Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
A knight in a rusty armour is better than a rogue in a golden robe. IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Good day. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Evans Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 12:58 An: M come Meteorite Meteorites Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Thank you Matteo, There are many others that agree with you that just choose not to speak up here on list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: bobe5...@comcast.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of scorpion bight main mass by http://qmig.org
Bob, standing firm or not-- you are talking out your rear. Everything you've ranted about is based on falsehoods and the fake facts you or your countryman invented. I've had a decent respect for you Bob, but this fairy-tale is an insult. The description of Haag raping and pillaging is a over the top. It is an attempt to revise history by creating a set of false facts underpinned in hyperbole. Contrary to your claims it isn't the truth you are trying to share. For the record and admittedly from memory, let me recount the circumstances of what ignited Australia's meteorite export law. Haag did not go to Australia looking for a lunar meteorite. He wasn't at the Millillibillie looking for chondrites to pillage. He was collecting Millillibillie when an unusual rock was brought into the collecting station. Were it not for Haag it would still be out there on an ant hill, unrecognized. Milli is a eucrite, Calcalong was a lunar so where are all these chondrites you are complaining that he raped and pillaged? When Calcalong Creek was recognized as lunar, an Australian Academic went ranting and raving and when he couldn't extort Haag to give him the entire meteorite, he went whining and crying to Parliament to get it back. He couldn't but they threw him a bone so he would shut up. You had politicians that saw an angle and exploited it. They were able to keep the Aboriginals repressed yet again but forcing them to sell their finds to the state at state set prices. If meteorites were such an important cultural heritage then why didn't the academics go looking for meteorites themselves? Why did they go uncollected? Why has Australian meteorite science been stagnant for the last 20 ears? Haag offered half of the Calcalong Creek lunar in a spirit of cooperating and the Australian academic (who's name escapes me) told Haag to pack sand. Until that time there were no laws regarding meteorite export and Haag was paying the Aboriginals to collect them on their own land. Using the same criteria, you are a rapist raping the Australian Herritage yourself, prostituting yourself for profit. Sounds like your main rant is that you didn't think of the raping and pillaging first. Just using your own hyperbole to illustrate a point. I understand you claim to be venting, but venting is no excuse for spreading facts that you know aren't true. Lay off the exaggerations, stick to the science and leave politics to scorpions. Good luck in getting your export permits. Elton --- On Fri, 12/12/08, Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au wrote: I need to unwind and vent a bit about why I have to sell a few of my prized finds... Rewind the clock twenty years or so when a young Robert H**G visited Australia and rewarded our fair country by raping pillaging and looting and illegally exporting many Australian chondrites... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of scorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org
Yes, Elton the protective laws in Australia yielded a disastrous effect for Australian meteorite research. The find rates completely broke down to a level lower than in the 19th century. Australia has more than 600 meteorites, but in the recent 10 years only 7 new meteorites were found. Remember the observed fireball from last autumn, it was a meteorite dropper for sure. Nobody was trying to hunt it down - in Europe and USA that would never happen. I can't imagine, that these effects were the intentions of the Australian meteorite researchers. Additionally the funds for purchases of the collections seem to be lousy. All in all, after all these wonderful years, it seems, that Australian meteorite research has come to an end. And that is a pity. I'm wondering, why Bevan et al. let this disastrous evolution happen. There must happen something, else world-class meteorite research in Australia will be a closed chapter in the history of science. I'm glad to live in a more open-minded and reasonable country, Unfortunately we haven't the deserts of Australia here. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Mr EMan Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 15:04 An: Meteorite; Bob WALKER Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of scorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org Bob, standing firm or not-- you are talking out your rear. Everything you've ranted about is based on falsehoods and the fake facts you or your countryman invented. I've had a decent respect for you Bob, but this fairy-tale is an insult. The description of Haag raping and pillaging is a over the top. It is an attempt to revise history by creating a set of false facts underpinned in hyperbole. Contrary to your claims it isn't the truth you are trying to share. For the record and admittedly from memory, let me recount the circumstances of what ignited Australia's meteorite export law. Haag did not go to Australia looking for a lunar meteorite. He wasn't at the Millillibillie looking for chondrites to pillage. He was collecting Millillibillie when an unusual rock was brought into the collecting station. Were it not for Haag it would still be out there on an ant hill, unrecognized. Milli is a eucrite, Calcalong was a lunar so where are all these chondrites you are complaining that he raped and pillaged? When Calcalong Creek was recognized as lunar, an Australian Academic went ranting and raving and when he couldn't extort Haag to give him the entire meteorite, he went whining and crying to Parliament to get it back. He couldn't but they threw him a bone so he would shut up. You had politicians that saw an angle and exploited it. They were able to keep the Aboriginals repressed yet again but forcing them to sell their finds to the state at state set prices. If meteorites were such an important cultural heritage then why didn't the academics go looking for meteorites themselves? Why did they go uncollected? Why has Australian meteorite science been stagnant for the last 20 ears? Haag offered half of the Calcalong Creek lunar in a spirit of cooperating and the Australian academic (who's name escapes me) told Haag to pack sand. Until that time there were no laws regarding meteorite export and Haag was paying the Aboriginals to collect them on their own land. Using the same criteria, you are a rapist raping the Australian Herritage yourself, prostituting yourself for profit. Sounds like your main rant is that you didn't think of the raping and pillaging first. Just using your own hyperbole to illustrate a point. I understand you claim to be venting, but venting is no excuse for spreading facts that you know aren't true. Lay off the exaggerations, stick to the science and leave politics to scorpions. Good luck in getting your export permits. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Ooops, of course I don't mean inhabitants of coastal Florida :-) It was that incident, when on ebay several auctions were held by a seller, whose ID was floridacoaster or so, who sold forged Dhofar-lunaites, not only with an invented legend, but with falsified certificates of the Institute of Planetology in Muenster, and the finder of that Dhofar number told too, that other than the story, the seller told, he never was selling material to him. Unfortunately a list member - although warned - distributed some of that material - in his freebies actions. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:gmh...@htn.net] Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 15:51 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Hello Martin and List, Martin wrote, IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Please clarify who you refer to by floridacoasters. I presume you refer to Stan and not one of the several Florida meteorite collectors/dealers like myself. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! A knight in a rusty armour is better than a rogue in a golden robe. IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Good day. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Evans Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 12:58 An: M come Meteorite Meteorites Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Thank you Matteo, There are many others that agree with you that just choose not to speak up here on list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: bobe5...@comcast.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Hi Martin, Thanks for the clarification. I somewhat remember that incident where someone was selling fakes, and the other rip-off artist, who actually is on the coast. Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Ooops, of course I don't mean inhabitants of coastal Florida :-) It was that incident, when on ebay several auctions were held by a seller, whose ID was floridacoaster or so, who sold forged Dhofar-lunaites, not only with an invented legend, but with falsified certificates of the Institute of Planetology in Muenster, and the finder of that Dhofar number told too, that other than the story, the seller told, he never was selling material to him. Unfortunately a list member - although warned - distributed some of that material - in his freebies actions. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Greg Hupe [mailto:gmh...@htn.net] Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 15:51 An: Martin Altmann Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Hello Martin and List, Martin wrote, IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Please clarify who you refer to by floridacoasters. I presume you refer to Stan and not one of the several Florida meteorite collectors/dealers like myself. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! A knight in a rusty armour is better than a rogue in a golden robe. IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Good day. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Evans Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 12:58 An: M come Meteorite Meteorites Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Thank you Matteo, There are many others that agree with you that just choose not to speak up here on list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: bobe5...@comcast.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho
[meteorite-list] IMCA?
Hi List, I never thought I would agree with any of these views that are critical of the IMCA, but I must admit (unfortunately) that I have seen some things that gives me pause about ever wanting to join again. I was rejected on my first time around for being too new on the scene. A few months later, a beginner I started out in the hobby (introduced and schooled) was accepted the first time after being on the scene for a fraction of the time I have. I have seen IMCA members use incorrect or misleading terminology to describe/sell specimens. I have seen IMCA members butcher and disrespect meteorites in the name of making a buck. (hideous resin-encased kindergarten junk) I have had IMCA members be rude to me - uncalled for at that. On the plus side (for the IMCA) - Some of the nicest people I have met on the meteorite scene are IMCA members. 2 of my meteorite mentors are IMCA members - I greatly value their friendship and expertise. I have gotten some GREAT deals from IMCA members. I have learned MUCH from talking with IMCA members. So, in the end, I have to say my opinion of the IMCA is conflicted. On the one hand, I feel a personal loyalty to some members who have become valued friends of mine. On the other hand, I think the IMCA is inconsistent and NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE. Until this house-cleaning takes place, I am not joining (even if they'd have me). Regards and clear skies, MikeG Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:51:39 +1000 From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: e8e6c4f63f3e4608b224fca6dfaa3...@your0a700f0aaf Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
I seen De Russe and Co. its the same on internet sale theyr fakes, IMCA or not IMCA. They are not vanished forever. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Mon, 15 Dec 2008 14:40:29 +0100 A knight in a rusty armour is better than a rogue in a golden robe. IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Good day. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Evans Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 12:58 An: M come Meteorite Meteorites Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Thank you Matteo, There are many others that agree with you that just choose not to speak up here on list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: bobe5...@comcast.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?
I think what the IMCA aspires to be is outstanding, and I wish the organization good fortune as it strives to do an better job in promoting an agenda which is of benefit to us all. On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, I never thought I would agree with any of these views that are critical of the IMCA, but I must admit (unfortunately) that I have seen some things that gives me pause about ever wanting to join again. I was rejected on my first time around for being too new on the scene. A few months later, a beginner I started out in the hobby (introduced and schooled) was accepted the first time after being on the scene for a fraction of the time I have. I have seen IMCA members use incorrect or misleading terminology to describe/sell specimens. I have seen IMCA members butcher and disrespect meteorites in the name of making a buck. (hideous resin-encased kindergarten junk) I have had IMCA members be rude to me - uncalled for at that. On the plus side (for the IMCA) - Some of the nicest people I have met on the meteorite scene are IMCA members. 2 of my meteorite mentors are IMCA members - I greatly value their friendship and expertise. I have gotten some GREAT deals from IMCA members. I have learned MUCH from talking with IMCA members. So, in the end, I have to say my opinion of the IMCA is conflicted. On the one hand, I feel a personal loyalty to some members who have become valued friends of mine. On the other hand, I think the IMCA is inconsistent and NEEDS TO CLEAN HOUSE. Until this house-cleaning takes place, I am not joining (even if they'd have me). Regards and clear skies, MikeG Message: 7 Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 08:51:39 +1000 From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: e8e6c4f63f3e4608b224fca6dfaa3...@your0a700f0aaf Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LOOKING FOR IMCA SPONSORSHIP! PLEASE SUPPORT THE CAUSE FOR A HONEST METEORITE COMMUNITY!
Hello, I want to join the IMCA. this whole thing about Evans, Casper, Matteo, etc... is important, and I believe its for reasons like these that the IMCA was established, to identify and extract the black cancers from among us honest members of the meteorite community. Also it is important to do everything possible to distance yourself, using all the available methods, to make a distinction from the good and the bad. The IMCA is and will be the first and foremost tool that collectors use to make a educated meteorite purchase. And I want to be a part of it, now more than ever. I ask for two sponsors to officially recommend my induction into IMCA Thank You, Have a great day! John Higgins __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Darryl, I'm glad you wrote this back so quick, because I was mulling over what I had said, and I think I may have come across wrong. I am not trying to bash the IMCA. I fully support their mission to police the meteorite marketplace and to put some measure of consistency into the handling and dealing of meteorites. And for the most part, I think the IMCA succeeds with flying colors in this respect. But, no group is perfect, and the IMCA can come across as inconsistent at times to people from outside the group. I am not privy to the IMCA's internal workings, so what I am saying must be taken with a grain of salt - since I am merely putting forth a single opinion as someone from outside the group. I am curious whether other people from outside the IMCA may feel the same way - a couple of comments I have read on the list in the last week have led me to believe that others might be seeing the same things I am. I'll also say I have never been burned on a deal by an IMCA member. In fact, (knock on wood), I have never been burned on a deal for meteorites by anyone (yet). I have been trading online since 1999, so I have good fraud radar - years of buying and collecting antique telescopes has taught me this. (there is a lot of fraud and misrepresentation in the the antique scope market). I have bought specimens from nearly every major member of this list over the last 12-16 months. The majority of these people are IMCA members - and their cordial nature and genuine desire to help newcomers is what gave me a positive impression of the meteorite field/hobby. But now that I have been a part of this hobby long enough to see some things, I am learning that our watchdogs also need some occasional watching. The IMCA is a large international collective - it has members from all walks of life and corners of the world. Like any such group, there is going to be some variation in how things are implemented from one member to the next. I have a great deal of respect for the IMCA and the majority of it's members, but my respect is not blind and I have seen a few things over the course of my time in the hobby that has tempered this respect with a measure of perspective. While I would consider it an honor to be a member of the same group as some of the highly-respected IMCA personalities, I think there are a few things going on that make me reluctant. Currently, I am greatly enjoying this hobby as a collector and kitchen-table dealer. I am also learning many new things about planetary science, space science, chemistry, geology, and meteoritics. I feel rewarded and stimulated by my participation in the world of meteorites - and I see no reason right now to change that participation by aligning myself with a particular group. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA? To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:38 AM I think what the IMCA aspires to be is outstanding, and I wish the organization good fortune as it strives to do an better job in promoting an agenda which is of benefit to us all. On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, I never thought I would agree with any of these views that are critical of the IMCA, but I must admit (unfortunately) that I have seen some things that gives me pause about ever wanting to join again. I was rejected on my first time around for being too new on the scene. A few months later, a beginner I started out in the hobby (introduced and schooled) was accepted the first time after being on the scene for a fraction of the time I have. I have seen IMCA members use incorrect or misleading terminology to describe/sell specimens. I have seen IMCA members butcher and disrespect meteorites in the name of making a buck. (hideous resin-encased kindergarten junk) I have had IMCA members be rude to me - uncalled for at that. On the plus side (for the IMCA) - Some of the nicest people I have met on the meteorite scene are IMCA members. 2 of my meteorite mentors are IMCA members - I greatly value their friendship and expertise. I have gotten some GREAT deals from IMCA members. I have learned MUCH from talking with IMCA members. So, in the end, I have to say my opinion of the IMCA is conflicted. On the one hand, I feel a personal loyalty to some members who have become valued friends of mine. On the other
Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of scorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org
Hi Elton and all, I also talked to Bob Haag about the lunar find and your account is the same one that Haag told me. Besides offering part of Calcalong Creek back to the Australians, he also donated some of it for NASA for scientific research. That was back before their was any meteorite export laws. As Martin said, few meteorites are now coming to light because of all this. I agree that rather than sit behind a keyboard and complain, why not go out and spend lots of your time, gas, money and knowledge and hunt for more specimens to be turned over to the Australian Institutes? Robert Haag has always been very enthusiastic about hunting for specimens, the science behind them and making money which is no crime. The complaintiff tried to make me feel guilty and sell some of my Australian specimens to him at a reduced rate because I shouldn't have had them without verifying where I got them from. There have been exchanges of material to other institutions from Australia so trade for some of that material are possible. I carry the export permits (or copies of them) with me in the case of any questions. One should get their facts straight before posting to this list. In the end, both hunters, collectors and researchers should work toward a common good to bring about more information on the mysteries, histories that meteorites hold. --AL Mitterling - Original Message - From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale of scorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org Bob, standing firm or not-- you are talking out your rear. Everything you've ranted about is based on falsehoods and the fake facts you or your countryman invented. I've had a decent respect for you Bob, but this fairy-tale is an insult. The description of Haag raping and pillaging is a over the top. It is an attempt to revise history by creating a set of false facts underpinned in hyperbole. Contrary to your claims it isn't the truth you are trying to share. For the record and admittedly from memory, let me recount the circumstances of what ignited Australia's meteorite export law. Haag did not go to Australia looking for a lunar meteorite. He wasn't at the Millillibillie looking for chondrites to pillage. He was collecting Millillibillie when an unusual rock was brought into the collecting station. Were it not for Haag it would still be out there on an ant hill, unrecognized. Milli is a eucrite, Calcalong was a lunar so where are all these chondrites you are complaining that he raped and pillaged? When Calcalong Creek was recognized as lunar, an Australian Academic went ranting and raving and when he couldn't extort Haag to give him the entire meteorite, he went whining and crying to Parliament to get it back. He couldn't but they threw him a bone so he would shut up. You had politicians that saw an angle and exploited it. They were able to keep the Aboriginals repressed yet again but forcing them to sell their finds to the state at state set prices. If meteorites were such an important cultural heritage then why didn't the academics go looking for meteorites themselves? Why did they go uncollected? Why has Australian meteorite science been stagnant for the last 20 ears? Haag offered half of the Calcalong Creek lunar in a spirit of cooperating and the Australian academic (who's name escapes me) told Haag to pack sand. Until that time there were no laws regarding meteorite export and Haag was paying the Aboriginals to collect them on their own land. Using the same criteria, you are a rapist raping the Australian Herritage yourself, prostituting yourself for profit. Sounds like your main rant is that you didn't think of the raping and pillaging first. Just using your own hyperbole to illustrate a point. I understand you claim to be venting, but venting is no excuse for spreading facts that you know aren't true. Lay off the exaggerations, stick to the science and leave politics to scorpions. Good luck in getting your export permits. Elton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?
Hi Michael. Every facet of your note is appreciated, and your observations and desires are both sober and reasonable. With warm regards...and clear skies / d, On Dec 15, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Darryl, I'm glad you wrote this back so quick, because I was mulling over what I had said, and I think I may have come across wrong. I am not trying to bash the IMCA. I fully support their mission to police the meteorite marketplace and to put some measure of consistency into the handling and dealing of meteorites. And for the most part, I think the IMCA succeeds with flying colors in this respect. But, no group is perfect, and the IMCA can come across as inconsistent at times to people from outside the group. I am not privy to the IMCA's internal workings, so what I am saying must be taken with a grain of salt - since I am merely putting forth a single opinion as someone from outside the group. I am curious whether other people from outside the IMCA may feel the same way - a couple of comments I have read on the list in the last week have led me to believe that others might be seeing the same things I am. I'll also say I have never been burned on a deal by an IMCA member. In fact, (knock on wood), I have never been burned on a deal for meteorites by anyone (yet). I have been trading online since 1999, so I have good fraud radar - years of buying and collecting antique telescopes has taught me this. (there is a lot of fraud and misrepresentation in the the antique scope market). I have bought specimens from nearly every major member of this list over the last 12-16 months. The majority of these people are IMCA members - and their cordial nature and genuine desire to help newcomers is what gave me a positive impression of the meteorite field/hobby. But now that I have been a part of this hobby long enough to see some things, I am learning that our watchdogs also need some occasional watching. The IMCA is a large international collective - it has members from all walks of life and corners of the world. Like any such group, there is going to be some variation in how things are implemented from one member to the next. I have a great deal of respect for the IMCA and the majority of it's members, but my respect is not blind and I have seen a few things over the course of my time in the hobby that has tempered this respect with a measure of perspective. While I would consider it an honor to be a member of the same group as some of the highly-respected IMCA personalities, I think there are a few things going on that make me reluctant. Currently, I am greatly enjoying this hobby as a collector and kitchen-table dealer. I am also learning many new things about planetary science, space science, chemistry, geology, and meteoritics. I feel rewarded and stimulated by my participation in the world of meteorites - and I see no reason right now to change that participation by aligning myself with a particular group. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA? To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:38 AM I think what the IMCA aspires to be is outstanding, and I wish the organization good fortune as it strives to do an better job in promoting an agenda which is of benefit to us all. On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, I never thought I would agree with any of these views that are critical of the IMCA, but I must admit (unfortunately) that I have seen some things that gives me pause about ever wanting to join again. I was rejected on my first time around for being too new on the scene. A few months later, a beginner I started out in the hobby (introduced and schooled) was accepted the first time after being on the scene for a fraction of the time I have. I have seen IMCA members use incorrect or misleading terminology to describe/sell specimens. I have seen IMCA members butcher and disrespect meteorites in the name of making a buck. (hideous resin-encased kindergarten junk) I have had IMCA members be rude to me - uncalled for at that. On the plus side (for the IMCA) - Some of the nicest people I have met on the meteorite scene are IMCA members. 2 of my meteorite mentors are IMCA members - I greatly value their friendship and expertise. I have gotten some GREAT deals from IMCA members. I have learned MUCH from talking with IMCA members. So, in the end, I have to say my
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?
When I first got into meteorites, one of the first things I did was join the IMCA. I would agree that they are not perfect but I ask, can you think of anything that is? I joined becouse of what they stand for and think what they are trying to do is a great thing an I am happy to be a member of a group that strives to do good and also gives something back to the community. While I do see it as more of a dealers club then anything else, I have enjoyed being a part of it and have only good to say about my time with them. Just my 2 cents on the subject. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA? To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 11:05 AM Hi Darryl, I'm glad you wrote this back so quick, because I was mulling over what I had said, and I think I may have come across wrong. I am not trying to bash the IMCA. I fully support their mission to police the meteorite marketplace and to put some measure of consistency into the handling and dealing of meteorites. And for the most part, I think the IMCA succeeds with flying colors in this respect. But, no group is perfect, and the IMCA can come across as inconsistent at times to people from outside the group. I am not privy to the IMCA's internal workings, so what I am saying must be taken with a grain of salt - since I am merely putting forth a single opinion as someone from outside the group. I am curious whether other people from outside the IMCA may feel the same way - a couple of comments I have read on the list in the last week have led me to believe that others might be seeing the same things I am. I'll also say I have never been burned on a deal by an IMCA member. In fact, (knock on wood), I have never been burned on a deal for meteorites by anyone (yet). I have been trading online since 1999, so I have good fraud radar - years of buying and collecting antique telescopes has taught me this. (there is a lot of fraud and misrepresentation in the the antique scope market). I have bought specimens from nearly every major member of this list over the last 12-16 months. The majority of these people are IMCA members - and their cordial nature and genuine desire to help newcomers is what gave me a positive impression of the meteorite field/hobby. But now that I have been a part of this hobby long enough to see some things, I am learning that our watchdogs also need some occasional watching. The IMCA is a large international collective - it has members from all walks of life and corners of the world. Like any such group, there is going to be some variation in how things are implemented from one member to the next. I have a great deal of respect for the IMCA and the majority of it's members, but my respect is not blind and I have seen a few things over the course of my time in the hobby that has tempered this respect with a measure of perspective. While I would consider it an honor to be a member of the same group as some of the highly-respected IMCA personalities, I think there are a few things going on that make me reluctant. Currently, I am greatly enjoying this hobby as a collector and kitchen-table dealer. I am also learning many new things about planetary science, space science, chemistry, geology, and meteoritics. I feel rewarded and stimulated by my participation in the world of meteorites - and I see no reason right now to change that participation by aligning myself with a particular group. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA? To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:38 AM I think what the IMCA aspires to be is outstanding, and I wish the organization good fortune as it strives to do an better job in promoting an agenda which is of benefit to us all. On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, I never thought I would agree with any of these views that are critical of the IMCA, but I must admit (unfortunately) that I have seen some things that gives me pause about ever wanting to join again. I was rejected on my first time around for being too new on the
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA?
You Elois and we Morlocks can peaceably co-exist provided individuals from either group don't market themselves as having a privileged position among collectors to provide meteorites. Those traits, ethics, are individual characteristics. Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to join (or not) the IMCA organization and it is a very personal and private decision in everyone's own world and experiences. No one ever should be made to feel it necessary to explain why they choose not to. I have dealt in a very small way, with MikeG and found him to be a conscientious and outstanding collector. That's all I have to say! Happy Holidays, Doug -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:05 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA? Hi Darryl, I'm glad you wrote this back so quick, because I was mulling over what I had said, and I think I may have come across wrong. I am not trying to bash the IMCA. I fully support their mission to police the meteorite marketplace and to put some measure of consistency into the handling and dealing of meteorites. And for the most part, I think the IMCA succeeds with flying colors in this respect. But, no group is perfect, and the IMCA can come across as inconsistent at times to people from outside the group. I am not privy to the IMCA's internal workings, so what I am saying must be taken with a grain of salt - since I am merely putting forth a single opinion as someone from outside the group. I am curious whether other people from outside the IMCA may feel the same way - a couple of comments I have read on the list in the last week have led me to believe that others might be seeing the same things I am. I'll also say I have never been burned on a deal by an IMCA member. In fact, (knock on wood), I have never been burned on a deal for meteorites by anyone (yet). I have been trading online since 1999, so I have good fraud radar - years of buying and collecting antique telescopes has taught me this. (there is a lot of fraud and misrepresentation in the the antique scope market). I have bought specimens from nearly every major member of this list over the last 12-16 months. The majority of these people are IMCA members - and their cordial nature and genuine desire to help newcomers is what gave me a positive impression of the meteorite field/hobby. But now that I have been a part of this hobby long enough to see some things, I am learning that our watchdogs also need some occasional watching. The IMCA is a large international collective - it has members from all walks of life and corners of the world. Like any such group, there is going to be some variation in how things are implemented from one member to the next. I have a great deal of respect for the IMCA and the majority of it's members, but my respect is not blind and I have seen a few things over the course of my time in the hobby that has tempered this respect with a measure of perspective. While I would consider it an honor to be a member of the same group as some of the highly-respected IMCA personalities, I think there are a few things going on that make me reluctant. Currently, I am greatly enjoying this hobby as a collector and kitchen-table dealer. I am also learning many new things about planetary science, space science, chemistry, geology, and meteoritics. I feel rewarded and stimulated by my participation in the world of meteorites - and I see no reason right now to change that participation by aligning myself with a particular group. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA? To: michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 9:38 AM I think what the IMCA aspires to be is outstanding, and I wish the organization good fortune as it strives to do an better job in promoting an agenda which is of benefit to us all. On Dec 15, 2008, at 10:26 AM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi List, I never thought I would agree with any of these views that are critical of the IMCA, but I must admit (unfortunately) that I have seen some things that gives me pause about ever wanting to join again. I was rejected on my first time around for being too new on the scene. A few months later, a beginner I started out in the hobby (introduced and schooled) was accepted the first time after being on the scene for a fraction of the time I have.
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 15, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Thank you Matteo, There are many others that agree with you that just choose not to speak up here on list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: bobe5...@comcast.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale ofscorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org
Hi Al, yes it is a dramatic regress in Australia. Science there really suffers from the restrictive laws. 7 meteorites in 10 years there. Look at the picture of the day, what a fine stone Moni found. She alone as an occasional weekend hunter in their home deserts has found more new meteorites than all the expeditions of a whole decade on a whole continent, carried out by institutes and universities in Australia! If I check the Bulletin database, there are listed fort he same time 278 (!) new falls and finds in USA, where the regulations are more liberal. And they are classified, hence from each find a deposit and a type specimen are now in the institutions. I don't know, I'm a layman with no degree in mineralogy or planetology and I'm not the most intelligent one - but these figures are so simply to understand and it is really not difficult to find them out - so I ask, why nobody of the Australians is the same worried like me and why there are still attempts by some scientists to restrict the meteorite scene in other countries in the same way. Obviously they aren't list members.. Strange. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von al mitterling Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 17:35 An: Mr EMan; Meteorite Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Aussie Meteorite Rant...was sale ofscorpionbight main mass by http://qmig.org Hi Elton and all, As Martin said, few meteorites are now coming to light because of all this. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Hello Martin and List, Martin wrote, IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Please clarify who you refer to by floridacoasters. I presume you refer to Stan and not one of the several Florida meteorite collectors/dealers like myself. Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! A knight in a rusty armour is better than a rogue in a golden robe. IMCA-labels reduce the probability especially for the beginners to fall for such sellers like the Minors, de Russes, Lindforses, Evanses, floridacoasters of the world and the Far-East-fakes-sellers... remarkably. Good day. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Bob Evans Gesendet: Montag, 15. Dezember 2008 12:58 An: M come Meteorite Meteorites Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Thank you Matteo, There are many others that agree with you that just choose not to speak up here on list. - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites i...@mcomemeteorite.it To: bobe5...@comcast.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! I have buy only one time from Bob Evans and all its go ok with no problems. For IMCA I agree with the words Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. this is right, many meteorite dealers is not IMCA member and they sale with no problems and its honestly. What I have say to a IMCA member time ago: a Logo - IMCA logo - not confirm if you are honestly or a good dealer. I am a ex IMCA member and I am kick off from this why I I had battle with Farmer, but for me is not a problem, I not cry if I not have a IMCA logo. Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bob Evans bobe5...@comcast.net A : Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Data : Sun, 14 Dec 2008 17:18:37 -0600 Oh Thanks Bob, Believe it or not I have many happy customers who continue to make purchases. And now that my customer base is shrinking thanks to all the conjecture that is strewn about this forum, some of them will be getting some great deals on my auctions. IMCA is a joke. Some of the most respectable people in the business never have and never will be a member of the IMCA. - Original Message - From: Bob WALKER qwal...@mailbox.ezadsl.net.au To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 4:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Listoids Heaven forbid ! The alleged guardian of our sacred community condoning the sale of Mekong Iron It isn't the first or last time that Listoids have been unhappy with IMCA... I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA ( ? by dealers for dealers ?) - tho I'm still acutely aware of the excellent work done by many IMCA members At least it will take the heat off Bob EVANS for a while __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.info Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] millbillillie on ebay $1 no reserve
if you need this meteorite cheap, here is a nice 5 g piece + micros: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasis __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: New Issue: Wee Rocky Droplets in Comet Dust
- Original Message - From: PSRD p...@higp.hawaii.edu To: psrdm...@soest.hawaii.edu Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 8:43 PM Subject: New Issue: Wee Rocky Droplets in Comet Dust Announcement from Planetary Science Research Discoveries [PSRD] New article online: Wee Rocky Droplets in Comet Dust --Tiny flash-melted objects in dust collected from comet Wild 2 were transported from the inner Solar System to the outer reaches where comets formed. - We invite you to: READ: First summary paragraph for a quick overview PRINT: pdf version VIEW: short slide summary - FULL ARTICLE at: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Dec08/cometDust.html - PSRD is an educational web site supported by NASA's SMD Cosmochemistry Program and the Hawaii Space Grant Consortium to share the latest research on meteorites, planets, moons, and other solar system bodies. You are subscribed to our free mailing list. We never send attachments. For more information please see http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/PSRDsubscribe.html - Jeff Taylor and Linda Martel Hawaii Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, University of Hawaii p...@higp.hawaii.edu voice (808) 956-3899 fax (808) 956-6322 http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Bob Walker posted: I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA Dear Bob: It always upsets me when I hear someone grumbling about the IMCA, but thankfully that's a rare occurrence. No organization is perfect, but the IMCA is a wonderful example of what hardworking people can accomplish when they try to make their community a better place. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and point fingers. It's a lot harder to actually get up and do something positive. Look at the current list of IMCA officers -- Dr. Larry Lebofsky, Anne Black, Peter Marmet, Jeff Kuyken, Andrzej Pilski, Martin Altmann, Sergey Vasiliev, Maria Haas, Norbert Classen. These people are not amateurs! They are some of the most respected names in our field and they give up enormous amounts of their personal time for no financial compensation in order to help steer the IMCA. The IMCA has established a set of ethical standards that members must adhere to and that's an excellent step forward as there have been quite a few out-and-out crooks selling in our field over the past decade. An IMCA logo on your website or eBay page tells prospective buyers that you are known by your peers to be a reputable seller. I have a suggestion for you: If you want to know what really goes on in the IMCA why not volunteer? They can for sure use the help and you will have the opportunity to discover for yourself how these good people are helping to improve the meteorite collecting world. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org IMCA #4242 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thank you for the I.M.C.A. discussion
Hello lists, thank you for the very wide discussion, which I could stimulate. It are the greenhorns, the newcomer who purchase the most metwrongs. But never an IMCA member should sell this shit. He should carry out the code of ethics. We all do mistakes but if someone do a mistake as an IMCA member selling unintended a metwrong to newcomers (and all other) he should iimmediately correct the deal if the customer can prove the assertion of wrongness. It is dishonorable to start an act of defensiveness and to bombard the new collector with allegations that he is not a professional person and has to stop talking. I did not know whether the IMCA has in the past suspended dishonorable member, but I think it is time to start. Otherwise this association will lost reputation. Uwe, who had bought from 2 IMCA member Mekong iron as Nantan. AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort können Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
Well spoken, Geoff - I fully agree to what you reasoned in a very gentlemanly manner... Alex Berlin/Germany IMCA # 0042 Original-Nachricht Datum: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:18:56 -0700 Von: Notkin geok...@notkin.net An: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour ! Bob Walker posted: I'd like to hear from other Listoids who have had disagreements with IMCA - I'm beginning to take the view that there is a bad odour to IMCA Dear Bob: It always upsets me when I hear someone grumbling about the IMCA, but thankfully that's a rare occurrence. No organization is perfect, but the IMCA is a wonderful example of what hardworking people can accomplish when they try to make their community a better place. It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and point fingers. It's a lot harder to actually get up and do something positive. Look at the current list of IMCA officers -- Dr. Larry Lebofsky, Anne Black, Peter Marmet, Jeff Kuyken, Andrzej Pilski, Martin Altmann, Sergey Vasiliev, Maria Haas, Norbert Classen. These people are not amateurs! They are some of the most respected names in our field and they give up enormous amounts of their personal time for no financial compensation in order to help steer the IMCA. The IMCA has established a set of ethical standards that members must adhere to and that's an excellent step forward as there have been quite a few out-and-out crooks selling in our field over the past decade. An IMCA logo on your website or eBay page tells prospective buyers that you are known by your peers to be a reputable seller. I have a suggestion for you: If you want to know what really goes on in the IMCA why not volunteer? They can for sure use the help and you will have the opportunity to discover for yourself how these good people are helping to improve the meteorite collecting world. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org IMCA #4242 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] odds and ends
Good afternoon all.This will be my last post on the list until tucson.I have some big projects going on so it will take me away from the list for a few weeks.A few years ago I was told I was no longer a member of the IMCA,because of my behaviour.I protested at first,but as time went on I accepted it and moved on.I tried for reinstatement,but was denied.Well I just reapplied.I will wait and see what happens.I would really like to be a member again.I think it is very important to be a member to a group that you are heavily involved with.For me it is collecting.Also after seeing all the negative adds about bob evans,I have to keep my 2 cents out of it.He and I have had a few differences,but it has all been settled.We both agreed from now on we would have a professional friendship towards each other and put all past endeavors behind us and look forward to the future.I also have a 202 gram unclassified stone meteorite that needs a good home.It is an endcut and has lots of metal.IT IS ALSO A FREEBIE!Also who is coming to tucson in 2009.I will be there feb 5th to feb 8th.I really look forward to seeing everyone and meeting newbies.Chime in for the freebie.Have a great day all. Steve R.Arnold,Chicago! http://chicagometeorites.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: BEST SALE OF THE YEAR ENDS WED/10th, More Highlights... Store wide Sale till Wed-night!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL! Well it is well underway: 37 Auctions listed at 0.99 cents, with a retail value of over $10,000.00 and a Store wide sale on over 200 meteorite specimens from 10% to 30% off! Go to: http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history They are some great meteorites listed and some great prices! Highlights: Beautiful Iron, Sweden, MUONIONALUSTA, 774g, One Of The Largest Inclusions ever! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286680831 Super Fine ESQUEL, Pallasite Slice, 20.28g, One of my last auction specimens! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286721166 Beautiful GIBEON, IVA Iron Specimen, 432g. A fantastic complete slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286721158 Seldom Available GRUVER, Texas, H4, 3.84g, nice one! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448362 Nice H3 From Namibia, KORRA KORRABES, 19.88g, Seldom available these days http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448373 Pallasite From Australia-HUCKITTA, 9.98 gram, cool looking. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448385 Super Rare Fall BATH FURNACE, Kentucky, 1.28g, These are my last specimens! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448407 Loaded W/Inclusions ODESSA, IAB, 346 gram CS, Do Not Miss This One! Museum Grade Slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286691003 SEYMCHAN Meteorite with Beautiful Etching, 67 gram, Really Nice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286669080 BRENHAM, Siderite From Kansas, 15.65 gram, You got to see this part slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286679720 Rare GLORIETA MOUNTAIN, Full Slice, 274 gram!, A complete Slice- Holiday Special- You will not see this again! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286669088 Rare NWA 2696, Howardite From Africa, 4.00g, A real nice part slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448428 Rare NWA 2932, Mesosiderite, Nice! 2.02 gram, Again, another nice part slice! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448460 A very Rare EL3 From Africa, NWA 2965, 200g, THE BLUE TYPE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286448472 RARE, SILVERTON, Texas, H4, LTKW, 0.54 gram, Only A Few Left! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286452520 CANYON DIABLO Individual, 342 gram, Avery nice individual! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286452529 Seldom Available TULIA (b), Texas, L6, 0.51g, Nice slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286665036 Seldom Available BRISCOE, Texas, L5, 4.56g, real nice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286665042 Classic GOLD BASIN, Arizona, L4, 52.79 gram, excellent individual! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286665055 (NEW) NWA 4851, L6 With Shock Lines, 80.20g, I love this meteorite- it is so cool! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286665040 Rare NWA 2635, Metachondrite-Achondrite,1.33g, Very rare and I only have a few! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286665063 Rare Ureilite From Africa, NWA 2634, 1.21g, I only have a few of these. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286665068 (New) NWA 4734, Lunar Specimen Display! Good Deal! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286669077 Very Rare and Beautiful, NWA 801, CR2, 4.20g, running low on this one too! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286679754 Ungrouped Ataxite, DRONINO, Russia, 109.62g, nice complete slice. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286680835 Super Rare GEORGETOWN, Australia, 17.28 gram, This IS my very last slice to auction out at 0.99 cents. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286711566 Amazing Lunar Highlands, NWA 5000, 0.184g, nice pieces! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286721163 TULIA (a), Texas, H5, Complete Slice, 115.5g, Bigger than most Tulia Specimens for Sale! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286721170 Extremely Rare NAVAJO, Arizona, IIAB Iron! Only piece I have. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286721157 A Beautiful Sikhote-Alin, IIAB Iron, 244g, This is a GREAT COMPLETE SLICE! One of my last to offer! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286699668 JIDDAT AL HARASIS 003, Oman, L5, 3.63 gram, I only have a couple left. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286698869 (New) NWA 4881, Lunar Feldspathic Specimen, these are really nice and big! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=200286669093 A Classic, OZONA, Texas, H6 Chondrite, 36.64g, This is a nice big slice!
[meteorite-list] NASA's Swift Looks to Comets for a Cool View
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/swift/bursts/cool_comet.html NASA's Swift Looks to Comets for a Cool View 12.03.08 NASA's Swift Gamma-ray Explorer satellite rocketed into space in 2004 on a mission to study some of the highest-energy events in the universe. The spacecraft has detected more than 380 gamma-ray bursts, fleeting flares that likely signal the birth of a black hole in the distant universe. In that time, Swift also has observed 80 exploding stars and studied six comets. Comets? ... Comets are dirty snowballs made of frozen gases mixed with dust. X-rays come from superhot plasmas. What do cold comets have in common with exploding stars or the birth of black holes? It was a big surprise in 1996 when the NASA-European ROSAT mission showed that comet Hyakutake was emitting X-rays, says Dennis Bodewits, a NASA Postdoctural Fellow at the Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. After that discovery, astronomers searched through ROSAT archives. It turns out that most comets emit X-rays when they come within about three times Earth's distance from the sun. Bodewits is working with the Swift team at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md., to study comets using data from the spacecraft's Ultraviolet/Optical Telescope (UVOT) and X-Ray Telescope (XRT). Swift is an excellent platform for studying dynamic processes in comets, he says. Ultraviolet wavelengths let astronomers identify the chemical composition of the comet's atmosphere, observe the structure of dust emission, and identify the rotation of the comet's icy nucleus. X-rays reveal the structure of the comet's gas and the state of the solar wind, a stream of charged particles that flows from the sun at speeds upwards of 900,000 mph. The piece, known as fragment C, is believed to be the comet's main body, which began splintering in 1995. In 2006, astronomers counted 66 fragments. Telescopes -- including NASA's Hubble and Spitzer -- revealed dust and condensations trailing several pieces. But fragment C showed no unusual changes -- except to Swift's ultraviolet eye. It's subtle, but Swift caught clouds of dust and perhaps small pieces that no one else was able to, Immler says. The UVOT also includes an ultraviolet grism, which combines a grating with a prism to separate incoming light by wavelength. Swift's grism spans the wavelengths where carbon-bearing molecules and the hydroxyl molecule are most active. This gives us a unique view into the types and quantities of gas a comet produces, and that gives us clues about the origin of comets and the solar system, Bodewits explains. In fact, with the failure of the Hubble Space Telescope's ultraviolet spectrograph in 2004, Swift is currently the only space observatory covering this wavelength range. As a comet's surface warms near the sun, the ices turn to gas and form a tenuous atmosphere, or coma, measuring hundreds of thousands of miles across. The solar wind pushes this gas back to form a comet's glowing gas tail. X-ray emission is a side effect of this interaction. The X-rays arise through a process called charge exchange. Fast-moving ions in the solar wind snatch electrons from uncharged atoms in the comet's atmosphere. The solar-wind ions give off X-rays as the relocated electrons settle into their new home. Because the interaction occurs over such a broad region, the total power output of these emissions can reach one billion watts. Charge exchange may play important roles in any objects where hot, expanding gas collides with cooler gas. One example: Young stars interacting with the gas and planets that might surround them. Comets provide excellent laboratories to explore these interactions. When Comet 17P/Holmes underwent a surprising outburst in October 2007, Bodewits tasked both Swift and NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory to observe it. The comet was too bright to observe with the UVOT. We were afraid we'd damage the instrument, Bodewits says. Despite this, we're still not sure whether we detected Holmes with the XRT or Chandra. At the time of the outburst, Holmes was about 19 degrees above the ecliptic, the plane in which the planets orbit the sun. At that elevation, the comet was probably experiencing a cooler, steadier flow from the solar wind. The source of this cooler flow wasn't hot enough to produce the ions Holmes needed to make X-rays, Bodewits notes. Four years ago today, Swift captured its first x-rays. The radiation came from Cygnus X-1, one of sky's strongest sources at these energies. The system, located within our galaxy, contains a hot, blue-giant star orbited by a black hole. Swift has operated two years longer than we had hoped, says Neil Gehrels, the mission's lead scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center. And while gamma-ray bursts and stellar explosions are the satellite's bread and butter, it's clear that Swift has a lot to contribute to other areas of astronomy. Francis Reddy NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas
Hello List-Members, I would like to send a few words of warning to anyone buying from Bob Evans: First on behalf of Dr A. Ehlmann, Curator of the Monnig Collection at TCU: He did only one trade with Bob and the pieces he gave in that trade are: 1. Beardsley, 36.7g fusion covered individual 2. Forest City, 3.7g fusion covered individual 3. Kendleton, 45.2g polished part end section with good fusion crust on back 4. Bruderheim, 20.0g block with one fusion side. 5. Mocs, 9g individual In that trade Dr. Ehlmann received a piece of Zulu Queen, Luotolax and Bialystok. And Bob represented that he had received the Zulu Queen it in a trade with UCLA. When asked UCLA responded: Impossible, they have never had any Zulu Queen in their collection. There was no serious response regarding the Bialystok and Luotolax. So where does that Zulu Queen come from? is it really Zulu Queen? How about Luotolax and Bialystok? Another list member bought a piece of another rare meteorite that was presented as being from TCU, and Dr. Ehlmann responded to that: Not true, TCU only has a tiny piece and had never traded out any of it. I will let that List-member speak for himself if he wishes to. In conclusion, Dr Ehlmann is not/will not do any more trade with Bob Evans. On my behalf: Bob, if you are planning to go to Tucson, you will not be welcomed in my room. And if you are planning on going to Michael Blood's auction, I will ask Michael to block you from bidding on any of the 40 pieces I have entered in that auction. I do not wish to sell anything to you. In conclusion, I have been a meteorite-dealer ten years (exactly ten years next week) and if there is one thing I have learned it is that Trust is absolutely paramount in the Meteorite World, and Bob, Trust is seriously lacking when dealing with you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) -- In a message dated 12/10/2008 2:06:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, bobe5...@comcast.net writes: Well, After taking off several months of Dealing meteorites, I can stay away no longer. I have some very nice offerings available over the next few weeks. I was fortunate enough to purchase another small collection of meteorites with some very unique meteorites ( some I never heard of ). Most of these have Monnig and AML Cards accompanying the specimens. So you will not need to ask me where or who I got them from ( you will NOT get an answer ) I keep my methods of acquisitions and contacts confidential. Here is a partial list : Mckinney Texas La Lande N.M. Plainview Ness Co. Kansas Sandia Mountains N.M. Ladder Creek Adrian Texas Romero Texas Morland Kansas Noreatur Kansas **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] odds and ends
on 12/15/08 11:10 AM, steve arnold at stevenarnold60...@yahoo.com wrote: Good afternoon all.This will be my last post on the list until tucson. Oh, Come on now, Steve, Don't tease us. Michael Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas
I had a similar situation with Bob involving a specimen of Mooresfort. I was told that he obtained the sample from a very reputable European dealer. When I contacted this individual, he told me he never had any specimens of Mooresfort. Mark Grossman - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: bobe5...@comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig,Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas Hello List-Members, I would like to send a few words of warning to anyone buying from Bob Evans: First on behalf of Dr A. Ehlmann, Curator of the Monnig Collection at TCU: He did only one trade with Bob and the pieces he gave in that trade are: 1. Beardsley, 36.7g fusion covered individual 2. Forest City, 3.7g fusion covered individual 3. Kendleton, 45.2g polished part end section with good fusion crust on back 4. Bruderheim, 20.0g block with one fusion side. 5. Mocs, 9g individual In that trade Dr. Ehlmann received a piece of Zulu Queen, Luotolax and Bialystok. And Bob represented that he had received the Zulu Queen it in a trade with UCLA. When asked UCLA responded: Impossible, they have never had any Zulu Queen in their collection. There was no serious response regarding the Bialystok and Luotolax. So where does that Zulu Queen come from? is it really Zulu Queen? How about Luotolax and Bialystok? Another list member bought a piece of another rare meteorite that was presented as being from TCU, and Dr. Ehlmann responded to that: Not true, TCU only has a tiny piece and had never traded out any of it. I will let that List-member speak for himself if he wishes to. In conclusion, Dr Ehlmann is not/will not do any more trade with Bob Evans. On my behalf: Bob, if you are planning to go to Tucson, you will not be welcomed in my room. And if you are planning on going to Michael Blood's auction, I will ask Michael to block you from bidding on any of the 40 pieces I have entered in that auction. I do not wish to sell anything to you. In conclusion, I have been a meteorite-dealer ten years (exactly ten years next week) and if there is one thing I have learned it is that Trust is absolutely paramount in the Meteorite World, and Bob, Trust is seriously lacking when dealing with you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) -- In a message dated 12/10/2008 2:06:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, bobe5...@comcast.net writes: Well, After taking off several months of Dealing meteorites, I can stay away no longer. I have some very nice offerings available over the next few weeks. I was fortunate enough to purchase another small collection of meteorites with some very unique meteorites ( some I never heard of ). Most of these have Monnig and AML Cards accompanying the specimens. So you will not need to ask me where or who I got them from ( you will NOT get an answer ) I keep my methods of acquisitions and contacts confidential. Here is a partial list : Mckinney Texas La Lande N.M. Plainview Ness Co. Kansas Sandia Mountains N.M. Ladder Creek Adrian Texas Romero Texas Morland Kansas Noreatur Kansas **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0 010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas
I doubt that it would be legal to exclude anyone from bidding on your items in a public auction. I guess we will see how that one works out soon enough. Don Rawlings --- On Mon, 12/15/08, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas To: bobe5...@comcast.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 4:35 PM Hello List-Members, On my behalf: Bob, if you are planning to go to Tucson, you will not be welcomed in my room. And if you are planning on going to Michael Blood's auction, I will ask Michael to block you from bidding on any of the 40 pieces I have entered in that auction. I do not wish to sell anything to you. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA not a knight in shining armour !
On Mon, 15 Dec 2008 11:18:56 -0700, you wrote: It's easy to sit behind a keyboard and point fingers. Not if you are trying to type at the same time. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas
Hello Anne, To change the main subject of this thread for a moment: You wrote: In conclusion, I have been a meteorite-dealer ten years (exactly ten years next week) ... Well, Anne, I congratulate you on your 10 years annEversary of meteorite-dealing! My best, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: bobe5...@comcast.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig,Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas Hello List-Members, I would like to send a few words of warning to anyone buying from Bob Evans: First on behalf of Dr A. Ehlmann, Curator of the Monnig Collection at TCU: He did only one trade with Bob and the pieces he gave in that trade are: 1. Beardsley, 36.7g fusion covered individual 2. Forest City, 3.7g fusion covered individual 3. Kendleton, 45.2g polished part end section with good fusion crust on back 4. Bruderheim, 20.0g block with one fusion side. 5. Mocs, 9g individual In that trade Dr. Ehlmann received a piece of Zulu Queen, Luotolax and Bialystok. And Bob represented that he had received the Zulu Queen it in a trade with UCLA. When asked UCLA responded: Impossible, they have never had any Zulu Queen in their collection. There was no serious response regarding the Bialystok and Luotolax. So where does that Zulu Queen come from? is it really Zulu Queen? How about Luotolax and Bialystok? Another list member bought a piece of another rare meteorite that was presented as being from TCU, and Dr. Ehlmann responded to that: Not true, TCU only has a tiny piece and had never traded out any of it. I will let that List-member speak for himself if he wishes to. In conclusion, Dr Ehlmann is not/will not do any more trade with Bob Evans. On my behalf: Bob, if you are planning to go to Tucson, you will not be welcomed in my room. And if you are planning on going to Michael Blood's auction, I will ask Michael to block you from bidding on any of the 40 pieces I have entered in that auction. I do not wish to sell anything to you. In conclusion, I have been a meteorite-dealer ten years (exactly ten years next week) and if there is one thing I have learned it is that Trust is absolutely paramount in the Meteorite World, and Bob, Trust is seriously lacking when dealing with you. Anne M. Black http://www.impactika.com/ impact...@aol.com Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) -- In a message dated 12/10/2008 2:06:42 PM Mountain Standard Time, bobe5...@comcast.net writes: Well, After taking off several months of Dealing meteorites, I can stay away no longer. I have some very nice offerings available over the next few weeks. I was fortunate enough to purchase another small collection of meteorites with some very unique meteorites ( some I never heard of ). Most of these have Monnig and AML Cards accompanying the specimens. So you will not need to ask me where or who I got them from ( you will NOT get an answer ) I keep my methods of acquisitions and contacts confidential. Here is a partial list : Mckinney Texas La Lande N.M. Plainview Ness Co. Kansas Sandia Mountains N.M. Ladder Creek Adrian Texas Romero Texas Morland Kansas Noreatur Kansas **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Phoenix Site on Mars May be in Dry Climate Cycle Phase
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2008-236 Phoenix Site on Mars May be in Dry Climate Cycle Phase Jet Propulsion Laboratory December 15, 2008 PASADENA, Calif. -- The Martian arctic soil that NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander dug into this year is very cold and very dry. However, when long-term climate cycles make the site warmer, the soil may get moist enough to modify the chemistry, producing effects that persist through the colder times. Phoenix found clues increasing scientists' confidence in predictive models about water vapor moving through the soil between the atmosphere and subsurface water-ice. The models predict the vapor flow can wet the soil when the tilt of Mars' axis, the obliquity, is greater than it is now. The robot worked on Mars for three months of prime mission, plus two months of overtime, after landing on May 25. The Phoenix science team will be analyzing data and running comparison experiments for months to come. With some key questions still open, team members at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union today reported on their progress. We have snowfall from the clouds and frost at the surface, with ice just a few inches below, and dry soil in between, said Phoenix Principal Investigator Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson. During a warmer climate several million years ago, the ice would have been deeper, but frost on the surface could have melted and wet the soil. With no large moon like Earth's to stabilize it, Mars goes through known periodic cycles when its tilt becomes much greater than Earth's. During those high-tilt periods, the sun rises higher in the sky above the Martian poles than it does now, and the arctic plain where Phoenix worked experiences warmer summers. The ice under the soil around Phoenix is not a sealed-off deposit left from some ancient ocean, said Ray Arvidson of Washington University in St. Louis, lead scientist for the lander's robotic arm. It is in equilibrium with the environment, and the environment changes with the obliquity cycles on scales from hundreds of thousands of years to a few million years. There have probably been dozens of times in the past 10 million years when thin films of water were active in the soil, and probably there will be dozens more times in the next 10 million years. Cloddy texture of soil scooped up by Phoenix is one clue to effects of water. The mission's microscopic examination of the soil shows individual particles characteristic of windblown dust and sand, but clods of the soil hold together more cohesively than expected for unaltered dust and sand. Arvidson said, It's not strongly cemented. It would break up in your hand, but the cloddiness tells us that something is taking the windblown material and mildly cementing it. That cementing effect could result from water molecules adhering to the surfaces of soil particles. Or it could be from water mobilizing and redepositing salts that Phoenix identified in the soil, such as magnesium perchlorate and calcium carbonate. The Thermal and Electrical Conductivity Probe on Phoenix detected electrical-property changes consistent with accumulation of water molecules on surfaces of soil grains during daily cycles of water vapor moving through the soil, reported Aaron Zent of NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif., lead scientist for that probe. There's exchange between the atmosphere and the subsurface ice, Zent said. A film of water molecules accumulates on the surfaces of mineral particles. It's not enough right now to transform the chemistry, but the measurements are providing verification that these molecular films are occurring when you would expect them to, and this gives us more confidence in predicting the way they would behave in other parts of the obliquity cycles. The Phoenix mission is led by Smith at the University of Arizona with project management at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., and development partnership at Lockheed Martin, Denver. International contributions come from the Canadian Space Agency; the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the universities of Copenhagen and Aarhus, Denmark; Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish Meteorological Institute; and Imperial College, London. For more about Phoenix, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov Rachel Prucey 650-604-0643 NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, Calif. rachel.l.pru...@nasa.gov Lori Stiles 520-626-4402 University of Arizona, Tucson lsti...@u.arizona.edu 2008-236 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] IMCA?
List; I for one fully support the IMCA and their methods of projecting integrity and honesty into the collecting,sales and study of meteorites for the meteorite community.It isn't a heavy handed approach but a reasoned and fair method of TRYING to solve some of the problems that arise in the meteorite community.Such a method only works if the whole organization of INDIVIDUALS supports such methods.And i believe we do.Being selective with new members and requiring sponsors in my opinion adds the air of integritry to new members.And having a logo to apply to sales and communications documents helps keep most meteoriteophiles honest.We police our own selfs,in reality and these methods help us do just that.TO THINE OWN SELF BE TRUE! Best Regards;Herman Archer IMCA 2770 **Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dpicid=aolcom40vanityncid=emlcntaolcom0010) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Best Easel for small Riker boxes?
Hi folks! Is there a preferred easel to prop up and display small 3x4 Riker boxes? I am building up a large number of them and I want some way to display them on a shelf. I have tried those little clear plastic easels used for coins and poker chips, but they are not really deep enough and the Riker box tends to slide off with the slightest disturbance. (with cats running around the house, this isn't going to work) What about those little wire-frame easels sold by MigaCorp? Do those work well with Rikers? A while back, I recall another list member asked the list about a solution for storing/displaying large numbers of Riker boxes. I don't recall him getting an answer. Does anyone know of a stepped display system that will hold a couple of dozen small Rikers? Thanks in advance! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Best Easel for small Riker boxes?
Michael, Check out August 2008 Meteorite Mag.. Hall of Meteorites. Anita Westlake has a nice (and easy) wall mount solution for her Riker boxes. If you need a portable solution then probably your best bet is some type of custom wood frame to hold a bunch. Cheers! Mike Tettenborn Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi folks! Is there a preferred easel to prop up and display small 3x4 Riker boxes? I am building up a large number of them and I want some way to display them on a shelf. I have tried those little clear plastic easels used for coins and poker chips, but they are not really deep enough and the Riker box tends to slide off with the slightest disturbance. (with cats running around the house, this isn't going to work) What about those little wire-frame easels sold by MigaCorp? Do those work well with Rikers? A while back, I recall another list member asked the list about a solution for storing/displaying large numbers of Riker boxes. I don't recall him getting an answer. Does anyone know of a stepped display system that will hold a couple of dozen small Rikers? Thanks in advance! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lowest prices of the year! Free world wide shipping! Buy it now is at the lowest price (sale/ad) Over $8500 in great deals!
Hello all I have not sold a single thing on E bay in more than a month, that means I either have to find a job or have a real sale. Jobs are a little tough to find right now so I decided to have a sale. I looked at the prices and took them as low as I could go then I threw in FREE SHIPPING ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD! All my sale items have the buy it now option at the LOWEST price so you don't have to wait a week to see if your low bid holds up. All you have to do is be the first one to use the buy it now and you get the lowest price right then! I have more than $8500 in great meteorites up for grabs even at these reduced prices! Old Santa might even want a couple of these great pieces in his stocking. You will not see these pieces at lower prices ever again, so if you have been looking you had better not wait any longer. Here is a link to my buy it now at the lowest price of the year auctions http://www.meteoritefinder.com/meteorite-auctions.htm -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE
Please, I am overwhelmed with NON meteorite-list emails. While the discussion is perfect, I am not interested in IMCA problems. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Best Easel for small Riker boxes?
Hi Michael, See the previous METEORITE Magazine - article by Dave Gheesling On the GA Meteorite club - it has a photo of Anita Westlake's fabulous Display in her hallway. It is exactly what you are talking about and I have seen it in person and it knocks your socks off. It should be relatively simple to make. I am sure if you contacted Anita she would Give you any pointers she learned in the process. She is extremely Friendly and generous with her time - a real Southern Belle in the Best sense of the term. Best wishes, Michael on 12/15/08 4:07 PM, Michael Gilmer at michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi folks! Is there a preferred easel to prop up and display small 3x4 Riker boxes? I am building up a large number of them and I want some way to display them on a shelf. I have tried those little clear plastic easels used for coins and poker chips, but they are not really deep enough and the Riker box tends to slide off with the slightest disturbance. (with cats running around the house, this isn't going to work) What about those little wire-frame easels sold by MigaCorp? Do those work well with Rikers? A while back, I recall another list member asked the list about a solution for storing/displaying large numbers of Riker boxes. I don't recall him getting an answer. Does anyone know of a stepped display system that will hold a couple of dozen small Rikers? Thanks in advance! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
While this is not directly related to meteorites it IS applicable: Is anyone on the list thechno-savvy (ie enough Of a computer geek) to know how to Foreword an Email that has attachments and INCLUDE the Attachments in the foreword??? Occasionally I want to do this, but have had to Download all attachments to my desktop and then Upload them individually to the email I am going To send. It would be SO much easier to just hit Foreword and include all the attachments. So, is there a way to do that? You can post to The list as I am sure most members would love to Have this ability if it exists. Thanks, Michael Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE
But this is a list for discussion of meteorite related things and the IMCA is meteorite related. In my opinion, this has been a good discussion and is more welcomed then the normal ads that I am flooded with from here. I welcome the non ad based meteorite related posts and wish the owner of this list would start up one for ads so this list could be free of them - Im sure many others would agree. Ive said it before and I will say it again, I signed up to this list for meteorite related information and discussion and I from what I have seen, this list is used as more of a means of advertisement then anything else... This isnt anything against you Mike, the meteorites I have gotten from you are some of the nicer samples in my collection, this is just my thoughts on the subject and I hope you dont get offended. Greg --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:45 PM Please, I am overwhelmed with NON meteorite-list emails. While the discussion is perfect, I am not interested in IMCA problems. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Best Easel for small Riker boxes?
Michael x 2, Anita's article you're referring to was back in the August 2008 Meteorite issue, and I recall that she had a bit of a diagram in her article with measurements, pointers from the construction learning curve and the like. Very cool exhibit, indeed. The Meteorite Association of Georgia article was in the November 2008 issue. All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 9:36 PM To: Michael Gilmer IMCA candidate; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Best Easel for small Riker boxes? Hi Michael, See the previous METEORITE Magazine - article by Dave Gheesling On the GA Meteorite club - it has a photo of Anita Westlake's fabulous Display in her hallway. It is exactly what you are talking about and I have seen it in person and it knocks your socks off. It should be relatively simple to make. I am sure if you contacted Anita she would Give you any pointers she learned in the process. She is extremely Friendly and generous with her time - a real Southern Belle in the Best sense of the term. Best wishes, Michael on 12/15/08 4:07 PM, Michael Gilmer at michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi folks! Is there a preferred easel to prop up and display small 3x4 Riker boxes? I am building up a large number of them and I want some way to display them on a shelf. I have tried those little clear plastic easels used for coins and poker chips, but they are not really deep enough and the Riker box tends to slide off with the slightest disturbance. (with cats running around the house, this isn't going to work) What about those little wire-frame easels sold by MigaCorp? Do those work well with Rikers? A while back, I recall another list member asked the list about a solution for storing/displaying large numbers of Riker boxes. I don't recall him getting an answer. Does anyone know of a stepped display system that will hold a couple of dozen small Rikers? Thanks in advance! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Hi, Michael, First, save the attached file to a handy HD somewhere. Then, create the Forward copy. Then Attach the saved attachment to the copy to be forwarded. Send it. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question While this is not directly related to meteorites it IS applicable: Is anyone on the list thechno-savvy (ie enough Of a computer geek) to know how to Foreword an Email that has attachments and INCLUDE the Attachments in the foreword??? Occasionally I want to do this, but have had to Download all attachments to my desktop and then Upload them individually to the email I am going To send. It would be SO much easier to just hit Foreword and include all the attachments. So, is there a way to do that? You can post to The list as I am sure most members would love to Have this ability if it exists. Thanks, Michael Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE
Greg, I stand corrected. As I read through them, they are not actually IMCA business, but meteorite related affairs, and I agree, they are relevant. I am just leaving Tokyo to go home for all of two days, then off to the arctic to enjoy some 30 below weather for a white Christmass. Tucson is on the way, barely one month to go, so get ready everyone! Happy holidays and may some more meteorites fall before 2008 ends. Michael Farmer NON-IMCA dealer for more than 10 years, for my own personal reasons. IMCA is great concept, but I will be free to speak my mind for another 10 years. --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:13 PM But this is a list for discussion of meteorite related things and the IMCA is meteorite related. In my opinion, this has been a good discussion and is more welcomed then the normal ads that I am flooded with from here. I welcome the non ad based meteorite related posts and wish the owner of this list would start up one for ads so this list could be free of them - Im sure many others would agree. Ive said it before and I will say it again, I signed up to this list for meteorite related information and discussion and I from what I have seen, this list is used as more of a means of advertisement then anything else... This isnt anything against you Mike, the meteorites I have gotten from you are some of the nicer samples in my collection, this is just my thoughts on the subject and I hope you dont get offended. Greg --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:45 PM Please, I am overwhelmed with NON meteorite-list emails. While the discussion is perfect, I am not interested in IMCA problems. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas
What about the signs in a lot of store windows that say: We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone Pete IMCA 1733 - Original Message - From: Don Rawlings psc241...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig,Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas I doubt that it would be legal to exclude anyone from bidding on your items in a public auction. I guess we will see how that one works out soon enough. Don Rawlings --- On Mon, 12/15/08, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad- Monnig, Aml and other goodies just in time for xmas To: bobe5...@comcast.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 4:35 PM Hello List-Members, On my behalf: Bob, if you are planning to go to Tucson, you will not be welcomed in my room. And if you are planning on going to Michael Blood's auction, I will ask Michael to block you from bidding on any of the 40 pieces I have entered in that auction. I do not wish to sell anything to you. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE
Greg and List, I agree. Many dealers udse this list as advertisment. In my mind too this is not the sense of such a list. Uwe (spell ew ve) -Ursprüngliche Mitteilung- Von: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Verschickt: Di., 16. Dez. 2008, 4:13 Thema: Re: [meteorite-list] THIS IS NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE But this is a list for discussion of meteorite related things and the IMCA is meteorite related. In my opinion, this has been a good discussion and is more welcomed then the normal ads that I am flooded with from here. I welcome the non ad based meteorite related posts and wish the owner of this list would start up one for ads so this list could be free of them - Im sure many others would agree. Ive said it before and I will say it again, I signed up to this list for meteorite related information and discussion and I from what I have seen, this list is used as more of a means of advertisement then anything else... This isnt anything against you Mike, the meteorites I have gotten from you are some of the nicer samples in my collection, this is just my thoughts on the subject and I hope you dont get offended. Greg --- On Mon, 12/15/08, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] THIS IS=2 0NOT THE IMCA list. TAKE IT ELSEWHERE To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, December 15, 2008, 8:45 PM Please, I am overwhelmed with NON meteorite-list emails. While the discussion is perfect, I am not interested in IMCA problems. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list AOL eMail auf Ihrem Handy! Ab sofort können Sie auch unterwegs Ihre AOL email abrufen. Registrieren Sie sich jetzt kostenlos. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunt Invitation by Ruben Garcia
Dear List, The following message is from Ruben who was unable to post to the list. Open Invitation to Hunt Meteorites In Holbrook Hi all, A few friends and myself are going to be hunting meteorites in Holbrook on Dec 27-28. Timing may be bad as these dates are obviously between Xmas and New Years. However, we'd like to invite anyone who'd like to learn the ins and outs of hunting meteorites in this famous strewnfield to join us. The more the merrier, very informal, no experience necessary.. Come meet us out there and lets hopefully find a few space rocks! Email me off list if you need directions or just want to say you're coming. my email is: meteoritem...@yahoo.com Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
