite: http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/9278/protected_LOSTCREE.HTM -- Philip R. Pib Burns [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pibburns.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Top ten fictitious meteorite names
Hello List, Here are my entries for the Top ten fictitious meteorite names contest! 1. The IRS (IAB) (TKW 60 tons) A massive Hammer stone hits the IRS building, completely destroying the computer system wiping out all IRS collection records! No injuries reported... 2. The Inn Suites Tucson meteorite (Lunaite) (TKW 50 tons) A Large shower of Lunar meteorites rain down over the Inn suites during a Gem Mineral show, mass chaos erupts 3. The Neverland Ranch (IIIAB) (TKW 40Tons) A large hammer stone destroys the Neverland Ranch killing Michael Jackson and putting an end to the molestation investigation! 4. Miami-Dade County (H6) (TKW 200 tons). During a visit by Al Gore doing one last recount, an ordinary chondrite wipes out Miami-Dade county! The only thing left is a half a million punch cards with hanging chads! 5. Eminem (lllAB) (TKW 400g's) A 400 gram iron meteorite falls and hits rapper Eminem on the head killing him instantly and putting an end to white rap!!! 6. Nakhla 2 (SNC) (TKW 3.5 k) A second Martian meteorite falls in Nakhla and kills dog for sure! 7. New York (L6) (TKW 1.4k) A Hammer stone crashes through the roof of the Clinton's mansion striking president Clinton's groin area and killing Monica Lewinsky with severe head injuries..??? 8.Chinellato (SNC) (TKW???) A meteorite was suspected of falling in Italy, but apparently it never arrived. 9. Pope Mobile (L4) (TKW 40k) The Popes vehicle was struck by a large meteorite while parked in the Vatican's garage. Apparently the glass dome was no match for this hammer. The Pope is forced to tour in a 1970 Volkswagen beetle! 10. Bat Cave ( pallasite) (TKW 20k) Bat man was struck by a large meteorite while polishing the Bat Mobile and has a slight concussion! The boy Wonder was left wondering what happened.. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
Dear List, I search Meteorites A to Z, and Fifth Edition of Catalogue of Meteorites and seems I am at a loss to find Lost Creek as well. We have lost lakes, and lost cities, and now Lost-lost lake! Help! Dave F (not proud tom) Randy Mils wrote: I did have some extensive information but I lost it. Sorry. Randy From: Jerry Calvert To: Meteorite Email List Subject: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:49:33 -0600 Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? Thanks, Jerry Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year -- six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://g.msn.com/8HMBENUS/2728??PS= __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the "Lost Creek" meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am "at a loss" to find "Lost Creek" as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at "Meteorites A-Z" reveals the following Kansas "creeks" - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creekmaybe the rock in question is one of those? GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918Santa Monica, CA 90403
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
Enabling our selves to grow, how about a suspected location by Long and Lat, and the state/region of the world it should have came from. The Catalogue has locations listed, maybe one of the creeks in that area would match with the long. and lat. Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am at a loss to find Lost Creek as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at Meteorites A-Z reveals the following Kansas creeks - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creekmaybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
Lost Creek is not the only well known one missing from the cataloques. Just try to find the "cow killer", Valera. Suppose, both are real ones, but whats the reason, they are not listed? pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the "Lost Creek" meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am "at a loss" to find "Lost Creek" as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at "Meteorites A-Z" reveals the following Kansas "creeks" - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creek...maybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
Hello to the lost of lost creek, Lost creek was classified by Dr. Alan Ruben in 2001 and was in the Met. Bulletin #86 of 2002. This was in a poor time frame to be included in the 5th. Ed. Cat. of Meteorites. It is a H 3.8 (S2 W3) Brad Sampson had the main mass last recorded. Credits go to good friend remaining annomonous. DAve Freeman DNAndrews wrote: For Lost Creek in Lincoln Co., KS. I came up with the following topo: http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.03556lon=-98.15694 http://topozone.com/map.asp?lat=39.03556lon=-98.15694 Hope this helps you all out. Dave David Freeman wrote: Enabling our selves to grow, how about a suspected location by Long and Lat, and the state/region of the world it should have came from. The Catalogue has locations listed, maybe one of the creeks in that area would match with the long. and lat. Dave F. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am at a loss to find Lost Creek as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at Meteorites A-Z reveals the following Kansas creeks - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creekmaybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Imilac history
Hello Where is possible find a little history of the Imilac meteorite? I want put this with my 88.2 gr. slice I have for sale from the NHM of London. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
Dear Pekka, List; There is a lag time with classifications (sometimes years), and a lag time with the annual meeting of the nomenclature committee (annually in July, info must be printed in about May or so of that year), and lag time with the printing of the 5th. Ed. Catalogue of Meteorites as there is with any publication being submitted for review, and review, and publishing, and printing..so, the cut off was way back in as a guess '97 or '98 maybe earlier? Lost Creek with dates like 2001 and 2002 in the met. bulletin would be under the window of opportunity. Hope this helps. Dave Freeman Pekka Savolainen wrote: Lost Creek is not the only well known one missing from the cataloques. Just try to find the cow killer, Valera. Suppose, both are real ones, but what´s the reason, they are not listed? pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am at a loss to find Lost Creek as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at Meteorites A-Z reveals the following Kansas creeks - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creek...maybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
The data of Lost Creek can be found at least from the Monning collection; http://geowww.geo.tcu.edu:591/FMRes/FMPro pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the "Lost Creek" meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am "at a loss" to find "Lost Creek" as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at "Meteorites A-Z" reveals the following Kansas "creeks" - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creek...maybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] X-Mas time...
Dear List Members, This message is a"short version" so that it does not exceed 20 KB and therefore can be sent; do not hesitate to ask me the full version, should you like more details (original message could not go through). Here are some more of the meteorites that we have found in the Sahara Desert, on Reg Acfer and in Tanezrouft. Have a look at them and send us an e-mail for any information. We offer a special price to List Members, with 10% discount on our web site prices (I can send you the full detailed list). All of them are classified by MNHN Paris (B.Zanda M.Denise) and Blaise Pascal University Clermont Ferrand (B.Devouard J.L.Devidal) and appear in the Meteoritical Bulletin nr 87 and provisional nr88 (Tan088), andare supplied witha certificate of authenticity. I addition to our meteorites, we propose also a nice piece of Libyan Glass, and another wonderful Fulgurite. Have a look: http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/meteoriteshow%20fra/pages%20navigation/pieces_en_vente-fra.html We will be glad to answer any question you may have.Kind regardsFrederic Beroud Christophe Boucherwww.meteoriteshow.comIMCA #2491
Re: [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
Thank you, Dave, this helps...;- best regards, pekka s David Freeman wrote: Dear Pekka, List; There is a lag time with classifications (sometimes years), and a lag time with the annual meeting of the nomenclature committee (annually in July, info must be printed in about May or so of that year), and lag time with the printing of the 5th. Ed. Catalogue of Meteorites as there is with any publication being submitted for review, and review, and publishing, and printing..so, the cut off was way back in as a guess '97 or '98 maybe earlier? Lost Creek with dates like 2001 and 2002 in the met. bulletin would be under the window of opportunity. Hope this helps. Dave Freeman Pekka Savolainen wrote: Lost Creek is not the only well known one missing from the cataloques. Just try to find the cow killer, Valera. Suppose, both are real ones, but what´s the reason, they are not listed? pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am at a loss to find Lost Creek as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at Meteorites A-Z reveals the following Kansas creeks - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creek...maybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help with Posting
Thanks for some of the off line comments, I appreciate being in this group so far. I've posted a few online replies, and each time the reply starts a new subject (thread) instead of filing itself under the original question. How do some of you veterans (war and peacetime) get you replies posted to the board below their original questions? I have used "reply" and "reply all" options, and none worked for me. Thanks in advance! Doug Dawn Mexico
[meteorite-list] Fireballs and Electrophonic sounds
Hello List, If you don't have a copy of The Cambridge Encyclopedia of Meteorites by O. Richard Norton, I strongly suggest putting it on your Christmas wish list, you won't regret it. The second chapter describes the fireball phenomena and mentions Electrophonic sounds. Living in central New Hampshire, I can recall back in the late 60's (and no, I wasn't high... at the time) hearing quite a loud sizzling / crackling noise as I was standing near a utility pole one late summer afternoon. My first reaction was to look for an arc over on an insulator but instead I witnessed a very large, bright yellow green fireball about 20 degrees from the horizon moving from West to East. No sonic booms and no smoke / debris trail that I can remember. I guesstimate 12 to 18 seconds of horizontal flight, then the noise and fireball disappeared at the same time. I now understand why I was able to watch and hear the fireball simultaneously ... Electrophonic sounds... radio waves converted into sound via the wires / utility pole, thank you Mr. Norton. I'm guessing but think this was a sizable mass at quite some distance that just skipped in then out. Over Boston maybe??? Have done some research but with little luck. Any old people ( high or not, I'm not particular) out there remember such an event? Point me towards a data base? Best wishes to all, Mike Gallant __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] i'm baaaaccckkkk
I was down there just last week myself and walked past the Meteor smoke house , but alas didn`t have my camera with me. That is quite the meteor, a flying pig picture!!! The best restaurant that we ate at was called The Two Friends. It`s amazing the size of the cruise ships that dock there also. Dave AAH the keys: a little slice of paraidse , eh? you're only supposed to go to the keys to LIVE- NOT to work! still own property in big pine, butwould hate to have to buy it now. keys are nice IF (and only if) you own your own place free and clear- rent is ridiculously high for what you get ($1,000 for a single-wide to $2,600 for a 3/2 on a canal) and the average wage for 70% of the population of moroe county is only$7.20/hr.. if you really want some fun, try to get a building permit for that 100'x50' lot w/ no rogo points you bought next door for only $50,000. blood vessels will bust and hairs will grey and fall out (trust me on this one). meteorite hunting sux though. the life expectancy of any meteorite in the keys (no matter what size) is only 15 minutes!!! oh, the best bar in key west is the parrot on whitehead and there is agreat bbq place next to it called the Meteor smoke house! some of you dealer types out there ougtta sell a big campo to 'em for display as you walk in- would really fit in nicey in the place. if the sale goes thru, send me a half-dozen or so carte blanche freebie passes to the place for a finder's fee so me and my friends can stuff a gut and catch a buzz there on the house one nite. From: Michael Farmer To: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! , Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] i'm bccc Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 13:24:27 -0700 I lived in Key west for 2 years, I hate the place. Nice to visit, sucks real bad to live there. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! To: Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 11:07 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] i'm bccc Hi list.I am back from KEY WEST.Me and my wife had a great time.If limestone was valuable, KEYwest would be the most rich island anywhere.It was every where.I hope everyone had a great holiday.Time to get back into meteorites. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan now! __Meteorite-list mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] UFO Buffs Sue To Obtain Data on Pennsylvania Fireball
Ron: I have followed this story since it happened. My bet is that it was a Russian reentry vehicle. I can think of no other reason that NASA personnel would be at the sight (as claimed by many witnesses) unless it was some kind of spacecraft of ours or the Soviets. If it were a real UFO the military wouldn't let anyone except the CIA in the area. The National Security excuse is only because we don't want the rest of the world to know we violate treaties as much as any other country does. We were supposed to give back any Soviet Spacecraft we found. It should be interesting to see what develops. George __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Murchison was a barn smasher
Greetings list, I am putting a 1 gram fragment of Murchison up for auction today. I wanted to add something additional that was interesting to my description about the fall and I found the following. From the Meteoritical Bulletin #48 Moscow, 1970, page 107: A fireball was seen. It was parted into three pieces before its disappearing. After that, a cloud of smoke was seen and 30 seconds later a tremor was heard. Some of the specimens were found on a road and the largest one weighing 680 g came through a roof and fell in the hay... A good weekend to all. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Imilac history
Why not ask the NHM of London, Matteo? Bill Kieskowski Hello Where is possible find a little history of the Imilac meteorite? I want put this with my 88.2 gr. slice I have for sale from the NHM of London. Regards Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ** TUCSON 2004 ** - Please e-mail your Tucson Information
Dear List, We are ready to start receiving your Tucson 2004 information! Please reply to this e-mail or use ** TUCSON 2004 ** as your subject header. We'll have links on meteorite.com and meteoritetimes.com soon. In the mean time you can verify your information at the following URL. http://www.meteorite.com/tucson.htm Thanks! Paul and Jim ** Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.com MeteoriteTimes.com http://www.meteoritetimes.com PMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA *** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs and Electrophonic sounds
Hello Mike, Research on Electrophonic sounds related to fireballs is a work in progress and the book is still on page one. There are many widely placed reports and in Mongolia within the past 5-6 years a scientific expedition was recording audio and captuerd the sound. Current (no pun intended) theory is that the plasma of the fireball generates microwaves which travel at the speed of light, are absorbed by water bearing vegitation, mineralized ground, or large metal objects--that then resonate in a sonic frequency. Elton Michael Gallant wrote: Hello List, snip I'm guessing but think this was a sizable mass at quite some distance that just skipped in then out. Over Boston maybe??? Have done some research but with little luck. Any old people ( high or not, I'm not particular) out there remember such an event? Point me towards a data base? Best wishes to all, Mike Gallant __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
Here are my entries: 1. MyFirst 2. Ifoun Dit 3. Itsmine 4. Fellin Frontofme 5. Hitmy Foot 6. Gota Notherone 7. Inmy Gutter 8. Yard Hole 9. BirthdayFalls 10. Sawmars (This would be an SNC). Of course, all of these would be falls/finds of mine. :-) Dave Johnson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Posting-Theads if anyone has ever wondered
I assume you want your replies to be indents under the original questio, thus remaining chronologically located in the threadand much more easy to follow. Depending on your software there is a thread code, or message ID chain, embedded somewhere in the header so that when you reply, other mail programs recognize it as a thread and thread it accordingly. Some mail applications recognize it and some don't. I don't know how you set that feature in your mail program. Sorry When someone uses a threaded message to start a new topi even if they deleate everything, the code is retained and it gets placed in the original thread. In net parlance this is called Hijacking a thread. Elton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (snip) each time the reply starts a new subject (thread) instead of filing itself under the original question. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!!
You guys picked the wrong day to ask questions about Lost Creek. Rob Matson isn't on-line today. When he gets back from the desert, he'll be able to answer any of your questions. And Doug Dawn is right. The By Thread Archives is all jacked-up. The threads don't seem to be properly connected. I can't understand the logic to their heirarchy. I've Cc:'d Art Jones. Bob V. [meteorite-list] Lost Creek may be really lost!!! Pekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri, 12 Dec 2003 21:48:29 +0200 The data of Lost Creek can be found at least from the Monning collection; http://geowww.geo.tcu.edu:591/FMRes/FMPro pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone have information on the Lost Creek meteorite? [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am at a loss to find Lost Creek as well. I know Jerry is an avid collector of Kansas meteorites in particular, and a glance at Meteorites A-Z reveals the following Kansas creeks - Elm Creek, Goose Creek, Ladder Creek, Prairie Dog Creek, and Sand Creek...maybe the rock in question is one of those? Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Back for a few days - Report from the field
Dear List Members, I just finished checking in to see what has been going on in-between expeditions. We will be off again on another trip in a couple of days. Some comments on a few items: I see we were featured on the Proud Tom site this time. I must say the pictures were pretty flattering but the text was lifted and changed from our About Me site on eBay. We were hoping for a little more creativity like the first Proud Tom site which looks like it was written from scratch and was somewhat more entertaining. Anyway, no harm done, it created a chuckle from us and we are glad to see we made the second cut. The next thing I would like to bring up is the success we enjoyed on our latest expedition. We finally had a chance to search dried out lake beds after reading so much about them in southern California and Nevada. We made a cold find (unreported new find) on the first full day of the expedition in California. A total of three black crusted individual meteorites, not fragments, were found close to one another over a two day period constituting a new strewn field, talk about luck! Congratulations to Steve Drummond who found his first meteorite ever and more importantly it was the second one found proving we were working a new strewn field. I found the first completely crusted individual which weighed 54.3 grams and my brother, Greg, found the third, all within 100' of each other forming a perfect triangle. This is a first for Greg and I as we have never found a meteorite that was not from an established strewn field or fall with the exception of a specimen that we lost the chain of custody of. This will not be the case this time because we had four witnesses, GPS coordinates and in situ pictures. We will prepare an article later on this new find which will have a very cool new name because of its find locality. We ran into a fellow List Member and meteorite hunter at Roach Dry Lake in Nevada while our six member team was searching, talk about a small world. We are not sure whether any more meteorites were found in Nevada because the small magnetic pieces we found need to be checked under a microscope. I also found a very strange black crusted stone with a pinkish-white center. I thought it was some kind of animal turd because of its odd perfectly symmetrical oriented shape but this thing shows small crystals, flow lines and is hard as rock. I suppose it could be some strange man-made object because I have never seen a meteorite that looks like this thing. Will show pictures of these finds when we return from our second expedition. Wishing everybody well, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
My list: 1.Altmann's Backyard (ALB) 005 2. ALB 008 3. ALB 123 4. ALB 244 .. 10. ALB 988 In fact a lunar mare basalt, which fragmented hitting my backyard and the MetSoc. gave to each crumb an own number... ALB 123 sells at 3200$/g. ALB 988 at 5500$/g. ALB 368 let's see, it's one of the smallest Moons ever found!! 10.000$/g. ALB 013 the LUCKY 13...ask for a fair price. ALB 511 maybe it's paired with ALB 240/241/391/700... thus it's cheaper. The ALB 600series you'll find exclusively at Meteorite-Martin. ALB 256 is one of the most colourfull of the ALBs. ALB 801 I never saw offered on ebay. ALB784 Lowest price for ALB 784 on the market! 30% off on ALB 542, only for the next 542 hours, Paypal preferred... ALB 080 it's a beauty! and ALB 666 I will trade with the evil little brother of Roberto Begnini.. Skol. Martin A. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:26 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest Here are my entries: 1. MyFirst 2. Ifoun Dit 3. Itsmine 4. Fellin Frontofme 5. Hitmy Foot 6. Gota Notherone 7. Inmy Gutter 8. Yard Hole 9. BirthdayFalls 10. Sawmars (This would be an SNC). Of course, all of these would be falls/finds of mine. :-) Dave Johnson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Plagues, philadelphia, and meteorites
I am presently reading a book called An American Plague: the true and terrifying story of the Yellow Fever Epidemic of 1793, by Jim Murphy. It describes the progress of yellow fever through Philadelphia in the late summer and fall of 1793. At the end of one chapter, it tells how George Washington had to leave the city at the insistence of his wife. Two days after the president left [on September 10]... a meteorite fell out of the morning sky and thudded into Third Street. If this is true, where does the metorite now reside, and does anyone have any additional information about it? I find it of interest, not only because it would have been a documented fall, but also a 'birthday' meteorite for me. If not true, the writer needs to correct his information. T _ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: UFO Buffs Sue
Dear List, Jim Oberg, the soviet space expert, is also of the opinion that the Kecksburg impact was a soviet satellite the US wanted to keep and not return as per treaty. The meteorite story, Oberg says, was a cover (it is not listed in any meteorite catalog) and the UFO flap was an even better cover up that accidentally came along. I saw drawings of the Keckburg object by firemen who saw it. It looks just like a soviet re-entry vehicle. The alien writing reported was probably Russian. I hope the UFO buffs do get their information. It may help solve a space mystery. Francis Graham __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Plagues, philadelphia, and meteorites
Melted into the liberty bell, or a horse shoe for Paul Revere's horse? df tracy latimer wrote: I am presently reading a book called An American Plague: the true and terrifying story of the Yellow Fever Epidemic of 1793, by Jim Murphy. It describes the progress of yellow fever through Philadelphia in the late summer and fall of 1793. At the end of one chapter, it tells how George Washington had to leave the city at the insistence of his wife. Two days after the president left [on September 10]... a meteorite fell out of the morning sky and thudded into Third Street. If this is true, where does the metorite now reside, and does anyone have any additional information about it? I find it of interest, not only because it would have been a documented fall, but also a 'birthday' meteorite for me. If not true, the writer needs to correct his information. T _ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
you forgot , "it caught the woods on fire"- h5 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 16:26:38 -0600 Here are my entries: 1. MyFirst 2. Ifoun Dit 3. Itsmine 4. Fellin Frontofme 5. Hitmy Foot 6. Gota Notherone 7. Inmy Gutter 8. Yard Hole 9. BirthdayFalls 10. Sawmars (This would be an SNC). Of course, all of these would be falls/finds of mine.:-) Dave Johnson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Shop online for kidsÂ’ toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
So far my vote goes for, you have been out bid. That really is the most common and yet the rarest in anyones collection as stated. I like the thread about I tripped on it. It twisted my ankle. Bill Kieskowski Here are my entries: 1. MyFirst 2. Ifoun Dit 3. Itsmine 4. Fellin Frontofme 5. Hitmy Foot 6. Gota Notherone 7. Inmy Gutter 8. Yard Hole 9. BirthdayFalls 10. Sawmars (This would be an SNC). Of course, all of these would be falls/finds of mine. :-) Dave Johnson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs and Electrophonic sounds
Hello Elton, I have a question and figured the list might be interested as well. The telecommunications industry relies heavily on microwave radios. Would a fireball interfere with microwave radios? It would seem like there would be some sort of interference. Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: E. L. Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Gallant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fireballs and Electrophonic sounds Hello Mike, Research on Electrophonic sounds related to fireballs is a work in progress and the book is still on page one. There are many widely placed reports and in Mongolia within the past 5-6 years a scientific expedition was recording audio and captuerd the sound. Current (no pun intended) theory is that the plasma of the fireball generates microwaves which travel at the speed of light, are absorbed by water bearing vegitation, mineralized ground, or large metal objects--that then resonate in a sonic frequency. Elton Michael Gallant wrote: Hello List, snip I'm guessing but think this was a sizable mass at quite some distance that just skipped in then out. Over Boston maybe??? Have done some research but with little luck. Any old people ( high or not, I'm not particular) out there remember such an event? Point me towards a data base? Best wishes to all, Mike Gallant __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Top ten fictitious meteorite names
1.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar A) Amen. Part slice .000231g 2.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar B) Amen. Part slice .0006331g 3.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar C) Amen. Part slice .0010269g (ONLY 100grams found) 4.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar D) Amen. Part slice .0666g may be the same as Lunar A B C D Darfbater 461 5.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar E) Amen. Part slice .00220231g This is all thats left, after this is sold, it will be all gone 6.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar F) Amen. Part slice .000867g being studied at Y.C.NOW not priced yet 7.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar G) Amen. Part slice .02200651g (SOLD OUT) 8.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar H) Amen. Part slice .005460231g (SOLD OUT) 9.) Meteorite Darfbater 461 (Lunar I) Amen. Part slice .00077231g (SOLD OUT) 10.) Meteorite NWA - Not Worth Anything Yet only 1500kilo's for now. But more may be discovered any day now. Hurry this is the biggest sale of the year don't miss out Thank You Proud Tom, Tim Heitz __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour
Greetings List, I am back in civilization for a short time to enjoy my birthday, Christmas and a short respite before setting up my meteorite/thunderegg shop at the Quartzite Gem Mineral Show in AZ.My "team" and I have been touring the southern and central California dry lakes and thier environs, hunting meteorites, fossils, and mineral specimens. Ray "You Have The Right To Remain Silent" Miranda and James "Bloodengutz" Kilbourne are myhelpful team members andhave signed up to helpupmy Chaosity Meteoritics organization. Roughly modeled in the non-profit-sell-to-fund-(re)search, Chaosity is just getting under way. We toured Ford, Palen, Silver, Danby, Cadiz, Bristol, Soda, Ivanpah, Roach, Dale, and the East and West Cronise dry lakes during this recent phase. Our plan is toconductarecycling two year dry lake tourof some 75 lakesin California, Nevada andUtah. Anyone who's come out here to do this probably knows . . . some of these places are absolutely NOT places one ever wants to hunt meteorites. Most of these lakes are in volcanic hotspots and end up with small pillow lava stones, rounded, either black or rust red, peppered all over the lakesurface. Our preferred method of searchingthese places is on footwith custom maderare-earth magnets dangled from a guy wire handle. Iron ore is prevalently mined near some lakes and serves to cause some havoc with metal detectors. Most of the dry lakes in this region are not currently dry and have softloamy surface muds covered with thin dry crusts. We have found three possible meteorites from three locations. One location has a previous find and ours looks like it may be a matching pair to it. Tentative examination by knowledgable folks types it the same classification as the previous find only 2 stages more weathered. What's interesting is that the previous mass and mine are the same weight down to the 10th gram place . . . could be interesting determining the main mass! I'll write more on the escapades of Chaosity in thecoming days. For now I want to wish everyone happy holidays and hope to see some of you in Tuscon if I can get free of Quartzite for a few days.Mark Jackson Chaosity Meteoritics [EMAIL PROTECTED] Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing
[meteorite-list] Geminid meteor shower
Just a reminder The Geminid meteor shower, is peaking on the night of December 13-14! Look up Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lost Creek info
Hi Dave and List, Lost creek was classified by Dr. Alan Ruben in 2001 and was in the Met. Bulletin #86 of 2002. This was in a poor time frame to be included in the 5th. Ed. Cat. of Meteorites. It is a H 3.8 (S2 W3) Brad Sampson had the main mass last recorded. Brad Sampson and I jointly purchased Lost Creek from the finder's family a few years ago. Brad had the main mass at that time, but I believe he cut most (if not all) of his portion up for sales and university trades. If so, and none of those cut pieces exceeds a kilo, I very likely have the main mass (~900 grams). --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
Well it starts down hill from here. I hate to do this but I'm going to give you all some local names around here from Pennsylvania Dutch (German, Amish, etc.) country near Lancaster, PA. Now remember these are real names of real towns in one county here in Eastern PA. The order is mine for color. If a large meteorite fall would hit Lancaster County, the naming committee could pick from: 1. Bareville 2. Goodville 3. Bird In Hand 4. Gap 5. Intercourse 6. Paradise 7. Mount Joy 8. Mountville 9. Quarryville 10. Blue Ball Sounds like a teenage quest gone bad. John PS Mount Joy would have to be tagged 002, since we already have the Mount Joy iron find. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Top Ten Names Contest
Imagine you are preparing labels for a new case of meteorites, these names are sure to confuse the public. All are city or geographic names in the US. In fact some names appear in more than one state which increases the chance that someday these might be real names for meteorites. 1.Limestone; Florida, Maine, New York, Tennessee 2.Granite; Oklahoma, Oregon 3.Sandstone; Minnesota, West Virginia 4.Gypsum; Colorado, Kansas 5.Concrete, Washington 6.Chloride, Arizona 7.Opal, Wyoming 8.Coral, Pennsylvania 9.Marble; Colorado, Minnesota, North Carolina 10.Onyx, California 11.Pyrites, New York 12.Irons, Michigan 13.Sulphur; Louisiana, Nevada, Oklahoma Breaking the theme 14.Comet, Alaska 15.Crystal; Maine, North Dakota, New Hampshire 16.Falling Rock, West Virginia 17.Black Rock; Connecticut, Arkansas 18.Rock Falls, Illinois 19.Big Rock, Virginia 20.Rock; Massachusetts, Michigan, West Virginia 21.Stone; Kentucky, Idaho, Kentucky. Sorry, I got started and couldn't stop with ten. Dan Wray COMETS __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour
No kidding? What ever happened to that open invitation to join your expedition into the wild golf courses of Olympis Fields? Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites
Yes, but only for a dremmel. You pro's cut with big equipment and use liquid Coolants that must trap all of the dust. A dremmel using a cutting wheel really puts out a lot of dust in the air. Not being a chemist, I do think that airborne nickel dust might be poisonous... A dust mask cannot be a bad idea. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Martino Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites CharlyV points out that one should always use a dust mask when cutting meteorites. Great. As if my life wasn't complicated enough, now my hobby has a new hazard associated with it: Chondrite Lung Disease - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Cutting Meteorites This response got lost somehow. re-posted here, likely an attachment in thread exceeded text size limit.. The Dremmel diamond blades are nice, but don't use them on irons or even H chondrites. They just cannot take the punishment and your $15 or $20 goes up in smoke in a few small slices. (even with lube). Believe that the #420 cutoff wheels (tungsten carbide with quartz) used with paraffin work better. Try it yourself. You also get 20 for about $4.00, good for a lot of cuts, and remember to use that candle. (oh. and eye protection and a silk scarf over your nose/mouth or one of those cheap construction dust masks.) CharlyV __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour
Dear Mark and List Members, You are not kidding when you say most of the dry lake beds have black and red volcanic rocks everywhere. We literally had to search through tens of thousands of these black rocks to find the unreported strewn field. These dry lake expeditions are not for the faint-of-heart. To be somewhat successful you have to hike at least 10 miles a day zig-zagging from black rock to rock. Separating meteorites from the lava stones can cause eye strain and the cold wind howling through these areas can cause wind burn. We searched seven dry lake beds, drove over 800 miles and must have hiked at least a hundred miles to find three stones so an extreme level of patience is required. In other words, these dry lake finds do not come easy. All the best, Adam Hupe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites
Hey all, I thought I was a goner after breathing Nantan dust for about five minutes! I could not breath right for days! Thanks, Tom Peregrineflier Yea, that's right, The proudest member of the IMCA # 6168 - Original Message - From: Charles Viau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 10:33 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites Yes, but only for a dremmel. You pro's cut with big equipment and use liquid Coolants that must trap all of the dust. A dremmel using a cutting wheel really puts out a lot of dust in the air. Not being a chemist, I do think that airborne nickel dust might be poisonous... A dust mask cannot be a bad idea. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Martino Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites CharlyV points out that one should always use a dust mask when cutting meteorites. Great. As if my life wasn't complicated enough, now my hobby has a new hazard associated with it: Chondrite Lung Disease - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ .. Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Cutting Meteorites This response got lost somehow. re-posted here, likely an attachment in thread exceeded text size limit.. The Dremmel diamond blades are nice, but don't use them on irons or even H chondrites. They just cannot take the punishment and your $15 or $20 goes up in smoke in a few small slices. (even with lube). Believe that the #420 cutoff wheels (tungsten carbide with quartz) used with paraffin work better. Try it yourself. You also get 20 for about $4.00, good for a lot of cuts, and remember to use that candle. (oh. and eye protection and a silk scarf over your nose/mouth or one of those cheap construction dust masks.) CharlyV __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: expeditions
Dear Adam, I spent quite a few years in the deserts of swa. I hunted for scrap iron in the beginning. I expanded into whatever I could find. Antique bottles and such. The best site i ever found was an old auto parts dump. Piles of old brass horns from model-K fords. I drove down mountains in 110 degree heat in old trucks loaded with junk that weighed 5 times more than the truck, with no brakes. Ever spend 16 hours a day dismantling a combine in the desert and trying to figure out how to load it into a 54 chevy pickup? Rattlesnakes and scorpions jumping out of every dry log while i chopped through that hard pan soil to make a buck. Desert winds sandblasting my rear and more important my truck! Go buy some chapstick. Cold winds howling...give me a break! Bill Kieskowski Dear Mark and List Members, You are not kidding when you say most of the dry lake beds have black and red volcanic rocks everywhere. We literally had to search through tens of thousands of these black rocks to find the unreported strewn field. These dry lake expeditions are not for the faint-of-heart. To be somewhat successful you have to hike at least 10 miles a day zig-zagging from black rock to rock. Separating meteorites from the lava stones can cause eye strain and the cold wind howling through these areas can cause wind burn. We searched seven dry lake beds, drove over 800 miles and must have hiked at least a hundred miles to find three stones so an extreme level of patience is required. In other words, these dry lake finds do not come easy. All the best, Adam Hupe __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites
Bob - Not Chondrite Lung disease. Just Garden variety lung and nasal cancer. CharlyV - First my geocities site has gremlins, and now Bob M. can't do his hobby in peace without fear of catching some fierce E.T. disease...you're a real hypochondrite, man !! Just joking Charly, for what it's worth I'm a chemist, and CharlyV is right on (Peace). According to the American EPA (see link), it is a linear response relating refinery dust (includes sulfides), if your breathe it chronically you will have one in 10,000 odds, at 0.004 grams per cubic meter of air. That is considered quite large by toxicologists (chemist usually don't read the instructions, so chemists aren't usually of much help...their life spans are on the average 10 years less, too, really, and lets not look at the last years of quality). So it is a recognized human carcinogen. They further say it is a linear cause effect relationship and show some epidimological numbers. Which roughly translate that snorting 0.000146 grams per cubic meter of air for just one day of the year having the same 1 in 10,000 results. Or looked at another way: The average person breathes about 8 cubic meters of air per day. These odds are for 1.17 mg total breathed in in one day. At 0.117 gram per day of Ni dust, one day a year...you have 1 in a 100 chance. of getting these cancers. Or at least one person on this list. My extrapolations are not rigorous...but they shouldn't be unfounded, either. Did Nininger live to be 99 years old? Goes to show that individual response and statistics are two separate issues...but a dust mask is definity a good idea. Enough people get colon cancer from eating barbecued and smoked foods, to make it believable that ingesting burnt out stardust has a lot of inorganic nasties besides just worrying about nickel. One could always drop cutting and polishing for rose-garden tending...or just not breath that interplanetary and intergalactic dust in. Its not the same stuff Tinkerbell blows magic spells with...even though its nice to let the imagination run... http://www.epa.gov/iris/subst/0272.htm (this is the closest match the EPA has investigated.) Saludos Doug Dawn Mexico En un mensaje con fecha 12/12/2003 11:36:54 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Asunto: RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites Fecha: 12/12/2003 11:36:54 PM Mexico Standard Time De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado por Internet Yes, but only for a dremmel. You pro's cut with big equipment and use liquid Coolants that must trap all of the dust. A dremmel using a cutting wheel really puts out a lot of dust in the air. Not being a chemist, I do think that airborne nickel dust might be poisonous... A dust mask cannot be a bad idea. CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Martino Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 1:03 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Cutting Meteorites CharlyV points out that one should always use a dust mask when cutting meteorites. Great. As if my life wasn't complicated enough, now my hobby has a new hazard associated with it: "Chondrite Lung Disease" - Bob Martino, Tucson, AZ Can you really name a star? Read the Truth! http://home.columbus.rr.com/starfaq/ . Subject: FW: [meteorite-list] Cutting Meteorites This response got lost somehow. re-posted here, likely an attachment in thread exceeded text size limit.. The Dremmel diamond blades are nice, but don't use them on irons or even H chondrites. They just cannot take the punishment and your $15 or $20 goes up in smoke in a few small slices. (even with lube). Believe that the #420 cutoff wheels (tungsten carbide with quartz) used with paraffin work better. Try it yourself. You also get 20 for about $4.00, good for a lot of cuts, and remember to use that candle. (oh. and eye protection and a silk scarf over your nose/mouth or one of those cheap construction dust masks.) CharlyV
[meteorite-list] Dry Lake Grand Tour
Hi Mark, Adam and List, So you all paid a visit to our lovely (and not-so-lovely) California and Nevada dry lakes. Now you have first-hand experience with how difficult hunting these can be. You are not kidding when you say most of the dry lake beds have black and red volcanic rocks everywhere. We literally had to search through tens of thousands of these black rocks to find the unreported strewn field. After you've made 70+ trips to Mojave dry lakes, you won't even see the black and red basalt/pumice any more. ;-) Comes with practice. Still, many lakes have enough rocks on them that hunting by car is quite impractical -- you have to hoof it. Or ATV. These dry lake expeditions are not for the faint-of-heart. To be somewhat successful you have to hike at least 10 miles a day zig- zagging from black rock to rock. Only 10 miles a day? You guys are lolligagging... ;-) We searched seven dry lake beds, drove over 800 miles and must have hiked at least a hundred miles to find three stones so an extreme level of patience is required. In other words, these dry lake finds do not come easy. Amen. Fortunately, most people don't have the patience for it. Look forward to hearing which places you went so we can compare horror stories. You have my condolences in advance if you went to Soda, Bristol or the Cronise Lakes. And as Bob Verish pointed out earlier, don't be surprised if your finds aren't the first at your locale. The majority of our meteorite finds are still at embargoed study areas. Cheers, Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
