Re: [meteorite-list] Unknown Meteorite
Looks very much like our Acfer 329: http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/images/b7/bb007-slice1-legende.jpg Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 4:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Unknown Meteorite This NWA is a mystery to me. Look familiar to anyone? http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/t20.html Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re-2: real men meteorites
Hello José, Martin, List: OLD WOMAN METEORITE (Sky Telescope, Vol. 54-3, Sep 1997, p. 192): A three-ton meteorite recently discovered in the Old Woman Mountains of California is the second largest ever found in the United States, outranked only by the 16-ton Willamette, Oregon, meteorite known since 1902. The Old Woman fall is a mass of nickel-iron weighing 6,080 pounds (2,758 kilograms) and measuring 4-by-3-by-21/2 feet (1.2-by-0.9-by-0.8 meters), according to newspaper accounts. It fell, presumably several centuries ago, in an inaccessible desert area 170 miles east of Los Angeles. There it was spotted in March, 1976, by three gold prospectors. They sent chips to the Griffith Observatory and the University of California at Los Angeles, where the meteoritic nature of the object was confirmed. Word of the discovery reached Roy S. Clarke, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. The U.S. Bureau of Land Management determined that the find had been made on federal land, and gave possession of the meteorite to the Smithsonian. The nickel-iron mass lay wedged among boulders up a dry wash between two mountain slopes. On June 17th, the meteorite was airlifted from this spot by U.S. Marine Corps helicopter, which carried it seven miles to the nearest road. Until the end of June, the Old Woman meteorite was on public display at Riverside, California, and then it was sent to the Smithsonian Institution for scientific study. FUTRELL D.S.(1998) My visit with the Old Woman (Meteorite!, Feb 98, Vol. 4-1, pp. 34-35). NORTON O.R. (1994) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space I, 1994, pp.252-255). NORTON O.R. (1998) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space II, 1994, pp.252-255, 214). Best regards, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 21, 2007
This has been a great parade of the variety from Sikhote-Alin! It really does help to imagine the tumultuous event that it was. ...any with mini impact craters? Cheers, Pete From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 21, 2007 Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 23:43:12 EST http://www.spacerocksinc.com/February_21.html BRBRBR**BR Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Find out the restaurants participating in Winterlicious http://local.live.com/default.aspx?v=2cp=43.658648~-79.383962style=rlvl=15tilt=-90dir=0alt=-1000scene=3702663cid=7ABE80D1746919B4!1329 From January 26 to February 8, 2007 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteoriute Fall in New Hampshire
In looking at the list archives I recalled this article about unknown low lights and rumblings in the sky over Maine [seen about 100 miles from here] on the same night this hole appeared in the pond. Encouraging, don't you think? http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2007-February/031828.html Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Earthweek: A diary of the planet
Listoids, In the current Earthweek by Steve Newman, he mentions a meteor death in India (an event we have discussed here). This being an educational feature for children, I decided to contact the author and have pointed out the dynamics of a meteor fall and why it can't cause a death on the ground. I realize this is nit picky but this is a syndicated publication which reaches many people both kids and adults so I would like to see them use the correct terminology being an educational feature. Back when the list here started he had some wrong concepts regarding meteorites and I contacted him and he was nice enough to acknowledge them. However he didn't take notes and publicized incorrect information a few months after my contacting him about the very incorrect information he had before. It is my hope, if he mentions this again he will make the necessary changes for his readers and we won't have to do so much correcting in the future. We all make mistakes and appreciate it when constructive advise is given. I know I do and hope to see more meteorite information in his column. Best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Earthweek: A diary of the planet
Listoids, Forgot to mention you can view the article here: http://www.earthweek.com/ AL Mitterling Mitterling Meteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re-2: real men meteorites
Good Morning All, here is another URL from Rob Matson back in February 2001. http://www.meteorobs.org/maillist/msg20929.html I have actual pictures of me sitting next to the meteorite in Barstow! Check it out if you are in the area! Its pretty neat! With best regards, Moni Bernd wrote: On June 17th, the meteorite was airlifted from this spot by U.S. Marine Corps helicopter, which carried it seven miles to the nearest road. Until the end of June, the Old Woman meteorite was on public display at Riverside, California, and then it was sent to the Smithsonian Institution for scientific study. FUTRELL D.S.(1998) My visit with the Old Woman (Meteorite!, Feb 98, Vol. 4-1, pp. 34-35). NORTON O.R. (1994) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space I, 1994, pp.252-255). NORTON O.R. (1998) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space II, 1994, pp.252-255, 214). _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more .then map the best route! http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1FORM=MGAC01 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2-18-07 Update on Walter Branch
good evening all; i hope walter will recover rapidely and be fine soon, i for myslelf here in morroco we pray for him. and also i wish iris lang to recover from her hearth attack and to be back to us soon. like i told to a friend lately , meteorite bring a lot of happyness and luck to us so i m hoping every one will be fine. all the best aziz De: Moni Waiblinger-Seabridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] A: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Objet: Re: [meteorite-list] 2-18-07 Update on Walter Branch Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:47:23 -0800 Good Morning All, this is excellent news! We will continue to pray for him and his recovery! I am sure your loving family is a wonderful help to him and him wanting to get well very soon. With best regards, Moni From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] 2-18-07 Update on Walter Branch Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 08:09:40 -0500 Good News! Walter is still on the ventilator but breathing more on his own. He still has an infection but seems to be responding to the antibiotics. He is receiving nourishment through his NG tube and his stomach is tolerating it. Please continue to keep him in your prayers. Sabrina Branch _ Find a local pizza place, movie theater, and more?.then map the best route! a href=http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag1FORM=MGAC01http://maps.live.com/?ici d=hmtag1FORM=MGAC01/a/prepre__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com a href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pair list.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list/a __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco
this is the same person have take in turnme, Elliott and others, not take nothing Matteo --- adrar fossile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dwarf Planet 'Becoming A Comet' (2003 EL61)
Hello Rob, All, Comets are generally considered to be a thin layer of rocky material over a lot of volatites, the complete opposite. I could well be wrong on this. Virgin comets are unusually bright on their first perihelion passage. One theory is that the surface volatiles ar vapourised away leaving this outer layer of dark material. This would suggest that if EL61 is indeed, becoming a comet, this is it's first journey inward which seems most unlikely. And yet, this would all depend on the amount of hydrovolcanism on the surface of the body itself - if there were enough activity to completely resurface the2003 EL61 with ice since it experienced it's great impact, what's to say it hasn't been resurfaced since its last close perihelion? I know that some comets have geysers of their own...is there any data around that tells us how long it might take for any particular comet (I know many would be different) to completely resurface itself with ice and thus enter the inner solar system brighter than when it had last left? Regards, Jason On 2/3/07, Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies for taking selected bits. Hope it's not out of context. --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ''2003 EL61 is a very bright body, reflecting 70% of the light that falls on it, and it is indeed, as you would suspect from this brightness, covered with water ice. BUT, it's not old water ice, but new, freshly fallen crystalline ice, otherwise known on our planet as snow'' Curiously, Halley's comet has an abledo of less than 4%, less than that of coal or black velvet. While Halley is not necessarily typical of comets, it is agreed that comets are very dark objects. Nucleus[nuclei] sizes have been estimated by removing modelled coma brightnesses from Hubble images and for nearby comets radar measurements seem to confirm the low albedo. Cometary dust may begin as silicate grained materials mantled with organic matter. To this hundreds of 0.01micron ice particles may form from a protosolar nebula into .5micron grains. These cluster into loose agglomerates which end up being part of the coma of comets. The evidence for this theory is the particles swept up by high altitude research planes [18km up] believed to be cometary in nature. This being the case it explains the brightness of the coma and -might I suggest- the brightness of EL61. It need not be covered in ice, just covered in this cometary 'snow' ''Now, we come to the Giant Comet Notion. Obviously, 2003 EL61's ice is a surface feature, a thin layer of volatiles over what is essentially a rocky body.'' Comets are generally considered to be a thin layer of rocky material over a lot of volatites, the complete opposite. I could well be wrong on this. Virgin comets are unusually bright on their first perihelion passage. One theory is that the surface volatiles ar vapourised away leaving this outer layer of dark material. This would suggest that if EL61 is indeed, becoming a comet, this is it's first journey inward which seems most unlikely. Also, comets sublimating ices have a temperature of 230K. Virgin comets can achieve this much farther out than comets on subsequent passes. This is because the dark silicate layer protects the icy material, insulating it. Only when the comet gets much closer does the heat conduct in to cause the sublimation of the ices. However, I doubt anyone would suggest EL61 has a surface temperature of 200K. There has to be an alternative explanation. Sorry the reply so lengthy. I just don't think EL61 can be cometary in nature. One other think caught my attention in this post '' A mere 10% decrease would lower the planetary temperature by 7 degrees C'' I thought the difference between aphelion and perihelion in earth's orbit made a 7% difference in solar intensity. Does anyone have a guess as to how long a change need apply for to effect earth? I suspect not Rob McC Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite fall - Seismic data epicenter parameters
If anyone is interested in this kind of information, I have seismic data that was sent to me by my friends at the Peruvian Geophysical Institute (IGP). The data is from 6 separate seismic stations on the Peruvian network that recorded the earthquake on the Feb 2, 2004 meteorite fall at the exact time the people of Castillo witnessed the event. Randall Dear Profesor I am send to the data of earthquake-meteorite in ascii format Hernando ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - De: Henry Salas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 27 de junio de 2006 8:36 Para: Hernando_Tavera Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Jhony, Adjunto los registros del dia 02-02-2004 17:30 Hrs GMT. Hora del impacto del meteorito. Los registros estan en formato ascii y corresponden a las estaciones de SGR, TOQ, LYA, CUS, CVE y MISTI. Henry - Original Message - From: Hernando_Tavera To: 'Henry Salas' Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: RV: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Henry Por favor necesitamos las formas de onda del registro del meteorito solo de las estciones que lo registraron. En ascii seria bien HT ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Dr. Hernando Tavera, Thank you very much for the seismic data. I apologize for not responding to you sooner but we have been travelling and working on family business. I hope everything is well with you. Best Regards, Randall Gregory - Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco
and if this is a lunar meteorite I am Mother Teresa of Calcutta Matteo --- adrar fossile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus
Geeze, boggy creek all over again! DF Bill wrote: I'm glad I never bothered to follow this thread. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:35:43 -0800 (PST) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] venusmeteorite - Space slag, Boggy creek, Alien gems, Frass marble traders. What a circus I would like to thank those people that responded to my questions. I am thinking of retiring from the list for short time to finish my research and have the impact crater registered. I need to devote my time elsewhere.To the people that have provided encouragement, support and would like further updates, Email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and I'll send them off-list. I will keep my promise of payment for identical photos of my samples, but I am now not actively soliciting them. I am growing increasingly frustrated and need to regain my composure. So far, nobody has ever answered my basic question What definitive testing will prove space weathering. Recently, a meteorite dealer told me that pictures of my samples were sandstone covered by desert varnish even after I told him that the rocks were basaltic and geologists at the National University in Peru have never seen rocks like this. I've seen desert varnish many many times on my searches for fossilized Megalodon teeth in the Peruvian desert. Peruvian geologists are highly trained and well respected. This and other insults from meteorite dealers made me realize that alot of people are just marble traders and have little scientific knowledge or formal training. Some found meteorite trading profitable and others it's just an off-shoot of their main business of minerals and fossils. Some took their weekend excursions into strewn fields armed with metal detectors and found some meteorites to sell on e-bay. I mean no disrespect to any collectors with a genuine interest and appreciation of meteorites. I find them fascinating. You can sense my frustration. I agree that most know their marbles. Hey, I have a steelie, wanna trade. Yo, I have a peral-lie for sale. Wanna see a picture of a shooter? ooohhh I've got a cat's eye. So, along comes a guy with something a bit unusual. Hey, I found something and I'll call it a spark-lie for now. It looks like your marbles, rolls like your marbles, but I can't prove that it's a marble. Can you help me find out what it is? I'll even give you one for free. And alot of the marble players say sorry you can't play in our game with your unknown marbles and we're too busy buying and trading to help you. Buzz off. There has been speculation resulting from artificial ablation studies on terrestrial rocks that some meteorites may have a clear or transparent fusion crust. Hey, we now have a clear-rie! What marble dealer would recognize this as a marble? You know, I even offered to send (post-paid) a free sample to some dealers and never received a reply. I've read enough, and I'm done with dealers. Dealers reporting stolen meteorites then selling the missing meteorites to absentee bidders. The eBay scams, alien gemstones, space slag, dishonest dealers, and people looking only to profit has tainted my view somewhat of the people involved in the meteorite field. Some of you might recall the story of a well-known meteorite dealer that was accused of stealing a very valuable meteorite (considered to be a national treasure) from a museum in Brazil. He was apprehended at the airport with the meteorite in his luggage... Other people have e-mailed me and said my website www.venusmeteorite.com http://www.venusmeteorite.com/ was very nice. IT IS NOT MY WEBSITE!!! and I never claimed my samples were from Venus. I repeat, my samples are identical to the ones found on venusmeteorite.com. That's all. I don't have a website. What a circus. I realized that the people that I should be talking to are volcanologists (neck-deep in lava, so to speak). They can give me a real expert opinion on basaltic rocks. So I am now taking the opposite approach. If volcanologists have never seen rocks like this and geologists have never seen rocks like this, then... guess what? If it can't be found on Earth then ... The response I've received from the people in the field of volcanology has been fantastic. They've requested samples, and will make 40 micron slices. They will be sending samples to other universities and another to friends at the Smithsonian Institution for further analysis and expert opinion. This is the type of response I was hoping from the meteorite community but never received. I received a great deal of ridicule. The exception are the few scientists that helped answer some of my questions. To them, my thanks
[meteorite-list] Peruvian meteorite fall - Seismic data epicenter parameters
If anyone is interested in this kind of information, I have seismic data that was sent to me by my friends at the Peruvian Geophysical Institute (IGP). The data is from 6 separate seismic stations on the Peruvian network that recorded the earthquake on the Feb 2, 2004 meteorite fall at the exact time the people of Castillo witnessed the event. Randall Dear Profesor I am send to the data of earthquake-meteorite in ascii format Hernando ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - De: Henry Salas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: martes, 27 de junio de 2006 8:36 Para: Hernando_Tavera Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Jhony, Adjunto los registros del dia 02-02-2004 17:30 Hrs GMT. Hora del impacto del meteorito. Los registros estan en formato ascii y corresponden a las estaciones de SGR, TOQ, LYA, CUS, CVE y MISTI. Henry - Original Message - From: Hernando_Tavera To: 'Henry Salas' Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 4:21 PM Subject: RV: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Henry Por favor necesitamos las formas de onda del registro del meteorito solo de las estciones que lo registraron. En ascii seria bien HT ___ Dr. Hernando Tavera Director de CNDG-Sismologìa Instituto Geofisico del Perù Calle Badajoz 169 Urb. Mayorazgo IV Etapa - Ate - Lima Telf: 317-2308 - Asunto: Re: Epicentral parameters Arequipa meteorite Dr. Hernando Tavera, Thank you very much for the seismic data. I apologize for not responding to you sooner but we have been travelling and working on family business. I hope everything is well with you. Best Regards, Randall Gregory - Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Yahoo! Mail Beta.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2-18-07 Update on Walter Branch
That's great news Sabrina! Walter will fight this, no problem and will be with you at home hopefully very soon! Sending positive waves your way! ;) Gaetan 2007/2/19, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good News! Walter is still on the ventilator but breathing more on his own. He still has an infection but seems to be responding to the antibiotics. He is receiving nourishment through his NG tube and his stomach is tolerating it. Please continue to keep him in your prayers. Sabrina Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Gaetan Cormier Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://eps.utk.edu/ifsg.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metal Detecting (off topic)
This has nothing to do with meteorites, but I know there's a fair number of treasure hunters on this list. My brother sent me this short message yesterday. I got a kick out of it and perhaps others will to. GeoZay - Well I went Metal detecting this afternoon. Had to Climb over the 6' fence, I felt old after that. Found two more rings today, for a total of 15 sofar. One has a small stone set in a gold ring, the other was a class ring from 1972. It had 10K printed inside and A big letter G on the face. also, I found a gold medallion that had Kings Treasure Medallion Lic, with a shield on the front. It looked really good until you turn it over and seen the words LEGOLAND , made in China. It's about 2 in diameter. And the rest of the finds was about $3.78 in nickel, dime, and quarters. Well it's time to kick back. see you later bubba. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN
Micheal, Thanks for sharing those beautiful photos with us. Congrats on the great new addition to your collection. It is cool that it landed at your home 60 yrs to the date. Joe kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 8:58:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] SIKHOTE-ALIN Congratulations Michael! Your newest Sikhote-Alin is a stunning specimen. Best, John Gwilliam At 01:08 PM 2/18/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear list members, After posting several photos of list members sikhote-alin specimens I wanted to share this with all of you. http://spacerocksinc.com/SA10400.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACE ROCKS, INC. http://www.spacerocksinc.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite holidays??
Hi, I have been asked if I know anyone who runs meteorite related holidays? I.e perhaps meteorite hunting trips in their locality etc, trips around craters etc etc. If you do, or know of anyone who perhaps you would let me know off list, and I will forward your contact details on to the person concerned. Cheers, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for a good picture of an Etched Nantan Slice
david, Here is one. I think it looks great. Joe Kerchner illinoismeteorites.com - Original Message From: David Kitt Deyarmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 6:43:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Looking for a good picture of an Etched Nantan Slice If anyone has one please send it to me via email or if it's on the web send me the URL Thanks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with the Yahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/shortcuts/#news__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for desert varnish
I am studying the mineralogy and chemistry of desert varnish from the southwestern USA. I am eager to study similar varnish from deserts world-wide. The varnish that I am interested in forms on rocks from desert pavements and is typically dark black, sometimes shiny. Note, I am not particularly interested in the red varnish, which has a different mineralogy and chemistry from the black varnish. So, does anyone have any meteorwrongs from known locations from Africa, Middle East, Mongolia?, or Australia that they are willing to part with. I do not need large samples, small pebbles or cobbles are big enough. Important though is a known location for the sample. If anyone has samples they are willing to part with, then please email me privately. Thank you in advance. Laurence --- Laurence A.J. Garvie School of Earth and Space Exploration Arizona State University email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nickel silicide ...
Hi, Anyone got any pics/info on 'Nickel Silicide' in meteorites (esp. as found in Enstatites)? Cheers Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metbase - Meteorite Database
Anyone have this? Use it? Like it? Worthwhile? Want it? Comments. http://www.metbase.de/description/index.html - Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in New Hampshire
The Beagle 2 lander is still missing. Could it be the British Beagle 2 lander returned to earth, only to land in a manmade pond in New Hampshire, USA? Gary, let us know if you see a metal arm sticking out of the ice hole, waving around, as the other end is stuck in the mud, desperately trying to free itself and get on with the martian mission. And call the Brits asap, as they are still wondering what happened to the Beagle 2. Cheers, Fred Hall ** Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in New Hampshire
Hello Gary, It would be so cool for you if you end up with a stone! I think that if you find something, expect something in the 4 or 5 inches in diameter, considering that this was freshly fallen snow, it was also pretty cold lately so that snow must be fluffy so easily moved by an entering stone... Hey! if it's bigger it's even better! ;) We should name it: Frozen Pond :) Gaetan Cormier Member of the Impact Field Studies Group http://eps.utk.edu/ifsg.htm 2007/2/20, Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Does anyone know if there was any space junk scheduled to re-enter over the northeast US on the 14th? Trying to eliminate possibilities as I plan tomorrow's hunt. Got lots of equipment together and divers standing by. Could be fun! Historic if it is a meteorite! __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for desert varnish
I am studying the mineralogy and chemistry of desert varnish from the southwestern USA. I am eager to study similar varnish from deserts world-wide. The varnish that I am interested in forms on rocks from desert pavements and is typically dark black, sometimes shiny. Note, I am not particularly interested in the red varnish, which has a different mineralogy and chemistry from the black varnish. So, does anyone have any meteorwrongs from known locations from Africa, Middle East, Mongolia?, or Australia that they are willing to part with. I do not need large samples, small pebbles or cobbles are big enough. Important though is a known location for the sample. If anyone has samples they are willing to part with, then please email me privately. Thank you in advance. Laurence --- Laurence A.J. Garvie School of Earth and Space Exploration Arizona State University email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nitol
Been reading some posts regarding etching I believe the term from the science of metallography is Nital...NOT Nitol. The al is the first part of alcohol, just as the Nit is the first part of Nitric. This incorrect terminology has been perpetuated for some time now. F. - Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Met in New Hampshire?
The Beagle 2 lander is still missing. Could it be the British Beagle 2 lander returned to earth, only to land in a man-made pond in New Hampshire, USA? Gary, let us know if you see a metal arm sticking out of the ice hole, waving around, as the other end is stuck in the mud, desperately trying to free itself and get on with the martian mission. And call the Brits asap, as they are still wondering what happened to the Beagle 2 lander. Cheers, Fred Hall ** Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wichita Lawn Garden Show, Meteorite Display
Hello All, The local lawn and garden show is a week away (Feb. 28th - March 4th). The Kansas Meteorite Society, along with the Wichita Gem and Mineral Society, will be manning a booth in the education section, the entire week. http://www.wichitagardenshow.com/ We will be handing out pamphlets along with showing and describing meteorites to the 50,000 in attendance. 10% of the Americans have gardens (I read that somewhat?) and most have a small interest in rocks. I should be able to arrange a couple radio spots to tell people they can bring rocks in to be looked at. Among the display, I will bring along my microscope with a thin section of NWA 998. Being a Mars meteorites, and really colorful under polarized light, it always seems to be of interest to the general public. I have kind of a small green thumb, so perhaps I can pick up a few tips and products for my own house, so I am looking forward to the show. If anyone will be in town, please let me know. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites for sale (azrou)
Hi List I think that list owner should check his options and remove possibility to send to the list ANY attachments with the mail mesages or set a size limit to 100kb/message. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay Auction during the Chinese Spring Festival
Hi listoids, I'd take a break during the Chinese Spring Festival. Hence, i listed just two pieces of tektites on eBay, one weighted 120 Grams, the other 199 Grams. Nice features and high qualities are guaranteed. Http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcommonQ5fmurre Hope you guys like them:-) Thanks for looking and best wishes to all! Regards Miss Ma Lan Beijng, China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: MORE THAN 200 NWA's ENDING NOW ON EBAY
Last week I took advantage of ebays half price listing day to list a huge discounts the remainder of my old website meteorites as I start moving everything over to my new ecommerce site. So lots of great discounted deals ending over the next few hours for somebody wanting affordable NWAs cheap. See my ebay user id AMUNRE on ebay http://stores.ebay.com/AMUNRE-COLLECTIBLES-AND-GEMSTONES_W0QQsspagenameZLQQtZkm If anybody wants to get your NWAs classified for an extra $79 I can cut 20 grams off and get it classified for you: Details here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/class/classify.html Auctions of note: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=190083293199 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=190083278127 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=190083343100 Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545367 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: eBay items; Sikhote Slice, Great Bend, Somervell, Books++
Hello all, I have a few auctions running on ebay (I think around 1600) including a couple items that might interest you. Be sure to check my auctions over the next few days as I will be listing a few items from my personal collection/s. I need to raise a little extra money to check up from Tucson and cover the cost of doing the Lawn Show, the local rock show and another educational exhibit planned this next month. Introduction To The Study of Meteorites by L. Fletcher This is cool. 111 years old and signed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290084130578 Out of the Sky, 1952 Nininger Meteorite Book - NICE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290084131110 HAH173 L6, S5, W1 Libyan Meteorite - 43.0 grams http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290084584907 Find A Falling Star, by H. H. Nininger, Rare Meteorite http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290086468949 RARE Somervell County, Texas, Pallasite - 9.1 grams Specimen has a Monnig # comes with a Monnig/TCU Label http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290086220210 Great Bend Meteorite 24g Part Slice, w/Huss Number http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290086218873 Sikhote-Alin Iron Oriented Heat Shield Meteorite - 4.32 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290086214568 Sikhote-Alin Iron Meteorite Slice w/Mirror Polish, 158g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290086221914 Sikhote-Alin Iron Meteorite, 1947 Fall, Shrapnel 490g http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=290084492849 Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com www.imca.cc (#3166) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Blaine Reed Tucson Notes AD
Blaine Reed is not part of the meteorite list so I am sending this along for him. You can join his e-mail group by going to Yahoo. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Collectors, I am finally back from Tucson (comments on the show below) and unpacked enough to offer some of what I brought back now (my next few offerings are likely to be such stuff). Many of these items are consignments left with me at the show. As the owners of the largest pieces want either their money or the items returned, I likely will be offering these first (I would much rather sell them than have to pay expensive registered return postage), but I will be offering more smaller and affordable items later on (many of these need preparation work that I have not had time for anyway). Notes on the show: I have had quite a few people call and ask how things went. To be honest, in a word it was slow. In two words it was very slow. There were not many buyers wandering the show this year and many dealers suffered for it. I managed to do fairly well none the less (but down quite a bit from last year). What I am VERY concerned about is an increasing development the past few years in the actions of the meteorite collecting public. The show in general has been noticeably slowing the past few years. This is probably due to many factors such as cost (every thing gets more expensive in Tucson each year), increased time needed to see the people you need to see (as many dealers leave early and others show up late, almost 8 or 10 days is needed to be sure everybody you need to see will actually be there) and the internet (many of the large chain stores no longer buy at the shows, but have arranged supply contracts through internet connections now). I had been quite smug for the past years of this decline as we had a close knit community in meteorites that seemed to defy these problems. Collectors would come to the show for several days, visit dealers, go to parties and to auctions. Everything seemed to complement each other. Now I am seeing the rapid unraveling of this once neat social fabric. I had originally assumed that not many collectors showed up this year (I had maybe 35 meteorite people come to my room this year #150; I even had trouble giving out all of my special Tucson wine glasses this year). I was quickly shown how wrong I was when we attempted to attend the Meteorite Mayhem party of Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin. We arrived late due to circumstances (business). The security guard would not let us in, as the bar was over capacity. We waited as several people left, but he would still not allow us in. An attempt at bribery (alas, poor George just doesn't have the negotiating power he once did) and we were told to beat #150; it. Before leaving I looked in the windows to see many dozens (possible a couple hundred) of people that had, at one time been my customers that I had not seen in many years. Clearly there is a problem on my end. What I am finding from the few I have been able to talk with is that most collectors have now become completely focused on the auctions only. Most fly in Friday night, go to Lang's auction on Saturday and go to Blood's Saturday night (and often don't get out until well after midnight) and fly home Sunday morning. I do understand that for many, they are unable to take the extra vacation days to visit the show. I have been trying to formulate some kind of answer as to how I can become relevant to the visiting collectors once more. This is a difficult thing to do when facing something like auctions that seem to work on the same powerful emotional areas as gambling in the human brain. I have had a few ideas such as; 1) Maybe moving to Inn Suites to be a little easier for those already visiting the dealers there to find me (though I don't think many of the dealers there had huge amounts of visitors either). 2) Starting one of my own auctions (Alan once told me this is why he started his #150; to get collectors to at least come to his room and see what else he has to offer ), though I have no idea when I could hold such an event that wouldn't interfere with the already existing ones (which would end up being a detriment to all of us). 3) Setting aside most of my really special or unique items (commonly available stuff generally does poorly at auction) during the year and consign them to one of the existing auctions (not a bad idea actually, but then I would not have these neat items available during the year). The plus of this one is that it could eventually save me huge amounts of money (if I do end up shutting down my Tucson show room that is, then I would only have to be in town for a few days to do some buying and let the auctions do the selling). 4) I am trying to convince Steve and Geoff to allow us dealers to each set up a small display table (no need to haul in a bunch of Sikhote-Alins, NWA 869's and other common stuff #150; just the true collector oriented special items) at their
Re: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites
Hi Bernd, Martin and Jerry - and List: Many thanks for all the info and references on the Old Woman meteorite. Anyone knows who were the 3 gold prospectors? And there was no reward for them?? Does it means that the Smithsonian Institute of Washington has full rights over any meteorite that falls, or is found on federal land all over the entire USA? The info mentions that ...The nickel-iron mass lay wedged among boulders up a dry wash between two mountain slopes. Could it be that it probably fell somwhere further up and that it run downwards until it became wedged among boulders? Was this the only mass found in the area? José - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: Re-2: [meteorite-list] real men meteorites Hello José, Martin, List: OLD WOMAN METEORITE (Sky Telescope, Vol. 54-3, Sep 1997, p. 192): A three-ton meteorite recently discovered in the Old Woman Mountains of California is the second largest ever found in the United States, outranked only by the 16-ton Willamette, Oregon, meteorite known since 1902. The Old Woman fall is a mass of nickel-iron weighing 6,080 pounds (2,758 kilograms) and measuring 4-by-3-by-21/2 feet (1.2-by-0.9-by-0.8 meters), according to newspaper accounts. It fell, presumably several centuries ago, in an inaccessible desert area 170 miles east of Los Angeles. There it was spotted in March, 1976, by three gold prospectors. They sent chips to the Griffith Observatory and the University of California at Los Angeles, where the meteoritic nature of the object was confirmed. Word of the discovery reached Roy S. Clarke, curator of meteorites at the Smithsonian Institution in Washington, D.C. The U.S. Bureau of Land Management determined that the find had been made on federal land, and gave possession of the meteorite to the Smithsonian. The nickel-iron mass lay wedged among boulders up a dry wash between two mountain slopes. On June 17th, the meteorite was airlifted from this spot by U.S. Marine Corps helicopter, which carried it seven miles to the nearest road. Until the end of June, the Old Woman meteorite was on public display at Riverside, California, and then it was sent to the Smithsonian Institution for scientific study. FUTRELL D.S.(1998) My visit with the Old Woman (Meteorite!, Feb 98, Vol. 4-1, pp. 34-35). NORTON O.R. (1994) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space I, 1994, pp.252-255). NORTON O.R. (1998) The Old Woman Meteorite (Rocks From Space II, 1994, pp.252-255, 214). Best regards, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite
The finders were David Friburg, Mike Jendruczak and Hack Harwood. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znp06191977.html And there was no reward for them?? The Smithsonian did offer them a reward, but it was far less then the $1 million they wanted. The finders took the position it was a million or nothingand got nothing. I have at least 100 Old Woman NPA's in my archive, of which only a few are listed here: http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpoldwoman.html Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: the lunar meeorite from morocco
OK... now don't you List, dare to start an argument on this one...:) PS -I am not sure about that meteorite, but IF he happens to be Mother Teresa of Calcutta, we are all in big trouble...:) :) :) Simile Mateo, smile! José Campos - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] the lunar meeorite from morocco and if this is a lunar meteorite I am Mother Teresa of Calcutta Matteo --- adrar fossile [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: there all members of list . i'm mohamed ait ouzrou , from morocco i think that majorite of list know me , so in the link below are some wonder pieces if some one like them can contact me , in the adress email [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.4shared.com/file/10828031/925d185c/lunar_meteorites_for_sale.html good health to all list , Mohamed ait ouzrou - Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30173 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ L'email della prossima generazione? Puoi averla con la nuova Yahoo! Mail: http://it.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite
Hi Mark and Bernd, (thru the List): Thanks for all the info, references and pics received on the Old Woman meteorite. You are a mine of interesting information. Again, obrigado. José Campos Portugal - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 10:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Woman Meteorite The finders were David Friburg, Mike Jendruczak and Hack Harwood. http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znp06191977.html And there was no reward for them?? The Smithsonian did offer them a reward, but it was far less then the $1 million they wanted. The finders took the position it was a million or nothingand got nothing. I have at least 100 Old Woman NPA's in my archive, of which only a few are listed here: http://www.meteoritearticles.com/znpoldwoman.html Clear Skies, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dwarf Planet 'Becoming A Comet' (2003 EL61)
In the context of what I had written I concede this is a fair point. However. I'd like to know which comets have confirmed hydrovulcanism and where the info source. I can appreciate it happens but the energy source for such an event seems lacking once beyond the ice line. I am quite willing to blame my own shortsightedness for this. It's just I don't think this thing is coming or has ever has come into the inner solar system before. It just doesn't match the pattern my half arsed look has seen. Rob McC --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rob, All, Comets are generally considered to be a thin layer of rocky material over a lot of volatites, the complete opposite. I could well be wrong on this. Virgin comets are unusually bright on their first perihelion passage. One theory is that the surface volatiles ar vapourised away leaving this outer layer of dark material. This would suggest that if EL61 is indeed, becoming a comet, this is it's first journey inward which seems most unlikely. And yet, this would all depend on the amount of hydrovolcanism on the surface of the body itself - if there were enough activity to completely resurface the2003 EL61 with ice since it experienced it's great impact, what's to say it hasn't been resurfaced since its last close perihelion? I know that some comets have geysers of their own...is there any data around that tells us how long it might take for any particular comet (I know many would be different) to completely resurface itself with ice and thus enter the inner solar system brighter than when it had last left? Regards, Jason On 2/3/07, Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Apologies for taking selected bits. Hope it's not out of context. --- Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ''2003 EL61 is a very bright body, reflecting 70% of the light that falls on it, and it is indeed, as you would suspect from this brightness, covered with water ice. BUT, it's not old water ice, but new, freshly fallen crystalline ice, otherwise known on our planet as snow'' Curiously, Halley's comet has an abledo of less than 4%, less than that of coal or black velvet. While Halley is not necessarily typical of comets, it is agreed that comets are very dark objects. Nucleus[nuclei] sizes have been estimated by removing modelled coma brightnesses from Hubble images and for nearby comets radar measurements seem to confirm the low albedo. Cometary dust may begin as silicate grained materials mantled with organic matter. To this hundreds of 0.01micron ice particles may form from a protosolar nebula into .5micron grains. These cluster into loose agglomerates which end up being part of the coma of comets. The evidence for this theory is the particles swept up by high altitude research planes [18km up] believed to be cometary in nature. This being the case it explains the brightness of the coma and -might I suggest- the brightness of EL61. It need not be covered in ice, just covered in this cometary 'snow' ''Now, we come to the Giant Comet Notion. Obviously, 2003 EL61's ice is a surface feature, a thin layer of volatiles over what is essentially a rocky body.'' Comets are generally considered to be a thin layer of rocky material over a lot of volatites, the complete opposite. I could well be wrong on this. Virgin comets are unusually bright on their first perihelion passage. One theory is that the surface volatiles ar vapourised away leaving this outer layer of dark material. This would suggest that if EL61 is indeed, becoming a comet, this is it's first journey inward which seems most unlikely. Also, comets sublimating ices have a temperature of 230K. Virgin comets can achieve this much farther out than comets on subsequent passes. This is because the dark silicate layer protects the icy material, insulating it. Only when the comet gets much closer does the heat conduct in to cause the sublimation of the ices. However, I doubt anyone would suggest EL61 has a surface temperature of 200K. There has to be an alternative explanation. Sorry the reply so lengthy. I just don't think EL61 can be cometary in nature. One other think caught my attention in this post '' A mere 10% decrease would lower the planetary temperature by 7 degrees C'' I thought the difference between aphelion and perihelion in earth's orbit made a 7% difference in solar intensity. Does anyone have a guess as to how long a change need apply for to effect earth? I suspect not Rob McC Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html
Re: [meteorite-list] Dwarf Planet 'Becoming A Comet' (2003 EL61)
On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 15:28:26 -0800 (PST), you wrote: It's just I don't think this thing is coming or has ever has come into the inner solar system before. It just doesn't match the pattern my half arsed look has seen. Yeah, it was a pretty silly article. It just seemed to be saying, what if. He could have just as easily wondered what would happen if Pluto or any other KBO came into the inner solar system. Or Neptune. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Good day list! Amazing news. While Chladnis Moon cases began their triumphant success around the globe, and the house was brought down, when we introduced them in Tucson, a lot of collectors and retailers expressed their badly needs to get this high quality presentation for Martian material. Here you are: We started to issue now series of Chladni Cases with the classical shergottite Dag 735. This ebay-auction now is somewhat special: Youll obtain nothing else than the very first example of our Martian Cases and all Mars series, which will be produced in future. It is the Chladni Mars Case N°1 and youll receive a certificate, that this case is the ancestral case of all which will have followed, hence a collectible for its own. Find it here: http://kuerzer.de/1stMarscase (Item number: 230095652582) Shipping is 3$. Good luck! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the veryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Super marketing ploy, Martin, Super salesmanship! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the veryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! Good day list! Amazing news. While Chladni's Moon cases began their triumphant success around the globe, and the house was brought down, when we introduced them in Tucson, a lot of collectors and retailers expressed their badly needs to get this high quality presentation for Martian material. Here you are: We started to issue now series of Chladni Cases with the classical shergottite Dag 735. This ebay-auction now is somewhat special: You'll obtain nothing else than the very first example of our Martian Cases and all Mars series, which will be produced in future. It is the Chladni Mars Case N°1 - and you'll receive a certificate, that this case is the ancestral case of all which will have followed, hence a collectible for its own. Find it here: http://kuerzer.de/1stMarscase (Item number: 230095652582) Shipping is 3$. Good luck! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sikhote-Alin Picture of the Day - February 22, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the veryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Hi Martin - I am really enjoying the Chladni Chip of the moon which I bought from you in Tucson. Thank you very much! A warning to whoever gets this one - I was showing the chip at a nearby bar the other evening, and an acquaintanc opened the casket before I could stop him. Luckily the he didn't loose the chip, but instead put it back in the box after touching it and looking at it very closely. Whew! I don't think that this Chladni chip will end up on some child's bureau, but one never knows... good hunting, Ed --- Gerald Flaherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Super marketing ploy, Martin, Super salesmanship! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the veryfirst box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! Good day list! Amazing news. While Chladni's Moon cases began their triumphant success around the globe, and the house was brought down, when we introduced them in Tucson, a lot of collectors and retailers expressed their badly needs to get this high quality presentation for Martian material. Here you are: We started to issue now series of Chladni Cases with the classical shergottite Dag 735. This ebay-auction now is somewhat special: You'll obtain nothing else than the very first example of our Martian Cases and all Mars series, which will be produced in future. It is the Chladni Mars Case N°1 - and you'll receive a certificate, that this case is the ancestral case of all which will have followed, hence a collectible for its own. Find it here: http://kuerzer.de/1stMarscase (Item number: 230095652582) Shipping is 3$. Good luck! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
I'm not a fan of marketing gimmicks and this one is particularly offensive. The dressed up image of the face on Mars is nothing short of ignorant misinformation. Bad idea. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case
Dear Martin: What a wonderful item! I think that's the coolest meteorite collectible I've seen in a long while. You, Stefan, and Andi have produced some beautiful work with this and the Moon boxes, which were a huge hit here in Tucson during the show. I'm glad I managed to buy one set before you sold out! Meeting you three gentlemen in person was one of the highlights of the 2007 show for me. Keep up the great work. Sincerely, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Blaine Reed Tucson Notes AD
Hi Mark, all - Tucson was a gas, but from what I could make out, Inn Suites was charging the dealers (and thus the dealers' customers) as much as they could. Then Inn Suites shut down the bar early and put out the fire outside of it. oh yeah, thank you Inn Suites... The guards at the Arizona Plaza(?) suddenly got all bent and huffy when Mohamed and his friends showed up - I saw that and thought, well, f**k that, that's when I stepped outside to join them - and that's when the guards let Mohamed and his guests in. The remaining guard then would not let the other invited guests in out of the cold - but it was his boss who put him up to it and then left - thank you too Arizona Plaza.. My thinking is that maybe the meteorite dealers should simply get together, move down the street, and completely take over the No-Tell Motel for the duration - way cheaper and way less hassles. I suspect that there would not be any problem with party guests there... insstead of hiring a guard or using a safe, perhaps some list members could just bring their firearms... I need to write a detailed thank you note, this one of real thanks, to many, but I want to thank Ms Haag and Bob for the soak in the whirlpool during the second half of Lang's auction... PS - best wishes to Ms Lang for a speedy recovery, and a special thanks to Art for selling me a mint copy of Nininger's Meteor Crater booklet A Comet Strikes the Earth from Nininger's estate. good hunting, Ed --- MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Blaine Reed is not part of the meteorite list so I am sending this along for him. You can join his e-mail group by going to Yahoo. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Collectors, I am finally back from Tucson (comments on the show below) and unpacked enough to offer some of what I brought back now (my next few offerings are likely to be such stuff). Many of these items are consignments left with me at the show. As the owners of the largest pieces want either their money or the items returned, I likely will be offering these first (I would much rather sell them than have to pay expensive registered return postage), but I will be offering more smaller and affordable items later on (many of these need preparation work that I have not had time for anyway). Notes on the show: I have had quite a few people call and ask how things went. To be honest, in a word it was slow. In two words it was very slow. There were not many buyers wandering the show this year and many dealers suffered for it. I managed to do fairly well none the less (but down quite a bit from last year). What I am VERY concerned about is an increasing development the past few years in the actions of the meteorite collecting public. The show in general has been noticeably slowing the past few years. This is probably due to many factors such as cost (every thing gets more expensive in Tucson each year), increased time needed to see the people you need to see (as many dealers leave early and others show up late, almost 8 or 10 days is needed to be sure everybody you need to see will actually be there) and the internet (many of the large chain stores no longer buy at the shows, but have arranged supply contracts through internet connections now). I had been quite smug for the past years of this decline as we had a close knit community in meteorites that seemed to defy these problems. Collectors would come to the show for several days, visit dealers, go to parties and to auctions. Everything seemed to complement each other. Now I am seeing the rapid unraveling of this once neat social fabric. I had originally assumed that not many collectors showed up this year (I had maybe 35 meteorite people come to my room this year I even had trouble giving out all of my special Tucson wine glasses this year). I was quickly shown how wrong I was when we attempted to attend the Meteorite Mayhem party of Steve Arnold and Geoff Notkin. We arrived late due to circumstances (business). The security guard would not let us in, as the bar was over capacity. We waited as several people left, but he would still not allow us in. An attempt at bribery (alas, poor George just doesn't have the negotiating power he once did) and we were told to beat it. Before leaving I looked in the windows to see many dozens (possible a couple hundred) of people that had, at one time been my customers that I had not seen in many years. Clearly there is a problem on my end. What I am finding from the few I have been able to talk with is that most collectors have now become completely focused on the auctions only. Most fly in Friday night, go to Lang's auction on Saturday and go to Blood's Saturday night (and often don't get out until well after midnight) and fly home Sunday morning. I do understand that for many, they are unable to take the extra vacation days to visit
Re: [meteorite-list] Dwarf Planet 'Becoming A Comet' (2003 EL61)
Hi, Of course, 2003 EL61 presently has water resurfacing going on, even though it orbits further out than Neptune, so it must have a source of internal heat to drive its hydrovulcanism. With its high density (3.2?), it could well be differentiated. The annoying thing is that the BBC (and only the BBC) reported Brown's remarks at a seminar as a kind of science gossip. If Brown has orbital calculations that show 2003 EL61 can be perturbed into the inner solar system, he does not mention it on his website nor has he published them. I think he got the idea from dynamicists who run computer simulations of resonances and the like, rather than an actual orbital calculation. We have observed far too little of 2003 EL61's orbit to know it precisely to determine that, at this point. It's just I don't think this thing is coming or has ever has come into the inner solar system before. After 4+ billion years in the same orbit, I think it's pretty unlikely too. That's a good thing... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Rob McCafferty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dwarf Planet 'Becoming A Comet' (2003 EL61) In the context of what I had written I concede this is a fair point. However. I'd like to know which comets have confirmed hydrovulcanism and where the info source. I can appreciate it happens but the energy source for such an event seems lacking once beyond the ice line. I am quite willing to blame my own shortsightedness for this. It's just I don't think this thing is coming or has ever has come into the inner solar system before. It just doesn't match the pattern my half arsed look has seen. Rob McC --- Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Rob, All, Comets are generally considered to be a thin layer of rocky material over a lot of volatites, the complete opposite. I could well be wrong on this. Virgin comets are unusually bright on their first perihelion passage. One theory is that the surface volatiles ar vapourised away leaving this outer layer of dark material. This would suggest that if EL61 is indeed, becoming a comet, this is it's first journey inward which seems most unlikely. And yet, this would all depend on the amount of hydrovolcanism on the surface of the body itself - if there were enough activity to completely resurface the2003 EL61 with ice since it experienced it's great impact, what's to say it hasn't been resurfaced since its last close perihelion? I know that some comets have geysers of their own...is there any data around that tells us how long it might take for any particular comet (I know many would be different) to completely resurface itself with ice and thus enter the inner solar system brighter than when it had last left? Regards, Jason __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SPACE JUNK
Hi, In addition to the 700-odd pieces of China's self-shot-down satellite, many of which will work their way down to meteor like re-entries at various future dates, you can add 1100+ more pieces of defunct spaceware: http://spaceweather.com/ Australian astronomer Ray Palmer was photographing the Southern Cross from his observatory in Western Australia on Feb. 19th when a flaming plume cut across the Milky Way. I had no idea what it was, he says. It was moving very slowly and I was able to track it for 35 minutes. In mid-apparition the object exploded. Gordon Garradd of New South Wales photographed an expanding cloud filled with specks of debris. Tim Thorpe of South Australia saw it, too. Quite a surreal scene, he says. What was it? It was a mystery for almost 24 hours until satellite expert Daniel Deak matched the trajectory of the plume in Palmer's photo with the orbit of a derelict rocket booster--a Briz-M, catalog number 28944. One year ago, the Briz-M sat atop a Russian Proton rocket that left Earth on Feb. 28, 2006, carrying an Arabsat-4A communications satellite. Shortly after launch, the rocket malfunctioned, leaving the satellite in the wrong orbit and the Briz-M looping around Earth partially-filled with fuel. On Feb. 19, 2007, for reasons unknown, the fuel tanks ruptured over Australia. Jon P. Boers of the USAF Space Surveillance System confirms the ID and notes later, on the other side of the world, our radar saw 500+ pieces in that orbit. Today the count is up to fragments. [We're seeing] more fragments as the cloud expands, he explains. One thousand-plus fragments makes this a major breakup event, says Mark Matney of NASA's Orbital Debris Office at the Johnson Space Center. There is no immediate threat to the space station, but we're analyzing the orbits to assess any long-term hazard. Unlike recent high profile breakups, Briz-M is in an orbit that is difficult for most radars to see, adds Boers. The generation of element sets on all the pieces will take weeks to accomplish. Maybe the Russian junker ran into some piece of the Chinese junker? Depending on the orbit, some of this stuff will stay up for generations and some will come down (to make holes in New Hampshire ponds?) Since the Briz-M seems to have exploded in all directions, we're likely to get some pieces down before too long. There's a very colorful photo of the explosive trail, visible for 35 minutes, as the Astronomy Picture of the Day for today (02-22-07): http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible!
Be sure, that there will (and already are) Mars cases with other pictures. Here 2 more examples: http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/chladnicase-mars1.jpg http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/chladnicase-mars3.jpg As always Stefan demonstrated his great abilities as designer. I remember, for Tucson we tinkered extra-patriotic ones - astronaut on Moon with huge Stars-n-Stripes-flag, those went best, but are not helpful for selling to Middle East... Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Bill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Donnerstag, 22. Februar 2007 04:36 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] AD: Finally 1st Chladni MARS Case - get the very first box crafted. Soon a historical collectible! I'm not a fan of marketing gimmicks and this one is particularly offensive. The dressed up image of the face on Mars is nothing short of ignorant misinformation. Bad idea. Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
