Re: [meteorite-list] Rust needed :)
Wow Marcin, do you have a date? A girl who likes dirt I imagine you hanging your Droninos in the kitchen over the hob, when you're preparing the food for a candle light dinner and grinding down the coating from Brahin for a later sauna round...strange, but romantic! I keep my fingers crossed, Buckleboo - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rust needed :) Hello I have verry strange request. I need RUST ! No, Im not drunk :-) We have here nice girl (student, Member of Polish Met.Soc.) who study rust on meteorites and they phases. Becouse girls are rare specimens in out community I want to ask You for help with her work. She need all kinds of rust and weathered parts from iron meteorites. Not matter how ugly it is or how many grams. She will be happy from all samples. We just suply her with many samples from Morasko, Campo, Nantan etc. But if anyone have some ugly rust, please dont throw it away, send it to me via cheapest possible mail. Thanks to all for help. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Sunday auctions ending soon!
Hello List, it's sunday and some of our auctions are ending. This weekend have a etched Brahin, Seymchan, Franconia, nice unclassified stuff, Dhofars (whole pieces), our new beautiful Rumuruti (NWA 2943), L3.3, Capot Rey IMB and H5... Worth a look! http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZgipometeorites Thanks for viewing! Carsten www.gi-po.de __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote Question
Jeff N. wrote: Now I've come across something really interesting: it appears to be a normal shrapnel fragment, weight 266.4 grams, except it has a very distinct impact pit and splash rim. It seems to me that an impact pit could only have been formed during flight, meaning some 'pure' shrapnel pieces must therefore have been created by mid-air fragmentation, not explosive fragmentation upon impact. Hello Jeff N., Jeff K. and List, Buchwald about this surface morphologic feature: BUCHWALD V.F. (1975) Iron Meteorites (Univ. of California, 1975, Vol.3, pp. 1123-1130): Solitary, round-floored circular depressions 1-8 mm in diameter and ringed by high-relief rims occur on fusion-crusted individuals and on at least one shrapnel fragment. We interpret these features as impact craters resulting from high-velocity collisions between meteoritic particles during the * l a t e s t s t a g e s * of atmospheric flight. Although crater-like bubbles might develop within a fusion crust, during skin heating by atmospheric friction, craters emplaced on fusion-free shrapnel fragments had to have formed later, after atmospheric penetration had already violently disrupted a larger body. Local conditions during the Sikhote-Alin event included thousands of Fe projectiles infalling into an environment already populated with high-speed Fe and rock ejecta fragments from craters still being formed on the ground. Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
G'day list, my feelings on unclassified NWA's. This repsents the ultimate rape of science. What can be told about an unclassified NWA. In short, nothing, apart from, I think it is a meteorite and I think it came from somewhere in Nth West Africa. You wouldn't know if it was part of a large or small fall, since no details on it's find location are noted. You wouldn't know if you had a highly altered chondrite or an achondrite. The nation where the item was found has also lost part of its own national treasure as an undocumented theft. Meteorites provide an insight to the wonders of our universe, and all information should be documented. These items are generally sliced up and sold before they are ever ( and in most cases never studuied ) studied by anyone anywhere. Think of all the lost knowledge humanity as a whole is suffering because of this. Think of all of the thousands of kilos of stones that may unlock some secret of the universe or our solar systems formation, that will never ever come to light because they sit on a shelf at a collectors home, never to be studied. Shame world, shame. Should a NWA be studied and found to be an insight to something, can we go and get more of it. NO, we have no idea of where it came from or how much of it made land fall. For example., What is the Lat. and Lon. the specimen was found at? Unknown. What is the country of origin? Unknown. Who found it? Unknown. When was it found? Unknown. What was the total mass of the fall? Unkown. What is the area of material distribution? (Fall ellipse). Unknown. I collect the occasional unclassified NWA with the intention of forwarding them to the correct places and people to study, they may take as much of the specimen as they deem neccesary. It is akin to an archealogical site being robbed of its items with no regard to the location, depth, age, pieces that go with this or that, and just sold to the first bod that comes along, Here ya are mate, some ancient treasure. I currently have several kilos. Not an awful lot. I'd buy all of them if I had enough folding stuff, but I'd rather get some nice studied material, read about it all and ponder the sample in front of me, and learn to identify the various specifics as studied. The individual nomads that collect these stones in the desert are only thinking of themselves. How much food they can get with the money, or weapons they might buy. They are not interested in science or their countries national treasures or heritage. What can you tell me about an unclassified NWA? Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:03:31 -0800 (PST), Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will some of you share your thoughts on why unclassified meteorite sales are discouraged? I haven't really heard of the sales being discouraged. All I know of is a very few dealers spreading sour grapes about what the NWA rush has done to their high prices. (The market is in ruin and NWAs support terrorists being two claims that come to mind). I have collected meteorites for about 10 years now and have purchased some unclassified NWA meteorites from sellers on eBay. The 500 to 1000 gram meteorites are selling at attractive prices. Is the practice of It looks like uncut unclassifed NWAs in non-reserve auctions are tending to go for less than 5 cents per gram now. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
Dude you need to wake up to the reality of Northwest Africa. There are not enough labs on earth to classify every stone found. Just look at the backlog of Antartic meteorites. It took nearly 10 years to discover that ALH84001 was Martain. Mark From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:35:16 +1100 G'day list, my feelings on unclassified NWA's. This repsents the ultimate rape of science. What can be told about an unclassified NWA. In short, nothing, apart from, I think it is a meteorite and I think it came from somewhere in Nth West Africa. You wouldn't know if it was part of a large or small fall, since no details on it's find location are noted. You wouldn't know if you had a highly altered chondrite or an achondrite. The nation where the item was found has also lost part of its own national treasure as an undocumented theft. Meteorites provide an insight to the wonders of our universe, and all information should be documented. These items are generally sliced up and sold before they are ever ( and in most cases never studuied ) studied by anyone anywhere. Think of all the lost knowledge humanity as a whole is suffering because of this. Think of all of the thousands of kilos of stones that may unlock some secret of the universe or our solar systems formation, that will never ever come to light because they sit on a shelf at a collectors home, never to be studied. Shame world, shame. Should a NWA be studied and found to be an insight to something, can we go and get more of it. NO, we have no idea of where it came from or how much of it made land fall. For example., What is the Lat. and Lon. the specimen was found at? Unknown. What is the country of origin? Unknown. Who found it? Unknown. When was it found? Unknown. What was the total mass of the fall? Unkown. What is the area of material distribution? (Fall ellipse). Unknown. I collect the occasional unclassified NWA with the intention of forwarding them to the correct places and people to study, they may take as much of the specimen as they deem neccesary. It is akin to an archealogical site being robbed of its items with no regard to the location, depth, age, pieces that go with this or that, and just sold to the first bod that comes along, Here ya are mate, some ancient treasure. I currently have several kilos. Not an awful lot. I'd buy all of them if I had enough folding stuff, but I'd rather get some nice studied material, read about it all and ponder the sample in front of me, and learn to identify the various specifics as studied. The individual nomads that collect these stones in the desert are only thinking of themselves. How much food they can get with the money, or weapons they might buy. They are not interested in science or their countries national treasures or heritage. What can you tell me about an unclassified NWA? Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:03:31 -0800 (PST), Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will some of you share your thoughts on why unclassified meteorite sales are discouraged? I haven't really heard of the sales being discouraged. All I know of is a very few dealers spreading sour grapes about what the NWA rush has done to their high prices. (The market is in ruin and NWAs support terrorists being two claims that come to mind). I have collected meteorites for about 10 years now and have purchased some unclassified NWA meteorites from sellers on eBay. The 500 to 1000 gram meteorites are selling at attractive prices. Is the practice of It looks like uncut unclassifed NWAs in non-reserve auctions are tending to go for less than 5 cents per gram now. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: AD! Auctions Ending and New Items Added to my Store! (700 + items)
- Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 7:45 AM Subject: Fw: AD! Auctions Ending and New Items Added to my Store! (700 + items) Hello Folks, It has been a while since I have posted a sale! Maybe nearly 4 months? Anyway, I have jumped back in the saddle and I have listed Over 700 items in my Ebay Store! Go to: http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History Also, I have Auctions Ending! Go to: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQsascsZ1QQsassZmeteoriteQ2dcollec tor Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
Here in Italy the laboratory where I give my meteorites to analyzed control all pieces Matteo --- Mark Rexburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Dude you need to wake up to the reality of Northwest Africa. There are not enough labs on earth to classify every stone found. Just look at the backlog of Antartic meteorites. It took nearly 10 years to discover that ALH84001 was Martain. Mark From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:35:16 +1100 G'day list, my feelings on unclassified NWA's. This repsents the ultimate rape of science. What can be told about an unclassified NWA. In short, nothing, apart from, I think it is a meteorite and I think it came from somewhere in Nth West Africa. You wouldn't know if it was part of a large or small fall, since no details on it's find location are noted. You wouldn't know if you had a highly altered chondrite or an achondrite. The nation where the item was found has also lost part of its own national treasure as an undocumented theft. Meteorites provide an insight to the wonders of our universe, and all information should be documented. These items are generally sliced up and sold before they are ever ( and in most cases never studuied ) studied by anyone anywhere. Think of all the lost knowledge humanity as a whole is suffering because of this. Think of all of the thousands of kilos of stones that may unlock some secret of the universe or our solar systems formation, that will never ever come to light because they sit on a shelf at a collectors home, never to be studied. Shame world, shame. Should a NWA be studied and found to be an insight to something, can we go and get more of it. NO, we have no idea of where it came from or how much of it made land fall. For example., What is the Lat. and Lon. the specimen was found at? Unknown. What is the country of origin? Unknown. Who found it? Unknown. When was it found? Unknown. What was the total mass of the fall? Unkown. What is the area of material distribution? (Fall ellipse). Unknown. I collect the occasional unclassified NWA with the intention of forwarding them to the correct places and people to study, they may take as much of the specimen as they deem neccesary. It is akin to an archealogical site being robbed of its items with no regard to the location, depth, age, pieces that go with this or that, and just sold to the first bod that comes along, Here ya are mate, some ancient treasure. I currently have several kilos. Not an awful lot. I'd buy all of them if I had enough folding stuff, but I'd rather get some nice studied material, read about it all and ponder the sample in front of me, and learn to identify the various specifics as studied. The individual nomads that collect these stones in the desert are only thinking of themselves. How much food they can get with the money, or weapons they might buy. They are not interested in science or their countries national treasures or heritage. What can you tell me about an unclassified NWA? Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:03:31 -0800 (PST), Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will some of you share your thoughts on why unclassified meteorite sales are discouraged? I haven't really heard of the sales being discouraged. All I know of is a very few dealers spreading sour grapes about what the NWA rush has done to their high prices. (The market is in ruin and NWAs support terrorists being two claims that come to mind). I have collected meteorites for about 10 years now and have purchased some unclassified NWA meteorites from sellers on eBay. The 500 to 1000 gram meteorites are selling at attractive prices. Is the practice of It looks like uncut unclassifed NWAs in non-reserve auctions are tending to go for less than 5 cents per gram now. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site:
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
Kevin, I am sorry, but that is one of the most incorrect statements I have seen in a long time. True, it is difficult that the total known weights and find locations are not known, but it is what it is. These poor people have finally found a way to make a living from the harsh sands of the Sahara and science has a way to get more meteorites in bulk to study. Here is why NWA is good for science. Thousands of meteorites are being recovered, some of them the rarest types known. They are being saved (finally) from being sandblasted to nothing in the sand. The poor people there are making money for food. The finds are advancing science. Mars and Lunar meteorites have been found there in concentrations unlike anywhere else on the planet. While chondrites are being traded often without study, the rare stuff is ALWAYS being studied, and accordingly, pieces deposited with scientific laboratory collections. Where they fell or what country does not change the data in the meteorite, last time I checked, a Martian that landed in USA or in Morocco does not change the composition of the meteorite or the data that scientists are interested in. I just returned from NWA with MULTIPLE PLANETARY SPECIMENS. They are already in the lab at UofA and NAU, and since I bought them, they are rescued from the desert and rotting away and are now in the hands of competent scientists to further our knowledge of the Moon and Mars. So I need to sell some to pay for the thousands of $$$ every trips costs, that is the way of the world, without sales, no trips, without trips, no meteorites. I have been to Morocco 35 or so times now, I have never seen a scientist or university over there looking for meteorites. It is up to me and people like me to provide specimens for science. Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 8:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales G'day list, my feelings on unclassified NWA's. This repsents the ultimate rape of science. What can be told about an unclassified NWA. In short, nothing, apart from, I think it is a meteorite and I think it came from somewhere in Nth West Africa. You wouldn't know if it was part of a large or small fall, since no details on it's find location are noted. You wouldn't know if you had a highly altered chondrite or an achondrite. The nation where the item was found has also lost part of its own national treasure as an undocumented theft. Meteorites provide an insight to the wonders of our universe, and all information should be documented. These items are generally sliced up and sold before they are ever ( and in most cases never studuied ) studied by anyone anywhere. Think of all the lost knowledge humanity as a whole is suffering because of this. Think of all of the thousands of kilos of stones that may unlock some secret of the universe or our solar systems formation, that will never ever come to light because they sit on a shelf at a collectors home, never to be studied. Shame world, shame. Should a NWA be studied and found to be an insight to something, can we go and get more of it. NO, we have no idea of where it came from or how much of it made land fall. For example., What is the Lat. and Lon. the specimen was found at? Unknown. What is the country of origin? Unknown. Who found it? Unknown. When was it found? Unknown. What was the total mass of the fall? Unkown. What is the area of material distribution? (Fall ellipse). Unknown. I collect the occasional unclassified NWA with the intention of forwarding them to the correct places and people to study, they may take as much of the specimen as they deem neccesary. It is akin to an archealogical site being robbed of its items with no regard to the location, depth, age, pieces that go with this or that, and just sold to the first bod that comes along, Here ya are mate, some ancient treasure. I currently have several kilos. Not an awful lot. I'd buy all of them if I had enough folding stuff, but I'd rather get some nice studied material, read about it all and ponder the sample in front of me, and learn to identify the various specifics as studied. The individual nomads that collect these stones in the desert are only thinking of themselves. How much food they can get with the money, or weapons they might buy. They are not interested in science or their countries national treasures or heritage. What can you tell me about an unclassified NWA? Cheers, Kevin, VK3UKF. On Sat, 5 Nov 2005 22:03:31 -0800 (PST), Pat Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will some of you share your thoughts on why unclassified meteorite sales are discouraged? I haven't really heard of the sales being discouraged. All I know of is a very few dealers spreading sour grapes about what the NWA rush has done to their high prices. (The market is in
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
On Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:35:16 +1100, Kevin Forbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wouldn't know if it was part of a large or small fall, since no details on it's find location are noted. You wouldn't know if you had a highly altered chondrite or an achondrite. snip Should a NWA be studied and found to be an insight to something, can we go and get more of it. NO, we have no idea of where it came from or how much of it made land fall. For example., What is the Lat. and Lon. the specimen was found at? Unknown. What is the country of origin? Unknown. Who found it? Unknown. When was it found? Unknown. What was the total mass of the fall? Unkown. What is the area of material distribution? (Fall ellipse). Unknown. snip It is akin to an archealogical site being robbed of its items with no regard to the location, depth, age, pieces that go with this or that, and just sold to the first bod that comes along, Here ya are mate, some ancient treasure. I tend to disagree with most of your points here. With fossils and human artifacts, the context and stratigraphy and associated artifacts are highly important to understanding the fossil or artifact. But with a meteorite, where it landed and when it was found and who found it and the size of the original chunk are very superficial matters. It would be interesting to be able to determine the orbit of the original fragment, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) to deduct orbits from the shape/directon of strewn feilds, don't you need to know WHEN it hit? Wouldn't you need to know what time of day, and what day of the year before you could use that strewn feild data to get the orbit? The one main use I would see out of mapping out the strewn feild would be to have kept all of the NWA numbers straight instead of giving several different numbers to pieces from the same fall, but that situation isn't in any way different than the situation with each individual meteorite collected from the stranded surfaces in Antarctica having to be given an individual number because all of the possible pairing/strewn feild data has also been lost on those. As for needing to go back and get more of the material, it is amazing what amount of study can be done with current insturments with TINY amounts of material. I'm sure more can be learned from one gram now than could be learned from 100 grams a generation ago. And just because a NWA hasn't been classified, doesn't mean that it never will. When it comes down to it, I'd think that a meteorite is like a fossil or human artifact in that while it is better that it be collected and documented by a professional in the subject than an amature, it is better that it be collected by an amature than be left to be destroyed by the elements, never to be collected at all. Because I don't think that there would ever have been the type of large scale, expensive formal scientific team scouring of the deserts that would have recovered anything close to the number of meteorites that have been recovered by natives and collectors. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
You can't determine anything about orbits from strewn fields, even knowing the date and time of the fall. Except in rare cases (such as Sikhote-Alin) where the body retains cosmic velocity to, or nearly to, the ground, the direction of strewn fields are determined solely by aerodynamics- mostly by the atmospheric wind profile. A meteoroid entering from east to west can easily produce a strewn field extending from west to east (or north to south, or any other orientation). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales I tend to disagree with most of your points here. With fossils and human artifacts, the context and stratigraphy and associated artifacts are highly important to understanding the fossil or artifact. But with a meteorite, where it landed and when it was found and who found it and the size of the original chunk are very superficial matters. It would be interesting to be able to determine the orbit of the original fragment, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) to deduct orbits from the shape/directon of strewn feilds, don't you need to know WHEN it hit? Wouldn't you need to know what time of day, and what day of the year before you could use that strewn feild data to get the orbit? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
That is correct, we only have the orbits for a few meteorite falls, and they must be filmed and photographed to obtain orbit. Mike - Original Message - From: Chris Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales You can't determine anything about orbits from strewn fields, even knowing the date and time of the fall. Except in rare cases (such as Sikhote-Alin) where the body retains cosmic velocity to, or nearly to, the ground, the direction of strewn fields are determined solely by aerodynamics- mostly by the atmospheric wind profile. A meteoroid entering from east to west can easily produce a strewn field extending from west to east (or north to south, or any other orientation). Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 9:10 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales I tend to disagree with most of your points here. With fossils and human artifacts, the context and stratigraphy and associated artifacts are highly important to understanding the fossil or artifact. But with a meteorite, where it landed and when it was found and who found it and the size of the original chunk are very superficial matters. It would be interesting to be able to determine the orbit of the original fragment, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) to deduct orbits from the shape/directon of strewn feilds, don't you need to know WHEN it hit? Wouldn't you need to know what time of day, and what day of the year before you could use that strewn feild data to get the orbit? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Sikhote Question, Impact Pits, Oriented Campo
Hi Geoff, Matt and other participants in this thread... Geoff, you mentioned that you have seen a few Sikhote-alin that exhibit the characteristics of a regmaglyped individual as well as shrapnel. Here is an example of one of my favorite pieces that I acquired years ago. It is an oriented individual with a bottom that looks exactly like shrapnel. http://209.238.151.128/sa526.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Notkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:12 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Sikhote Question, Impact Pits, Oriented Campo Dear Jim, Matt, and Listees: Jim, I enjoyed your good photo of that very unusual Sikhote, thanks, and was interested in Matt's explanation. Nice coincidence, as when you posted that I was about to photograph an usual Sikhote-Alin of my own. When I started collecting Sikhotes seven or eight years ago, I was under the impression that all individuals had come through the atmosphere on their own, and all shrapnel pieces were the result of explosive fragmentation around the craters (this view supported, I believe, by the fact that only shrapnel is found in the craters?). Over time, I've seen a few pieces that exhibit characteristics of both individuals *and* shrapnel, and I'm sure some of you have too. An example would be, say, a ~1kg otherwise completely regmaglypted individual that has one sheared, shrapnel-like face. I expect this is the result of a larger individual fragmenting in the air shortly before impact. Now I've come across something really interesting: it appears to be a normal shrapnel fragment, weight 266.4 grams, except it has a very distinct impact pit and splash rim. It seems to me that an impact pit could only have been formed during flight, meaning some pure shrapnel pieces must therefore have been created by mid-air fragmentation, not explosive fragmentation upon impact. Could such fragmentation be the result of mid-air collisions, or breaking up along planes as a result of atmospheric pressure? Have a look: http://www.aerolite.org/gallery/sikhote-alin-266-4.htm Of course, this is probably all explained in Krinov's lovely little book about Sikhote-Alin, but my Russian isn't up to it I'm afraid : ) Any comments, theories, or explanations welcomed. And for those of you who -- like me -- dig impact pits, I have a lovely little Sikhote with TWO impact pits closing on Ebay tomorrow, and a gorgeous oriented regmaglypted Campo closing tonight in an hour. It's at 12 cents per gram now! A real bargain for someone. Here they are: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25QQsassZpsiloceras Best to all from Tucson, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
If it was such a loss to science that unclassified NWA:s were traded, don't you think some scientist would apply for a grant to buy it in bulk from the Moroccans? I haven't heard about any expedition to Morocco by NASA scientists so I guess this isn't a big problem. The only data lost is pairing and location. Any interesting stone that is cut will probably get into the hands of scientists. Personally I would be glad to leave type samples of every unclassified NWA in my possession for classification. Anyone interested? /Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Sikhote Question, Impact Pits, Oriented Campo
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here. If the original Sikhote body floated around the solar system for 100 million years, it would have in its original surface, a record of solar activity in the way of solar wind particles. Let's say for arguments sake, 100 particles (or tracks) per mm2 of surface area exposed to raw space. If the impact occured 10 million years ago, and solar activity has remained fairly constant, (someone else can figure out how many super novae or solar anaomalies may screw up the results) then, would it not be reasonable to assume that the impact pit contain 10 solar wind particles per mm2 ?? If the impact pits were caused during detonation in Earths atmosphere, there should be no solar wind particles or tracks. Any tests been done on this path? Any ideas? Kevin, VK3UKF. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
Hi Patrick, Darren, Kevin... I neither would say, that in past it happened, that collectors were discouraged by anyone to purchase unclassified stones or classified NWAs, it was rather about to tell, that most collectors (and dealers) hold them not exactely the same dear as classical finds or even falls and to avoid wrong expectations (as Darren expressed in his posting) and views. The issues you mentioned partially lead to the general discussion about desert finds, including classified stones. * False claims of authenticity For unclassified stuff a minor problem, as a stone offered as unclassified ranges on the scale of commercial value on the very bottom. It would make hence no big sense for an offerer to state, that a stone without find data, that he purchased in Tucson, was purchased in Erfould, nor could he claim a chondrite to be a more valuable achondrite, as it's not classified and it would be harmful to his reputation, which for his business is of crucial importance, as the so called market is an incredibly small petri dish. That a layman offers a terrestial stone as a meteorite happens regularly, but not widely, and the offered objects (each week in US-ebay) are easily recognizable as meteorwrongs (if the photo is vague, the price expectation and the circumstance, that it was self-found will help). Intentional frauds e.g. by this florida-coaster or with that Mars stuff, where Senor Divelbiss rescued the not yet so experienced collectors with his great idea to set up an auction with a collection of similar pseudos, are scarce and perhaps in future a field of IMCA-activity, also if non-members are involved. Another problem may be, that Moroccans, not so specialized in meteorites, give wrong guesses about stones, they are selling on fairs, as they were told, that a stone would be of that type. But this is known and no risk, no fun. A slightly more urgent problem could be, that persons give wrong find data/stories with their stones to upgrade them, transplanting a cheap desert stone into a more pleasent area of the globe or making already classified stones anonymous again, because that very stone was crancked up so excessively through the mincer called ebay, that the prices there went absurd low (to illustrate, remember Kainsaz going there at 2.5$/g, while each weathered desert CO3 was selling there at 8-15$/g - hence a certain temptation...). But those problems are not inherent in the stones, it's albout honesty of the people. Finally remains the dilemma for offerors, whether to classify already known NWA-material again. We had this issue in extenso on the list. If someone buys from the same source the same material, from which anotherone took and had it got classified, what to do? One knows it's the same, but isn't allowed if one isn't a graduate petrologist to assign it to the already known number. To get it classified is expensive and costs time, as the capacities of the labs couldn't keep pace with the enormous flood of desert finds. The number and pairing mess would be enlarged, stats about the percentage of the different types distorted, giving a totally wrong impression to the collectors, that the real rare stuff is available ad libidum, so that the miss the best chances or paying to much, as they aren't aware, how many known pairings do exist, and finally wasting valuable lab time with redundant analyses. Perhaps another remark, meanwhile the market is so hummm strange, that often on ebay unclassified and classified stones are paid with quite the same money. Obviously we have some structural problems. * Attempts to skirt laws governing ownership But who knows the actual laws of each individual country? All we get to know about actual laws, except Canada and Australia, are rumors and speculations! And I really doubt, that there do exist in most of those countries, which do not have territories in the most productive find areas, laws concerning especially meteorites at all. We don't have to forget, that on the one hand a meteorite has no practical monetary value at all. Unlike lprecious stones, gold, rough materials, ores, porc bellies it consists mainly of components , which you find in your garden or in the curb stone in front of your door. In fact almost nobody in that countries had an idea, what meteorites are and that there are a handful wackos, who are dealing with them. - Captain Blood, tell what you want, there ain't no market. Year's ago, in the late eighties, I guess, I read an estimation, that there should exist 5000-6000 meteorite collectors worldwide. This figure is hawked again and again since, but even in our days it is ways to optimistic. Here in Germany, and if I check all national ebays, I guess, that here is sitting the second largest collectors local community, there are roughly 100, maximum 200 persons (o.k. in past Zeitschel's girls weren't as attractive as Haag's...), who you can call serious collectors. Marcin, how many do we have in Poland? And Francesco in
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales
Good point, I have no idea, what the gram-price for an Antarctic meteorite would be, but to me it seems, that the ANSMET searches are a little bit more sumptuous, than to have travelled to Morocco to buy ALL stuff in bulk. The original strewnfield information is lost also with the Antarctic stuff, as it was transported by the movement of the ice. Cheers! Martin - Original Message - From: Göran Axelsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 5:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Questions regarding Unclassified meteorite sales If it was such a loss to science that unclassified NWA:s were traded, don't you think some scientist would apply for a grant to buy it in bulk from the Moroccans? I haven't heard about any expedition to Morocco by NASA scientists so I guess this isn't a big problem. The only data lost is pairing and location. Any interesting stone that is cut will probably get into the hands of scientists. Personally I would be glad to leave type samples of every unclassified NWA in my possession for classification. Anyone interested? /Göran __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mystery Meteorite Fall
In my research of rare Texas history books, I've found references on 2 meteorite falls that are pre- Nininger and are NOT in the Catalogue. The first I'm still research with the help of the County Historical society. The second I need some help on. I've found a reference to a fall in 1884 at mid-day where there is a witness who heard a Sonic Boom and other witnesses who said : it made a noise like twenty freight trains and was so bright it 'dimmed the sunlight'. That sounds authentic and corresponds with meteorite fall acustical phenomena. The other half the story is the author (dead) saw in a museum in 1924 the alledged meteorite and described it as: a large black stone about waist high and several feet across shaped like a dougnut without the hole. It was labeled 'the Lubbock Meteor' Again, the believability factor is there. The size sounds a bit exagerated, however the account was written 60 years after he saw it. The name Lubbock refers to Lubbock Texas, alledged impact zone which does not seem likely. But *sigh*, I'll have to research that. Question for the list - Does anybody have a guess that this could be an existing listed fall? If so, which fall? ps. I'll have a website up about my expedition to Tanzania this week. And yes, I missed the shooting in Zanzibar by 6 days. Meteorites and mahem, what an exciting combination. McCartneyTaylor, IMCA 2760 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: new website
Hello List! This is an advertisement for those who collect or have an interest not only in meteorites themselves but in meteorite related rocks and minerals too. I just opened a new website: Impactites and Rare Minerals: http://sv-meteorites.jodoshared.com/ASPNET/default.aspx That's just a beginning (there is no good design or more functions I want to put in) and actually there are no Impactites in there yet (I'm waiting for the details of their locations) but three interesting items already are in: Not to use my poor English for the mineral explanation I'm copying a links to the better source ;-) --- Rare minerals: Lonsdaleite: http://www.mindat.org/min-2431.html Mascelynite: http://www.mindat.org/min-7765.html --- Fulgurites: http://www.mindat.org/min-7747.html Actually not connected to the meteorite events but really nice glass from a new location (not even listed at the link above and probably never will be because of just one small place suddenly founded). This glass was formed when lightning hits the basaltic rocks. Nice glass! Thanks for your time! Sergey Sergey Vasiliev U Dalnice 839 Prague 5, 15500 Czech Republic http://www.sv-meteorites.com http://sv-meteorites.jodoshared.com/ASPNET/default.aspx Protected by Polesoft Lockspam http://www.polesoft.com/refer.html -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.8/162 - Release Date: 11/5/2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Astronauts want asteroid collision plan
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2005-11-06-asteroid-preparation_x.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for November is up!
Good evening everyone! MeteoriteTimes for November is not up. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ As always a big thank you to the writers!! Thank you, Paul and Jim __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MeteoriteTimes for November is up!
Sorry everyone it IS up. I rely on spell check tu munch... Paul Good evening everyone! MeteoriteTimes for November is not up. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/ As always a big thank you to the writers!! Thank you, Paul and Jim __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - November 4, 2005
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Imaging East Basin - sol 647-654, Nov 04, 2005: Sprit is healthy. The team operated in restricted sols from sol 647 to 654. (Restricted sols occur when the timing of the communications pass from the Odyssey orbiter is too late in the day to gather vital location and health information about the rover after it executed recent commands. The team back on Earth must wait until the next sol to find out where and how the rover is.) The team planned two long Moessbauer integrations and drove 34 meters (112 feet). On sols 653 and 654, the team planned targeted remote sensing of the East Basin. This is one of the last opportunities to image it before the basin is no longer in sight. Spirit also completed three overnight observations. The team returns to standard planning sols the week of Nov. 7, intending to continue driving downhill. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 647 (Oct. 28, 2005): Spirit performed a 22-hour reading with the Moessbauer spectrometer and made night sky observations. Sol 648: Spirit performed a 23-hour Moessbauer reading. Sol 649: Spirit drove 18 meters (59 feet). Sol 650: Spirit performed remote sensing and made night sky observations with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer. Sol 651: Spirit drove 16 meters (52 feet). Sol 652: Spirit performed untargeted remote sensing and made night sky observations. Sol 653: Spirit performed targeted remote sensing of the East Basin. Sol 654 (Nov. 4, 2005): Spirit performed targeted remote sensing. As of sol 654, Spirit has driven 5,143.63 meters (3.20 miles) OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Dusting Off and Getting Back to Work - sol 631-634, Nov 04, 2005: Having weathered a recent dust storm, Opportunity is back to business. Energy levels are on the rise as the rover prepares for its next investigative campaign. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 631 (Nov. 2, 2005): With images of the rover's current location in hand, rover planners were able to plan a drive of just over 39 meters (128 feet), which brought Opportunity to the edge of a large stretch of outcrop. Sol 632: Opportunity drove about 5 meters (16 feet) to a target called Olympia. Sols 633 and 634 (Nov. 4 and 5, 2005): The two-sol plan is to kick off the robotic arm campaign at Olympia. The plan includes grinding a target called Kalavrita with the rock abrasion tool, inspecting the target with the microscopic imager both before and after the grind, and using the panoramic camera to take images for a mosaic. Output from the solar panels on sol 633 was 528 watt hours. Opportunity's total odometry, as of sol 633, is 6418.07 meters (3.99 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Sikhote Question, Impact Pits, Oriented Campo
Actually, Geoff-- ALL parts start out as shrapnel shapes once disruption began: when deceleration stresses sheered the meteor body(s) apart from front to rear. We know from eye witnesses that there were several explosive disruptions(8+) and at each disruption there were more shrapnel surfaces exposed to ablation. The parts that we treasure are those that had enough velocity to go through ablation and regmglypthing, etc. I surmise that those sharing both characteristics of smoothies and shrapnel were those that ran out of speed towards the end of incandescent flight and ablation ceased to sculpt them. As to impact pits, these are a bit harder to explain. One thought is that the larger surfaces-- with more air resistance, were slowing faster than smaller bodies that entered the sheltered slip stream of the larger and caught up to them with still enough energy as a bullet. Even this theory likely doesn't account for all the physics. If someone knows the Rockwell grade of SA, given the diameter of the pit, one might be able to compute the relative size of the impactor plus energy involved gouging the pit. it might give insight in how the pits were formed. Regards, Elton Notkin wrote: When I started collecting Sikhotes seven or eight years ago, I was under the impression that all individuals had come through the atmosphere on their own, and all shrapnel pieces were the result of explosive fragmentation around the craters (this view supported, I believe, by the fact that only shrapnel is found in the craters?). Over time, I've seen a few pieces that exhibit characteristics of both individuals *and* shrapnel, and I'm sure some of you have too. An example would be, say, a ~1kg otherwise completely regmaglypted individual that has one sheared, shrapnel-like face. I expect this is the result of a larger individual fragmenting in the air shortly before impact. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: could be the best oriented Taza in existance!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6576744191 Take a look at the near one centimeter flow lines on this little bullet! I just got this piece in Morocco last week, and now someone can get it. This is the best Taza I have ever seen. It may be small, but it is truly fit for any museum in the world. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireballs Seen Over Germany (Link to Map)
http://members.home.nl/peter-knol/meteors/events/ Original Message [meteorite-list] Fireballs Seen Over Germany Ron Baalke baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Fri Nov 4 14:24:19 EST 2005 http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002603058_crater04.html Fireballs seen over Germany spark UFO speculation Dominican Today November 4, 2005 BERLIN. - Numerous sightings of massive fireballs in the skies over Germany this week have led to an upsurge in reports of UFOs, but scientists believe the cause could be a bizarre annual meteor blitz. According to the Web site of the U.S. National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), such fireballs have been reported elsewhere in the world and may also be due to the fact that the Earth is now orbiting through a swarm of space debris. Many people in Germany have noticed the fireballs, said Werner Walter, an amateur astronomer in Mannheim who runs a Web site on unexplained astronomical phenomena and a hotline for reports on unidentified flying objects (UFO). The last reported sighting was yesterday at 7:30 p.m. (1830 GMT) in a corridor near the border of the Netherlands, he told Reuters in a telephone interview. ++ -- Forward Message --- Bright Taurids (2) knoll at home.nl knoll at home.nl Sun Nov 6 08:51:00 EST 2005 Hello, I did record that fireball (1 November 05 - 22:27 UT) in a audio spectogram during my Radio Meteor observations. I have collected some messages related to that fireball on a webpage: http://members.home.nl/peter-knol/meteors/events/ An audio spectogram is also available on that webpage. If you know more messages related to that fireball, please let me know... Regards, Peter Knol - Appingedam - The Netherlands. http://members.home.nl/peter-knol/meteors (my radio meteor observation website) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hayabusa's Practice Descent (Rehearsal) on November 4th
http://www.isas.ac.jp/e/snews/2005/1104.shtml Hayabusa's Practice Descent (Rehearsal) on November 4th Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) November 4, 2005 Hayabusa currently hovering around a near Earth asteroid Itokawa commenced its descent at 19:17 GMT on November 3rd commanded from the ground, when the altitude to the surface was about 3.5 km. It took an aim at calibrating its proximity laser range finders, visibility calibration and image processing of a target marker as well as deploying a hopping robot MINERVA. Down to about 700 meters in attitude, both attitude and trajectory control had been performed via Hayabusa's proprietary autonomous guidance and navigation capability as planned. However, the onboard navigation computer detected anomalous information that did not satisfy the requirement, the abort command was transmitted from the ground at 03:30 GMT on November 4th. The subsequent events were all canceled and the spacecraft fired its chemical engines and started ascent. When the operation ended from JAXA's Usuda station, the radio communication to the spacecraft, the attitude control were all in order and the instruments aboard were all functioning normally. Despite the interruption, the project team thinks that it obtained very important information through this practice descent flight, and that this practice does make the strategy stiffer. The project intends to perform another practice descent again. As of today, the rehearsal schedule together with those for two touching-down and sampling have not been decided yet. What caused the interruption and how it is coped with are presently under investigation and the details will be released after it has been identified. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Richardton Meteorite
http://www.kfyrtv.com/showNews.asp?whatStory=4315 The Richardton Meteorite Cliff Naylor KFRY TV (Bismark, North Dakota) November 6, 2005 On the night of June 30th, 1918, farmers in western North Dakota saw a meteor, similar to this one that was video taped streaking through the sky over Peekskill, New York. The meteorite landed in this field and scattered debris for miles. Ed Murphy is the state geologist who is called upon to investigate all of North Dakota's meteorite sightings. He says this small specimen is a tiny part of the 200 pound meteor that caused people to panic. The meteorite broke apart in the sky and the noise was likened to an explosion. It rattled windows and some people jumped under their beds. he says. Murphy says the 200 pound space rock exploded into more than 150 pieces when it hit the earth. Specimens were picked up from an area that was nine miles long and fourteen miles wide. The largest specimen was eighteen pounds and the smaller ones are generally around a pound, egg sized, he explains. After the meteorite dust settled, farmers picked up the space rocks and sold them to collectors. Murphy says this is one or only two specimens that remain in North Dakota, the rest are on display in some pretty prestigious museums. Specimens from the Richardton Meteorite are housed in museums all across the country including the Smithsonian in Washington, D.C.; the Museum of Natural History in New York; and the British Museum in London. Today meteorites are sold on the internet for up to five-thousand dollars an ounce, more than ten times the price of gold. An appeal is currently being made by Murphy to try to persuade the Smithsonian to return the eighteen pound specimens it owns so they can be displayed where they landed. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: [Fwd: Re: Charity Meteorite Raffle for New Orleans]
While the List is quiet, I just wanted to take this opportunity to publicly thank Mike Gallant for his generosity in last months Charity Raffle. It was my good fortune to be the beneficiary of his generosity by having the winning ticket for the display cases he donated, (because I had lost my two display cases in a fire just the prior week). These new displays came in handy this weekend at the Paul Harris House Warming Party (see images below): http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/bobverish/miga-31.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/bobverish/miga-32.jpg Again, thank you Mike Gallant for your generosity. With best regards, Bob V. --- Mike Gallant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Bob, Your display is on the way, although it does not compare to the recent loss of your old display case. I've also included a couple of extra items that might be of help. Wishing you a speedy recovery, Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: AD: could be the best oriented Taza in existance!
Mike posted: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6576744191 Dear Mike and List: THAT is a truly amazing piece. What a great score Mike. Nice photos too : ) Well done, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
