date:20070108


http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html

SPIRIT UPDATE: Martian Weather Delays Travel Plans - sol 1063-1069,
January 05, 2007:

The dust storm season has apparently arrived at Gusev, causing delays in
Spirit's fourth Earth year of exploring the Red Planet. Spirit spent
most of the holiday season of 2006 and 2007 keeping an eye on the sky,
measuring atmospheric dust that could prevent sunlight from reaching the
rover's solar panels.

During the past week, atmospheric dust levels have been typical for this
time of year on Mars, measuring about 1 on the scale used by the rover.
The rover estimates dust levels by measuring opacity -- the degree to
which the atmosphere is impenetrable by light. This value is known as
tau and varies on a continuous scale from 0 on up. During most of
Spirit's mission on Mars, tau values have fallen between 0 and 1. Values
between 1 and 2 can greatly limit the activities the rover can perform.
Values of 2 or greater could be fatal.

In addition to measuring atmospheric dust, Spirit continued to watch for
dust devils and successfully retested step No. 3 of new computer smarts
that will enable the rover to autonomously place scientific instruments
of the rover's robotic arm onto a target of scientific interest. During
the test, Spirit was able to take images of the workspace, unstow the
arm, and plan a path of approach for reaching a target.

Next up for Spirit will be an attempt to approach and conduct scientific
analysis of a layered rock exposure known as Montalva, part of a
larger outcrop known as Troll.

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to daily observations that included measuring atmospheric
dust with the panoramic camera, searching for clouds with the navigation
camera, scanning the sky and ground with the miniature thermal emission
spectrometer, and imaging the sky with the panoramic camera, Spirit
completed the following activities.

Sol 1063 (Dec. 29, 2006): After completing a short drive the previous
day to a north-facing slope that tilted the rover's solar panels toward
the sun, Spirit monitored atmospheric dust, acquired panoramic camera
images of a place (called Desolacion) where the rover's tracks cross
each other, surveyed the Martian horizon with the panoramic camera, and
monitored dust accumulation on the rover mast.

Sol 1064: Spirit monitored atmospheric dust and surveyed the sky and
ground with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer.

Sol 1065: Spirit monitored atmospheric dust.

Sol 1066: Spirit monitored atmospheric dust.

Sol 1067: Spirit monitored atmospheric dust and searched for dust devils
by acquiring successive navigation camera images that could be made into
a movie.

Sol 1068 (Third Earth-year anniversary of Spirit's landing): Spirit
monitored atmospheric dust, surveyed surrounding rocks with the
panoramic camera, acquired full-color images of Desolacion with the
panoramic camera, and retested step No. 3 of the robotic arm autonomous
placement code.

Sol 1069 (Jan. 5, 2006): Plans called for Spirit to approach Montalva,
acquire full-color panoramic camera images of a spongy-looking lava rock
known as Esperanza, and acquire panoramic camera images of Montalva
and another layered rock exposure known as Riquelme.

Odometry:

As of sol 1062 (Dec. 28, 2006), Spirit's total odometry was 6,891.34
meters (4.28 miles)



OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Studies Unusual Rocks on Rim of
'Victoria Crater' - sol 1043-1048, January 05, 2007:

Opportunity continued scientific studies of a rock called Santa
Catarina on the rim of Victoria Crater. Scientists suspect that Santa
Catarina may be a meteorite or a rock blasted out from beneath the
surface of Victoria. Opportunity collected extensive measurements to
determine the iron content of the rock using the Moessbauer spectrometer
and will continue to do so during the coming week.

Other activities included analysis of cobbles nearby that may be similar
to Santa Catarina. Based on the results, members of the science team
will either decide to stay and continue investigating the rocks or drive
toward the next promontory of Victoria Crater.

Opportunity also conducted tests in support of the Phoenix mission to
Mars scheduled for launch later this year. On the rover's 1,037th and
1,047th Martian days, or sols, of exploration (Dec. 24, 2006 and Jan. 3,
2007), Opportunity sent UHF-band transmissions to NASA's Odyssey
spacecraft as it passed overhead. These communications mimicked those to
be used by Phoenix.

During a routine imaging session on New Year's Day (sol 1045),
Opportunity detected a stall in the grind motor of the rock abrasion
tool. Subsequent diagnostic tests found no obstructions. More
diagnostics were planned for sol 1049 (Jan. 5, 2007).

Sol-by-sol summary:

In addition to daily observations that included measuring atmospheric
dust with the panoramic camera, searching for clouds with the navigation
camera, surveying

[meteorite-list] Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars


http://www.ccnmag.com/news.php?id=4702

Viking Mission Results Indicates Presence of Life on Mars
CCNews
January 7, 2007

We may already have met Martian organisms, according to a paper
presented Sunday (Jan. 7) at the meeting of the American Astronomical
Society in Seattle.

Dirk Schulze-Makuch of Washington State University and Joop Houtkooper
of Justus-Liebig-University, Giessen, Germany, argue that even as new
missions to Mars seek evidence that the planet might once have supported
life, we already have data showing that life exists there now - data from
experiments done by the Viking Mars landers in the late 1970s.

I think the Viking results have been a little bit neglected in the last
10 years or more, said Schulze-Makuch. But actually, we got a lot of
data there. He said recent findings about Earth organisms that live in
extreme environments and improvements in our understanding of conditions
on Mars give astrobiologists new ways of looking at the 30-year-old data.

The researchers hypothesize that Mars is home to microbe-like organisms
that use a mixture of water and hydrogen peroxide as their internal
fluid. Such a mixture would provide at least three clear benefits to
organisms in the cold, dry Martian environment, said Schulze-Makuch. Its
freezing point is as low as -56.5 degrees C (depending on the 
concentration of H2O2); below that temperature it becomes firm but 
does not form cell-destroying crystals, as water ice does; and H2O2 is 
hygroscopic, which means it attracts water vapor from the atmosphere - 
a valuable trait on a planet where liquid water is rare.

Schulze-Makuch said that despite hydrogen peroxide's reputation as a
powerful disinfectant, the fluid is also compatible with biological
processes if it is accompanied by stabilizing compounds that protect
cells from its harmful effects. It performs useful functions inside
cells of many terrestrial organisms, including mammals. Some soil
microbes tolerate high levels of H2O2 in their surroundings, and the
species Acetobacter peroxidans uses hydrogen peroxide in its metabolism.

Possibly the most vivid use of hydrogen peroxide by an Earth organism is
performed by the bombardier beetle (Brachinus), which produces a
solution of 25 percent hydrogen peroxide in water as a defensive spray.
The noxious liquid shoots from a special chamber at the beetle's rear
end when the beetle is threatened.

He said scientists working on the Viking projects weren't looking for
organisms that rely on hydrogen peroxide, because at the time nobody was
aware that such organisms could exist. The study of extremophiles,
organisms that thrive in conditions of extreme temperatures or chemical
environments, has just taken off since the 90s, well after the Viking
experiments were conducted.

The researchers argue that hydrogen peroxide-containing organisms could
have produced almost all of the results observed in the Viking experiments.

o Hydrogen peroxide is a powerful oxidant. When released from dying
cells, it would sharply lower the amount of organic material in their
surroundings. This would help explain why Viking's gas
chromatograph-mass spectrometer detected no organic compounds on the
surface of Mars. This result has also been questioned recently by Rafael
Navarro-Gonzalez of the University of Mexico, who reported that similar
instruments and methodology are unable to detect organic compounds in
places on Earth, such as Antarctic dry valleys, where we know soil
microorganisms exist. 

o The Labeled Release experiment, in which samples
of Martian soil (and putative soil organisms) were exposed to water and
a nutrient source including radiolabeled carbon, showed rapid production
of radiolabeled CO2 which then leveled off. Schulze-Makuch said the
initial increase could have been due to metabolism by hydrogen
peroxide-containing organisms, and the leveling off could have been due
to the organisms dying from exposure to the experimental conditions. He
said that point has been argued for years by Gilbert Levin, who was a
primary investigator on the original Viking team. The new hypothesis
explains why the experimental conditions would have been fatal: microbes
using a water-hydrogen peroxide mixture would either drown or burst
due to water absorption, if suddenly exposed to liquid water. 

o The possibility that the tests killed the organisms they were looking 
for is also consistent with the results of the Pyrolytic Release 
experiment, in which radiolabeled CO2 was converted to organic 
compounds by samples of Martian soil. Of the seven tests done, three 
showed significant production of organic substances and one showed much 
higher production.  The variation could simply be due to patchy 
distribution of microbes, said Schulze-Makuch. Perhaps most 
interesting was that the sample with the lowest production?lower 
even than the control - had been treated with liquid water.

The researchers acknowledge that their hypothesis requires further
exploration. We

Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - January 08, 2007

2007-01-08 Thread Fred Caillou Noir

That's anice one, Christian!
Congratulations!!!
Cheers,
Fred

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[meteorite-list] Evidence of Extrasolar Asteroid Belt


http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20070106/fob5.asp

Rocky Finding: Evidence of extrasolar asteroid belt
Ron Cowen
Science News
January 6, 2007

Astronomers report that they've obtained the best evidence yet for an
asteroid belt beyond the solar system. Such a belt would suggest that
the star Zeta Leporis, which lies just 70 light-years away, possesses
not only asteroids but rocky planets like Earth.

The new measurements pinpoint the location of a disk of warm dust that
surrounds Zeta Leporis. The dust lies about the same distance from the
star as the solar system's asteroid belt lies from the sun, Margaret M.
Moerchen and Charles M. Telesco of the University of Florida in
Gainesville and their colleagues report in an upcoming Astrophysical
Journal Letters.

Most previously observed disks have been cool and lie much farther from
their parent stars, in the region that corresponds in the solar system
to the locale of Pluto and the reservoir of comets known as the Kuiper
belt.

The close-in dust around Zeta Leporis probably arose when several
asteroids bumped into each other, grinding rock into a fine spray of
particles, or when a large asteroid, perhaps 100 kilometers in diameter,
suffered a cataclysmic wallop, Moerchen and Telesco say.

The [precise] measurement of the Zeta Leporis disk is a very exciting
result, says Charles Beichman of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in
Pasadena, Calif. We now have direct evidence for structures around
other stars that are directly analogous to the asteroid belt in our
solar system.

Zeta Leporis entered the limelight in the 1980s, when a satellite
revealed that the star and its surroundings emitted much more infrared
light than was expected from the star alone. That's a sign that dust
swaddles Zeta Leporis.

In 2001, Christine Chen and Michael Jura of the University of
California, Los Angeles observed the star with one of the telescopes at
the Keck Observatory on Hawaii's Mauna Kea. They found that the dust is
probably confined to a disk with a radius no larger than 6.1
astronomical units (AU) - slightly greater than Jupiter's distance from
the sun (SN: 6/16/01, p. 375:
http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20010616/fob8.asp).

In February 2005, the team led by Moerchen and Telesco viewed Zeta
Leporis with the Gemini South telescope atop Cerro Pachon in Chile.
Those observations for the first time enabled researchers to precisely
gauge the size of the dust disk.

The team finds that most of the dust is concentrated at a distance of 3
AU from Zeta Leporis. That's similar to the location of the solar
system's asteroid belt, which stretches between 2.1 and 3.3 AU from the
sun.

Because asteroids are leftovers from the planet-making process in the
solar system, the new study supports the thought that Earthlike planets
may exist outside the solar system, says Jura. Compared with our sun,
Zeta Leporis is a youngster, but it's still old enough to have formed
planets.

Moerchen's team is planning further observations to reveal the Zeta
Leporis disk's shape. If it's circular and uniform in density, the disk
probably formed by the slow grinding of asteroids over thousands of
years. A more distorted shape would suggest that the dust was generated
by a collision between two large chunks of rock only about 100 years
ago, Telesco says.

For years we've been studying Kuiper belt - like disks; now, we're
investigating the architecture of the inner asteroidal regions around
stars. This is kind of new territory, Telesco says.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

Hello Bernd, Gary, list

I completely agree with Bernd regarding the aesthetics of Forestburg (b).
I was lucky enough to acquire a 315 g complete slice in the old good times 
(1995) when such beauties were available here and there and their gram 
prices quite affordable. David New was, at that time, such a person, one of 
the most expertized meteorite dealers, a man full of knowledge, fairness, 
kindness and respect towards collectors. Bernd should not contradict me.
Regarding that slice of Forestburg (b), David told me one day something 
like Zelimir, if you are a true collector, you must take that one. It was 
not listed for sale but rather a specific offer from David for a 
beginner-collector and friend. And, believe me, he did not push the sale 
for some profit as David first wanted our satisfaction.
In this case, mine was reached beyond all my expectations and I agreed to 
get it without even having a preliminary idea of its aspect, except a short 
description, because I just trusted my friend.

I have no pictures on hand to show you but here is a summary of its 
characteristics.
It is a 150 x 70 mm full slice, 15 mm thick. Both sides are neatly polished 
and show a black pattern, full of metal (Fe-Ni) spots, grains and islets, 
along with some schreibersite patches. It nicely contrasts with the thick 
red-brown crust well visible all around and carrying a painted number M 
148.1b (Monnig collection at TCU).
I don't remember having noticed any greenish inclusion (as, e.g., in Belle 
Plaine or Lahoma, to cite 2 other meteorites that involve such 
inclusions ) but will check this later for sure.
Needless to say this slice remains as one of my collection master pieces.

The conclusion of this example is that sometimes one does not necessarily 
need some rare meteorite type to appreciate an odd pattern and that 
sometimes a simple L5 or H6 can offer some extraordinary fairy-like 
picture. I understand how Gary and Bernd did appreciate their acquisition 
of Forestburg (b).
The other, and perhaps even more rewarding conclusion is that you can 
sometimes get the best of the best by just trusting a genuine friend and 
his expertise, if you are lucky enough to know such a person. And I am sure 
such people are certainly still numerous around us, within our listthey 
should recognize themselves...

Best wishes,

Zelimir


A 21:46 07/01/2007 +, vous avez écrit :
Hello Gary and List,

  I just received and photographed this very nice slice of Forestburg (b)
  from the Hupe Collection...and this one is just beautiful  Shock stage
  S5, weathering grade W1; the chondrite is shock blackened and contains
  impact melt clasts.

If you want to take a look it is here:

http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html

Congratulations, Gary! Excellent choice!

Anyone who hasn't seen this beauty yet, should do so. Like Gary, I am one 
of the happy
owners of a beautiful Forestburg (b) slice. Forestburg (b) is much more 
handsome than
Forestburg (a). My Forestburg (a/b) slices are from M. Cottingham and when 
I first saw
Michael's Forestburg (b) pictures on EBay, I knew I had to own it. It 
still is one of my
all-time favorites with its grayish-black, fresh matrix, its abundant, 
evenly distributed
FeNi specks, and its grayish-white oval chondrules!

Although it is possible that the stone has been transported by water 
(rusty brown, weathered
fusion crust), it is so very fresh that it seems improbable that it was 
exposed to water for
a longer period of time.

Even though its Fa value of 25.8 puts it in the vicinity of the LL 
chondrites, its low-Ca
pyroxene composition (Fs21.6) is still within the range for L chondrites. 
What a meteorite!

Best wishes,

Bernd


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[meteorite-list] Another NJ Find/Fall?

2007-01-08 Thread Pete Pete


Greetings, all,

Something to make the NJ story a little more intriguing...note the reference 
to the two small green stones embedded...


Cheers,
Pete



http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070108/NEWS/701080417/1001

North Brunswick object may be alien intruder
Home News Tribune Online 01/8/07
By DAVID STEGON
STAFF WRITER
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
NORTH BRUNSWICK  Maybe Marvin the Martian dropped it off on a jaunt across 
the galaxy, or maybe it's just another ordinary rock, but a township couple 
believes the black, gray, gold and green baseball-sized stone that 
mysteriously appeared in their yard about a week ago may be from outer 
space.




Joe and Kathleen Marascio hope they are the latest area residents to get a 
visitor from outside the Earth's gravitational pull after a Freehold 
Township couple discovered the rock that crashed into the side of their home 
last week was a meteorite.


Let's not mischaracterize this, said Joe Marascio, who has lived in North 
Brunswick for 35 years. I know the chances that this came from outer space 
are slim, but all I know is that it looks like nothing I've ever seen on 
Earth.


Joe Marascio said his wife was outside with the couple's husky-mix dog, 
Bear, on Dec. 30. Kathleen Marascio was tying Bear to a tree the couple has 
in their yard when she heard a whoosh and thump to her right.


Thinking nothing of it, she continued to play with the dog. A few nights 
later, the couple was watching the local news when they heard the story from 
Freehold and Kathleen Marascio's memory was sparked.


She told me what happened the other day so we went into the yard and looked 
for the rock, Joe Marascio said. It was about half buried in the yard, but 
we pulled it out, and it looked like nothing we had ever seen.


The rock is roughly the size of a baseball and weighs about 2 1/2 pounds, 
Joe Marascio said. The object is mostly a light gray with slightly raised 
areas that are a dull polished black, he said. He said there are concave 
areas that appear yellow or gold and two smaller green stones embedded in 
the rest of the rock.


It's looks like a combination of many things, Kathleen Marascio said.

Joe Marascio called professor J.S. Delaney at the Rutgers Geological 
Services and asked about the rock.


He told me that over the past 25 years he gets a call or two a month from 
people thinking their rocks are from space, Marascio said. He said of all 
the rocks he's seen, only two have actually been, so we know the chances are 
slim.


That does not mean the couple has lost hope. Marascio said he will learn 
today if the rock is from outer space after a series of tests are done.


In the case of the Freehold Township object, Rutgers University geologists 
Delaney, Gail Ashley and Claire Condie and independent metallurgist Peter 
Elliott determined it was an iron meteorite because of its density, magnetic 
properties, markings and coloration, The Associated Press reported Friday.


Of course, rocks from outer space are nothing new.

Donna Foust, who lives in Coudersport, Pa., said she found two rocks from 
outer space in the early '60s as a child. She heard of the case in Freehold 
Township and wondered if the objects she found long ago were similar to the 
meteorite that tested positive last week.


When the rocks were originally tested, we were told that they contained 
only one element that is naturally found on Earth, Foust said, but we 
never knew what the rest of it was. I wonder if all these rocks came from 
the same place.


The Marascios wonder as well.

David Stegon:

(732) 565-7251;

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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price lists 
that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which happened in 
the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my old files to still 
find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a more complete collection 
of the lists, with David´s very unique description of his offered pieces, 
superb always being top choice! :-) Bernd, I know you have many, if not all 
of these in your archives, at least for as long as you collect meteorites... 
These lists, if they were scanned and somehow made available via the net, would 
be a great show example of how things were in the later second half of the last 
century - I would even call it sort of cultural heritage with respect to the 
meteorite business.

I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow disappeared 
from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times on a more private 
basis, and I hope he is still around at good health together with his wife 
Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him at his home in Anacortes, 
Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy! PS: btw he was the first one to 
offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider public, and I am proud that most of 
my 150+ specimens have gone through his hands.

Alex
Berlin/Germany
  
 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:41:13 +0100
Von: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

 Hello Bernd, Gary, list
 
 I completely agree with Bernd regarding the aesthetics of Forestburg (b).
 I was lucky enough to acquire a 315 g complete slice in the old good times
 (1995) when such beauties were available here and there and their gram 
 prices quite affordable. David New was, at that time, such a person, one
 of 
 the most expertized meteorite dealers, a man full of knowledge, fairness, 
 kindness and respect towards collectors. Bernd should not contradict me.
 Regarding that slice of Forestburg (b), David told me one day something 
 like Zelimir, if you are a true collector, you must take that one. It
 was 
 not listed for sale but rather a specific offer from David for a 
 beginner-collector and friend. And, believe me, he did not push the sale 
 for some profit as David first wanted our satisfaction.
 In this case, mine was reached beyond all my expectations and I agreed to 
 get it without even having a preliminary idea of its aspect, except a
 short 
 description, because I just trusted my friend.
 
 I have no pictures on hand to show you but here is a summary of its 
 characteristics.
 It is a 150 x 70 mm full slice, 15 mm thick. Both sides are neatly
 polished 
 and show a black pattern, full of metal (Fe-Ni) spots, grains and islets, 
 along with some schreibersite patches. It nicely contrasts with the thick 
 red-brown crust well visible all around and carrying a painted number M 
 148.1b (Monnig collection at TCU).
 I don't remember having noticed any greenish inclusion (as, e.g., in
 Belle 
 Plaine or Lahoma, to cite 2 other meteorites that involve such 
 inclusions ) but will check this later for sure.
 Needless to say this slice remains as one of my collection master pieces.
 
 The conclusion of this example is that sometimes one does not necessarily 
 need some rare meteorite type to appreciate an odd pattern and that 
 sometimes a simple L5 or H6 can offer some extraordinary fairy-like 
 picture. I understand how Gary and Bernd did appreciate their acquisition 
 of Forestburg (b).
 The other, and perhaps even more rewarding conclusion is that you can 
 sometimes get the best of the best by just trusting a genuine friend and
 his expertise, if you are lucky enough to know such a person. And I am
 sure 
 such people are certainly still numerous around us, within our
 listthey 
 should recognize themselves...
 
 Best wishes,
 
 Zelimir
 
 
 A 21:46 07/01/2007 +, vous avez écrit :
 Hello Gary and List,
 
   I just received and photographed this very nice slice of Forestburg
 (b)
   from the Hupe Collection...and this one is just beautiful  Shock stage
   S5, weathering grade W1; the chondrite is shock blackened and contains
   impact melt clasts.
 
 If you want to take a look it is here:
 
 http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html
 
 Congratulations, Gary! Excellent choice!
 
 Anyone who hasn't seen this beauty yet, should do so. Like Gary, I am one
 of the happy
 owners of a beautiful Forestburg (b) slice. Forestburg (b) is much more 
 handsome than
 Forestburg (a). My Forestburg (a/b) slices are from M. Cottingham and
 when 
 I first saw
 Michael's Forestburg (b) pictures on EBay, I knew I had to own it. It 
 still is one of my
 all-time favorites with its grayish-black, fresh matrix, its abundant, 
 evenly distributed
 FeNi specks, and its grayish-white oval chondrules!
 
 Although it is possible that the stone has been

[meteorite-list] More California Meteorite finds!!

2007-01-08 Thread Ruben Garcia

Hi all,
Just thought I'd post some finds I made this weekend
in California.

1st find of the day
http://www.mr-meteorite.com/morecaliforniafinds.htm
2nd find plus more pictures
http://www.mr-meteorite.com/morecaliforniafinds2.htm

Ruben Garcia

Ruben Garcia
Phoenix, Arizona
http://www.mr-meteorite.com

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[meteorite-list] D. New's old meteorite lists

Hi Alex, all,

Alex, it seems we were almost at the same place at the same time in the 
recent past when we both started collecting meteorites (I did in 1992 
thanks to David's wise advice, probably you earlier ?).
I visited him in Anacortes in 1992 and 1995, at least for meteorites (I did 
several other times for minerals, in Mukilteo, where David lived before 
moving a little bit Southwards to Anacortes, since...1980).
And yes: all my 100+ thin sections did come exclusively from David as well.

Your idea to try to find out and gather David's old lists describing 
meteorites and their prices is indeed brillant!
I certainly second it.
I am also ready to contribute but am affraid having only a few of them, 
basically from 1993 up to ...?
I am sure Bernd could help as well. Perhaps (certainly ?) Mark (Bostick) 
and many more of you guys from overseas, I believe.

Well, the idea is:
Shall I ask...David ?
Let me reassure you, Margaret and David are doing very well and are in 
excellent shape! I got news from them...some minutes ago.
I know that he is not anymore really willing to remain on the scene so we 
use stay in touch for many things we have in common, other than meteorites, 
but certainly still also meteorites, at least regarding general debates and 
advices David can provide.
I can at least ask hiw whether he still has copies of his past lists in his 
files and whether he can agree we use these lists for the best of the 
reasons: preserve a specific cultural heritage.

I know that David nowadays prefers remaining more behind the curtain so I 
would prefer first hear your feelings for such contact to be pertinent, 
before trying to contact him officially for that, on anynone's behalf.

Let me know your thoughts.

Alex, we have much to talk about this passionate past times, in the 2007 
Ensisheim session, if you can make it...

Cordially,

Zelimir


A 19:03 08/01/2007 +0100, Alexander Seidel a écrit :
I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price 
lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which 
happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my 
old files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a 
more complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique 
description of his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-) 
Bernd, I know you have many, if not all of these in your archives, at 
least for as long as you collect meteorites... These lists, if they were 
scanned and somehow made available via the net, would be a great show 
example of how things were in the later second half of the last century - 
I would even call it sort of cultural heritage with respect to the 
meteorite business.

I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow 
disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times 
on a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health 
together with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him 
at his home in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy! PS: 
btw he was the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider 
public, and I am proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through 
his hands.

Alex
Berlin/Germany

 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:41:13 +0100
Von: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

  Hello Bernd, Gary, list
 
  I completely agree with Bernd regarding the aesthetics of Forestburg (b).
  I was lucky enough to acquire a 315 g complete slice in the old good times
  (1995) when such beauties were available here and there and their gram
  prices quite affordable. David New was, at that time, such a person, one
  of
  the most expertized meteorite dealers, a man full of knowledge, fairness,
  kindness and respect towards collectors. Bernd should not contradict me.
  Regarding that slice of Forestburg (b), David told me one day something
  like Zelimir, if you are a true collector, you must take that one. It
  was
  not listed for sale but rather a specific offer from David for a
  beginner-collector and friend. And, believe me, he did not push the sale
  for some profit as David first wanted our satisfaction.
  In this case, mine was reached beyond all my expectations and I agreed to
  get it without even having a preliminary idea of its aspect, except a
  short
  description, because I just trusted my friend.
 
  I have no pictures on hand to show you but here is a summary of its
  characteristics.
  It is a 150 x 70 mm full slice, 15 mm thick. Both sides are neatly
  polished
  and show a black pattern, full of metal (Fe-Ni) spots, grains and islets,
  along with some schreibersite patches. It nicely contrasts with the thick
  red-brown crust well visible all around and carrying a painted number M
  148.1b (Monnig collection at TCU).
  I don't

Re: [meteorite-list] D. New's old meteorite lists

 Hi Alex, all,


Bonsoir Zelimir,


 Alex, it seems we were almost at the same place at the same time in the 
 recent past when we both started collecting meteorites (I did in 1992 
 thanks to David's wise advice, probably you earlier ?).


A long story to tell, way t long for this spot - but yes, I also 
basically (re-)started in 1992, when I also subscribed to be a member of the 
Meteoritical Society.


 I visited him in Anacortes in 1992 and 1995, at least for meteorites


So we almost could have met there in 1992 - I visited him while passing the the 
state of Washington in late September. I had gifted a three weeks rental car 
trip through the Western US and Canada to myself on the occasion of my 40th 
birthday... :-)
 

 Your idea to try to find out and gather David's old lists describing 
 meteorites and their prices is indeed brillant!
 Well, the idea is:
 Shall I ask...David ?


YES, please - I would strongly suggest you do just that! Say hello from me, and 
if you would like, please forward my initial post to the list and may be this 
one!


 Let me reassure you, Margaret and David are doing very well and are in 
 excellent shape! I got news from them...some minutes ago.


Glad to hear the good news!


 I can at least ask hiw whether he still has copies of his past lists in
 his files and whether he can agree we use these lists for the best of the 
 reasons: preserve a specific cultural heritage.


That´s exactly what I meant!

 
 Alex, we have much to talk about this passionate past times, in the 2007 
 Ensisheim session, if you can make it...


I have been there exactly every second year after it´s inauguration in the late 
Ninetees. Last time I could attend was 2005, so this year should be a definite 
date for me again! Would love to have a beer and wine with you, Zelimir. (Oh 
btw, I have that 70+ grams half Holbrook stone from you from one of the earlier 
Ensisheim show, a David New specimen, and already talked to you about it way 
back then :-)).

PS: this sounds to be a private mail, sorry, but it is mainly addressed to 
Zelimir´s proposal of contacting David New for his old lists, which makes it a 
public mail again, right? 

Best wishes,
Alex
Berlin/Germany



 A 19:03 08/01/2007 +0100, Alexander Seidel a écrit :
 I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price 
 lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which 
 happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my 
 old files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a
 more complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique 
 description of his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-) 
 Bernd, I know you have many, if not all of these in your archives, at 
 least for as long as you collect meteorites... These lists, if they were 
 scanned and somehow made available via the net, would be a great show 
 example of how things were in the later second half of the last century -
 I would even call it sort of cultural heritage with respect to the 
 meteorite business.
 
 I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow 
 disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times 
 on a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health 
 together with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him
 at his home in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy!
 PS: 
 btw he was the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider 
 public, and I am proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through 
 his hands.
 
 Alex
 Berlin/Germany
 
  Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:41:13 +0100
 Von: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite
 
   Hello Bernd, Gary, list
  
   I completely agree with Bernd regarding the aesthetics of Forestburg
 (b).
   I was lucky enough to acquire a 315 g complete slice in the old good
 times
   (1995) when such beauties were available here and there and their gram
   prices quite affordable. David New was, at that time, such a person,
 one
   of
   the most expertized meteorite dealers, a man full of knowledge,
 fairness,
   kindness and respect towards collectors. Bernd should not contradict
 me.
   Regarding that slice of Forestburg (b), David told me one day
 something
   like Zelimir, if you are a true collector, you must take that one.
 It
   was
   not listed for sale but rather a specific offer from David for a
   beginner-collector and friend. And, believe me, he did not push the
 sale
   for some profit as David first wanted our satisfaction.
   In this case, mine was reached beyond all my expectations and I agreed
 to
   get it without even having a preliminary idea of its aspect, except a
   short
   description, because I just trusted my friend.
  
   I have no pictures on hand to show you

[meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite - A Fairy Tale

2007-01-08 Thread bernd . pauli

Gary wrote: If you want to take a look [at Gary's slice] it is here:

http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html

Mark writes: A photograph from my Forestburg (b) thin section is shown here:

http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colforestburgbts.html 

Zélimir writes:

...sometimes a simple L5 or H6 can offer some extraordinary fairy-like 
picture. I understand how Gary and Bernd did appreciate their acquisition 
of Forestburg (b).

Hello Zélimir, Gary, Mark B. and List,

There is one such fairy-like chondrule in my Forestburg (b) thin section.
It features a prominent polysomatic megachondrule measuring 5 millimeters in
largest dimension. It is a complex, oval, barred olivine-pyroxene chondrule
and displays stunning interference colors of purple, pink, blue, yellow, orange
and turquoise under crossed polars. What a masterpiece by Mother Nature!

Best wishes,

Bernd

P.S.: Thin section pic attached for Zélimir, Gary, and Mark!

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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

2007-01-08 Thread Kashuba, Ontario, California

Just this morning I mailed David a check for an Estherville Mesosiderite 
thin section.

- John

John Kashuba
Ontario, California

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From: Alexander Seidel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite


I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price 
lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which 
happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my old 
files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a more 
complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique description of 
his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-) Bernd, I know you 
have many, if not all of these in your archives, at least for as long as you 
collect meteorites... These lists, if they were scanned and somehow made 
available via the net, would be a great show example of how things were in 
the later second half of the last century - I would even call it sort of 
cultural heritage with respect to the meteorite business.

I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow 
disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times on 
a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health together 
with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him at his home 
in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy! PS: btw he was 
the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider public, and I am 
proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through his hands.

Alex
Berlin/Germany

 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Mon, 08 Jan 2007 18:41:13 +0100
Von: Zelimir Gabelica [EMAIL PROTECTED]
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

 Hello Bernd, Gary, list

 I completely agree with Bernd regarding the aesthetics of Forestburg (b).
 I was lucky enough to acquire a 315 g complete slice in the old good times
 (1995) when such beauties were available here and there and their gram
 prices quite affordable. David New was, at that time, such a person, one
 of
 the most expertized meteorite dealers, a man full of knowledge, fairness,
 kindness and respect towards collectors. Bernd should not contradict me.
 Regarding that slice of Forestburg (b), David told me one day something
 like Zelimir, if you are a true collector, you must take that one. It
 was
 not listed for sale but rather a specific offer from David for a
 beginner-collector and friend. And, believe me, he did not push the sale
 for some profit as David first wanted our satisfaction.
 In this case, mine was reached beyond all my expectations and I agreed to
 get it without even having a preliminary idea of its aspect, except a
 short
 description, because I just trusted my friend.

 I have no pictures on hand to show you but here is a summary of its
 characteristics.
 It is a 150 x 70 mm full slice, 15 mm thick. Both sides are neatly
 polished
 and show a black pattern, full of metal (Fe-Ni) spots, grains and islets,
 along with some schreibersite patches. It nicely contrasts with the thick
 red-brown crust well visible all around and carrying a painted number M
 148.1b (Monnig collection at TCU).
 I don't remember having noticed any greenish inclusion (as, e.g., in
 Belle
 Plaine or Lahoma, to cite 2 other meteorites that involve such
 inclusions ) but will check this later for sure.
 Needless to say this slice remains as one of my collection master pieces.

 The conclusion of this example is that sometimes one does not necessarily
 need some rare meteorite type to appreciate an odd pattern and that
 sometimes a simple L5 or H6 can offer some extraordinary fairy-like
 picture. I understand how Gary and Bernd did appreciate their acquisition
 of Forestburg (b).
 The other, and perhaps even more rewarding conclusion is that you can
 sometimes get the best of the best by just trusting a genuine friend and
 his expertise, if you are lucky enough to know such a person. And I am
 sure
 such people are certainly still numerous around us, within our
 listthey
 should recognize themselves...

 Best wishes,

 Zelimir


 A 21:46 07/01/2007 +, vous avez écrit :
 Hello Gary and List,
 
   I just received and photographed this very nice slice of Forestburg
 (b)
   from the Hupe Collection...and this one is just beautiful  Shock stage
   S5, weathering grade W1; the chondrite is shock blackened and contains
   impact melt clasts.
 
 If you want to take a look it is here:
 
 http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html
 
 Congratulations, Gary! Excellent choice!
 
 Anyone who hasn't seen this beauty yet, should do so. Like Gary, I am one
 of the happy
 owners of a beautiful Forestburg (b) slice. Forestburg (b) is much more
 handsome than
 Forestburg

Re: [meteorite-list] D. New's old meteorite lists

Alex,

Definitely I will contact David for his old lists.
Although the list is presently quite silent I believe many of us are more 
than interested in reading such lists (again).

My own copies are in my archives home (Belgium) somewhere hidden in the old 
folders. I'll be glad to browse again through, next week.

I just must leave the office now but will contact David tomorrow for sure 
and he should read me while having his early morning coffee. (We may be 
here 8 hours ahead). I just finished my contact with him right now by saying:
I'll contact you again soon, for other subjects to debate...
  I'll include in my mail copies of your posts, for sure.

We must now start to think on how we should organize to get such lists 
officialized, perhaps without boring too much David, although I am pretty 
sure he is willing to help on his side.

Btw. I had my stop-over in Anacortes (2 days) on my way to Ketchikan 
(Alaska). Seattle airport was on the way. It was in mid May (the best 
weather period to collect ...minerals, in South West Alaska). I remember 
having purchased that day from David the main mass of Hughes 003 (558.6 
grams individual). Sorry if you missed it by some 4 monthsGood old 
somewhat nostalgic days...

Best,

Zelimir


A 19:58 08/01/2007 +0100, Alexander Seidel a écrit :
  Hi Alex, all,


Bonsoir Zelimir,


  Alex, it seems we were almost at the same place at the same time in the
  recent past when we both started collecting meteorites (I did in 1992
  thanks to David's wise advice, probably you earlier ?).


A long story to tell, way t long for this spot - but yes, I also 
basically (re-)started in 1992, when I also subscribed to be a member of 
the Meteoritical Society.


  I visited him in Anacortes in 1992 and 1995, at least for meteorites


So we almost could have met there in 1992 - I visited him while passing 
the the state of Washington in late September. I had gifted a three weeks 
rental car trip through the Western US and Canada to myself on the 
occasion of my 40th birthday... :-)


  Your idea to try to find out and gather David's old lists describing
  meteorites and their prices is indeed brillant!
  Well, the idea is:
  Shall I ask...David ?


YES, please - I would strongly suggest you do just that! Say hello from 
me, and if you would like, please forward my initial post to the list and 
may be this one!


  Let me reassure you, Margaret and David are doing very well and are in
  excellent shape! I got news from them...some minutes ago.


Glad to hear the good news!


  I can at least ask hiw whether he still has copies of his past lists in
  his files and whether he can agree we use these lists for the best of the
  reasons: preserve a specific cultural heritage.


That´s exactly what I meant!


  Alex, we have much to talk about this passionate past times, in the 2007
  Ensisheim session, if you can make it...


I have been there exactly every second year after it´s inauguration in the 
late Ninetees. Last time I could attend was 2005, so this year should be a 
definite date for me again! Would love to have a beer and wine with you, 
Zelimir. (Oh btw, I have that 70+ grams half Holbrook stone from you from 
one of the earlier Ensisheim show, a David New specimen, and already 
talked to you about it way back then :-)).

PS: this sounds to be a private mail, sorry, but it is mainly addressed to 
Zelimir´s proposal of contacting David New for his old lists, which makes 
it a public mail again, right?

Best wishes,
Alex
Berlin/Germany



  A 19:03 08/01/2007 +0100, Alexander Seidel a écrit :
  I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price
  lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which
  happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my
  old files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a
  more complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique
  description of his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-)
  Bernd, I know you have many, if not all of these in your archives, at
  least for as long as you collect meteorites... These lists, if they were
  scanned and somehow made available via the net, would be a great show
  example of how things were in the later second half of the last century -
  I would even call it sort of cultural heritage with respect to the
  meteorite business.
  
  I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow
  disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times
  on a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health
  together with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him
  at his home in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy!
  PS:
  btw he was the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider
  public, and I am proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through
  his hands.
  
  Alex
  Berlin/Germany

[meteorite-list] Santa Vitoria do Palmar (L3 chondrule wonder)

2007-01-08 Thread bernd . pauli

Hello List and Anne,

Hope you are prepared for some more eruptive enthusiasm ;-) When I came home 
from
school at 4 o'clock this afternoon, my 7.9-gram slice of Santa Vitoria do Palmar
had finally arrived and still had some Denver, Colorado snow flakes sitting on 
the
package :-)

How glad I am I purchased this slice from Anne! It has a very high chondrule 
density,
some chondrules are as large as 4 millimeters (!) and there is a substantial 
abundance
of large, golden troilite patches.

Thank you, Anne!

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] D. New's old meteorite lists

 Definitely I will contact David for his old lists.
 Although the list is presently quite silent I believe many of us are more 
 than interested in reading such lists (again).


I also believe or at least hope, that it´s not boring today. 
This is news from the past, folks! :-)

 
 We must now start to think on how we should organize to get such lists 
 officialized, perhaps without boring too much David, although I am pretty 
 sure he is willing to help on his side.


What (..I think) would basically be needed from his side is nothing but an OKAY 
for publication, and may be some old copies, if they are not to found 
elsewhere. All the other workload really should not be imposed on him, and 
could be done by some expert(s) in the field of publication. [Mark? :-)]

 
 Btw. I had my stop-over in Anacortes (2 days) on my way to Ketchikan 
 (Alaska). Seattle airport was on the way. It was in mid May (the best 
 weather period to collect ...minerals, in South West Alaska). I remember 
 having purchased that day from David the main mass of Hughes 003 (558.6 
 grams individual). 


Got my first pallasite from him on the occasion of my visit, a 46 g Esquel 
slice still in the collection (...and still stable, as Esquel uses to be!). And 
another real nice Holbrook half stone, though smaller than the one I purchased 
from you, Zelimir, about a decade later..:-)


Have a good night,
Alex
Berlin/Germany


 A 19:58 08/01/2007 +0100, Alexander Seidel a écrit :
   Hi Alex, all,
 
 
 Bonsoir Zelimir,
 
 
   Alex, it seems we were almost at the same place at the same time in
 the
   recent past when we both started collecting meteorites (I did in 1992
   thanks to David's wise advice, probably you earlier ?).
 
 
 A long story to tell, way t long for this spot - but yes, I also 
 basically (re-)started in 1992, when I also subscribed to be a member of 
 the Meteoritical Society.
 
 
   I visited him in Anacortes in 1992 and 1995, at least for meteorites
 
 
 So we almost could have met there in 1992 - I visited him while passing 
 the the state of Washington in late September. I had gifted a three weeks
 rental car trip through the Western US and Canada to myself on the 
 occasion of my 40th birthday... :-)
 
 
   Your idea to try to find out and gather David's old lists describing
   meteorites and their prices is indeed brillant!
   Well, the idea is:
   Shall I ask...David ?
 
 
 YES, please - I would strongly suggest you do just that! Say hello from 
 me, and if you would like, please forward my initial post to the list and
 may be this one!
 
 
   Let me reassure you, Margaret and David are doing very well and are in
   excellent shape! I got news from them...some minutes ago.
 
 
 Glad to hear the good news!
 
 
   I can at least ask hiw whether he still has copies of his past lists
 in
   his files and whether he can agree we use these lists for the best of
 the
   reasons: preserve a specific cultural heritage.
 
 
 That´s exactly what I meant!
 
 
   Alex, we have much to talk about this passionate past times, in the
 2007
   Ensisheim session, if you can make it...
 
 
 I have been there exactly every second year after it´s inauguration in
 the 
 late Ninetees. Last time I could attend was 2005, so this year should be
 a 
 definite date for me again! Would love to have a beer and wine with you, 
 Zelimir. (Oh btw, I have that 70+ grams half Holbrook stone from you from
 one of the earlier Ensisheim show, a David New specimen, and already 
 talked to you about it way back then :-)).
 
 PS: this sounds to be a private mail, sorry, but it is mainly addressed
 to 
 Zelimir´s proposal of contacting David New for his old lists, which
 makes 
 it a public mail again, right?
 
 Best wishes,
 Alex
 Berlin/Germany
 
 
 
   A 19:03 08/01/2007 +0100, Alexander Seidel a écrit :
   I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those
 price
   lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail -
 which
   happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in
 my
   old files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there
 has a
   more complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique
   description of his offered pieces, superb always being top choice!
 :-)
   Bernd, I know you have many, if not all of these in your archives, at
   least for as long as you collect meteorites... These lists, if they
 were
   scanned and somehow made available via the net, would be a great show
   example of how things were in the later second half of the last
 century -
   I would even call it sort of cultural heritage with respect to the
   meteorite business.
   
   I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow
   disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent
 times
   on a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health
   together with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited
 him
   at his

[meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe

Dear List Members,



If anybody cares, I will NOT be attending the Tucson show this year. 
Although it used to be the number one show on my list, it no longer holds 
this title for me for several reasons, mainly the lack of decent 
accommodations.



It seems for the last several years, some cheesy motel/hotel rips us off. We 
book online at $140.00 plus a night for what was advertised as a two-star 
facility just to find out it when we get there that it is some crack-user 
infested shack that should be condemned. Two years ago, the Econo Lodge 
tried to rip us off for nearly a $1,000.00 by charging my credit card even 
though we refused to stay in this falsely advertised hell hole.  They tacked 
on an extra night before we even arrived in Tucson to make the theft 
complete. I used to stay by the airport but the hotels have now raised their 
prices to $250.00 a night.  I could stay in a five-star hotel in the 
Caribbean for half this amount, come on, we are talking about Tucson here! 
The only other show I have been to where the hotels jack up their prices 
this much is Las Vegas and I refuse to pay $250.00 a night for a $50.00 a 
night room just because I am attending a convention.



I was going to come down this year with my RV but decided it was not worth 
the risk going through the passes which are buried in snow and ice.  This 
time of year, the coastal route is far too windy and time consuming to 
hardly make it worth the effort.  At 53' front to back, the winds would 
cause havoc with my setup as anybody with any road time with a rig will tell 
you.  I will wait until late winter when I can spend months in the field 
searching California before putting any of my equipment in jeopardy.



I added up my receipts from last year's Tucson show and decided it would be 
cheaper to attend the show in Germany, something I have yet to try and look 
forward to.



For those who will be attending the show, have a great time and stay away 
from the Econo Lodge!  I will forward some money to my brother, Greg who 
will be to pay off the margaritas and beers I owe on the Moss meteorite lost 
wagers.



All the Best,



Adam




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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite - A Fairy Tale

Many thanks Bernd!

The picture is wonderful indeed.

Upon checking my collection catalog, I note having also got a thin section 
of the same meteorite (David New, 1998).
However, I also note I sold that slice (and many others for which I had the 
real meteorite represented in collection) to my friend Roger Warin 
(enthroned Ensisheim 2006) who, as expert scientist, recently fell in love 
for meteorite thin sections and all what is behind.
Roger is especially becoming keen in taking micrographs of TS' under 
polarized light.
As a recent list member, Roger is certainly reading this post and I can bet 
he can provide us rapidly a picture of that Forestburg(b) thin section. If 
not done yet, I am even more sure he is willing to do it...tonight (I well 
know Roger's passions...).
Eh, Roger ?
(Story to be continued).

By the way, I also note I have a second slice of Forestburg (b) in 
collection. Got from Blaine Reed (another very nice and honest guy) in 1998.
It is a 127.4 g part slice, 100x55x4 mm, black, lots of metal and some 
light gray chondrules.
I can't say more as I am only reading the description in my catalog. If I 
retained it in colection means that it definitely shown something different 
than my big slice.
I will have a closed look next week and tell you more. Gary or Mark might 
be anxious to know whether there are some greenish spots around ?

Zelimir


A 19:05 08/01/2007 +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit :
Gary wrote: If you want to take a look [at Gary's slice] it is here:

http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/forestburg2-6.html

Mark writes: A photograph from my Forestburg (b) thin section is shown here:

http://www.meteoritearticles.com/colforestburgbts.html

Zélimir writes:

...sometimes a simple L5 or H6 can offer some extraordinary fairy-like
picture. I understand how Gary and Bernd did appreciate their acquisition
of Forestburg (b).

Hello Zélimir, Gary, Mark B. and List,

There is one such fairy-like chondrule in my Forestburg (b) thin section.
It features a prominent polysomatic megachondrule measuring 5 millimeters in
largest dimension. It is a complex, oval, barred olivine-pyroxene chondrule
and displays stunning interference colors of purple, pink, blue, yellow, 
orange
and turquoise under crossed polars. What a masterpiece by Mother Nature!

Best wishes,

Bernd

P.S.: Thin section pic attached for Zélimir, Gary, and Mark!

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Université de Haute Alsace
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3, Rue A. Werner,
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Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94
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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite - A Fairy Tale


Hello Bernd, Gary, Zelimir and fellow chondrite enthusiasts,

Bernd noted There is one such fairy-like chondrule in my Forestburg (b) 
thin section. It features a prominent polysomatic megachondrule measuring 5 
millimeters in largest dimension. It is a complex, oval, barred 
olivine-pyroxene chondrule and displays stunning interference colors of 
purple, pink, blue, yellow, orange and turquoise under crossed polars. What 
a masterpiece by Mother Nature!

I have temporarily placed Bernd's Forestburg (b) thin section photograph on 
my coin website (that site is much smaller and easier to load/upload), so 
that others could see what Bernd was referring to:

http://www.coinandstampman.com/ebayauctionphotos\FORESTBURG-05TSX32-01.jpg

http://www.coinandstampman.com/ebayauctionphotos\FORESTBURG-05TSX32-01.jpg

Very nice Bernd.  I appreciate the extra effort you put in your TS images 
with the reference notes. One of these days I should start doing such.

Zelimir also noted; I will have a closed look next week and tell you more. 
Gary or Mark might be anxious to know whether there are some greenish spots 
around?

It's also nice to see and read others describe or show their meteorites, we 
look forward to your future comments Zelimir.

Thanks Gary for starting this interesting thread.

Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
www.meteoritearticles.com


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Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year


Adam noted,

If anybody cares, I will NOT be attending the Tucson show this year.

Sorry to hear about that Adam.  Also, in case anyone cares, I will be 
arriving in Tucson Thursday, February 1st.  Plane tickets are kind of high 
this year so me and my older brother John, will be driving down.  I am 
hoping to convince my dad to tag along and then we will also go to the Grand 
Canyon and Meteor Crater.

Looking forward to meteorites and meteorite people,
Mark


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Re: [meteorite-list] NJO - another story

Resending -- post has not appeared after 12 hours...

-Original Message-
From: Matson, Robert 
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 11:20 PM
To: 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com'
Subject: NJO - another story

Hi All,

A little more information here in this Star Ledger story on the NJO:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/116806173346970.x
mlcoll=1

Still, no mention of a fusion crust.  --Rob
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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

I know, my dear nephew, I know too well!!!:-)

Well some of these days some special orders from me will surely go out again, 
Your dear uncle Alex
 
...But tell me: why, nephew, don´t YOU ever sell/collect thin sections?

[Well folks, nothing but a little insider joking here...:-)]


 Huh Uncle Alex,
 
 don't forget to mention, that there is a place, where still today a lot of
 those shrouded-in-legend-TSs are available.
 At our Grande Dame Anne Black!
 
 Your Nephew Martin
 
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
 Alexander Seidel
 Gesendet: Montag, 8. Januar 2007 19:04
 An: Zelimir Gabelica; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite
 
 I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price
 lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which
 happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my
 old
 files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a more
 complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique description of
 his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-) Bernd, I know
 you
 have many, if not all of these in your archives, at least for as long as
 you
 collect meteorites... These lists, if they were scanned and somehow made
 available via the net, would be a great show example of how things were in
 the later second half of the last century - I would even call it sort of
 cultural heritage with respect to the meteorite business.
 
 I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow
 disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times
 on
 a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health
 together
 with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him at his
 home
 in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy! PS: btw he was
 the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider public, and I
 am
 proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through his hands.
 
 Alex
 Berlin/Germany
   
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[meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite - Santa Vitoria

2007-01-08 Thread Impactika

In a message dated 1/8/2007 12:45:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Many thanks Bernd!

The picture is  wonderful indeed.

Upon checking my collection catalog, I note having also  got a thin section 
of the same meteorite (David New, 1998).
However, I  also note I sold that slice (and many others for which I had the 
real  meteorite represented in collection) to my friend Roger Warin 
(enthroned  Ensisheim 2006) who, as expert scientist, recently fell in love 
for  meteorite thin sections and all what is behind.
Roger is especially  becoming keen in taking micrographs of TS' under 
polarized light.
As a  recent list member, Roger is certainly reading this post and I can bet 
he  can provide us rapidly a picture of that Forestburg(b) thin section. If 
not  done yet, I am even more sure he is willing to do it...tonight (I well 
know  Roger's passions...).
Eh, Roger ?
(Story to be continued).

By the  way, I also note I have a second slice of Forestburg (b) in 
collection. Got  from Blaine Reed (another very nice and honest guy) in 1998.
It is a 127.4 g  part slice, 100x55x4 mm, black, lots of metal and some 
light gray  chondrules.
I can't say more as I am only reading the description in my  catalog. If I 
retained it in colection means that it definitely shown  something different 
than my big slice.
I will have a closed look next  week and tell you more. Gary or Mark might 
be anxious to know whether there  are some greenish spots around  ?

Zelimir
---
 
And here is another one:  _http://www.impactika.com/catpix/DE036.jpg_ 
(http://www.impactika.com/catpix/DE036.jpg) 
 
I am sorry I don't have a thin-section of Forestburg B right now, but I  
might consider getting some done in the near future.
 
Thanks Bernd for letting me know that your Santa Vitoria finally got  there 
and that you like it. If you would like more snow, just say so, we still  have 
plenty here. 

And thin-sections of Santa Vitoria are already in the making! I can give  you 
a bit of a preview of what they will show. Here is the picture of the slice  
that has been cut, and the corner being used for the thin-sections, lots of  
chondrules there. It should make for a few interesting  thin-sections:   
_http://www.impactika.com/AB224ts.jpg_ (http://www.impactika.com/AB224ts.jpg) 

And Zelimir, Alex, Mike Martinez was working at archiving all those old  
price-lists a while back. I don't know if he is still working on that, but 
maybe  
he will respond on the List.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
President,  I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.IMCA.cc
 
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[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update JAN 8

2007-01-08 Thread McCartney Taylor

Lots of off list voting!

We have so far:

Meteorite - 5 
Meteorwrong - 18
Brushed up Nantan/other - 4
Betean Fuel rod - 1
Abstain - 5
Slag -1

Did anyone notice the US Steel industrial park a stone's throw away from
the impact location?

Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote.

VOTING WILL END FRIDAY!  Jan 12! -- I've got to get on with my life. :0)

-mt
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-08 Thread David Weir

Hello Adam,

I wholly concur with your feelings about the Tucson rip-off hotels. I 
also find that the costs of flying and car rental, or possibly driving 
from Orlando, added to the ridiculous hotel prices make me opt out of 
attending, and I just yesterday cancelled my Motel 6 reservations. Maybe 
I'll take a vacation with my significant other to a European Show for a 
change this year. Funny that so many European collectors have said they 
plan to attend Tucson this year. I hope all have a blast regardless of 
the room and transportation prices.

David
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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Altmann

But Dearest Uncle,

to ask a meteorite dealer, why he doesn't collect thin sections, would be
similar to ask a Formula-1-pilot if he had noticed the pattern of the petals
of the orchids at the roadside.
To enjoy TS one needs leisure and time, a meteorite dealer hasn't.

To sell TS would be no good idea. As you should know, 80% of all
TS-collectors prefer strictly TS from the mentioned source and condemn all
other TS who don't carry that brand emblem a priori and without having seen
them as to be of minor quality. (Yep you could offer them even a David New
TS without telling and they would refuse).
And as there aren't so much specialized collectors, it simply would be quite
a loss...

But quiet now, I'm allowing myself a luxurious moment and am admiring the
incredible micrographs of Tom Philips!

And you should too!
Nephew Buckleboo



-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: Alexander Seidel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Januar 2007 21:13
An: Martin Altmann; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

I know, my dear nephew, I know too well!!!:-)

Well some of these days some special orders from me will surely go out
again, Your dear uncle Alex
 
...But tell me: why, nephew, don´t YOU ever sell/collect thin sections?

[Well folks, nothing but a little insider joking here...:-)]


 Huh Uncle Alex,
 
 don't forget to mention, that there is a place, where still today a lot of
 those shrouded-in-legend-TSs are available.
 At our Grande Dame Anne Black!
 
 Your Nephew Martin
 
 
 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von
 Alexander Seidel
 Gesendet: Montag, 8. Januar 2007 19:04
 An: Zelimir Gabelica; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite
 
 I wonder if there is anyone out there who has collected all those price
 lists that David New used to send to his customers via airmail - which
 happened in the pre-internet times, of course. I would have to dig in my
 old
 files to still find a few of them, but may be someone out there has a more
 complete collection of the lists, with David´s very unique description of
 his offered pieces, superb always being top choice! :-) Bernd, I know
 you
 have many, if not all of these in your archives, at least for as long as
 you
 collect meteorites... These lists, if they were scanned and somehow made
 available via the net, would be a great show example of how things were in
 the later second half of the last century - I would even call it sort of
 cultural heritage with respect to the meteorite business.
 
 I loved to communicate with David over many years, until he somehow
 disappeared from the (active) dealer scene and even in more recent times
 on
 a more private basis, and I hope he is still around at good health
 together
 with his wife Margaret. In the early Ninetees I once visited him at his
 home
 in Anacortes, Washington. A real gentleman, and great guy! PS: btw he was
 the first one to offer meteoritic thin sections to a wider public, and I
 am
 proud that most of my 150+ specimens have gone through his hands.
 
 Alex
 Berlin/Germany
   
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[meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

2007-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe

I think Forestburg(b) is an under appreciated bargain. I acquired my 
material from Blaine Reed who was selling at a very reasonable price.  I may 
have purchased all of his remaining inventory but I am not sure. I am glad 
Blaine Reed is still in business, he is great to work with and is honest, 
not to mention how fun he is to hang with at shows.  He still sends out 
mailings instead of using the internet for some reason, I guess this is part 
of the charm dealing with him.

Best Regards,

Adam


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[meteorite-list] Tucson hotels

Hi All,

I'm afraid I have to concur with Adam and David on the Tucson
hotel/motel situation.  Something about paying Manhattan prices
for a roach and bed-bug infested room in an area you wouldn't
walk at night unarmed rubs me the wrong way.  There are many
wonderful people that I would love to see there this year (and
perhaps I still will), but I won't support hotel piracy.

I see that a room at the Westward Look would run about $350
a night after fees and taxes.  Split between two people, that's
a better deal than staying solo anywhere downtown.  It's still
overpriced, but at least it's a nice place.  --Rob

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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

 But Dearest Uncle,

My Dear Nephew,

 To sell TS would be no good idea. As you should know, 80% of all
 TS-collectors prefer strictly TS from the mentioned source and condemn 
 all other TS who don't carry that brand emblem a priori and without 
 having seen them as to be of minor quality.

I believe it is only but a handful of us oldtimers knowing one of the real 
sources (i.e. the one you mean as the manufacturer) for thin sections, and 
willing to pay a bit more for quality, which always, I mean ALWAYS counts in 
the end... :-)

Look at Ebay - you will usually see a lot of cheap crappy sections offered 
there for comparably little money, and I believe, many thin section enthusiasts 
still have to learn that quality makes a difference!  

 But quiet now, I'm allowing myself a luxurious moment and am admiring the
 incredible micrographs of Tom Philips!

These are great - immediately agreed!

 Nephew Buckleboo

Yours very truly,
Uncle Alex
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson hotels

2007-01-08 Thread Dave Schultz

  Greetings. I have a room at The Red Roof Inn on West
Ina for $100.00 a night, very clean, and my car rental
is $150.00 for the four days that I will be in Tucson.
If you want a half way decent rate, you have to
reserve early. You can`t wait till the last minute and
you don`t have to reserve a room downtown. Very easy
commute from the outskirts around Tucson. Oh, by the
way... my airfare cost me $5.00! I used some of my
miles! ;)
Dave


 Hi All,
 
 I'm afraid I have to concur with Adam and David on
 the Tucson
 hotel/motel situation.  Something about paying
 Manhattan prices
 for a roach and bed-bug infested room in an area you
 wouldn't
 walk at night unarmed rubs me the wrong way.  There
 are many
 wonderful people that I would love to see there this
 year (and
 perhaps I still will), but I won't support hotel
 piracy.
 
 I see that a room at the Westward Look would run
 about $350
 a night after fees and taxes.  Split between two
 people, that's
 a better deal than staying solo anywhere downtown. 
 It's still
 overpriced, but at least it's a nice place.  --Rob
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Forestburg (b) L5 chondrite

2007-01-08 Thread STARSANDSCOPES

Hi Martin and list.  I wrote a piece for  Meteorite Magazine about good and 
garbage thins.  I agree, you get what you  pay for.  Most cheap thins would be 
useful for a micro mount collection but  should go nowhere near a microscope.

One exception is Ivan  Koutyrev.  He has sold thins on eBay cheap and they 
are among the best I  have worked with.  I think he has them made at a 
university in St.  Petersburg.  Ivan has some stories we all would love to 
hear.  I 
heard  he spent last summer in an Oman jail for legally collecting and just 
drew 
the  attention of the wrong person.

Tom  

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[meteorite-list] Ad-Tucson show 2007

2007-01-08 Thread Edwin Thompson

Hi list members,
For those of you coming to Tucson and for you book worms and thin section collectors;
My son Patrick will be joining me this year to help in the room (ste #103 at Inn Suites) How quickly time flies, it has been 9 years since the last time he helped mein the booth in the old Pueble Inn.In additional to the usual large inventory of wonderful meteorites and tektites,we will be bringing a good portion of the Edwin Thompsonmeteoritics library collection as well as a number of antiquarian books on paleontology and Indian artifacts and ethnology. Yes, I am selling off the book collection one book at a time! Also, we will be bringing the thin section collection which numbers right now over one thousand slides with such classics as Vigerano, Mighei, LA-001,
D'Orbigny, Efremovka, Allan Hills 76009 and on and on. We arrive in Tucson on the 20th of January. The show at the Inn Suites officially opens on the 27th but I think we should have the room set up well before then. Stop by for a look. We'll be open until the 12th of February.

As a side note; for ten years now I have co-hosted a great party in the courtyard at the old Pueblo Inn (it could be called anything this year) most of you know or can find out where that is. Along with the Desert Inn (now torn down) it used to be the heartbeat of the Tucson show.
We have BBQ, beer, wine, music and all the top shelf margueritas you can drink. I'll be there making the margueritas. Once I get to Tucson we will decide on the date and I'll let everyone know that date. Your all welcome and I promise a good time at least until the Tucson police come to shut us down like they did last year and the year before! No harm, no foul, it's all good fun.
Looking forward to another month of fun in the Arizona sun.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson hotels

2007-01-08 Thread Matt Morgan

I agree completely with Dave.  I have a room at the Wyndham for 
100/night and Sat night-Sun I will have a room at the Westward Look 
(220/night).  But I booked in Sept!
Rental truck from Denver for a week is 260.
Not all that bad considering it is the grandaddy of all gem shows and 
you will see as many meteorites and enthusiasts you can handle in a 
week's time.
Matt Morgan

Dave Schultz wrote:
   Greetings. I have a room at The Red Roof Inn on West
 Ina for $100.00 a night, very clean, and my car rental
 is $150.00 for the four days that I will be in Tucson.
 If you want a half way decent rate, you have to
 reserve early. You can`t wait till the last minute and
 you don`t have to reserve a room downtown. Very easy
 commute from the outskirts around Tucson. Oh, by the
 way... my airfare cost me $5.00! I used some of my
 miles! ;)
 Dave


   
 Hi All,

 I'm afraid I have to concur with Adam and David on
 the Tucson
 hotel/motel situation.  Something about paying
 Manhattan prices
 for a roach and bed-bug infested room in an area you
 wouldn't
 walk at night unarmed rubs me the wrong way.  There
 are many
 wonderful people that I would love to see there this
 year (and
 perhaps I still will), but I won't support hotel
 piracy.

 I see that a room at the Westward Look would run
 about $350
 a night after fees and taxes.  Split between two
 people, that's
 a better deal than staying solo anywhere downtown. 
 It's still
 overpriced, but at least it's a nice place.  --Rob

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[meteorite-list] NJO Votes - Update JAN 8

2007-01-08 Thread Mike Fowler



My vote is for a meteorwrong.

It looks a lot like a piece of iron that was kicked out of a  
tubgrinder.  These are large machines used to grind up wood debris,  
like after a hurricane, or for recycling purposes, or for volume  
reduction of demolition debris.  If there is such a machine operating  
within 300 or 400 yards of the impact site, it could have been  
hammered around in the machine a while, leaving it somewhat rounded  
and dented, and then kicked out with enough velocity to go hundreds  
of feet in the air, and fall back with a velocity of 100 to 150 miles  
an hour, depending on the size of the machine etc.  The horizontal  
travel would depend on the angle of ejection, and most importantly on  
the wind speed.

Of course if this happened, it is unlikely that the owner of the  
machine will come forward and own up to it.

Mike Fowler
E-Z Tree Recycling
Chicago

also ebay--starsandrocks


 Did anyone notice the US Steel industrial park a stone's throw away  
 from
 the impact location?

 Still taking votes, email off list if you wish an anonymous vote.

 VOTING WILL END FRIDAY! Jan 12! -- I've got to get on with my  
 life. :0)

 -mt
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[meteorite-list] Astronomy Magazine August 2006 freebie

Astronomy Magazine was kind enough to send me a couple free issues of their 
August 2006 issue for my help with the blog last week


To see it, go to this URL and scroll down to The Sky Is Falling. It has 
some nice Haag commentary.Ill have to ask him in Tucson to throw a 
meteorite at me;^)


http://www.astronomy.com/asy/cs/blogs/astronomy/default.aspx

Since they were kind enough to give me two copies, and I only desire one, I 
will go ahead and pass the extra along at cost (free) to the first person to 
e-mail me.  I do ask that you pay shipping, likely $1.50 in the US, outside 
the US I will just send and then you can pay the shipping when it arrives, 
as it is pretty hard to guess exactly in most foreign cases.


I only have one extra issue so this will be just to the first to 
respondsorry.


Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
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[meteorite-list] David New

2007-01-08 Thread Chris. Spratt


Hi all;

Anyone have David New's email address? The one I have from a couple of 
years ago bounces emails  back.  I have several of his thin sections in 
my collection. I've known him since the early 80's.

Chris. Spratt
Victoria, BC.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson hotels

Hi Dave,

I realize that it's advantageous to book Tucson (or any big
show that stretches the limits of a city's accommodations) as
far in advance as possible, but the show is not that high a
priority for me, and I never know more than a few weeks ahead
of time if I'll be able attend.  Fact is I've never been the
sort to make reservations for anything a year in advance just
in case I might go.

I don't entirely blame the hotels for jacking up the prices --
after all, someone is obviously desperate enough to pay them.
Supply and demand.  Not to mention that 10 months out of the
year Tucson motels probably struggle to stay in business, so
the Gem show subsidizes the rest of the year.

--Rob

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[meteorite-list] NASA Selects Proposals For Future Mars Missions and Studies



Jan. 8, 2007

Dwayne Brown
Headquarters, Washington
202-358-1726

RELEASE: 07-03

NASA SELECTS PROPOSALS FOR FUTURE MARS MISSIONS AND STUDIES

WASHINGTON - On Monday, NASA selected for concept study development 
two proposals for future robotic missions to Mars. These missions 
would increase understanding of Mars' atmosphere, climate and 
potential habitability in greater detail than ever before. 

In addition, NASA also will fund a U.S. scientist to participate in a 
proposed European Mars mission as well as fund instrument technology 
studies that could lead to further contributions to future Mars 
missions. 

These mission selections represent unprecedented future research that 
will lead to further advancing our knowledge and understanding of the 
Red Planet's climate, and atmospheric composition, said Mary Cleave, 
associate administrator for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, NASA 
Headquarters, Washington. 

Each Mars mission proposal will receive initial funding of 
approximately $2 million to conduct a nine-month implementation 
feasibility study. Following these detailed mission concept studies, 
NASA intends to select one of the two proposals by late 2007 for full 
development as a Mars Scout mission. The mission developed for flight 
would have a launch opportunity in 2011 and cost no more than $475 
million. 

The selected Mars mission proposals are: 

* Mars Atmosphere and Volatile Evolution mission, or MAVEN: The 
mission would provide first-of-its-kind measurements and address key 
questions about Mars climate and habitability and improve 
understanding of dynamic processes in the upper Martian atmosphere 
and ionosphere. The principal investigator is Bruce Jakosky, 
University of Colorado, Boulder. NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, 
Greenbelt, Md., will provide project management. 

* The Great Escape mission: The mission would directly determine the 
basic processes in Martian atmospheric evolution by measuring the 
structure and dynamics of the upper atmosphere. In addition, 
potentially biogenic atmospheric constituents such as methane would 
be measured. The principal investigator is Alan Stern, Southwest 
Research Institute, Boulder, Colorado. Southwest Research Institute, 
San Antonio, will provide project management. 

NASA has selected Alian Wang of Washington University, St. Louis, to 
participate as a member of the science team for the European Space 
Agency's ExoMars mission. Wang will receive approximately $800,000 to 
study the chemistry, mineralogy and astrobiology of Mars using 
instrumentation on the ExoMars mission, scheduled for launch in 2013. 

NASA also has selected two proposals for technology development 
studies that may lead to further NASA contributions to ExoMars or 
other Mars missions. The two technology development studies, funded 
for a total of $1.5 million, are: 

* Urey Mars Organic and Oxidant Detector: The Urey instrument would 
investigate organics and oxidant materials on Mars using three 
complementary detection systems. The principal investigator is 
Jeffrey Bada, University of California at San Diego. 

* Mars Organic Molecule Analyzer, or MOMA: The instrument would 
investigate organic molecular signatures and the environment in which 
they exist using a mass spectrometer and gas chromatograph. The 
principal investigator is Luann Becker, University of California at 
Santa Barbara. 

These selections were judged to have the best science value among 26 
proposals submitted to NASA in August 2006 in response to an open 
announcement of opportunity. 

NASA's Mars Exploration Program seeks to characterize and understand 
Mars as a dynamic system, including its present and past environment, 
climate cycles, geology and biological potential. The Mars 
Exploration Program Office is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion 
Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., for the Mars Exploration Program, 
Science Mission Directorate, Washington. 

For information about NASA and agency programs, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov

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[meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-08 Thread Mike Fowler

 ... Funny that so many European collectors have said they
 plan to attend Tucson this year. I hope all have a blast regardless of
 the room and transportation prices.

 David

Perhaps with the Euro so strong and the US Dollar so week, $250  
doesn't look so expensive to the Europeans!!

Mike Fowler
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Re: [meteorite-list] David New

Hello Chris,

David New's e-mail address sent privately.

For those that haven't ever purchased from David you might try write and 
asking for a Thin Section Price List.  David has a 50 year history in 
selling minerals and meteorites via the mail so that form of communication 
is an old hat to him.

You can write David New at:

David New
P.O. Box 788
Anacortes, Washington 98221-0788

Clear Skies,
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[meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-08 Thread Bob Evans

Im looking at  $1189  for four days including airfare , hotel and car for my 
wife and I.
That's not too bad, is it ?
BTW- Breakfasts are free at my hotel ;-)

Bob 

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[meteorite-list] New York Odor- What if............

2007-01-08 Thread Mike Groetz

   ...It was the odor of a left over vapor trail from
an incoming meteor? I know- possible but not probable.
Wonder if any sitings were reported in their area last
night?

Mike

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[meteorite-list] (no subject)

2007-01-08 Thread Darryl Pitt


looking for contact info for karl sprich

thanks so much.  best/ darryl
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[meteorite-list] AD: WEBSITE UPDATE SALE

2007-01-08 Thread dean bessey

After two months I finally got my new meteorites from
munich (I sent them seafreight which cost me 350 Euros
because airfreight would have costs me almost 4000
euros) but at last I have new meteorites again. Havent
had a chance to do much cutting yet but will get at
that tomorrow.
See my new sale here:
http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/msale2.html
Page will get links to my website tomorrow but a 20%
discount to list members on anything of interest
bought today and tomorrow. Paypal preferred for
payment.
Cheers
DEAN

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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: WEBSITE UPDATE SALE

2007-01-08 Thread tett

Dean,

If not sold I will take M86 (88.1 grams for $30)

Cheers,

Mike Tettenborn
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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 5:52 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: WEBSITE UPDATE SALE

 After two months I finally got my new meteorites from
 munich (I sent them seafreight which cost me 350 Euros
 because airfreight would have costs me almost 4000
 euros) but at last I have new meteorites again. Havent
 had a chance to do much cutting yet but will get at
 that tomorrow.
 See my new sale here:
 http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/msale2.html
 Page will get links to my website tomorrow but a 20%
 discount to list members on anything of interest
 bought today and tomorrow. Paypal preferred for
 payment.
 Cheers
 DEAN

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Re: [meteorite-list] David New

Trammell noted I have purchased diamonds from him.

David New is a long time diamond expert.  I was talking about this with a 
friend of his, Art Elhmann (TCU curator) once as David is a common friend.  
Art and David have been good friends for years. Art noted to me that David 
use to go to the mineral shows and search for diamonds with a perfect 
natural crystal formation. Sellers thought it was strange as he was less 
interested with what the diamond looked like inside.  Personally I think I 
would rather have a natural one with perfect shape then one with a terrible 
shape but a microscopic flaw inside...comparatively.

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[meteorite-list] AW: Missing Tucson this year - So how about Ensisheim???

2007-01-08 Thread Norbert Classen

Dear Adam, David, and All,

I'm sure you both would enjoy a visit to one of the European shows, and not
just as a substitute for Tucson. The Munich show is always fantastic, for
example, but Ensisheim might be even more of an experience as it is not just
another rock  gem show, but one of the few true meteorite shows in the
world. Hey, and if you want to see more than just stupid old space rocks,
all those crazy meteorite people, and that ol' Thunderstone at the Regency
Palace of Ensisheim (just kidding, Zelimir ,-)), you might like to extend
your stay for another week to visit the Ste. Marie aux Mines Show nearby.
It's one of Europe's best rock  gem shows, and always worth a visit, too.

If you are bored in between the shows this would also be a great opportunity
to visit me at my home right across the German border - you both would be
more than welcome! We have no margaritas  enchilladas, but a great pinot
gris  tarte flambe - and oh those cherries at my home :-)) Just ask Dave
Schultz, Jim Strope  Mike Farmer who visited me last year. How about some
of those cherries, Mike, fresh from the trees ;-?? You're always welcome!

Here are the dates of this years Ensisheim  Ste. Marie Shows:

Ensisheim Meteorite Show, Alsace, France, June 15-17, 2007
Ste. Marie aux Mines Show, Alsace, France, June 21-24, 2007

Hope to see a lot of familiar, and new faces there!

All the best,
Norbert


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Re: [meteorite-list] David New

2007-01-08 Thread Mark

That's the collector Mark! Perfect examples of crystal forms.
I like those too, but only have a couple small specimens (not diamonds) in 
my crystal collection so far.

Enjoy
Mark
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] David New

 Trammell noted I have purchased diamonds from him.

 David New is a long time diamond expert.  I was talking about this with a
 friend of his, Art Elhmann (TCU curator) once as David is a common friend.
 Art and David have been good friends for years. Art noted to me that David
 use to go to the mineral shows and search for diamonds with a perfect
 natural crystal formation. Sellers thought it was strange as he was less
 interested with what the diamond looked like inside.  Personally I think I
 would rather have a natural one with perfect shape then one with a 
 terrible
 shape but a microscopic flaw inside...comparatively.

 Clear Skies,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-08 Thread Martin Altmann

I wonder, if there is any specialized meteorite fair in the U.S.,
like Ensisheim or Gifhorn in Europe?

If not, why not to bring one into being?
I'd expect the largest number of collectors from the worldwide collectorship
to live in USA.

To attract more dealers it would helpful, if it would take place in a week
before or after and not to far from another larger rock show, so that they
could do two fairs on one trip.

Mid-June is reserved for the Ensisheim/St.Marie shows, end of Oct for Munich
and I hear Tokyo has a certain acceptance at meteorite dealers.

Yip, and the IMCA could held their annual meetings there too...

Just an idea.
Martin







-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von David
Weir
Gesendet: Montag, 8. Januar 2007 21:25
An: Adam Hupe
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

Hello Adam,

I wholly concur with your feelings about the Tucson rip-off hotels. I 
also find that the costs of flying and car rental, or possibly driving 
from Orlando, added to the ridiculous hotel prices make me opt out of 
attending, and I just yesterday cancelled my Motel 6 reservations. Maybe 
I'll take a vacation with my significant other to a European Show for a 
change this year. Funny that so many European collectors have said they 
plan to attend Tucson this year. I hope all have a blast regardless of 
the room and transportation prices.

David
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year - So how about Ensisheim???

2007-01-08 Thread Adam Hupe

Hi Norbert and All,

That sounds like a great invitation, a good excuse to celebrate my birthday 
which is also in June. Two shows for almost the price of one and a chance to 
meet the European contingent of collectors!  Who cares about margaritas when 
the beer and wine are so great in Europe?  My only regret about missing 
Tucson this year and probably the upcoming years is that it was a great 
place to meet up with fellow collectors. I guess I will still see some of 
them in Denver which I will not miss for the world.

Take Care and have fun at the show for those who are attending,

Adam

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To: 'David Weir' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Adam Hupe' 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 3:37 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] AW: Missing Tucson this year - So how about 
Ensisheim???


 Dear Adam, David, and All,

 I'm sure you both would enjoy a visit to one of the European shows, and 
 not
 just as a substitute for Tucson. The Munich show is always fantastic, for
 example, but Ensisheim might be even more of an experience as it is not 
 just
 another rock  gem show, but one of the few true meteorite shows in the
 world. Hey, and if you want to see more than just stupid old space rocks,
 all those crazy meteorite people, and that ol' Thunderstone at the Regency
 Palace of Ensisheim (just kidding, Zelimir ,-)), you might like to extend
 your stay for another week to visit the Ste. Marie aux Mines Show nearby.
 It's one of Europe's best rock  gem shows, and always worth a visit, too.

 If you are bored in between the shows this would also be a great 
 opportunity
 to visit me at my home right across the German border - you both would be
 more than welcome! We have no margaritas  enchilladas, but a great pinot
 gris  tarte flambe - and oh those cherries at my home :-)) Just ask Dave
 Schultz, Jim Strope  Mike Farmer who visited me last year. How about some
 of those cherries, Mike, fresh from the trees ;-?? You're always welcome!

 Here are the dates of this years Ensisheim  Ste. Marie Shows:

 Ensisheim Meteorite Show, Alsace, France, June 15-17, 2007
 Ste. Marie aux Mines Show, Alsace, France, June 21-24, 2007

 Hope to see a lot of familiar, and new faces there!

 All the best,
 Norbert


 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Strangest link between life on earth and mars yet!

2007-01-08 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi,

The whole question of the reality of nanobacteria has been
with us for sometime now. The concept of some form of
microbial (?) life many times smaller than the smallest bacteria
originates with a Texas geologist (Folk), who found fossil
traces in Italian carbonates.
The smallest known bacteria are as large as the largest
viruses. Pox viruses, which cause diseases such as smallpox,
can be 300 nanometers across their longest axis.   There are
bacteria as small as 200 nm.  Viruses can get much smaller,
however; the picornaviruses, a group that includes polio and
hepatitis A, can be as small as 24 to 35 nm.
The proposed nanobacteria are about 100 nanometers
across, which would mean they would have perhaps one
eighth of the volume of the smallest known bacteria, which
is impossibly small for a form of life, say microbiologists.
Of course, you should bear in mind that, just as paleontologists
don't like physicists and astronomers proposing asteroids as
dinosaur killers, biologists don't like geologists proposing any
new life forms that the biologists may have missed.
In 1998 the debate got real when Olavi Kajander and Neva
Ciftcioglu of the University of Kuopio in Finland claimed to
have found nanobacteria, surrounded by a calcium-rich
mineral called apatite, in human kidney stones. Medically,
the cause of kidney stones has been an unsolved mystery
for a century.
Objections were quick in coming.  Many of the supposed
nanobacteria were less than 100 nm across, smaller than many
viruses, which cannot replicate independently.  Microbiologically,
to contain the DNA and proteins needed to function, a cell must
be at least 140 nm across. If these are bacteria, they are miracles
of packaging.
These particles are self replicating, that is without doubt,
[University of British Columbia microbiologist Yossef] Av Gay
says.  But finding out what is inside them is complicated... The
story seems to be gearing toward the idea that these are not
bacteria, but maybe a new living form.  It is a very interesting
story, but you won't get the answer now.
Nanobacteria, or whatever form of life they are, have now
been found in kidney stones, deep ocean sediments, a mile deep
in solid rock, in human arterial plaque, gallstones, mine sludge,
psammona bodies (calcified structures in ovarian cancer), and
of course, first and foremost, they, or rather their traces, are
the evidence of life in the famous Alan Hills Martian meteorite.
It is the claim of nanobacteria that chiefly fuels opposition
to the meteorite discovery claim, as a great many biologists
are virulently opposed to the notion of nanobacteria. There is
no dount in my mind that the acceptance of that claim will wait
until the notion of such small life is accepted (and understood).
Don't hold your breath. Many decades ago an Australian
pathologist discovered that a bacteria (H. pylori) was the cause
of stomach ulcers, a disorder thought by medical science to
be without an infectious cause. It took nearly two decades
and hundreds of positive trials to convince the over-grown
and slow-moving consensus of science. Yet, today, after twenty
more years since it was ccepted as the cause of ulcers, if you
go to a doctor with your ulcer, he will likely NOT treat you
for your H. pylori infection -- forty years after the discovery.
And that was just the discovery of a perfectly ordinary bacteria.
Maybe in another 40 years...
Interestingly, there are currently TWO biological mysteries
that revolve around the question of very small agents. There's
the whole nanobacteria question and there is the question
of the particulate agents of the dozen or so known spongiform
encephalopathies, something about 1/3 the size of a large virus;
in other words, about the same size as small nanobacteria.
The currently popular theory is that the agent is an abnormally
folded protein called a prion. However, despite the prion theory
winning its advocate the Nobel Price more than a decade ago, it
has never achieved a demonstrated proof (in vitrio or in vivo).
Very embarassing. And, after a decade, the prion theory has
generated no advances of any kind. (Even Einstein had to wait
15 years to get his Nobel for relativity, from 1905 until 1919,
when there was finally an experimental proof.)
The answers, whatever they are, will probably take decades
to turn up.


Sterling K. Webb
-
Mayo Clinic finds DNA in nanobacteria, 2004:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3729487.stm

Nanobacteria discovered in mine sludge; too small to be seen
under a microscope, they are found by their DNA: December, 2006:
http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/20061121184849data_trunc_sys.shtml
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Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

2007-01-08 Thread Desert Tours

For anyone there's lots of towns like Benson 30mins away the rooms should be
around $50.

Kim
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Dear List Members,

If anybody cares, I will NOT be attending the Tucson show this year.
Although it used to be the number one show on my list, it no longer holds
this title for me for several reasons, mainly the lack of decent
accommodations.

It seems for the last several years, some cheesy motel/hotel rips us off. We
book online at $140.00 plus a night for what was advertised as a two-star
facility just to find out it when we get there that it is some crack-user
infested shack that should be condemned. Two years ago, the Econo Lodge
tried to rip us off for nearly a $1,000.00 by charging my credit card even
though we refused to stay in this falsely advertised hell hole. They tacked
on an extra night before we even arrived in Tucson to make the theft
complete. I used to stay by the airport but the hotels have now raised their
prices to $250.00 a night. I could stay in a five-star hotel in the
Caribbean for half this amount, come on, we are talking about Tucson here!
The only other show I have been to where the hotels jack up their prices
this much is Las Vegas and I refuse to pay $250.00 a night for a $50.00 a
night room just because I am attending a convention.

I was going to come down this year with my RV but decided it was not worth
the risk going through the passes which are buried in snow and ice. This
time of year, the coastal route is far too windy and time consuming to
hardly make it worth the effort. At 53' front to back, the winds would
cause havoc with my setup as anybody with any road time with a rig will tell
you. I will wait until late winter when I can spend months in the field
searching California before putting any of my equipment in jeopardy.

I added up my receipts from last year's Tucson show and decided it would be
cheaper to attend the show in Germany, something I have yet to try and look
forward to.

For those who will be attending the show, have a great time and stay away
from the Econo Lodge! I will forward some money to my brother, Greg who
will be to pay off the margaritas and beers I owe on the Moss meteorite lost
wagers.

All the Best,

Adam

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[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Auctions

2007-01-08 Thread David Kitt Deyarmin

I listed 4 items on ebay, 2 nice partial slices a Sikhote Alin that I purchased 
from Jim Strope and a really nice framed display of 3 slices

You can see them at:


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Re: [meteorite-list] David New

2007-01-08 Thread mckinney trammell

i anve purchased diamonds from him -thx 4 the contact info!

MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Hello Chris,

David New's e-mail address sent privately.

For those that haven't ever purchased from David you might try write and 
asking for a Thin Section Price List. David has a 50 year history in 
selling minerals and meteorites via the mail so that form of communication 
is an old hat to him.

You can write David New at:

David New
P.O. Box 788
Anacortes, Washington 98221-0788

Clear Skies,
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[meteorite-list] Michael L Blood

2007-01-08 Thread Dana L. Hawn

Dear Michael,  Dang I knew dealing meteorites was cut throat, but I just didn't 
realize how cut throat.  ha ha ha!  So who on the list do you think is trying 
to have you bumped off before the Tucson show?  ah just kidding!  
   
  Anyway Happy New to you!  It looks like your off to an interesting start this 
year.  What is really interesting is this person is willing to meet you face to 
face.  Woo hoo its someone local possibly?  Yep, you best turn this one 
over to the FBI.  I can't wait to hear how this all turns out in the end.  Do 
keep me posted!  
   
  Sincerely,  Dana L. Hawn

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Re: [meteorite-list] How to get an NJO

2007-01-08 Thread Steve Dunklee

http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8fr=slv8-msgrp=black%20powder%20cannon
   
  Cooter just had to try out his new toy.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 38, Issue 32

2007-01-08 Thread VisualThinker7

 
In a message dated 1/7/2007 2:32:14 PM Eastern Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Hi,  listers - 

What matters (to me) for the New Jersey  hole-in-
the-roof rock is its color. If its a fresh meteorite, I 
think  it should be covered in black stuff, whatever
you want to call it. Unless  the rock is a aubrite or 
from the lunar highlands. 

Happy New Year!!


Allan 


It's possible it was wiped or washed off before being photographed. 
Most of the people involved seem to be pretty clueless... not that I, as a  
New York City resident would have a poor opinion of people in New  Jersey...
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Re: [meteorite-list] reflective or 'glassy' surfaces

2007-01-08 Thread VisualThinker7

Whoa. Lots of nonsense going on here. 
 
Reflective surfaces, such as glass or some metals, DO have a crystalline  
structure. In fact, it is the uniform alignment of the surfaces of the 
molecules  
that make the material reflective, or glassy. 
 
Amorphous, or non crystalline materials also reflect light, but because of  
the highly varied positions of the molecules the reflections are scattered, and 
 the material is not reflective. 
 
Polishing metals aligns the surface molecules. Cleaning dust, dirt or dried  
beer off of glass restores it's reflective qualities. Cracking scratching or  
abrading a 'glassy' surface (as by sanding with sandpaper) disorganized the  
molecules, reducing the reflectivity. 
 
The heating of a meteor might create a glassy surface, however the speed of  
air striking the hot surface might also cause a chemical reaction, or pitting, 
 in which case the 'fusion crust' clearly would be caused by heat, but not  
reflective. 
 
 
PS  The term 'glassy eyed'  refers to a fixed gaze.When a person  is staring 
blankly into space you can see the reflection of light off of the  eyeballs. 
The eyes of an animated person, in constant motion, have a different  
appearance. 
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[meteorite-list] NJO - another story

Hi All,

A little more information here in this Star Ledger story on the NJO:

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-10/116806173346970.xmlcoll=1

Still, no mention of a fusion crust.  --Rob
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[meteorite-list] Hi ALL!!!

2007-01-08 Thread meteor a

Hello Everyone:
 
I'm happy to return to the meteorite-list. 
Hope you did not forget me.
I with you all THE BEST in THE NEW 2007 !!! And METEORITES will join us again!
 
SERGE
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO

2007-01-08 Thread Dave Freeman mjwy




phenomenological


It this really a word?  Sounds like a George Bush word.
DF


Matthias Bärmann wrote:


I agree. But using an expression (also a scientific one) in a
phenomenological manner we should take care to avoid a contradiction (or
even tensions) between the phenomenological and the scientific dimension.

- Original Message - 
From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 8:26 PM
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DO


On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:17:25 +0100, you wrote:

 


But it doesn't hit the point regarding meteorites. Glassy evokes the
impression of something shiny, very smooth, mirror-like. But as we all now
   



But the laymen use of the term isn't the scientific one.  Glassy means
something that cooled quickly enough that it didn't have time to crystalize
and
is instead, on the atomic level, an amorphous mess.

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[meteorite-list] Paleo shale ball AD

2007-01-08 Thread Dave Freeman mjwy


Dear List;
I have just listed a grand specimen of a paleo shall ball from the 
Frontier Formation, Cretaceous Rock Springs Uplift.
Is it for real, well, a real cretaceous shale ball.  I have not tested 
for nickel, it has undergone a silified mineralization event.
Has an excellent manganese patina for plenty of effect.  Opening bid 
$3.99   Hot hot!

 Would be fun to bring to Tucson soon.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=13002914

Thanks for putting up with me.
Dave Freeman
ebay user ID mjwy
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[meteorite-list] looking for meteorite article in Nature 1938, 142, p. 623

2007-01-08 Thread Dr. Svend Buhl

Dear list,

I'am looking for an article by L.S. Selivanov, in: Nature, 1938, 142, p. 623. 
Unfortunately I have only access to the years 1949 ff.

A scan or pdf of page 623 would be highly appreciated.

Thanks for your efforts in advance

Svend

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[meteorite-list] a fossil in this meteorite?

2007-01-08 Thread Joe

Hello list,
Is it possible that there is a fossil in a meteorite, an O.C.? I was 
cutting an unclassified saharan meteorite and found this weird inclusion, it 
kind of resembles a small fossil, that is what I would think if it were a 
terrestrial stone, but it's not. I'm sure it is just an unusual inclusion. I 
just thought I would look into it a bit, I thought it would be a shame not to. 
I am pretty sure it is not a fossil, but wanted some professional opinoins. 
Thanks in advance.

   http://illinoismeteorites.com/yabb/YaBB.pl?num=1168231205/0#0

Thanks,
Joe Kerchner

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Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's - yes they DO

2007-01-08 Thread Matthias Bärmann

Hello Dave, list,

trying to google phenomenological one can get ca. 5.860.000 results. The 
Center for Advanced Research in Phenomenology gives a summary in describing 
what they call Seven Widely Accepted Features of the Phenomenological 
Approach. For my argumentation I'd refer especially to no.3 and no. 6:

3. Phenomenologists tend to justify cognition (and some also evaluation and 
action) with reference to what Edmund Husserl called Evidenz, which is 
awareness of a matter itself as disclosed in the most clear, distinct, and 
adequate way for something of its kind

6. Phenomenologists tend to recognize the role of description in universal, a 
priori, or eidetic terms as prior to explanation by means of causes, 
purposes, or grounds;
http://www.phenomenologycenter.org/phenom.htm#2
Phenomenological a Bush word, Mr. Bush thinking and acting consequently in a 
phenomenological manner - would have been great, would have saved the world 
some problems. 



Matthias

 

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  From: Dave Freeman mjwy 
  To: Matthias Bärmann 
  Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 9:56 PM
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phenomenologicalIt this really a word?  Sounds like a George Bush word.
  DF


  Matthias Bärmann wrote:

I agree. But using an expression (also a scientific one) in a
phenomenological manner we should take care to avoid a contradiction (or
even tensions) between the phenomenological and the scientific dimension.

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To: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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DO


On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:17:25 +0100, you wrote:

  But it doesn't hit the point regarding meteorites. Glassy evokes the
impression of something shiny, very smooth, mirror-like. But as we all now

But the laymen use of the term isn't the scientific one.  Glassy means
something that cooled quickly enough that it didn't have time to crystalize
and
is instead, on the atomic level, an amorphous mess.

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Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!

2007-01-08 Thread Mark

Kevin,

It is good to know we have attracted at least one expert in Nut Jobs. It is 
good to have you.

I do not remember anyone requiring me to be a part of this list so I doubt 
anyone is forcing you to stay.

If you do not like the conversations and goings on on this list just GO THE 
HELL AWAY. 

There now I got to shout too.

Mark M.
  - Original Message - 
  From: kevin decker 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
  Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 12:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!


  What I see is This:..You Nutjobs..have Attracted a Nut job..What With all the 
constant argueing,carrying on etc..Anybody can join this list..n sit n 
watch..you guys take this CRAP to the Exteremes!!!..WHY DONT YOU ALL GROW THE 
HELL UP!!!...Damn!..My BestKevin.






From:  Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:  Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC:  Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject:  Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
Date:  Sat, 06 Jan 2007 22:46:07 -0800
Greg,
 I think I know who it is. We'll get him in Tucson..
 (JOKE!) Not cool to joke around about murder  mayhem.
Sorry.
 I agree with what others have said - I have no doubt some people
will take this scam seriously and be quite emotionally wracked
by it. This is NOT merely playing on people's ignorance addressing
their greed, cartoon religious beliefs or desire to help someone
in a desperate situation - this addresses fear with an implication
of deadly force.
 I was astonished the FBI told me, Oh, it's just one of those
scamsjust delete it. I guess the guy on the phone isn't worried
about an immense law suit from a surviving family. If there are
a LOT of these, one of the people will just randomly be killed
in an accident or even die in a mysterious way - and I can just
see a family suing this dude and the FBI. At least the San Diego
Police took a report. I reported it mainly in hopes that SOMEONE
in the DA's office or FBI will at some point in time go on a mission to
hunt this guy down like the dog he is and the more incidences that
can be documented the better the likelihood of a lengthy prison visit
where he could be some big bad dude's bitch. Maybe they could
put him in the same cell block as nit wits who spread computer
viruses. Mix them all in with hardened killers.
 Well, anyway, enough of that. Sorry for the digression. Threats
have always put me in a bad mood.
 Best wishes, Michael



on 1/6/07 8:41 AM, Greg Hupe at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hello Michael and List,
 
  I received the same email yesterday but had deleted it after reading the
  first couple words. After Michael posted his scam email, I went back and
  re-read it. They were the same. So Michael, I guess we better get 
together
  and eliminate this jackass first before he/she takes a hammer to our
  kneecaps, puts electrodes to our privates (with a splash of water for 
good
  measure) and breaks our piggy banks looking for those riches.
 
  This goofball must have gotten our email addresses from the list and I
  suspect other members probably received the same request for the
  charitable payoff, or will soon.
 
  Looking for a bigger hammer...
  Greg
 
  
  Greg Hupe
  The Hupe Collection
  NaturesVault (eBay)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  www.LunarRock.com
  IMCA 3163
  
 
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Meteorite List Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Sent: Friday, January 05, 2007 10:58 PM
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the ULTRA scam!
 
 
  Hay guys (and gals),
 Is this THE ultra scam, or what? Of course, I will be contacting
  the local police and FBI. If I disappear - guess it wasn't a scam!
 Not laughing in San Diego - Michael
  --
  Attention ,
 
  I Want you to read this message very carefully, and keep the secret
  with
  you till further notice, You have no need of knowing who i am, where am
  from,till i make out a space for us to  see, i have being paid $ 50,
  000.00 in advance to terminate you with some reasons listed to me by my
  employer,its one i believe you call a friend and someone you do
  business
  everyday with,i have followed you closely for  days now and have seen
  that you are innocent of the accusetion,Do not contact the police or
  try
  to send a copy of this to them, because if you do i will know, and
  might
  be pushed to do what i have being paid to do,beside this the

Re: [meteorite-list] Irons DON'T form Fusion Crust's... was Iron Falls NJ

2007-01-08 Thread Jason Utas


Hello Eman, All,
Firstly, if one determines fusion crust to be made of siliceous material,
that, as far as I'm concerned, is up to them - irons most certainly form a
thin skin of magnetite (not loosely adhering, sorry, but about as hard to
peel off as that of a stone, if not more so) that most clearly displays flow
features, roll over lips, and froth as well as those seen on their stony
counterparts.  If one chooses not to call this fusion crust, I fail to see
the reason for calling any such feature a fusion crust, and not a cooled
siliceous crust.
The layer formed on your average iron while still at speed up there is most
certainly fused, and is definitely a crust.  If you wish to call it
something else, that's up to you - I'll agree with Buchwald and Nininger on
this one and call it 'fusion crust.'

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN1330.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/dscn1570-damngood.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN1315.jpg


Furthermore, if you'd like pictures of an evident widmanstatten pattern on a
torn meteorite face, look no further:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f306/JUtas/DSCN1317.jpg

-A ~4 kg mas of Ziz (NWA 854), which fits perfectly onto the ~20kg mass (the
sides are only slightly fused over), both of which exhibit clear figures,
though they may be somewhat coarse (it's a coarse octahedrite...).
It's a clear octahedral pattern.  Call it what you like, the photo's not
great (I was fortunate enough to take these a number of months ago), and
even I can still see it.  Those are octahedral structures, just as you'd see
if you broke a piece of optical calcite (the crystal form is different, I
know, but the principal is the same).  Don't worry, I don't lie to the list
- and if I make a comment such as that, I *can* back it up with pictures ;)

There are also a few Taza's (NWA 859) around the show some nice 3D torn
surfaces with such crystalline features, though I think they're due to the
kamacite needles within them being structural weaknesses - where they occur
in bands, the iron might have a bit of a weak spot.  See:

http://www.arizonaskiesmeteorites.com/AZ_Skies_Links/Etched_Meteorites/Etched_Taza/512gEtched_Taza/index.html


This is a perfect example of such a layer of kamacite needles, though I'm
feeling a bit lazy now to actually snap some photos (it's a quarter past two
in the morning...I get a break here) of a nice torn surface.

Reheated zones, which you briefly, and incorrectly mention, as layers a mere
few microns thick, are typically a number of millimeters in thickness.
Tafrawet (NWA 860) in particular had a spectacular example of this, but just
grab your nearest fresh iron slice and have a look...again, it's
two...twenty in the morning now, and there's no way I'm taking new photos
for this argument that could so easily be resolved by any number of books on
the subject.

You can play with semantics as much as you like - it doesn't change the
nature of things...
Regards,
Jason




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Someone wrote:
...recovered recently after falling had been
beautifully fusion crusted, ...(snip)
Why anyone should doubt the existence of fusion crust
on a freshly fallen iron is beyond me - have a look at
Cabin Creek if you want proof that it still forms on
smallish irons falling at terminal velocity.(sic)

No I am not wacky. I am a purist trying to save this
hobby from choking on a long-accepted, urban myth.
(Just kidding folks, I am only trying to save some of
you.)

OK, let me reverse it, when shown otherwise, Why
would anyone continue to claim that freshly fallen
irons typically show a fusion crust?  We say this
over and over but never stop to consider what the term
actually means.  We use fusion crust because
fundamentally we don't, as a collective, bother to
understand fusion crusts in the first place.  Heck,
half of you think the weathered chalky ocher surface
of a W10 NWA is fusion crusted ,to read your Ebay
ads.

Here is the technical point explained ... a
(meteoritical) fusion crust is a thin glassy coating
(NOTE it is composed of GLASS).  Owing to effects of
atmosphere and composition, fusion crusts may be
knobby, striated, ribbed, net, porous, warty, or
scoriaceous(bubbly)  (Glossary of Geology, American
Geological Institute,2nd Ed)  To be composed of glass
it must have a silicate content which can be
vitrified; that is turned amorphous/glassy by
melting/fusing(the technical term is fused or fusing)
; and that is the operative word in the phrase fusion
crust.

Everyday, normal, common Irons do not contain silicate
in sufficient quantity to make glass and thus form a
FUSION CRUST;  A silicated iron might, a pallasite
could, a mesosiderite should-- but not an
Iron/Siderite. While a technical point, it is a valid
and important distinction to note that the post flight
surface of an iron is different from that of
meteorites containing silicates.

Irons do not have a fusion crust. They may have

Re: [meteorite-list] Missing Tucson this year

The hotel prices its a problem in all mineral
showswhy you not come in Bologna Show in March?

Matteo

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 Dear List Members,
 
 
 
 If anybody cares, I will NOT be attending the Tucson
 show this year. 
 Although it used to be the number one show on my
 list, it no longer holds 
 this title for me for several reasons, mainly the
 lack of decent 
 accommodations.
 
 
 
 It seems for the last several years, some cheesy
 motel/hotel rips us off. We 
 book online at $140.00 plus a night for what was
 advertised as a two-star 
 facility just to find out it when we get there that
 it is some crack-user 
 infested shack that should be condemned. Two years
 ago, the Econo Lodge 
 tried to rip us off for nearly a $1,000.00 by
 charging my credit card even 
 though we refused to stay in this falsely advertised
 hell hole.  They tacked 
 on an extra night before we even arrived in Tucson
 to make the theft 
 complete. I used to stay by the airport but the
 hotels have now raised their 
 prices to $250.00 a night.  I could stay in a
 five-star hotel in the 
 Caribbean for half this amount, come on, we are
 talking about Tucson here! 
 The only other show I have been to where the hotels
 jack up their prices 
 this much is Las Vegas and I refuse to pay $250.00 a
 night for a $50.00 a 
 night room just because I am attending a convention.
 
 
 
 I was going to come down this year with my RV but
 decided it was not worth 
 the risk going through the passes which are buried
 in snow and ice.  This 
 time of year, the coastal route is far too windy and
 time consuming to 
 hardly make it worth the effort.  At 53' front to
 back, the winds would 
 cause havoc with my setup as anybody with any road
 time with a rig will tell 
 you.  I will wait until late winter when I can spend
 months in the field 
 searching California before putting any of my
 equipment in jeopardy.
 
 
 
 I added up my receipts from last year's Tucson show
 and decided it would be 
 cheaper to attend the show in Germany, something I
 have yet to try and look 
 forward to.
 
 
 
 For those who will be attending the show, have a
 great time and stay away 
 from the Econo Lodge!  I will forward some money to
 my brother, Greg who 
 will be to pay off the margaritas and beers I owe on
 the Moss meteorite lost 
 wagers.
 
 
 
 All the Best,
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Amazing impact-melt Eucrite!

and the same I not want trade historical material for
a NWA eucrite...

Matteo

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 I want seen who give 200$/gr. for a NWA eucrite
 when
 with similar money I have historical eucrites seen
 fallen
 
 Matteo
 
 Yes Matteo, but they don't look like this one
 either.   Different people collect different things.
   I like shock melts.   I paid $200/gm for this in
 2005 and don't regret it a bit.   Yes it would have
 been nice if there were hundreds of kilos and the
 price was $10/gm, but in 18 months I haven't seen
 anything to match it.  And no I wouldn't trade it
 for one of your old historical falls even at twice
 the value.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Amazing impact-melt Eucrite!

I want seen who give 200$/gr. for a NWA eucrite when
with similar money I have historical eucrites seen
fallen

Matteo

--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto:

 I remember when NWA 2910 first came back from
 cutting.  I went over to Mike's
 to paw through all the slices.   I have always been
 partial to impact melts
 and this is a real beauty.   I had a hard time
 picking out which slice I wanted,   
 they were all pretty amazing.   At the time it still
 wasn't known if it was lunar or a 
 eucrite so I had to wait a couple weeks to take it
 home.  Fortunately for my pocket 
 book (but not for Mike and Jim) it turned out to be
 a eucrite.  Definately a special meteorite. 
 
 --
 Eric Olson
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  Norbert Classen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 =
 Mike wrote:
 
  http://www.meteoriteguy.com/catalog/nwa2910.htm 
 
  Check this one out, rivers of melt just got a
 new
  posterboy of a meteorite to show.
 
 I agree, that's certainly one of the most beautiful
 eucrites I've ever seen,
 and it's even better in person. I've seen the entire
 stone back in 2005, and
 I bought one of the first full slices of this
 beauty, more than a year ago.
 I'm still very happy with that baby - you just got
 to love it with all the
 vesicles in the melt-flow!
 
 Best,
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nogata Meteorite

I have 3 type of photos on books of Nogata,
unfortunately its visible the matrix of the book
paper.

Matteo

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 Hi Peter,
 The only image I have seen of it was in a
 video about meteorites.
 For those in the peanut gallery, it is the stone
 that fell  May 19, 861ad.
 in Nogata, Japan, crashing through the roof of a
 monastery of Buddhist
 monks. It is the oldest documented hammer I know of.
 I believe not one
 single mg has ever been made available to any one or
 any institution. It
 is highly revered by the monks, supposedly because
 it is considered to
 have fallen from heaven. (Such reported beliefs are
 often ethnocentrically
 biased and/or involve misinterpretations in
 translation  - so, who can say
 how/what the monks REALLY think of it) - in any
 event, it is highly
 regarded and absolutely none of the material has
 ever been available).
 In the video, a monk brought out the box in
 which it is kept and
 the video was quite clear, as the interviewer and
 the monk were outside
 in the courtyard. It was larger than a golf ball but
 smaller than a
 baseball. 
 If you do discover a still photo of it, I
 would much appreciate if
 you let me know of it, as I am working on a book
 about hammers. Right
 now all I have depictions of are mostly the 40 or 45
 I have for sale. As
 rare as some of them are, I would say Nogata takes
 the cake, as it is
 TOTALLY unavailable.
 Good luck, Michael
 
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  Hi,
  
  I hope someone can help me. I am looking for a
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  Meteorite that I can use in a powerpoint
 presentation.
  
  Thanks,
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Jersey Metal Object Identified As A Meteorite


--- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha
scritto:

 The family has not yet given permission for physical
 testing of the
 meteorite, but from looking at it, Dr. Delaney and
 other experts were
 able to tell that the object it had been part of -
 perhaps an asteroid -
 cooled relatively fast.

ohhh what strange...and why not want testing the piece?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Hi ALL!!!

2007-01-08 Thread Christian Anger

Welcome Serge !

Glad to have you here again,

All the best,

Christian

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Hello Everyone:
 
I'm happy to return to the meteorite-list. 
Hope you did not forget me.
I with you all THE BEST in THE NEW 2007 !!! And METEORITES will join us again!
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Strangest link between life on earth and mars yet!

2007-01-08 Thread Sterling K. Webb

Hi, Gerry,

 How big is nano again, one billionth of a ---?

One billionth of a meter, or one millionth of a millimeter,
so if you had nanobacteria that were 100 nm long, it would
take 10,000 of them, head to tail (assuming they had heads or
tails), to span one millimeter. A wavelength of visible light
would be 400 nm to 770 nm (depending on its color), so a
100 nm nanobacteria would be about 1/6 the width of one
wavelength of yellow light. (Do you suppose they surf?)
There is a smaller unit, the angstrom, which is one
ten-billionth of a meter, or ten times smaller. We're talking
SMALL here -- individual atoms range from five angstroms
(hydrogen) up to about 15 angstroms in size (lead). Figure
atoms at one nm +/- half an nm. So a 100 nm critter is
at most only 200 atoms wide and could only contain about
8 million small atoms if it were a sphere.
A simple organic molecule, like cooking oil, is about
20 angstroms across; that's 2 nm. We can measure that
molecular size in our backyards, by the way, by placing
a tiny drop of oil of known volume on the surface of a big
calm pool of water and waiting for it to spread out as far
as it can go, then divide the known volume by the area
of the oil-slick, which is only one molecule thick.
Neat trick, eh? Who thought of that?
Benjamin Franklin...
Most viruses are 10 nm to 100 nm, but the record-holder
is 400 nm, or bigger than some bacteria.
Most bacteria range from 200 nm (the very tiniest) up
to big nasty ones at 2000 nm.
Helpful little animals like yeast cells (there are 600+
species of yeast) are 2000 nm, no bigger than a bacterium,
up to 15,000 nm.
Cells of protozoa like amoeba are 20,000 to 30,000 nm
across, but every once in a while an ameoba may grow
to 4,000,000 nm across --- that's 4 mm and almost big
enough to have a sit-down talk with! (If they had anything
to say...)
Protozoa like paramecium are very complicated creatures.
Even though they are only one cell, they have specialized
cellular structures that function as gullets, stomachs, excretory
organs, and legs. They have an interesting sex life and
probably have more to say than that amoeba... The many
paramecium species range from less than 100,000 nm up
to as much as 500,000 nm, or big enough to see with the
naked eye (well, your eyes, maybe; mine are not quite
that good).
One of your own 100,000 billion human body cells is
on average, about 10,000 nm across and weighs, on average,
about one nanogram, less if you're skinny.
And, me, I'm about 1,775,000,000 nm tall.

Does that put things in perspective?


Sterling K. Webb
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- Original Message - 
From: Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Strangest link between life on earth and mars 
yet!


 The relatively recent acceptence of germs required a revolution in the 
 medical community ushering in the modern norm where cleanliness became the 
 imperative. So it seems plausible that self-replicating nano things might 
 make modern science balk.

 How big is nano again, one billionth of a---?

 Jerry Flaherty


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Re: [meteorite-list] a fossil in this meteorite?

Hello Joe,

It appears to me to be a large pyroxene chondrule. Perhaps two pushed 
together. It would be easier to see in a thin section.

Mark Bostick
www.meteoritearticles.com


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