[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - September 23, 2005
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Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5
Hi Jeff, as far as I understand the term IMB does not name a completely and uniformly molten rock. Else, I would have have problems to understand the B, if there aren't any fragments of the precessor material to be found in the melt (and I think, we easily will sled into the PAC corner). Different classification of the same find as IMB or H5 f.i. are easily explainable. Take for instance Dho 010, there you have broad streams of melt flowing around chondritic fragments in different stages of melting, some even unaltered, therefore one can determinate the type (have to look Dho 010 if I remember right is H6). And furthermore take our good old Gao! There you have stones, which are simply more or less normal chondrites, other stones show large melt pockets and again others are more or less totally molten and have to be regarded, if one doesn't know about the other average Gao specimens, with no doubt as IMBs. Take a look on David Weir's page, there you have such an example. Thus with Gao we have the whole spectra - H5, H5 with melt, IMB. It's always the same, it depends what for a stone the classificators get, what for sections they do have. Remember the NWA 1109, they caught parts with slightly below 10% Dio, thus it's an EUC-P, another cut, another stone from the same find with 10%, voila they had to call it a How. Take also good old Zag. There exist pieces with only a single lithology, if those would have been handed in for typing, Zag wouldn't have bin classified as regolith breccia. Take the NWA-Rumurutis, some are nice brecciae, result - obviously paired ones (lalalaa I know, I'm not a scientist, but if it's looking the same in every detail and the stuff is so rare) got different classifications. Some R4s are paired with R3-6... Ooops, all I'm writing here, is about the optical, physical appearance of the stones, not chemically. Now, I would guess, with Capot Rey, they took either a piece without melt (if exists) or determinated the type from a not molten fragment in the melt. But look at the phantastic pieces of Carsten, those dark fat rivers of melt around the grey round jigsaw pieces. Hence if Dho 010, who looks the same, but is only much more weathered, was called a IMB, I dare to say in my Lieschen-Mueller-opinion (Lieschen Mueller is the German sister of John Doe), Capot Rey is an IMB too. Of course again we would need a concretion of terms from a qualified mouth. With type-7 vs. PAC vs. IMB we learned, that it has to do with the isotopes and in general nobody is sure about the criteria, now we have IMB vs. MR (melt rock) vs H or L with IMB vs H or L with visible huge parts of melt, but not assigned, or we have to resign ourself to being more types of rock out there in space as we have terms for them :-) Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 I would be a bit cautious about calling something an IMB unless it has been formally classified as such. My understanding is that this meteorite was classified as H5 but after further cutting later was found to be highly shocked. Let's not forget that IMB is basically a scientific term referring to the fact that the pressure reached about 75-90 GPa and is rated as S6+. It's original shock rating was only S2. A new piece should probably be submitted for re-classification so a proper determination can be made. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: drtanuki To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 9:47 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 Dear List, Does anyone have more information about Capot Rey? It is listed as an H5 in the MetBul and has no mention of it being an IMB. I would appreciate photos if someone has them of their samples that were not sold as an IMB. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Capot Rey IMB H5
Hello List, here is a picture of both versions of Capot Rey. www.gi-po.de/ebayfolder/imb-h5.htm It's always a thing with pictures, i know, but i hope this shows you that the ummelted sections of the IMB are the same like the normal H5 matrix... When you hold both specimens in your hand, it's much clearer than at the pictures. Cheers, Carsten -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.5/110 - Release Date: 22.09.2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5
Hi Martin and All, I agree wit you Martin and just wish to add one other example to yours: our Acfer 329 that has been classified as a L4/5 from the specimen that we supplied to the MNHNP for classification. This is a 30kg chondrite, with one main fragment of 15kg plus other fragments. We cut some slices from some fragments with no surprise compared to what we had at the beginning. And then we started cutting another fragment maybe two years later and discovered some beautiful shock veins in this last fragment... As shock stage had not been mentioned in the MNHNP classification we have no clue about it, but I guess that it would not have been high with the specimen supplied at first. And when you see the other ones...! They can VISUALLY be compared to our Acfer 334 that is classified with shock stage S5-6... Once again, vi-sual-ly. Later on, the choice of the words used to call them (IMB etc...) is difficult and as far as I'm concerned I talk about shock veins when I want to describe our Acfer 329 slices that display those paths of shock. But they are not showing the same as Capot Rey, that definitely looks more shocked on slices sold by Carsten on ebay! There are no melt pockets in Acfer 329 but only shock veins. I can send some pictures of Acfer 329 slices that display shock veins to Listees that are interested (there is none currently shown on our website, sorry, a mistake that I will try to correct asap). Just ask me privately. Kind regards Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 Hi Jeff, as far as I understand the term IMB does not name a completely and uniformly molten rock. Else, I would have have problems to understand the B, if there aren't any fragments of the precessor material to be found in the melt (and I think, we easily will sled into the PAC corner). Different classification of the same find as IMB or H5 f.i. are easily explainable. Take for instance Dho 010, there you have broad streams of melt flowing around chondritic fragments in different stages of melting, some even unaltered, therefore one can determinate the type (have to look Dho 010 if I remember right is H6). And furthermore take our good old Gao! There you have stones, which are simply more or less normal chondrites, other stones show large melt pockets and again others are more or less totally molten and have to be regarded, if one doesn't know about the other average Gao specimens, with no doubt as IMBs. Take a look on David Weir's page, there you have such an example. Thus with Gao we have the whole spectra - H5, H5 with melt, IMB. It's always the same, it depends what for a stone the classificators get, what for sections they do have. Remember the NWA 1109, they caught parts with slightly below 10% Dio, thus it's an EUC-P, another cut, another stone from the same find with 10%, voila they had to call it a How. Take also good old Zag. There exist pieces with only a single lithology, if those would have been handed in for typing, Zag wouldn't have bin classified as regolith breccia. Take the NWA-Rumurutis, some are nice brecciae, result - obviously paired ones (lalalaa I know, I'm not a scientist, but if it's looking the same in every detail and the stuff is so rare) got different classifications. Some R4s are paired with R3-6... Ooops, all I'm writing here, is about the optical, physical appearance of the stones, not chemically. Now, I would guess, with Capot Rey, they took either a piece without melt (if exists) or determinated the type from a not molten fragment in the melt. But look at the phantastic pieces of Carsten, those dark fat rivers of melt around the grey round jigsaw pieces. Hence if Dho 010, who looks the same, but is only much more weathered, was called a IMB, I dare to say in my Lieschen-Mueller-opinion (Lieschen Mueller is the German sister of John Doe), Capot Rey is an IMB too. Of course again we would need a concretion of terms from a qualified mouth. With type-7 vs. PAC vs. IMB we learned, that it has to do with the isotopes and in general nobody is sure about the criteria, now we have IMB vs. MR (melt rock) vs H or L with IMB vs H or L with visible huge parts of melt, but not assigned, or we have to resign ourself to being more types of rock out there in space as we have terms for them :-) Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 I would be a bit cautious about calling something an IMB unless it has been formally
RE: [meteorite-list]bolide?
Thank you Rob, Jason, Frank, Marco and Mike for clarifying this mystery for me! ;-) I now know it was the Minotaur launch out of Vandenberg. It was spectacular either way! :-) Have a great weekend, Moni From: moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list]bolide? Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:48:04 -0700 Hi Everybody, I have a question about a bolide. How does a bolide look like when it is in the sky? Does it look like a cork screw? My friend Cuc (my meteorite search partner) and I just drove home from our evening walk and we spotted something in the sky towards the east that looked like a cork screw pattern in the sky. I have no idea what this could have been. Unless... Anyone? Sternengruss, Moni __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] wire saw
iam told an electric "wire saw" is the way to resaw my iron slice- does anybody in the states offer this service? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rover Update - September 22, 2005
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Approaching 'Erebus' - sol 586-591, Sept 22, 2005: Opportunity is healthy and continuing its drive toward Erebus Crater. Images taken this week show the interior of the crater. Plans for the next few sols are to get closer to the crater's edge and do extensive imaging. The team is also planning to use the tools on the robotic arm to examine a dark area of outcrop located on the way to the edge of the crater. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 586 (Sept. 16, 2005): Opportunity conducted remote sensing. Sol 587: More remote sensing. Sol 588: Drove about 20 meters (66 feet) at 208 degrees. Sol 589: Drove about 22 meters (72 feet). Sol 590: Drove 35 meters (115 feet). Sol 591 (Sept. 22, 2005): Drove about 17.5 meters (57 feet), turned for weekend work with robotic arm. As of sol 591, Opportunity has traveled 5,933.69 meters (3.69 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Images of last night's Minotaur launch
Hi All, Sent a message about the Minotaur launch to Meteorite Central last night, but as usual my posts from home never make it to the list. (And I've given up trying to figure out why -- it's not worth my time.) Anyway, here's a link to some images of the launch taken by a colleague: http://www.fototime.com/inv/D7BF2FB00D2A7A6 --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw
http://www.mac-tec.de/english/product/used/funken/haupt_funken_erosion.htm wire erosion http://www.emachineshop.com/machines-kerf/wire-edm.htm http://www.charmillesus.com/products/whatsedm/whatedm.cfm search in googles for EDM machines (types with wire) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] - Original Message - From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw does anybody have GOOD pix of one of these in action??!! i don't know whether or not i am DUMBfounded or STUPified by the whole concept- i wanna see/ know how these things work! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Nelson Oakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:24:13 -0400 Harlan, Try Alan Lang. He can cut just about anything. Bob Haag just bought a wire saw I'm told. Also Jeff Cintron(sp?) of Island meteorites cuts irons! Thanks Nels - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] wire saw iam told an electric wire saw is the way to resaw my iron slice- does anybody in the states offer this service? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw
thanks1 i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire sawDate: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:51:19 +0200http://www.mac-tec.de/english/product/used/funken/haupt_funken_erosion.htmwire erosionhttp://www.emachineshop.com/machines-kerf/wire-edm.htmhttp://www.charmillesus.com/products/whatsedm/whatedm.cfmsearch in googles for EDM machines (types with wire)-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]- Original Message -From: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:19 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw does anybody have GOOD pix of one of these in action??!! i don't knowwhether or not i am DUMBfounded or STUPified by the whole concept- i wannasee/ know how these things work! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs ofstorage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: "Nelson Oakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:24:13 -0400Harlan, Try Alan Lang. He can cut just about anything. Bob Haag justbought a wire saw I'm told. Also Jeff Cintron(sp?) of Island meteorites cutsirons! Thanks Nels - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] wire sawiam told an electric "wire saw" is the way to resaw my iron slice-does anybody in the states offer this service? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megsof storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ADD - ebay auctions ending today
Dear fellows meteorite collectors, I won't write a fully detailed list of the meteorites that I have for sale on ebay and ENDING IN ABOUT TWO HOURS... You can follow the link http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmeteoriteshowQQhtZ-1 and you will see all of them, including one of the last opportunities to get an outstanding EL5 : ADRAR BOUS... I won't tell you more, better have a look! Thanks and have all a wonderful week-end. Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw
found one locally- thanks! http://www.atlantaedm.com i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire sawDate: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:33:57 + thanks1 i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: "Meteoryt.net" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire sawDate: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:51:19 +0200http://www.mac-tec.de/english/product/used/funken/haupt_funken_erosion.htmwire erosionhttp://www.emachineshop.com/machines-kerf/wire-edm.htmhttp://www.charmillesus.com/products/whatsedm/whatedm.cfmsearch in googles for EDM machines (types with wire)-[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]-http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]- Original Message -From: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:19 PMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw does anybody have GOOD pix of one of these in action??!! i don't knowwhether or not i am DUMBfounded or STUPified by the whole concept- i wannasee/ know how these things work! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs ofstorage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: "Nelson Oakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "harlan trammell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:24:13 -0400Harlan, Try Alan Lang. He can cut just about anything. Bob Haag justbought a wire saw I'm told. Also Jeff Cintron(sp?) of Island meteorites cutsirons! Thanks Nels - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] wire sawiam told an electric "wire saw" is the way to resaw my iron slice-does anybody in the states offer this service? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megsof storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nature Quest International
Dear List, I received numerous emails pointing out that Nature Quest International is using some descriptions from The Hupe Collection. They have permission to use the descriptions since we supplied them with most of the meteoritic material they will market and they asked in writing. They state this at the bottom of the descriptions. I am working very closely with this well-backed new company and have taken a temporary position with the company because I believe they will do an excellent job and have the resources to do so. Nature Quest International will be offering several types of natural history items, not just meteorites. They are in the very long process of cataloging an extensive array of currently warehoused products and decided to start out with meteorites since some of them have already been inventoried and described. They will start out with mainly small but really nice items to get the ratings necessary to move up to Pro Store status. A well-known, respected in the meteorite community and very professional website developer has been chosen to develop a web presence but this will take some time, as well. Here is a link to to Nature Quests International's inaugural ebay auctions for those who are curious: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnature-quest-internationalQQhtZ-1 Some of the employees are currently training in subjects ranging from Accounting to Geology so that they can better serve their customer base. I believe they will add needed professionalism to the diverse product range they decide to market. It is my belief that they will add great benefit to the community they serve otherwise I would not be onboard. Two well-known and respected scientists have accepted positions on the board of directors demonstrating the belief that Nature Quest International will be a long term success. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nature Quest International
Adam since you have taken a temporary position with Nature Quest International, I'm sure the list members would be interested in hearing who the ex-CEO of a very successful corporation is that is on the Board of Directors (see link below)? Which corporation was that? And who is the current CEO of Nature Quest International, and in which state and Country is 'Nature Quest International' incorporated? I'm sure the list members would appreciate knowing with whom they are dealing before putting down their hard earned money. http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=nature-quest-international Thanks! -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I received numerous emails pointing out that Nature Quest International is using some descriptions from The Hupe Collection. They have permission to use the descriptions since we supplied them with most of the meteoritic material they will market and they asked in writing. They state this at the bottom of the descriptions. I am working very closely with this well-backed new company and have taken a temporary position with the company because I believe they will do an excellent job and have the resources to do so. Nature Quest International will be offering several types of natural history items, not just meteorites. They are in the very long process of cataloging an extensive array of currently warehoused products and decided to start out with meteorites since some of them have already been inventoried and described. They will start out with mainly small but really nice items to get the ratings necessary to move up to Pro Store status. A well-known, respected in the meteorite community and very professional website developer has been chosen to develop a web presence but this will take some time, as well. Here is a link to to Nature Quests International's inaugural ebay auctions for those who are curious: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnature-quest-internationalQQhtZ-1 Some of the employees are currently training in subjects ranging from Accounting to Geology so that they can better serve their customer base. I believe they will add needed professionalism to the diverse product range they decide to market. It is my belief that they will add great benefit to the community they serve otherwise I would not be onboard. Two well-known and respected scientists have accepted positions on the board of directors demonstrating the belief that Nature Quest International will be a long term success. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nature Quest International
Dear John and List, Fair enough, I will answer a few of your questions and then I have to step out for about an hour. I am the ex-CEO of Computer Performance Incorporated that the about me page refers to. It was a very successful Dunn and Bradstreet listed corporation before it merged with a bigger concern. Computer Performance Inc. played no small part in developing the infrastructure we are all now dependent on to access the internet. A short resume of each board member will be posted on the website as soon as it is developed enough to be operational. We want to introduce everybody properly in way of a press release. If you are asking if I am the CEO of this new concern the answer is no. I have accepted a one year position in marketing. Nature Quest International is based out of Tacoma Washington but will have remote field offices elsewhere. I am sure as the necessary time passes, everybody who deals with Nature Quest International will become increasingly impressed with their professionalism and commitment to excellence. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Arizona Skies Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nature Quest International Adam since you have taken a temporary position with Nature Quest International, I'm sure the list members would be interested in hearing who the ex-CEO of a very successful corporation is that is on the Board of Directors (see link below)? Which corporation was that? And who is the current CEO of Nature Quest International, and in which state and Country is 'Nature Quest International' incorporated? I'm sure the list members would appreciate knowing with whom they are dealing before putting down their hard earned money. http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=nature-quest-international Thanks! -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, I received numerous emails pointing out that Nature Quest International is using some descriptions from The Hupe Collection. They have permission to use the descriptions since we supplied them with most of the meteoritic material they will market and they asked in writing. They state this at the bottom of the descriptions. I am working very closely with this well-backed new company and have taken a temporary position with the company because I believe they will do an excellent job and have the resources to do so. Nature Quest International will be offering several types of natural history items, not just meteorites. They are in the very long process of cataloging an extensive array of currently warehoused products and decided to start out with meteorites since some of them have already been inventoried and described. They will start out with mainly small but really nice items to get the ratings necessary to move up to Pro Store status. A well-known, respected in the meteorite community and very professional website developer has been chosen to develop a web presence but this will take some time, as well. Here is a link to to Nature Quests International's inaugural ebay auctions for those who are curious: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnature-quest-internationalQQhtZ-1 Some of the employees are currently training in subjects ranging from Accounting to Geology so that they can better serve their customer base. I believe they will add needed professionalism to the diverse product range they decide to market. It is my belief that they will add great benefit to the community they serve otherwise I would not be onboard. Two well-known and respected scientists have accepted positions on the board of directors demonstrating the belief that Nature Quest International will be a long term success. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Arizona Skies Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils Offer Support for Meteor'sRoleinDinosaur Extinc...
Hola Mark, List, Nice link of carbonized petrified wood from Ecuador, thank you...however, it appears to me that the carbonized adjective in that particular URL refers to trees that were dried under a bed of fine warm volcanic ash, according to those authors, where some of the mineralization occuring in the petrification process forming stable carbon minerials derived from the original organic carbon in the organic matter. It doesn't sound like they are claiming that the fine detail also shows evidence that the fossils were burned, in your use of charred and carbonized. On the contrary the authors seem to be agreeing with the point I made: That the temperature couldn't have been too hot - or the detail would have been lost - they quote 150 C as the maximum. Wood doesn't burn at that temperature. To try to bridge our gap, I'll agree that you could probably come up with several examples of petrified wood where arguments have been made alleging charring of the burnt variety. There are a couple of orders of magnitude more of biomass of plant material than animal, though. The examples you will probably dig up are from lava flows where several meters of inorganic volcanic ash buries anerobically in near laboratory produced conditions, a perfect insulating, thick disinfected layer of ash from which leaching of volcanic minerials into the integral organic structures can grow minerals in the orientations we can recognize as a fossil, long after the original mold has vanished. If we can agree that these events are specialized cases, and that the supposed KT impact was of quite a different variety scrambling all kinds of unsterilized, non-uniform, matter, much like a variable garbage heap, we now have a different situation where I don't believe anyone has actually show that burnt fossils - if that sort of original burnt product even existed - can actually form under these circumstances. My motivation to respond was that you are shooting down marine organisms as indicators of global and regional climate change by refusing to consider its implications on the fauna of the region. In fact, it is the best we have. I'll gladly give to you that it isn't proof, and that certain researchers in their enthusiasm think they can explain the entire world with a hammer, or whatever tool they have become proficient and familiar using. But chronostratigraphy is a very serious and developed science which provides indicators that a comprehensive extinction theory must be consistent explaining as one of the first things it does - if great changes are noticed. You might attribute it to abrupt changes in nutrient availability - well, perhaps, but the Forams are rather widespread across the world and when correlations indicating water temperature are very consistent with many diverse theories, I must admit I get amazed at the power of this sort climatic analysis. On the other hand, you set the bar quite high, perhaps in joking, it is not clear to me...You would demand a paleontologist show you burnt dinosaur bones to back up his babblings derived from Forams before you would take him seriously. I disagree. Perhaps I am a bit ignorant on this, but I am having great difficulty imagining how dino bones would get nicely burnt and then petrified with the upheaval of tsunamis, rocks and bb's, from the sky, storms, winds, maybe fires, etc... It just sounds like a huge mess to me. I picked a tree as it would be the easiest in my opinion to conserve charring marks if anything could. I try to imagine how the bland tissue of a dinosaur could be surgically removed and then bone charred, and that conserved in this scenario by fossilization (especially considering the possible invasion of corrosive salt water). When we barbeque an animal, do we get burnt bones out of it? With all that mean around it? Now given the 65,000,000 years that have elapsed, the relative uncommoness of macro-fossilization when not ocurring under perfect conditions, when sediments move, etc., the relative infrequent finds of dino bones, I think you are asking for a standard of proof that is too tall an order, though it would be great if it could turn up. That may be what is being hunted in the article on Cuba - which perhaps is the right distance from the alleged KT crater, to get a partial burning...not to close, not too far... Where I am going with all this is, while I don't disagree with your arguments against the chronostratigraphists, any other proof so far from the boundary event(s) is equally or more likely more inconclusive than the ideas gleaned from analysis of the Foramifera and the implications of global climate change that they indicate. 65,000,000 years ago, with modern science everything seems a our fingertips. That feeling quickly vanishes when one goes out into the field, the rubber (shoes) meet the
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw
you cant use an edm machine as far as i know to cut an iron - at least not one that big.. you would need to use a diamond wire saw i owuld thin - an edm is an abaltive proces where a pulse of electricity from a sacrificial wire literaly blasts away bits of material - while they can make fine patterns in thin metal that cant cut through signifigant thicknesses From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:46:22 + found one locally- thanks! http://www.atlantaedm.com i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 18:33:57 + thanks1 i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 19:51:19 +0200 http://www.mac-tec.de/english/product/used/funken/haupt_funken_erosion.htm wire erosion http://www.emachineshop.com/machines-kerf/wire-edm.htm http://www.charmillesus.com/products/whatsedm/whatedm.cfm search in googles for EDM machines (types with wire) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] - Original Message - From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw does anybody have GOOD pix of one of these in action??!! i don't know whether or not i am DUMBfounded or STUPified by the whole concept- i wanna see/ know how these things work! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Nelson Oakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:24:13 -0400 Harlan, Try Alan Lang. He can cut just about anything. Bob Haag just bought a wire saw I'm told. Also Jeff Cintron(sp?) of Island meteorites cuts irons! Thanks Nels - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] wire saw iam told an electric wire saw is the way to resaw my iron slice- does anybody in the states offer this service? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Earthites
List, Which would be the most likely event that potentially could have created an Earthite meteorite? What age would it be? And of what earth rock material and how could it be determined (other than fusion crust)? Would they not be more valuable than Lunites? Thanks for any comments. Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw
very interesting- would like to see the actual cutting head on one of the machines. Here is photos of one of the most first slices from my Dronino. This ataxite is really bad one. Many inclusions make cutting longer, but only in one place (~40 slices was cut) wire cant go through - 1mm grain of something stop it. Here is slices after cutting and before polishing on automatic magnetic polisher. www.meteoryt.net/ebay/edm1.jpg www.meteoryt.net/ebay/edm2.jpg www.meteoryt.net/ebay/edm3.jpg and after polishing www.meteoryt.net/ebay/edm4.jpg www.meteoryt.net/ebay/edm5.jpg -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw
you cant use an edm machine as far as i know to cut an iron - at least not one that big.. you would need to use a diamond wire saw i owuld thin - an edm is an abaltive proces where a pulse of electricity from a sacrificial wire literaly blasts away bits of material - while they can make fine patterns in thin metal that cant cut through signifigant thicknesses Hi Stan Cutting big surfaces in something like Dronino is a bad idea. But cutting for example clean and compact Munionalusta is just better. My biggest meteorite was 9x9cm full slices from Morasko with weathered weins inside what make cutting longer. One slice was cut in 6 hours. This was pain, but from the other side I get perfect flat slices with minimal cut loses. From the other hand... This size of slices I should cut using min. 1mm thin diamond blade. This will take min 6 hours also and produce bad surface where I need to grind another 1mm to make slices flat. So I use only one method for cutting irons - EDM :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Earthites
Hi, Ken, List, I've posted on Earthites or terrestrial meteorites a couple of times before; they're somewhere in the archives... Howver. Likely event? More energetic than the impacts that launched the Martian meteorites off Mars, since our atmosphere is thicker, hence harder to get back out through. Likelihood of Earthites? Fairly good, as roughly 50% of the material blasted OFF a planet will likely return to the same planet, according to simulations, as opposed to the 1% to 5% that makes it to another planet. This actually makes it a puzzle as to why there are no examples of an Earthite. Transit times are longish. 10,000 years would be a quick trip. Allow at least 100,000 years to a million years for most, and times up to 10,000,000 years are possible. Many Martians have space exposures of 13,000,000 years... As to what Earthly material it would be, that would depend entirely on the nature of the terrestrial surface that was impacted. And, presumably, tektites are Earthites, but with a short space duration as no CRE exposure can be found in them. I am compelled to opine that Earthites may have been found and discarded as pseudometeorites down through the decades. This is the most likely fate for an Earthite: the trash can. The best case of proof would be a fossiliferous limstone with a fusion crust and a solid long time CRE date; that would be hard to disprove. Then, there's BLECKENSTAD (Sweden, 1925) for which just such an excellent case exists, except that there will be no radiometric dating as the stone was lost long ago (apparently; it couldn't be found in the 1950's). Bleckenstad has impeccable eye-winess reports full of accurate details about meteorite falls that no Swedish peasant farmer would be likely to possess (the whirring noise of a soft-landing meteorite), the fact that the region contains NO native limestones whatsoever, good black fusion crust, and several capable scientists who risked their careers writing about it. It got thrown away anyway... Ninninger found a limestone meteorite while searching for Pasamonte; nobody knows what happened to it. He thought it was a meteorite (fusion crust, thumbprints, and fossils!). There are two West Virginia stones put forward as Earthites. They were never examined on the basis that the whole idea was ridiculous. Their whereabouts are unknown now. See a pattern here? Sterling K. Webb - drtanuki wrote: List, Which would be the most likely event that potentially could have created an Earthite meteorite? What age would it be? And of what earth rock material and how could it be determined (other than fusion crust)? Would they not be more valuable than Lunites? Thanks for any comments. Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils Offer Support for Meteor'sRoleinDinosaurExtinc...
Hi Doug I did set the bar high, because some of the researchers actually believe the event was so powerful, the ozone layer itself would have been blasted away 1000 times over (their own words when challenged on the subject. Without ozone at all, there would be very little life period being totally unprotected from radiation which got past the magnetic field around earth. Having said that, I did say that a study of forams associated with a marine reptile would give very good evidence and possibly supply leads that people are (non-paleontologists) scrambling to find to back up their own work in physics and such about the K-T event. But, to date, they have not and they assume, that their calculations prove all and are supported by forams, when in fact, their calculations would have wiped the earth clean of forams and most other life that didn't require sunlight to live. Thats the arguement in a nutshell. Good talk were having here, should we take it off list though? Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils Offer Support for Meteor'sRoleinDinosaurExtinc... Hola Mark, List, Nice link of carbonized petrified wood from Ecuador, thank you...however, it appears to me that the carbonized adjective in that particular URL refers to trees that were dried under a bed of fine warm volcanic ash, according to those authors, where some of the mineralization occuring in the petrification process forming stable carbon minerials derived from the original organic carbon in the organic matter. It doesn't sound like they are claiming that the fine detail also shows evidence that the fossils were burned, in your use of charred and carbonized. On the contrary the authors seem to be agreeing with the point I made: That the temperature couldn't have been too hot - or the detail would have been lost - they quote 150 C as the maximum. Wood doesn't burn at that temperature. To try to bridge our gap, I'll agree that you could probably come up with several examples of petrified wood where arguments have been made alleging charring of the burnt variety. There are a couple of orders of magnitude more of biomass of plant material than animal, though. The examples you will probably dig up are from lava flows where several meters of inorganic volcanic ash buries anerobically in near laboratory produced conditions, a perfect insulating, thick disinfected layer of ash from which leaching of volcanic minerials into the integral organic structures can grow minerals in the orientations we can recognize as a fossil, long after the original mold has vanished. If we can agree that these events are specialized cases, and that the supposed KT impact was of quite a different variety scrambling all kinds of unsterilized, non-uniform, matter, much like a variable garbage heap, we now have a different situation where I don't believe anyone has actually show that burnt fossils - if that sort of original burnt product even existed - can actually form under these circumstances. My motivation to respond was that you are shooting down marine organisms as indicators of global and regional climate change by refusing to consider its implications on the fauna of the region. In fact, it is the best we have. I'll gladly give to you that it isn't proof, and that certain researchers in their enthusiasm think they can explain the entire world with a hammer, or whatever tool they have become proficient and familiar using. But chronostratigraphy is a very serious and developed science which provides indicators that a comprehensive extinction theory must be consistent explaining as one of the first things it does - if great changes are noticed. You might attribute it to abrupt changes in nutrient availability - well, perhaps, but the Forams are rather widespread across the world and when correlations indicating water temperature are very consistent with many diverse theories, I must admit I get amazed at the power of this sort climatic analysis. On the other hand, you set the bar quite high, perhaps in joking, it is not clear to me...You would demand a paleontologist show you burnt dinosaur bones to back up his babblings derived from Forams before you would take him seriously. I disagree. Perhaps I am a bit ignorant on this, but I am having great difficulty imagining how dino bones would get nicely burnt and then petrified with the upheaval of tsunamis, rocks and bb's, from the sky, storms, winds, maybe fires, etc... It just sounds like a huge mess to me. I picked a tree as it would be the easiest in my opinion to conserve charring marks if anything could. I try to imagine how the bland tissue of a dinosaur could be surgically removed and then bone charred, and that conserved in this scenario by
[meteorite-list] Thailand micro-tektites and carbonized wood published in paper but found not factual
Dear List, This is slightly related to your carbonized wood. Several years ago did a websearch for micro-tektites in Thailand. I found a paper claiming that the researcher had found them along with carbonized wood at a site near Khorat, Thailand. I contacted the researcher because I am researching tektites in Thailand and wanted more information about his find. He explained to me that what he had published later turned out to be incorrect and that he had not actually found micro-tektites. About 2 years ago I visited the site myself to investigate. I wanted to check for myself. I also found no micro-tektites in the level that he had reported and his carbonized wood was not due to combustion, but due to anerobic decay of the wood. If anyone wants photos of the site I can send them off list. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doug I did set the bar high, because some of the researchers actually believe the event was so powerful, the ozone layer itself would have been blasted away 1000 times over (their own words when challenged on the subject. Without ozone at all, there would be very little life period being totally unprotected from radiation which got past the magnetic field around earth. Having said that, I did say that a study of forams associated with a marine reptile would give very good evidence and possibly supply leads that people are (non-paleontologists) scrambling to find to back up their own work in physics and such about the K-T event. But, to date, they have not and they assume, that their calculations prove all and are supported by forams, when in fact, their calculations would have wiped the earth clean of forams and most other life that didn't require sunlight to live. Thats the arguement in a nutshell. Good talk were having here, should we take it off list though? Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fossils Offer Support for Meteor'sRoleinDinosaurExtinc... Hola Mark, List, Nice link of carbonized petrified wood from Ecuador, thank you...however, it appears to me that the carbonized adjective in that particular URL refers to trees that were dried under a bed of fine warm volcanic ash, according to those authors, where some of the mineralization occuring in the petrification process forming stable carbon minerials derived from the original organic carbon in the organic matter. It doesn't sound like they are claiming that the fine detail also shows evidence that the fossils were burned, in your use of charred and carbonized. On the contrary the authors seem to be agreeing with the point I made: That the temperature couldn't have been too hot - or the detail would have been lost - they quote 150 C as the maximum. Wood doesn't burn at that temperature. To try to bridge our gap, I'll agree that you could probably come up with several examples of petrified wood where arguments have been made alleging charring of the burnt variety. There are a couple of orders of magnitude more of biomass of plant material than animal, though. The examples you will probably dig up are from lava flows where several meters of inorganic volcanic ash buries anerobically in near laboratory produced conditions, a perfect insulating, thick disinfected layer of ash from which leaching of volcanic minerials into the integral organic structures can grow minerals in the orientations we can recognize as a fossil, long after the original mold has vanished. If we can agree that these events are specialized cases, and that the supposed KT impact was of quite a different variety scrambling all kinds of unsterilized, non-uniform, matter, much like a variable garbage heap, we now have a different situation where I don't believe anyone has actually show that burnt fossils - if that sort of original burnt product even existed - can actually form under these circumstances. My motivation to respond was that you are shooting down marine organisms as indicators of global and regional climate change by refusing to consider its implications on the fauna of the region. In fact, it is the best we have. I'll gladly give to you that it isn't proof, and that certain researchers in their enthusiasm think they can explain the entire world with a hammer, or whatever tool they have become proficient and familiar using. But chronostratigraphy is a very serious and developed science which provides indicators that a comprehensive extinction theory must be consistent explaining as one of the first things it does - if great changes are noticed. You might attribute it to abrupt changes in
Re: [meteorite-list] Earthites
Hi, Some scientists are aware of the possibilities and the problems. See (from 1994): http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/programs/desertswa.txt and scroll down to: Wright, I. P.; Grady, M. M.; Pillinger, C. T. The Acquisition of Martian Sedimentary Rocks: For the Time Being, Collection as Meteorites from Terrestrial Desert Areas Represents the Best Hope where they discuss amathosites and calcarites the old terms for limestone meteorites. They are primarily interested in MARTIAN limestones, though. They agree that most linmestone meteorites would be thrown away by museum curators... Interestingly, they dismiss terrestrial meteorites as having no scientific value and of being academic curiosity value only, a rather strange attitude, it seems to me. Hot for Mars, I guess. They cite, on the subject of Earth return, a paper by Melosh, H.J. and Tonks, W.B. (1993), in Meteoritics, 28, 398, but don't quote a title (?). See also simulations by Bret Gladman and his colleagues (got to Google; I don't have the reference handy). As to whether an extraterrestrial meteorite could contain fossils, well, that is just what the argument about the famous Alan Hills Antarctic meteorite is all about! But if I saw fossils in a meteorite, I'd think Earthite! And, recently, a suggestion has been made that the Moon should be a rich source of early Earth rocks older than the oldest recoverable Earth rocks: http://technology.guardian.co.uk/online/science/story/0,12450,870850,00.html and http://www.arn.org/docs/gonzalez/gg_sfchronicle042202.htm For terrestrial meteorites on other planets, see: http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2002/April/Stuarts_Slices.htm For a lot of historical references, mostly to the question of fossils or organic materials in meteorites, see: http://web.mit.edu/afs/athena.mit.edu/user/r/e/redingtn/www/netadv/bioast/clash/pre1950.html The possibility of certain Earthly bacteria being descended from Martian bacteria is discussed in: http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:GuHqHEfOYlkJ:biospace.nw.ru/astrobiology/Articles2002/Astrobio_pavlov_25-34.pdf+terrestrial+meteoriteshl=en And so on... Sterling K. Webb - drtanuki wrote: List, Which would be the most likely event that potentially could have created an Earthite meteorite? What age would it be? And of what earth rock material and how could it be determined (other than fusion crust)? Would they not be more valuable than Lunites? Thanks for any comments. Dirk Ross..Tokyo __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE : [meteorite-list] wire saw
Wire saw is ok over $100/g, approx. I cut material for this kind of very valuabale meteorites. Best offer ? 2 cents, as usual.. Michel FRANCO -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Meteoryt.net Envoyé : vendredi 23 septembre 2005 19:51 À : harlan trammell Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw http://www.mac-tec.de/english/product/used/funken/haupt_funken _erosion.htm wire erosion http://www.emachineshop.com/machines-kerf/wire-edm.htm http://www.charmillesus.com/products/whatsedm/whatedm.cfm search in googles for EDM machines (types with wire) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] - Original Message - From: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw does anybody have GOOD pix of one of these in action??!! i don't know whether or not i am DUMBfounded or STUPified by the whole concept- i wanna see/ know how these things work! i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- From: Nelson Oakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 12:24:13 -0400 Harlan, Try Alan Lang. He can cut just about anything. Bob Haag just bought a wire saw I'm told. Also Jeff Cintron(sp?) of Island meteorites cuts irons! Thanks Nels - Original Message - From: harlan trammell To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] wire saw iam told an electric wire saw is the way to resaw my iron slice- does anybody in the states offer this service? i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Capot Rey...good pics for comparison
Hi Dirk and all here pic without melt www.austromet.com/CollnPics/Capot_Rey_17.6g.jpg here pic with melt www.austromet.com/CollnPics/Capot_Rey_13.6g.jpg the H5 part is the same. best regards, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Kuyken Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 3:57 AM To: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 Hi Martin, I can certainly see what you are saying but that was not really my point. My point is that it is not up to us to 'make-up' classifications without the proper science being done. Admittedly, I've only seen a few photos of the Caopt Rey pieces and in my opinion the one that was just posted by Cartsen is certainly a highly shocked piece but it's not an IMB. I think if you compare them to meteorites like Cat Mountain or Mike Farmer's NWA 2085 you will see what I mean. That said, it is certainly a gorgeous meteorite which I wouldn't mind having a piece myself! ;-) Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann To: Jeff Kuyken ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 Hi Jeff, as far as I understand the term IMB does not name a completely and uniformly molten rock. Else, I would have have problems to understand the B, if there aren't any fragments of the precessor material to be found in the melt (and I think, we easily will sled into the PAC corner). Different classification of the same find as IMB or H5 f.i. are easily explainable. Take for instance Dho 010, there you have broad streams of melt flowing around chondritic fragments in different stages of melting, some even unaltered, therefore one can determinate the type (have to look Dho 010 if I remember right is H6). And furthermore take our good old Gao! There you have stones, which are simply more or less normal chondrites, other stones show large melt pockets and again others are more or less totally molten and have to be regarded, if one doesn't know about the other average Gao specimens, with no doubt as IMBs. Take a look on David Weir's page, there you have such an example. Thus with Gao we have the whole spectra - H5, H5 with melt, IMB. It's always the same, it depends what for a stone the classificators get, what for sections they do have. Remember the NWA 1109, they caught parts with slightly below 10% Dio, thus it's an EUC-P, another cut, another stone from the same find with 10%, voila they had to call it a How. Take also good old Zag. There exist pieces with only a single lithology, if those would have been handed in for typing, Zag wouldn't have bin classified as regolith breccia. Take the NWA-Rumurutis, some are nice brecciae, result - obviously paired ones (lalalaa I know, I'm not a scientist, but if it's looking the same in every detail and the stuff is so rare) got different classifications. Some R4s are paired with R3-6... Ooops, all I'm writing here, is about the optical, physical appearance of the stones, not chemically. Now, I would guess, with Capot Rey, they took either a piece without melt (if exists) or determinated the type from a not molten fragment in the melt. But look at the phantastic pieces of Carsten, those dark fat rivers of melt around the grey round jigsaw pieces. Hence if Dho 010, who looks the same, but is only much more weathered, was called a IMB, I dare to say in my Lieschen-Mueller-opinion (Lieschen Mueller is the German sister of John Doe), Capot Rey is an IMB too. Of course again we would need a concretion of terms from a qualified mouth. With type-7 vs. PAC vs. IMB we learned, that it has to do with the isotopes and in general nobody is sure about the criteria, now we have IMB vs. MR (melt rock) vs H or L with IMB vs H or L with visible huge parts of melt, but not assigned, or we have to resign ourself to being more types of rock out there in space as we have terms for them :-) Buckleboo! Martin - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 23, 2005 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Capot Rey...photos please of the H5 I would be a bit cautious about calling something an IMB unless it has been formally classified as such. My understanding is that this meteorite was classified as H5 but after further cutting later was found to be highly shocked. Let's not forget that IMB is basically a scientific term referring to the fact that the pressure reached about 75-90 GPa and is rated as S6+. It's original shock rating was only S2. A new piece should probably be submitted for re-classification so a proper determination can be made. Cheers, Jeff - Original
