Re: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus?
Hello fellow listoids, Mexico Doug's post about Michael Collins praises a lesser known hero of the Apollo program. IMNSHO, Michael Collins is also the most gifted author among his Apollo brethern. In his books _Carrying the Fire_ and _Liftoff_ Michael captures some of the awe in a project with superlative after superlative. It should also be noted that Michael's solo orbit of the moon made him the lonliest person ever up to that time. When Michael was on the opposite side of the moon from Earth (the so called dark side), he was the farthest individual human from any other humans. Following the United States manned spaceflight program kindled my interest in the pure and applied sciences and was a major formative experience for myself and most of my peers. And to think that decades later we are now the proud owners (or perhaps stewards) of meteorites including material from the moon...wow. All this makes me proud to be an American. Best Regards, Pat Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites Engineer by Vocation, Meteorite Hunter While on Vacation --- On Fri, 12/12/08, mexicod...@aim.com mexicod...@aim.com wrote: From: mexicod...@aim.com mexicod...@aim.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus? To: fuzzf...@comcast.net, michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 9:55 AM Hello listees, In this time for reflection and renewal, it's hard to have any complaints ... hmmm but, I just read this eBay auction and Mike B's post answering MikeG and feel the need to talk about an human exploration hero greater than Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin, the two explorers as mentioned in the auction link. Like the Mighty Boosh, the opportunistic seller is hocking his barely perceptible particules while forgetting the third crew member that literally wrote the book on piloting base and contingency plans for the Apollo 11 command module around the Moon while Neil and Buzz checked out. Hats off to (another) Mike ! The man who safely brought these guys back from the Moon, and I am thinking the first person to orbit the Moon solo while he was at it - Is that an accomplishment?) - what an experience! Being meteorite folk it is hard to say being on the Moon's surface wouldn't have been more spectacular, but I think being completely out of touch in the command module especially tranquilly flying over the far side of the Moon alone for a day at only 113 miles altitude with a world's responsibility on his shoulders ... Then to make be the orbital pickup of the module, which seems to me the hardest part of the whole voyage. THREE (3) Cheers for our favorite Florida swamp boy, Major General Collins! and for being a superb team member bringing back the first 20 Kg of the Moon! Best wishes, Christmas and Holiday Greetings to all, Doug -Original Message- From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: michael w gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 10:15 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus? Hello Mike G, I can vouch for this item and tell you that it is the real deal. There have been several presentations made with swatches of BetaCloth or other materials stained with lunar dust. Florian has been the primary supplier of these presentations and it is all legit. You can read more about his presentations on the collectSPACE.com forums. I might note that stained hardware and artifacts are the only legal way to own lunar material from the Apollo missions. Owning several lunar meteorites, I could care less about buying 10 grains of Apollo lunar glass. BUT... what makes this artifact desirable (to me, anyway) is that it is an authentic artifact from Apollo 11 - the 'grail' of human exploration. Cheers, Mike Bandli - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 6:43:36 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: [meteorite-list] Real or Bogus? Hi ladies and gentlemen (and friends watching at home!) - It's time to play America's favorite game - REAL OR BOGUS? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=320324463986 Today's offering comes from the intrepid world of eBay. Here we see something billed as real moon dust that was recovered from Neil Armstrong's camera magazine. So, I have to ask everyone who is playing - REAL OR BOGUS? (If I was a gambling man, I'd say BOGUS) Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale
Re: [meteorite-list] More ? about Itqiy, Zaklodzie
Hi Tracy, Being the lucky owner of slices if similar size (about 2x2 cm) of Itqiy and Zaklodzie, I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are definitely different. However we all know that a macroscopic texture is very seldom characteristic of a meteorite type (most of the ordinary chondrites are the best examples). For odd meteorite types, as I am not at all expert, just curious, I love to browse through the wonderful web site of David Weir: http://www.meteoritestudies.com/ David reports (among other features) that, although Itqiy was classified in Met. Bull as EH7-an, while similarities do exist between Itqiy and EH or EL chondrites, the many inconsistencies make a definitive assignment (to EH group) tenious... Founded upon the recent report published by Keil Bischoff, 2008 (so cited), he also states that: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon in Met. Bull.) with which it shares many textural and morphological characteristics...and also: that both may have formed on the same parent body, distinct from that associated with EH, EL, Shallowater and aubrites... We all know that one should only rely on the officially published data in Met. Bull. database. However as, on one hand, Weir very often reports data from recent publications (that he obviously summarizes or to which he possibly sometimes just adds some (to me always pertinent) comemnts) and, on the other hand, such data are not (always) reported in the database that, as one can understand, are not easy to update continuously, I like to keep Weir's updatings in mind for my best understanding, hoping that the new publications will sooner or later be taken into account officially. This being, I don't have the paper of Keil and Bischoff on hand to better compare. Perhaps Bernd can help ? Regarding similarities between Zaklodzie (classified in Met. Bull. as E achon-ung but that recent studies by Keil (2007) and Keil Bischoff (2008) rather classify as E imb chondrite) and Itqiy, I encourage you to read the very informative statements Weir reports regarding Zaklodzie. He concludes: ...despite the very close similarities between Zaklodzie and the ungrouped enstatite achondrite Itqiy, their chemical end mineral compositions, noble gas contents and terrestrial ages EXCLUDE an origin of both meteorites from a common parent body. I am just reporting here some published data and my poor expertise in that domain does not pretend to solve the question. As a scientist, I learned that we should be cautious with new data but that, on the other hand, there can also be always some (minor or major) thruth behind. Assembling and summarizing (with expertise) such data is, among many other merits, the deep interest of David Weir's statements. I hope this helps. My best, Zelimir A 01:25 13/12/2008 +, tracy latimer a écrit : I have now heard from at least 3 parties who say that Itqiy is closest in composition to Zaklodzie (and a couple of people who gently corrected my typewriter dyslexia, Saint-Sauveur rather than Saint-Severin!). The pictures I have been able to find of Zaklodzie, however, don't show the texture very well; to my uneducated eye, it looks more like a common H5 (heresy!). One of the things I find striking about Itqiy is the coarse grained crystals that look almost like commercially available black granite slab. Anyone who has access to both Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in section? I have to do more research into the processes that produce 2 so dissimilar textures with almost the same chemical makeups... Tracy Latimer _ You live life online. So we put Windows on the web. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032869/direct/01/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sharp eyes in Tanzania?
40 countries have had ONLY falls and no finds, with Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Ireland leading the way with 15, 8, and 6 falls, respectively, and no finds. Other countries that outperform Tanzania in fall/find ratio are Sudan (9/1), Turkey (11/1), India (126/9) and Indonesia (16/1). Sudan is the anomaly here, as arid countries almost all have very low fall/find ratios. jeff Michael Gilmer wrote: 10 meteorites have been found in Tanzania. 9 of them are witnessed falls. That's a pretty good batting average I think. Is there any other nation with a similar high ratio of falls to finds? Some other trivia about Tanzania's 10 meteorites : 1) Rupota is the only witnessed fall of the L4-6 petrologic type. (same type as NWA 869) 2) Peramiho is a witnessed fall eucrite. 3) The massive ungrouped iron Mbosi is in Tanzania. 4) Ivuna is a witnessed fall CI1 carbonaceous, one of only 9 known. 5) the rest of Tanzania's falls include : an EL6, an LL6, and 3 OC's. Not too bad for only 10 meteorites. :) Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall
Jeff and List, Wondering who has final authority in naming new meteorites? I know there are some general guidelines (nearest post office or town or landmark) but who has final say? Will the peopel from U of Calgary be allowed input? Can the met list opinion influence the final name? I am asking these questions in hopes of influencing the final name of the new Canadian fall. It has been rerefed to as Lone Rock (too John Waynish for a Canadian stone), Marsden (Not bad but no distinct Canadian sound), Lloydminster (Getting better) and Buzzard Coulee (Now we are talking!) Looking at the map there are some other cool names close by such as Unwin, Zumbro and Manitou Lake. Manitou being the Ojibwey name for the Great Spirit or spirits. Well, if it counts, my vote would be for Buzzard Coulee. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn, Owen Sound, Ontario __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 13, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall
The final selection of a name rests with the Nomenclature Committee. They have guidelines about what characterizes a proper meteorite name (and contrary to popular belief, these do not say anything about post offices). However, there are no rules at all regarding who may propose a name for a new meteorite. Normally, the group that submits the initial characterization of the meteorite to the NomCom makes a suggestion about what the name should be. Surprisingly, there have been only a few cases where multiple suggestions have been made by different groups. A recent example was Carancas (vs. Desaguadero). I don't know how the committee would react to suggestions coming out of the community at large. I think they would probably give deference to the finder and/or initial-characterization team, unless a counter-suggestion was backed by a better reason than too John Waynish or no distinct Canadian sound. But if I was doing the initial description of this meteorite, I would be thinking as you are. If I could pick from multiple names of nearby geographic features and some are boring and some are cool, I'd go for cool; if Buzzard Coulee was one of my choices, it would be a no-brainer (except that maybe folks from Saskatchewan would not want a name with the initials B.C.). Jeff tett wrote: Jeff and List, Wondering who has final authority in naming new meteorites? I know there are some general guidelines (nearest post office or town or landmark) but who has final say? Will the peopel from U of Calgary be allowed input? Can the met list opinion influence the final name? I am asking these questions in hopes of influencing the final name of the new Canadian fall. It has been rerefed to as Lone Rock (too John Waynish for a Canadian stone), Marsden (Not bad but no distinct Canadian sound), Lloydminster (Getting better) and Buzzard Coulee (Now we are talking!) Looking at the map there are some other cool names close by such as Unwin, Zumbro and Manitou Lake. Manitou being the Ojibwey name for the Great Spirit or spirits. Well, if it counts, my vote would be for Buzzard Coulee. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn, Owen Sound, Ontario __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall
Thanks Jeff for the insightful response. I suppose it will be 6+ months until we know and at least I have sown the seed for cool. I still remember the sad time when Bilanga-Yanga was shortened to Bilanga. Cheers!, Mike Tettenborn Jeff Grossman wrote: The final selection of a name rests with the Nomenclature Committee. They have guidelines about what characterizes a proper meteorite name (and contrary to popular belief, these do not say anything about post offices). However, there are no rules at all regarding who may propose a name for a new meteorite. Normally, the group that submits the initial characterization of the meteorite to the NomCom makes a suggestion about what the name should be. Surprisingly, there have been only a few cases where multiple suggestions have been made by different groups. A recent example was Carancas (vs. Desaguadero). I don't know how the committee would react to suggestions coming out of the community at large. I think they would probably give deference to the finder and/or initial-characterization team, unless a counter-suggestion was backed by a better reason than too John Waynish or no distinct Canadian sound. But if I was doing the initial description of this meteorite, I would be thinking as you are. If I could pick from multiple names of nearby geographic features and some are boring and some are cool, I'd go for cool; if Buzzard Coulee was one of my choices, it would be a no-brainer (except that maybe folks from Saskatchewan would not want a name with the initials B.C.). Jeff tett wrote: Jeff and List, Wondering who has final authority in naming new meteorites? I know there are some general guidelines (nearest post office or town or landmark) but who has final say? Will the peopel from U of Calgary be allowed input? Can the met list opinion influence the final name? I am asking these questions in hopes of influencing the final name of the new Canadian fall. It has been rerefed to as Lone Rock (too John Waynish for a Canadian stone), Marsden (Not bad but no distinct Canadian sound), Lloydminster (Getting better) and Buzzard Coulee (Now we are talking!) Looking at the map there are some other cool names close by such as Unwin, Zumbro and Manitou Lake. Manitou being the Ojibwey name for the Great Spirit or spirits. Well, if it counts, my vote would be for Buzzard Coulee. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn, Owen Sound, Ontario __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall
I have read several places, including a Nininger book that post offices were used to help determine the meteorite name. --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov wrote: From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall To: tett t...@rogers.com Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 10:04 AM The final selection of a name rests with the Nomenclature Committee. They have guidelines about what characterizes a proper meteorite name (and contrary to popular belief, these do not say anything about post offices). However, there are no rules at all regarding who may propose a name for a new meteorite. Normally, the group that submits the initial characterization of the meteorite to the NomCom makes a suggestion about what the name should be. Surprisingly, there have been only a few cases where multiple suggestions have been made by different groups. A recent example was Carancas (vs. Desaguadero). I don't know how the committee would react to suggestions coming out of the community at large. I think they would probably give deference to the finder and/or initial-characterization team, unless a counter-suggestion was backed by a better reason than too John Waynish or no distinct Canadian sound. But if I was doing the initial description of this meteorite, I would be thinking as you are. If I could pick from multiple names of nearby geographic features and some are boring and some are cool, I'd go for cool; if Buzzard Coulee was one of my choices, it would be a no-brainer (except that maybe folks from Saskatchewan would not want a name with the initials B.C.). Jeff tett wrote: Jeff and List, Wondering who has final authority in naming new meteorites? I know there are some general guidelines (nearest post office or town or landmark) but who has final say? Will the peopel from U of Calgary be allowed input? Can the met list opinion influence the final name? I am asking these questions in hopes of influencing the final name of the new Canadian fall. It has been rerefed to as Lone Rock (too John Waynish for a Canadian stone), Marsden (Not bad but no distinct Canadian sound), Lloydminster (Getting better) and Buzzard Coulee (Now we are talking!) Looking at the map there are some other cool names close by such as Unwin, Zumbro and Manitou Lake. Manitou being the Ojibwey name for the Great Spirit or spirits. Well, if it counts, my vote would be for Buzzard Coulee. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn, Owen Sound, Ontario __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New fall in Romania
Hi List I'm happy to announce a new fall in Romania. After a fireball seen in 3 counties and sonic booms, a stone of 6.2 kg was found in a little impact hole. I've seen the stone, my guess is that it is a L4 based on an XRF measurment of Fe and a close examination of the little broken surface. The true analysis will be performed in January next year. For the moment this is the only piece found and I dont think it will be available for the market. photos available at : http://www.flickr.com/photos/imca7652 Best regards, Andrei IMCA7652 ___ Vodafone scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind Trend Micro VirusWall. Vodafone automatically scans all messages for viruses using Trend Micro VirusWall. ___ Nota: Este posibil ca produsul Trend Micro VirusWall sa nu detecteze toti virusii noi sau toate variantele lor. Va rugam sa luati in considerare ca exista un risc de fiecare data cind deschideti fisiere atasate si ca Vodafone Romania nu este responsabila pentru orice prejudiciu cauzat de decizia dvs. Disclaimer: It is possible that the Trend Micro VirusWall product may not be able to detect all new viruses and variants. Please be aware that there is a risk involved whenever opening e-mail attachments to your computer and that Vodafone Romania is not responsible for any damages caused by your decision to do so. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Name Game
Hello Mike and Jeff, This reminds me of when (Amgala) Oum Dreyga was brought to being. Our team (Moroccan hunters and us) received the first of the stones to be recovered and submitted the type sample for classification and Amgala as the name. As more stones were recovered, Amgala was the recognized/used name (amongst collectors and some scientists). As some time went by, more, larger material was found in Oum Dreyga (approximately SSW from Amgala) and in between from Amgala. Some months after we sent in the classification, another team from France submitted a type sample and asked for the name, Oum Dreyga, from which the name was officially recognized and Amgala became a synonym of it. I personally think that the area from which the first material was collected should be the assigned name (most likely the stones started falling here), but perhaps the area from which the largest stones were recovered was preferred by the committee. A fun lesson in naming, none the less! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: tett t...@rogers.com To: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall Thanks Jeff for the insightful response. I suppose it will be 6+ months until we know and at least I have sown the seed for cool. I still remember the sad time when Bilanga-Yanga was shortened to Bilanga. Cheers!, Mike Tettenborn Jeff Grossman wrote: The final selection of a name rests with the Nomenclature Committee. They have guidelines about what characterizes a proper meteorite name (and contrary to popular belief, these do not say anything about post offices). However, there are no rules at all regarding who may propose a name for a new meteorite. Normally, the group that submits the initial characterization of the meteorite to the NomCom makes a suggestion about what the name should be. Surprisingly, there have been only a few cases where multiple suggestions have been made by different groups. A recent example was Carancas (vs. Desaguadero). I don't know how the committee would react to suggestions coming out of the community at large. I think they would probably give deference to the finder and/or initial-characterization team, unless a counter-suggestion was backed by a better reason than too John Waynish or no distinct Canadian sound. But if I was doing the initial description of this meteorite, I would be thinking as you are. If I could pick from multiple names of nearby geographic features and some are boring and some are cool, I'd go for cool; if Buzzard Coulee was one of my choices, it would be a no-brainer (except that maybe folks from Saskatchewan would not want a name with the initials B.C.). Jeff tett wrote: Jeff and List, Wondering who has final authority in naming new meteorites? I know there are some general guidelines (nearest post office or town or landmark) but who has final say? Will the peopel from U of Calgary be allowed input? Can the met list opinion influence the final name? I am asking these questions in hopes of influencing the final name of the new Canadian fall. It has been rerefed to as Lone Rock (too John Waynish for a Canadian stone), Marsden (Not bad but no distinct Canadian sound), Lloydminster (Getting better) and Buzzard Coulee (Now we are talking!) Looking at the map there are some other cool names close by such as Unwin, Zumbro and Manitou Lake. Manitou being the Ojibwey name for the Great Spirit or spirits. Well, if it counts, my vote would be for Buzzard Coulee. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn, Owen Sound, Ontario __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 13, 2008
Wow! that's a different look. no wonder such a unique classification - Original Message - From: Michael Johnson mich...@spacerocksinc.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 9:11 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 13,2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/December_13_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Some more meteorite-geography trivia : 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. (I hope it's stored with some dessicant!) 2) Iran has only 2 known meteorites - both of them witnessed falls! Naragh is an H6 hammer stone that penetrated the roof of a school on August 18, 1974. No casualties were reported. The other fall is Veramin, a mesosiderite, which fell around April 18, 1880. Veramin has been kept in Tehran's Golestan Palace since then. 3) Ireland has 6 recorded meteorites - all of them witnessed falls. (The Tanzanians have competition!) All of Ireland's meteorites have been OC's and one remains unclassified - Pettiswood. 4) Not to be left out, Northern Ireland (statisically seperatre from Ireland proper) has 2 known meteorites, both OC witnessed falls. 5) The United States has over 1519 approved meteorites! This US tally includes : 2 acapulcoites 5 aubrites 22 carbonaceous chondrites 2 diogenites 4 EL chondrites 11 eucrites more OC's than you can shake a magnetic cane at 4 howardites a boatload of irons 2 Martian meteorites (LA001/002 Lafayette) 8 mesosiderites 18 pallasites 1 rumuruti chondrite 2 ureilites 2 winonaites :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New fall in Romania
Hello Andrei, congratulations to Romania: what a wonderful stone! In addition it's always great to have photographs of the meteorite in situ. When did the fall exactly happen? My best, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: Razvan Andrei asea...@xnet.ro To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 4:30 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New fall in Romania Hi List I'm happy to announce a new fall in Romania. After a fireball seen in 3 counties and sonic booms, a stone of 6.2 kg was found in a little impact hole. I've seen the stone, my guess is that it is a L4 based on an XRF measurment of Fe and a close examination of the little broken surface. The true analysis will be performed in January next year. For the moment this is the only piece found and I dont think it will be available for the market. photos available at : http://www.flickr.com/photos/imca7652 Best regards, Andrei IMCA7652 ___ Vodafone scaneaza automat toate mesajele impotriva virusilor folosind Trend Micro VirusWall. Vodafone automatically scans all messages for viruses using Trend Micro VirusWall. ___ Nota: Este posibil ca produsul Trend Micro VirusWall sa nu detecteze toti virusii noi sau toate variantele lor. Va rugam sa luati in considerare ca exista un risc de fiecare data cind deschideti fisiere atasate si ca Vodafone Romania nu este responsabila pentru orice prejudiciu cauzat de decizia dvs. Disclaimer: It is possible that the Trend Micro VirusWall product may not be able to detect all new viruses and variants. Please be aware that there is a risk involved whenever opening e-mail attachments to your computer and that Vodafone Romania is not responsible for any damages caused by your decision to do so. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Hello All, Michael wrote: 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. I think Hawaii goes one better. Two meteorite falls, Honolulu (1825) and Palolo Valley (1949) both fell on Oahu, a small island in the much larger Pacific Ocean. Incidently both meteorites fell in the capitol of Honolulu only about five miles from one another. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Frank is perfectly right. Now, if you take into account the ratio between the weight (kg) and the island surface area, you can calculate the average number of meteorite kg thet fell per square km for 3 small islands (there could be more) Island surface (km2) Meteorite tkw kg/km2 (x 10-3) Oahu1545Honolulu + P. Valley3.682 2.38 Mauritius 1866Mauritius 0.222 0.189 Jamaica 11425 Lucky Hill 20.4+ 1.79+ Now taking 2 small countries (I did not go through all): Lesotho 30355 Thuathe 30+ 0.99 Swaziland 17363 Dwaleni 3.230 0.186 In all cases Oahu wins... Good going for other weird evaluations! Cheers Zelimir A 08:45 13/12/2008 -0800, Frank Cressy a écrit : Hello All, Michael wrote: 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. I think Hawaii goes one better. Two meteorite falls, Honolulu (1825) and Palolo Valley (1949) both fell on Oahu, a small island in the much larger Pacific Ocean. Incidently both meteorites fell in the capitol of Honolulu only about five miles from one another. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Interesting meteorite speculation
Probably nothing to this. But if Carancas had hit a building containing flammable materials instead of wet soil, think it could have started a fire? http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/newsdetail1.asp?storyID=149525 Big fire damages warehouse building 14/12/2008 4:16:20 A spectacular fire stopped traffic and drew crowds of onlookers in Auckland last night. The blaze broke out in a warehouse on the intersection of Ponsonby Road and McKelvie Street and eight appliances and two aerial appliances were used to quell it. Firefighters were dampening down hotspots but by 11.30 the fire was out. A man was inside the building at the time. He was taken out and treated for a minor cut to his arm. No nearby buildings were damaged, but the warehouse roof collapsed in the centre. The Fire Service is not saying yet whether it suspects the blaze was suspicious. Some people were convinced the fire was caused by what may have been a meteorite, which was seen from various parts of the upper North Island streaking across the sky just after 10 o'clock. Several callers claim the light in the sky was very bright, and it was described by some as a blinding flash. Others said it was trailing smoke. One man, Mike, says he saw the object crash with an exploding noise in the Ponsonby area, and reckons it could have started the fire. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Frank is perfectly right. Now, if you take into account the ratio between the weight (kg) and the island surface area, you can calculate the average number of meteorite kg thet fell per square km for 3 small islands (there could be more) Island surface (km2) Meteorite tkw kg/km2 (x 10-3) Oahu1545Honolulu + P. Valley3.682 2.38 Mauritius 1866Mauritius 0.222 0.189 Jamaica 11425 Lucky Hill 20.4+ 1.79+ Now taking 2 small countries (I did not go through all): Lesotho 30355 Thuathe 30+ 0.99 Swaziland 17363 Dwaleni 3.230 0.186 In all cases Oahu wins... Good going for other weird evaluations! Cheers Zelimir A 08:45 13/12/2008 -0800, Frank Cressy a écrit : Hello All, Michael wrote: 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. I think Hawaii goes one better. Two meteorite falls, Honolulu (1825) and Palolo Valley (1949) both fell on Oahu, a small island in the much larger Pacific Ocean. Incidently both meteorites fell in the capitol of Honolulu only about five miles from one another. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie
Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List, Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are definitely different. Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in section? No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain sizes. Itqiy has a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals in my tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of 0.5 mm. Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory results. I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the microscope and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one can clearly see the difference in texture. While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was relatively easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized) light. Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon in Met. Bull.) Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie :-( Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240): Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526 and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this: These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body. Best, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Stunning Lunar: More pieces added!
Hello All, we just added a few more pieces of the stunning LUNAR NWA 4734...still at a real discount price! Please see here: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id44.html Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland IMCA #2747 p.mar...@mysunrise.ch http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: How Bout A Meteorite Blog? (Bob Loeffler)
Hi Eric and list, Sorry about that. My bad math skills; not a typo. :-) Regards, Bob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Eric Wichman Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:05 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD: How Bout A Meteorite Blog? (Bob Loeffler) Bob, Not a typo at all... $5 per month is $60 per year. (12 months X $5mo = $60) I'm offering the blog site for $49 for the whole year including hosting. That come to about $4.08mo Eric Hi Eric, You said the following in your e-mail: I wanted to find a way to build and host one for all meteorite people and Met List members less than $5 per month. ... but it says $49 on the website. Typo? Regards, Bob __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Hi, List, Michael wrote: What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? Well, the answer is that the chances of a meteorite landing anywhere are exactly the same as of it landing anywhere else. The landing of a meteorite is as purely random an event as any natural event can be. There is no causal connection between the path of the meteoroid and the geography of the Earth or indeed, anything about the Earth except that it got in the way of the meteoroid. If you were standing idly about in your front yard and a meteorite whizzed down and landed in front of your feet, you would jump and scream, OMG! What are the odds of that?! But the odds of that meteorite landing on the square meter you were standing on is unaffected by the fact that you were standing there. Likewise, any square meter you stand on, anywhere, is as likely to have a meteorite land on it as any other, whether that square meter of Earth is land or sea, for example. (Since nearly 70% of the Earth is water, 70% of all meteorites land there.) So, when you go out into your front yard tonight to wait for that meteorite to land at your feet, you can stand anywhere in the yard you want to! (Or sit in a yard chair, if you want; that doesn't affect the odds either.) Don't laugh! The meteorite that lands -- Plop! -- at someone's feet in the front yard has actually happened, and in relatively recent times. Check out the NOBLESVILLE (Indiana) fall. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia Some more meteorite-geography trivia : 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. (I hope it's stored with some dessicant!) 2) Iran has only 2 known meteorites - both of them witnessed falls! Naragh is an H6 hammer stone that penetrated the roof of a school on August 18, 1974. No casualties were reported. The other fall is Veramin, a mesosiderite, which fell around April 18, 1880. Veramin has been kept in Tehran's Golestan Palace since then. 3) Ireland has 6 recorded meteorites - all of them witnessed falls. (The Tanzanians have competition!) All of Ireland's meteorites have been OC's and one remains unclassified - Pettiswood. 4) Not to be left out, Northern Ireland (statisically seperatre from Ireland proper) has 2 known meteorites, both OC witnessed falls. 5) The United States has over 1519 approved meteorites! This US tally includes : 2 acapulcoites 5 aubrites 22 carbonaceous chondrites 2 diogenites 4 EL chondrites 11 eucrites more OC's than you can shake a magnetic cane at 4 howardites a boatload of irons 2 Martian meteorites (LA001/002 Lafayette) 8 mesosiderites 18 pallasites 1 rumuruti chondrite 2 ureilites 2 winonaites :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Interesting topic. One of my favorite meteorites in my collection is Isla del Espititu Santo. This is a small TKW 869g L6 meteorite from a small island in the Sea of Cortez off the coast from La Paz, Mexico. Regards, Fred Olsen -- Original message -- From: Zelimir Gabelica zelimir.gabel...@uha.fr Frank is perfectly right. Now, if you take into account the ratio between the weight (kg) and the island surface area, you can calculate the average number of meteorite kg thet fell per square km for 3 small islands (there could be more) Island surface (km2) Meteorite tkw kg/km2 (x 10-3) Oahu1545Honolulu + P. Valley3.682 2.38 Mauritius 1866Mauritius 0.222 0.189 Jamaica 11425 Lucky Hill 20.4+ 1.79+ Now taking 2 small countries (I did not go through all): Lesotho 30355 Thuathe 30+ 0.99 Swaziland 17363 Dwaleni 3.230 0.186 In all cases Oahu wins... Good going for other weird evaluations! Cheers Zelimir A 08:45 13/12/2008 -0800, Frank Cressy a écrit : Hello All, Michael wrote: 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. I think Hawaii goes one better. Two meteorite falls, Honolulu (1825) and Palolo Valley (1949) both fell on Oahu, a small island in the much larger Pacific Ocean. Incidently both meteorites fell in the capitol of Honolulu only about five miles from one another. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Crusted Zagami, L3 Conglomerate
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Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie
Yes Bernd, you are perfectly right. Funny my misspelling the numbers. My fingers run too fast (actually my phone number starts with 2656...pfff!) Thanks for the reference. I just also received the PDF copy from David Weir and read the intro and the conclusions. Very interesting...the Itqiy-Zaklodzie-NWA 2526 continues. BTW, I have a pic of my Zaklodzie slice (14.1 g, 50x45x2 mm). Not the best quality but I'll sent it to you in a separate mail. If you feel it is informative for the list and if you can host it on your site, feel free to send the link. Thanks again for comments. Zelimir A 17:40 13/12/2008 +, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List, Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are definitely different. Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in section? No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain sizes. Itqiy has a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals in my tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of 0.5 mm. Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory results. I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the microscope and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one can clearly see the difference in texture. While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was relatively easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized) light. Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon in Met. Bull.) Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie :-( Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240): Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526 and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this: These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body. Best, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia
I fully agree. Now a pure statistic evaluation tells you that if you are waiting in your front yard having a surface of 1 squere km, for a meteorite of 1 kg to fall, you'll have to wait (on the average) for...10 million years! (if my memory is right, I hesitate between 10 and 100 milloin but the message is the same). A funny related joke we use to tell our visitors in Ensisheim show: If you are affraid a meteorite would fell on you, just don't worry! A bolid of about 125 kg fell right here 516 years ago, so you are statistically speaking, totally safe! I know Sterling will contradict me and I will agree! A typical counter-example is the Weathersfield meteorite that fell in CT on almost the same place in 1971 and in 1982. Both were L6!... Keep smiling, Zelimir A 12:11 13/12/2008 -0600, Sterling K. Webb a écrit : Hi, List, Michael wrote: What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? Well, the answer is that the chances of a meteorite landing anywhere are exactly the same as of it landing anywhere else. The landing of a meteorite is as purely random an event as any natural event can be. There is no causal connection between the path of the meteoroid and the geography of the Earth or indeed, anything about the Earth except that it got in the way of the meteoroid. If you were standing idly about in your front yard and a meteorite whizzed down and landed in front of your feet, you would jump and scream, OMG! What are the odds of that?! But the odds of that meteorite landing on the square meter you were standing on is unaffected by the fact that you were standing there. Likewise, any square meter you stand on, anywhere, is as likely to have a meteorite land on it as any other, whether that square meter of Earth is land or sea, for example. (Since nearly 70% of the Earth is water, 70% of all meteorites land there.) So, when you go out into your front yard tonight to wait for that meteorite to land at your feet, you can stand anywhere in the yard you want to! (Or sit in a yard chair, if you want; that doesn't affect the odds either.) Don't laugh! The meteorite that lands -- Plop! -- at someone's feet in the front yard has actually happened, and in relatively recent times. Check out the NOBLESVILLE (Indiana) fall. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia Some more meteorite-geography trivia : 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. (I hope it's stored with some dessicant!) 2) Iran has only 2 known meteorites - both of them witnessed falls! Naragh is an H6 hammer stone that penetrated the roof of a school on August 18, 1974. No casualties were reported. The other fall is Veramin, a mesosiderite, which fell around April 18, 1880. Veramin has been kept in Tehran's Golestan Palace since then. 3) Ireland has 6 recorded meteorites - all of them witnessed falls. (The Tanzanians have competition!) All of Ireland's meteorites have been OC's and one remains unclassified - Pettiswood. 4) Not to be left out, Northern Ireland (statisically seperatre from Ireland proper) has 2 known meteorites, both OC witnessed falls. 5) The United States has over 1519 approved meteorites! This US tally includes : 2 acapulcoites 5 aubrites 22 carbonaceous chondrites 2 diogenites 4 EL chondrites 11 eucrites more OC's than you can shake a magnetic cane at 4 howardites a boatload of irons 2 Martian meteorites (LA001/002 Lafayette) 8 mesosiderites 18 pallasites 1 rumuruti chondrite 2 ureilites 2 winonaites :) . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15
[meteorite-list] AD: ebay auctions ending in 1 day
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Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie
Tracy, Zelimir, Bernd and all, I put pictures of Itqiy and Zakłodzie slices side by side here: http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/Zaklodzie%20Itqiy.ht m Maybe this helps a little. Regards, - John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir Gabelica Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:29 AM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie Yes Bernd, you are perfectly right. Funny my misspelling the numbers. My fingers run too fast (actually my phone number starts with 2656...pfff!) Thanks for the reference. I just also received the PDF copy from David Weir and read the intro and the conclusions. Very interesting...the Itqiy-Zaklodzie-NWA 2526 continues. BTW, I have a pic of my Zaklodzie slice (14.1 g, 50x45x2 mm). Not the best quality but I'll sent it to you in a separate mail. If you feel it is informative for the list and if you can host it on your site, feel free to send the link. Thanks again for comments. Zelimir A 17:40 13/12/2008 +, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List, Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are definitely different. Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in section? No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain sizes. Itqiy has a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals in my tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of 0.5 mm. Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory results. I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the microscope and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one can clearly see the difference in texture. While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was relatively easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized) light. Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon in Met. Bull.) Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie :-( Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240): Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526 and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this: These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body. Best, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Toolbox Meteorites
List, There is another little known toolbox meteorite. Lorenzo, NB was used by the Brauer family as a door stop for over a decade. They knew it was a meteorite but it also had a nice size and shape to hold open an interior door. This information was passed to me by the finders son. Nininger tried to purchase both meteorites (Sidney and Lorenzo) Albert Brauer found while farming in NW Nebraska in the 1930's. Regards, Fred Olsen -- Original message -- From: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de Steve Arnold #1 writes: There have to be a hundred more examples! Yep, don't forget Korra Korrabes (H3), the largest specimen of which (24 kg) was used in a garden wall until 2000 August. Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More Meteorite Geography Trivia
Sterling wrote: Well, the answer is that the chances of a meteorite landing anywhere are exactly the same as of it landing anywhere else. The landing of a meteorite is as purely random an event as any natural event can be. There is no causal connection between the path of the meteoroid and the geography of the Earth or indeed, anything about the Earth except that it got in the way of the meteoroid. Hi Sterling, List, I find it overwhelmingly necessary to take exception to your statement (above). It is a well known and established fact that the great majority of meteors and meteorites, given their druthers, aim for Texas. The ones that miss Texas can only be attributed to having poor marksmanship skills or exceedingly bad taste. Someone might point out that Northwest Africa seems to have an abnormally high clustering of meteorites. Well, those were just wimps looking for a soft landing. Didn't need that kind in Texas anyway. 'Nuf said. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all, Jerry Wallace - Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, List, Michael wrote: What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively-small island in the middle of a sea? Well, the answer is that the chances of a meteorite landing anywhere are exactly the same as of it landing anywhere else. The landing of a meteorite is as purely random an event as any natural event can be. There is no causal connection between the path of the meteoroid and the geography of the Earth or indeed, anything about the Earth except that it got in the way of the meteoroid. If you were standing idly about in your front yard and a meteorite whizzed down and landed in front of your feet, you would jump and scream, OMG! What are the odds of that?! But the odds of that meteorite landing on the square meter you were standing on is unaffected by the fact that you were standing there. Likewise, any square meter you stand on, anywhere, is as likely to have a meteorite land on it as any other, whether that square meter of Earth is land or sea, for example. (Since nearly 70% of the Earth is water, 70% of all meteorites land there.) So, when you go out into your front yard tonight to wait for that meteorite to land at your feet, you can stand anywhere in the yard you want to! (Or sit in a yard chair, if you want; that doesn't affect the odds either.) Don't laugh! The meteorite that lands -- Plop! -- at someone's feet in the front yard has actually happened, and in relatively recent times. Check out the NOBLESVILLE (Indiana) fall. Sterling K. Webb __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] iridium flares?
Are Iridium flares customarily visible in the daytime. What I saw this afternoon in the southwest was possibly an aircraft but because it varied in brightness so intensely and remained motionless for the 10 to 15 seconds I observed it, I thought Flare?! Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] iridium flares?
Flares brighter than mag -4 are readily visible in daylight (just like Venus is). It's a challenge to see them only because you need to be looking in the right place (usually without much in the way of reference) and you need your eyes to be properly focuses. But 10-15 seconds is too long for an Iridium flare, and even if it lasted that long, you'd see noticeable movement over that time. Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] iridium flares? Are Iridium flares customarily visible in the daytime. What I saw this afternoon in the southwest was possibly an aircraft but because it varied in brightness so intensely and remained motionless for the 10 to 15 seconds I observed it, I thought Flare?! Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: More Meteorite Geography Trivia
The smatering of these land smacks dramatically points to the vast number of lost at sea falls. Jerry - Original Message - From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: More Meteorite Geography Trivia Hello All, Michael wrote: 1) Jamaica has one known meteorite, Lucky Hill, an iron IIIAB. What are the chances of a meteorite landing on a relatively small island in the middle of a sea? This meteorite could have easily ended up on the bottom of the Caribbean, but instead it gets to spend it's days in a tropical beach paradise. I think Hawaii goes one better. Two meteorite falls, Honolulu (1825) and Palolo Valley (1949) both fell on Oahu, a small island in the much larger Pacific Ocean. Incidently both meteorites fell in the capitol of Honolulu only about five miles from one another. Cheers, Frank __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall Buzzard Coulee
List, As Jeff pointed out the final decision on the new name is up to the Nomenclature Committee. That said, I have been advised that Buzzard Coulee is the desired new name and so I propose that we use that until the NomCom makes its final choice. That's what Alan H. and the U of C crew are calling it. His grad student Ellen Milley who found the first piece and Ian Mitchell, whose land (cow pond) it was found on both prefer Buzzard Coulee because that's where it was found. Ian also notes that it is the oldest geographic name in the area. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie
John, try to resend that. The link doesn't seem to work - Original Message - From: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie Tracy, Zelimir, Bernd and all, I put pictures of Itqiy and Zakłodzie slices side by side here: http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/Zaklodzie%20Itqiy.ht m Maybe this helps a little. Regards, - John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir Gabelica Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:29 AM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie Yes Bernd, you are perfectly right. Funny my misspelling the numbers. My fingers run too fast (actually my phone number starts with 2656...pfff!) Thanks for the reference. I just also received the PDF copy from David Weir and read the intro and the conclusions. Very interesting...the Itqiy-Zaklodzie-NWA 2526 continues. BTW, I have a pic of my Zaklodzie slice (14.1 g, 50x45x2 mm). Not the best quality but I'll sent it to you in a separate mail. If you feel it is informative for the list and if you can host it on your site, feel free to send the link. Thanks again for comments. Zelimir A 17:40 13/12/2008 +, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List, Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are definitely different. Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in section? No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain sizes. Itqiy has a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals in my tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of 0.5 mm. Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory results. I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the microscope and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one can clearly see the difference in texture. While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was relatively easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized) light. Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon in Met. Bull.) Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie :-( Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240): Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526 and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this: These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body. Best, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Over 60 auctions all starting at 99 cents
Hello List, This week we updated our store with some new goodies and we have 62 auctions listed, all starting at .99 cents. This is our holiday listing so if you are familiar with these past listings and we have something you are hoping to add to your collection, this is the week! You will see that everything is a little bigger this week than in the past. http://stores.ebay.com/KALANI-OF-THE-HEAVENS_W0QQcolZ2QQdirZ1QQftidZ2QQtZkm Also, we have made one of the Ransburg slices available starting at .99 cents, definitely worth checking out. This is one of only two slices that will ever be made available! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120348768769ih=002categ ory=3239ssPageName=STORE:PROMOBOX:NEWLIST#LIST Kind Regards and Happy Holidays, Jeff Malia Krosschell Kalani of the Heavens __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] iridium flares?
Hi Jerry: If you go so to www.heavens-above.com and register for your location (they have a very extensive list), you can then click on the place where it shows irridium flares for the last 24 hours. It can also show daytime ones. Larry On Sat, December 13, 2008 2:54 pm, Jerry Flaherty wrote: Are Iridium flares customarily visible in the daytime. What I saw this afternoon in the southwest was possibly an aircraft but because it varied in brightness so intensely and remained motionless for the 10 to 15 seconds I observed it, I thought Flare?! Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall Buzzard Coulee
Sorry Mike, Lone Rock is my preference. Especially since many collectors will be luck to get one lone rock of this fall. Cheers, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: tett t...@rogers.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 5:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Name the new Canadian fall Buzzard Coulee List, As Jeff pointed out the final decision on the new name is up to the Nomenclature Committee. That said, I have been advised that Buzzard Coulee is the desired new name and so I propose that we use that until the NomCom makes its final choice. That's what Alan H. and the U of C crew are calling it. His grad student Ellen Milley who found the first piece and Ian Mitchell, whose land (cow pond) it was found on both prefer Buzzard Coulee because that's where it was found. Ian also notes that it is the oldest geographic name in the area. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question re DHO811
Hi All, A while back I ordered a meteorite (small part slice) and got One marked DHO811 on the side (black lettering on white Painted background). I contacted the seller and he assured me it was what I had Ordered and was accidentally labeled wrong and he had forgotten To remove it. He even sold me another piece. HOWEVER, I neglected to put it in a newly labeled baggy Or display box. It weighs 1.475g and I think it is a Lost City or perhaps A Claxton??? Whoever sold it to me, PLEASE contact me and remind Me what the hell it is. I cannot sell it, of course, if I do not know For sure what it is. Off list, please. Thanks, Michael Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 2?
Is everyone getting duplicate posts or just me? Michael Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie
Jerry, I resent it in Rich Text to avoid the broken link but it's not posting. HTML is verboten. So let's try this: http://tinyurl.com/6rkt8l Thanks for the note! - John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Flaherty Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:32 PM To: Kashuba; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie John, try to resend that. The link doesn't seem to work - Original Message - From: Kashuba mary.kash...@verizon.net To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 2:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie Tracy, Zelimir, Bernd and all, I put pictures of Itqiy and Zakłodzie slices side by side here: http://johnkashuba.com/Pages/Meteorite%20Pages/Pictures/Zaklodzie%20Itqiy.ht m Maybe this helps a little. Regards, - John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir Gabelica Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 10:29 AM To: bernd.pa...@paulinet.de; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Itqiy and Zaklodzie Yes Bernd, you are perfectly right. Funny my misspelling the numbers. My fingers run too fast (actually my phone number starts with 2656...pfff!) Thanks for the reference. I just also received the PDF copy from David Weir and read the intro and the conclusions. Very interesting...the Itqiy-Zaklodzie-NWA 2526 continues. BTW, I have a pic of my Zaklodzie slice (14.1 g, 50x45x2 mm). Not the best quality but I'll sent it to you in a separate mail. If you feel it is informative for the list and if you can host it on your site, feel free to send the link. Thanks again for comments. Zelimir A 17:40 13/12/2008 +, bernd.pa...@paulinet.de a écrit : Hi Tracy, Zélimir and List, Zélimir: I can tell you (qualitatively) that their textures are definitely different. Tracy: Itqiy and Zaklodzie slices, do they actually look similar in section? No, they don't look similar at all! They have totally different grain sizes. Itqiy has a grain size that ranges from 0.5-1.7 mm in my specimen, whereas crystals in my tiny Zaklodzie slice have an average grain size of 0.5 mm. Tracy: Zaklodzie, however,...don't show the texture very well Zaklodzie is very hard to photograph. I've tried but without satisfactory results. I've also put my two smallish slices of Zaklodzie and Itqiy under the microscope and have taken pictures of them both side by side. Moderate result but one can clearly see the difference in texture. While it was quite difficult to take pics of my Zaklodzie slice, it was relatively easy to take pics of my Zaklodzie thin section in XP (cross-polarized) light. Zélimir: Itqiy is very similar to NWA 2656 (btw classified as E-achon in Met. Bull.) Huh?! NWA 2656 is classified as an acapulcoite! My itsy-bitsy 0.29-gram slice of that acapulcoite is even harder to photograph than the Zaklodzie :-( Klaus Keil, Addi Bischoff (2008) NWA 2526: A partial melt residue of enstatite chondrite parentage (MAPS 43-7, 2008, pp. 1233-1240): Well, the meteorite Zélimir is referring to, that's NWA 2526 and in the last two sentences of the abstract you'll find this: These similarities indicate that NWA 2526 and Itqiy may have formed on the same parent body. This body was different from the EH, EL, Shallowater and aubrite parent bodies, and NWA 2526 and Itqiy may represent samples from yet another, fifth enstatite meteorite parent body. Best, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD SALE
Hi list members. I have a nice NWA 964 Meteorite that ends tonight at 19:08:30 PST. NWA 964 METEORITE CHONDRITE 15.3gm HUPE COA IMCA CRUST ONLY 179 GRAM TKW GET YOUR OWN SLICE BLACK FUSION CRUST Item number: 270314077911 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=270314077911ssPageName= I'm hoping to get some more meteorites up for auction by Sunday evening. Thanks for looking and have a great night! Brian Cox searchingforfunon ebay IMCA#6387 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Santa Physics...again for 2008
Hi All, It seems it has befallen upon me to hold the job of official Santa Physics story reposter. So, in the true spirit of the season, here it is yet again. And as usual, I have not checked the math. Enjoy. Martin Engineering Christmas: Some points of contention. There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each dwelling. Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west which seems logical. This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has about 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purpose of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or other breaks. This requires that Santa's sleigh moves at 650 miles per second--3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and conventional reindeer can run at best 30 miles per hour. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500,000 tons, not counting Santa himself. On land a conventional reindeer can pull about 300 pounds. Even granting that the flying reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job just cannot be done with eight or nine of them-- Santa would need 360,000 reindeer! This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch). 4.600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance-- this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere (which may explain Rudolph's red nose). The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second. In short, they would instantaneously vaporize exposing the reindeer behind them to the same friction and also creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would vanish within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 miles per second in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 Gs. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering red-hot blob of goo. And yet, he returns year after year. Therefore, the rules of physics obviously don't apply to Santa and his yearly mission. Speaking as an engineer, this guy must know something about relativity that we have yet to discover. HO, HO, HO. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Meteorite Book
Yes, I can confirm the rumors that I have a meteorite book coming out soon. Its actually a monograph which is different than a book. For those non native English speakers, a monograph is a book extremely focused on a subject matter. In this case, its focused on just the Santa Lucia Meteorite Fall that occurred in January, 2008. I was fortunate to be the only field researcher there after the fall. The monograph contains my field notes, color pictures, stories, research, new Argentine law issues, and other items related to just this fall. 65 pages. This will be the first in a series of monographs covering meteorite falls and fines I've researched. That will include Tanzania, Deport, the new Canadian, etc... I'll roll these out when I damn well feel like it. :0) I'll give the list a heads up when it comes available. -mt __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buzzard Coullee
Hi all - What else to do but look through the email, as I sit here digesting a fine steak dinner... And here I was hoping for Manitou Lake, which is far prettier sounding, if not a prettier place in fact. Let's see: Spirit Lake versus what sounds like Buzzard's A**. But there's still hope, as I wonder were the center of this strewn field actually is? All of which led me to thinking. While the treaties were pretty specific, I wonder if they cover meteorites falling onto what at one time were the peoples' lands. Perhaps under the treaties some exceptions to Canadian meteorite ownership laws may exist similar to the casino, tobacco, gasoline, peyote, etc exceptions to US and state laws. What the hell, maybe its worth a shot. Here's my best wishes for the season for you, and I hope a more prosperous new year for all of us Good luck and good hunting, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Hoping that you have not lost your __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Santa Physics...again for 2008
Awe thats no fun Grinch! Have a merry christmas everyone! Steve --- On Sat, 12/13/08, Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com wrote: From: Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Santa Physics...again for 2008 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, December 13, 2008, 8:38 PM Hi All, It seems it has befallen upon me to hold the job of official Santa Physics story reposter. So, in the true spirit of the season, here it is yet again. And as usual, I have not checked the math. Enjoy. Martin Engineering Christmas: Some points of contention. There are approximately two billion children (persons under 18) in the world. However, since Santa does not visit children of Muslim, Hindu, Jewish or Buddhist religions, this reduces the workload for Christmas night to 15% of the total, or 378 million (according to the Population Reference Bureau). At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household, that comes to 108 million homes, presuming that there is at least one good child in each dwelling. Santa has about 31 hours of Christmas to work with thanks to the different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming he travels east to west which seems logical. This works out to 967.7 visits per second. This is to say that for each Christian household with a good child, Santa has about 1/1000th of a second to park the sleigh, hop out, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have been left for him, get back up the chimney, jump into the sleigh and get on to the next house. Assuming that each of these 108 million stops is evenly distributed around the earth (which of course, we know to be false, but will accept for the purpose of our calculations), we are now talking about 0.78 miles per household; a total trip of 75.5 million miles, not counting bathroom stops or other breaks. This requires that Santa's sleigh moves at 650 miles per second--3000 times the speed of sound. For purposes of comparison, the fastest man-made vehicle, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a poky 27.4 miles per second, and conventional reindeer can run at best 30 miles per hour. The payload of the sleigh adds another interesting element. Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium sized Lego set (two pounds), the sleigh is carrying over 500,000 tons, not counting Santa himself. On land a conventional reindeer can pull about 300 pounds. Even granting that the flying reindeer could pull ten times the normal amount, the job just cannot be done with eight or nine of them-- Santa would need 360,000 reindeer! This increases the payload, not counting the weight of the sleigh, another 54,000 tons or roughly seven times the weight of the Queen Elizabeth (the ship, not the monarch). 4.600,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous air resistance-- this would heat up the reindeer in the same fashion as spacecraft re-entering the earth's atmosphere (which may explain Rudolph's red nose). The lead pair of reindeer would absorb 14.3 quintillion joules of energy per second. In short, they would instantaneously vaporize exposing the reindeer behind them to the same friction and also creating deafening sonic booms in their wake. The entire reindeer team would vanish within 4.26 thousandths of a second, or right about the time Santa reached the fifth house on his trip. Not that it matters, however since Santa, as a result of accelerating from a dead stop to 650 miles per second in .001 seconds, would be subjected to centrifugal forces of 17,500 Gs. A 250 pound Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of the sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force, instantly crushing his bones and organs and reducing him to a quivering red-hot blob of goo. And yet, he returns year after year. Therefore, the rules of physics obviously don't apply to Santa and his yearly mission. Speaking as an engineer, this guy must know something about relativity that we have yet to discover. HO, HO, HO. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] iridium flares?
there have been several company's using weather balloons to send up cell phone repeaters. they travel up to 50 miles up . I suspect with it having no motion it is what you Saw. Steve __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
