[meteorite-list] Siberian Impact Crater to be cored for ancient climate data
Impact geology and subsequent paleoclimate in one package--El'gygytgyn Lake, in Siberia is 8 miles in diameter and lies within a 3.6 million year old(myo) impact crater. A multinational team hopes to recover 3,000,000 years worth of ice and sediment cores from this lake plus impact breccia from the impact itself. Eman The Science Daily Link: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/12/081220084841.htm The Article: Under Frozen Lake In Siberia, Geoscientists Drill For Secrets Of Earth's Ancient Climate ScienceDaily (Dec. 22, 2008) — In the next few days, a convoy of bulldozers and trucks will set out from a remote airport in Siberia, heading for a frozen lake 62 miles north of the Arctic Circle, but the trip isn’t a holiday visit to the North Pole. Instead, the trucks will deliver core-drilling equipment for a study of sediment and meteorite-impact rocks that should provide the longest time-continuous climate record ever collected in the Arctic. Once in place next month, the drilling will allow an international team of geoscientists led by Julie Brigham-Grette of the University of Massachusetts Amherst and Martin Melles of the University of Cologne, Germany, to burrow back in time, retrieving core samples more than 3 million years old and answering questions about Earth’s ancient past. Almost impossibly remote, Lake El’gygytgyn (pronounced el’geegitgin), approximately 8 miles in diameter, was formed 3.6 million years ago when a monster meteor, more than a half-mile across, slammed into the Earth between the Arctic Ocean and the Bering Sea. Because this part of the Arctic was never covered by ice sheets or glaciers, it has received a steady drift of sediment – as much as a quarter mile (1,312 feet or 400 meters) deep – since impact. Thus, it offers a continuous depositional record unlike any other in the world, say Brigham-Grette and colleagues, beneath the crater lake that’s just over 560 feet deep, equal to the height of the Washington Monument. This week’s convoy will take 25 days to crawl through the frozen dark, building a 224-mile ice road as they go, over which the heavy drilling equipment can be moved from the remote airstrip at Pevek, in the north of Russia’s Chukotka Autonomous Region. “Lake El’gygytgyn is logistically among the most difficult places on Earth to carry out a scientific drilling program,” Brigham-Grette acknowledges. But by all accounts, the rewards should be worth all the effort. In preparation for this day, scientists from institutes in Germany, Russia and Austria as well as UMass Amherst have been flying in by helicopter for focused tests over the past 10 years, drilling pilot cores and taking other samples and measurements. The site has passed every test. For example, the lake bed has been undisturbed by earthquakes, other underground shifting or drying for thousands of years. Pilot cores of 16.7 meters long (54 feet) have already provided a snapshot of climate from 300,000 years ago. El’gygytgyn thus offers a truly unprecedented and ideal opportunity, Brigham-Grette notes, for piecing together a clearer picture of the hemisphere’s prehistoric climate and the dynamic processes of global climate change since the meteor’s impact. Notably, the researchers hope they can learn more about the unexplained shift from a warm forest ecology to permafrost, some 2 million to 3 million years ago. Comparing cores from under Lake El’gygytgyn to those from lower latitudes will help the climate scientists with a high-resolution tool to study climatic change across northeast Asia “at millennial timescales,” Brigham-Grette says. In addition to climate data, cores may offer the researchers an opportunity to study the 3.6-million-year-old “impact breccia,” that is, how Earth’s bedrock responded to the meteor’s impact. Some sampling began in November at the science camp drilling site on the lakeshore, where researchers will study the climate history of the permafrost (frozen ground) that surrounds the lake. The other two drill sites will be in the deepest part of the lake. Waiting until Arctic winter to transport and install the equipment, the team can use the frozen lake surface to support drills specially designed to withstand the extreme weather conditions. The scientists plan to start drilling overlapping cores at these frigid locations in February using the windswept lake ice as a drilling platform. Sampling will continue until May 2009, as part of the International Continental Scientific Drilling Program (ICDP). To ensure the safety of both scientists and drill-team members on the isolated lake in potentially life-threatening conditions, Brigham-Grette and colleagues have scrutinized how the ice shifts, cracks, and responds to heavy wind and circulation forces before settling on rig placement. Workers and scientists will live in a protected personnel carrier that will also transport cores from the rig on the lake ice to the
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 3, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas
I know in my heart that you are absolutely right Elton. But there are so few environments out here that can provide accessible search areas that it's my last hope of following in the footsteps of all of the List's exciting adventures. I've even done some magnet snorkle dives driven by the tales recounted here. I probably won't throw money into an expensive detector unless and until there is more evidence to support such ideas.. As far as kettle ponds are concerned, underlying terrain provides the pattern of these. And yes, glacial deposits would overlay any evidence of impact. However, my assumption, or hypothesis, considers the best case senerio or senerios. Either post glacial origin or other, as yet to be undetermined, factors compromising glacial fill [tsunami, earthquake, and about the same luck as would be needed to win a lottery in picking the right pond, etc]. Thanks for the response. Always reassuring to be recognized, especially by someone as thoughtfully challanging as you. P.S. google cattle pond in plymouth, ma, 02360. Note its shape. Instead of being shallow, it's quite deep. And oh yea, it's in my backyard. - Original Message - From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Hey stimulate the economy buy the detector and wetsuit and have at it, Jerry you might defeat the odds at that. BUT of those 360+ natural ponds, at least 359 of them are kettle lakes with glacial origins..any impact pit/crater older than 8000-13,000 years would have been filled by glacial debris. Seems like a soil sampling auger would be more meaningful than a metal detector. Frankly, given a 300+ year Anglo history in New England, I'll further wager at least 359 of those ponds have iron in them anyway. I always hedge against the 6thSD outlier. The only way to know for sure is sample them all. Elton --- On Fri, 1/2/09, Jerry Flaherty g...@verizon.net wrote: I live in Plymouth, MA, the land of 360 ponds, many of which are actually moderate sized lakes..Thanks for the article Steve. An additional motivation to invest in an underwater detector to confirm or dispute my own personal suspisions about some of their origins. Jerry Flaherty __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on the Younger Dryas 'impact event'
Well balanced with an edge to the sympathetic. - Original Message - From: Mark Crawford m...@meteorites.cc To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] More on the Younger Dryas 'impact event' http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7808171.stm -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] meteor shower
I was asked to post this to the list since the Bakers were unable to do so. Twink Monrad 1/3/2009 Does anyone on the list know if there is a current meteor shower? Jake and I were out walking the dogs at 5:45 this morning and saw 7 or 8 meteors. There has been some activity every morning or evening for the last week or more. Our location is Show Low, Arizona, USA. Lat/Lon at our airport is 34-15-55N / 110-00-20W The sightings have been almost over head, out of the NNE to NNW. The display is less than a second with a very flat arc. 2009 is going to be a great year having seen so many meteors in the first three days. See you at Tucson. Thanks. Barb Jake __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor shower
Twink: It was the Quadrantid shower which peaked in the early morning today (5 am PST). George __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quadrantids
Twink: I was out at 6:00 a.m. putting wood in the greenhouse woodstove. During the 5 minute walk, I saw 7 meteors. The best viewing was supposed to be Out West, but it looked pretty good here in northern Indiana. Phil Whitmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor shower
Hi Twink: Yes, got beat out on the response that it was the Quadrantids (radiates out from a now-defunct constellation, Quadrans Muralis; mural or wall quandrant). It also appears to be related to a 2-km asteroid, 2003 EH1. However, going back even further, there is a lost comet, C/1490 Y1 (seen in 1490) that may now look less comet-like and more asteroid-like, i.e. EH1 is really a defunct comet. Larry On Sat, January 3, 2009 7:56 am, Larry Twink Monrad wrote: I was asked to post this to the list since the Bakers were unable to do so. Twink Monrad 1/3/2009 Does anyone on the list know if there is a current meteor shower? Jake and I were out walking the dogs at 5:45 this morning and saw 7 or 8 meteors. There has been some activity every morning or evening for the last week or more. Our location is Show Low, Arizona, USA. Lat/Lon at our airport is 34-15-55N / 110-00-20W The sightings have been almost over head, out of the NNE to NNW. The display is less than a second with a very flat arc. 2009 is going to be a great year having seen so many meteors in the first three days. See you at Tucson. Thanks. Barb Jake __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pallasite vs. Mesosiderite
Elton, Well said. That is a very coherent explanation of the differences between the two. With your permission only, I'd like to repost this on the Cloudy Nights meteorite list. If this is OK with you, email me offlist. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. Message: 2 Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 23:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Mr EMan mstrema...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Pallasite vs. Mesosiderite To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 262076.5974...@web55208.mail.re4.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is a lost draft regarding the question about pallesites vs mesosiderites in the for what it is worth category. These two types of meteorites were trasditionally lumped together for a very long long time as stony-irons. We know now they have little in common chemically nor in point of origin. Two examples that can appear similar are Huckitta; a pallasite and Vaca Muerta; a mesosiderite. Given that they were widely available stony irons that happened to superficially resemble each other owing to extensive weathering. This perpetuated the misconception that they were related, IMO. Pallasites contain the mineral assemblage magnesium iron silicate with the formula (Mg,Fe)2SiO4.aka olivine wich is a mixture of the minerals forresterite and fayalite. In fact a pallasite vs mesosiderite distinction is the silicate in pallasites are olivine (Mg,Fe)2SiO4, where the mesosiderite's pyroxene silicates are mostly XY(Si,Al)2O6 I do not know for sure I am fairly certain that notuing more than a trace of olivine--neither massive or pallasite-like olivine crystals have been found in mesosiderites. All mesosiderites have been linked to a single parent body totally disrupted both with extensively intermixed strata. Mesosiderites are an assemblage of iron, eucrite, diogenite, impact melt breccia, howardite soup--you name it. By disrupted I mean really comingled with lots of surface and mantle material shot through the center and into the other side, flash melting, biblical porportions of chaos crumbled up silicates with iron chunks for flavor mixing. Pallasites represent a less mixed, none-the-less disrupted parent body-- specifically, material from the mantle core boundary*. The olivine within the metal portions was emplaced in the iron via a yet to be confirmed process. Possible via a cumulate condensation or a impact imparted sloshing of a magma chamber in contact with the molten core. Because there are Widmanstatten patterns in pallasites we know that whatever the process, it wasn't the one that excavated the meteorites from the core of the parent body because rapid cooling would not allow those patterns to form. Some recent finds show entire sections void of olivine crystals all together ( hence siderite portions). I haven't looked it up recently but unlike a single parent in mesosiderites there are 7-13 separate parent bodies sampled in the worlds sampling of pallasites. AS mentioned before, very weathered pallesites can supreficially resemble mesosiderites such as is the case with Huckitta. Almost everyone owns some Huckitta which dosen't look at all like a typical pallasite. Much of the Huckitta in private collections is not the pristeen olivine metal mix we know so well but oxiadized metal and hydrated silicates. It looks like a meso in many appearance respects. Couple this with the availability of Vaca Muerta and in absence of anything else for comparrison and it is easy to see why anyone would assume they were very related. Elton * there is a theory about iron pools/pockets not at the core of asteroids but those are hard to explain rotationaly etc. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
Hello List Members, My new work doesn't allow me to keep working on the Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website as I would like to. I can't make the updates and make new features available. So I'm selling my domain name encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com and of course the account and the complete website. That's the only way for the website to be continued and updated. What you get ? -- - You get the domain name encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com - You get a website with over 1,100 members - You get a Starter account at uplinkearth.com with 3GB disk space, 2 domains possible, and much more (follow this link for more info : http://uplinkearth.com/hosting_packages.html) - You get a complete DVD with a backup of the website Who can buy it ? -- Anybody of course but I would really like it is an IMCA member or a well-known meteorite collector to keep a high level of quality. Also, you have to have a good programming skill if you wish to maintain the website working or have a friend as programmer (it's programmed with ASP and an MS Access database) ; I won't have time to help the new owner. How to buy it ? -- I'll start a sealed auction. Principle is nobody sees the bid of others and, on January 31st, 2009, midnight (Paris time), I'll stop the bids and warn the winner. Of course, as all bids are hidden, you just make one bid ! The starting price is US$500. I think it's a fair starting price as I worked hundreds of hours on the website and you get a complete website with possibilities of advertising and cross-selling. I'm sure the price gets high so make a good offer to win it. BIDDING TIME STARTS NOW ! I'll help the winner to make the transfers with my provider uplinkearth.com How to pay ? -- Payment will only be done with PAYPAL in US$ just after the end of bidding. I thank you for reading, Pierre-Marie PELE __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - pict of small thin lunar slices added!
Hello All, I just added a pict of a few smaller slices of the stunning LUNAR NWA 4734. The discount price of $ 950.00 per gram is guaranteed until January 5, 2009. After January 5, the price will be $ 1200.00 per gram. Five smaller slices are available: 25 mg, 75 mg, 82 mg, 110 mg, 128 mg http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id44.html Thank you, Peter Peter Marmet Bern, Switzerland IMCA #2747 p.mar...@mysunrise.ch http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Happy New Year
Top all those concerned, If you arent concerned please delete. Iam in no way trying to start any arguments on this list. But these people are way out of line. Phil Whitmer wrote on 12/30/08 : A respected and important member of the meteorite community checked out the provenance of the last offerings on eBay by Bob Evans and they turned out to be shady to say the least. It looks like Bob Evans was selling stones with fake Monnig provenance according to his own source. You people had better get your facts straight. I haven't sold anything that came from Monnig in years. I think some of you people don't even know what my ebay account is. Here is my account : http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZmaccers531 Al Mitterling, Iam seriously considering a lawsuit against you for slander. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Freebie Taken!
Hi folks! Both freebies are now taken - in a record time of about 2 minutes! Best regards to everyone and Happy New Year! MikeG - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 9:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Year Freebie - Move Quick! Hi Listees! To celebrate the coming of 2009, I am offering a mystery freebie meteorite to the first two CONUS residents to who respond to this post. I am giving away a free stony meteorite and a free iron meteorite. Both are small, but are quite nice for their small size. The first responder will get their choice of stone or iron. The second responder will get the other specimen not taken by responder #1. This offer is open to CONUS residents only. If I get a flood of responses, I will reply to the winners of the freebies, and will post a stop notice to the list to let everyone else know that the freebies are taken. Happy New Year and clear skies! :) MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. --- On Thu, 1/1/09, meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com wrote: From: meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 64, Issue 1 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2009, 11:00 AM Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com You can reach the person managing the list at meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: Fun questions, or public FAQs (al mitterling) 2. Re: Fun questions, or public FAQs (al mitterling) 3. Fun questions, or public FAQs (JoshuaTreeMuseum) 4. Re: Fun questions, or public FAQs (Don Merchant) 5. Dawn Journal - December 30, 2008 (Ron Baalke) 6. Astronomy Picture of the Day 2008 December 31 (Roman) 7. Re: Update on New England Fireball of 12-29-08 (Jerry Flaherty) 8. Re: Astronomy Picture of the Day 2008 December 31 (Jerry Flaherty) 9. Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 1,2009 (Michael Johnson) 10. Re: Tucson Show Auction now up (Michael L Blood) 11. AD - ebay auctions ending soon (Meteoriteshow) 12. Re: Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - January 1, 2009 (Jerry Flaherty) 13. happy new everyone (steve arnold) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 12:25:46 -0500 From: al mitterling alm...@kconline.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fun questions, or public FAQs To: Mark Crawford m...@meteorites.cc, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 8c7c4ae6b10f49ee8debce1312cdf...@starmanpc Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Hi Mark and all, One thing I didn't realize for a long time was peoples preception of part slices and small fragments that many of us dealers sort of take for granted. One lady commented to me one time that she was amazed that they could find such a small crumb of Mars I had in my micro mounts (it was Zagami). It then dawned on me that some people see these small micros and think that was the whole piece found. I explained that it was from a much larger specimen that was cut and broke down to sell to micro collectors and that it would be really tough to test such a small piece as it would be mostly consumed and nothing left for sale. I have had other people comment on slices saying they sure are flat looking, not knowing they are looking at a slice being sold from a whole stone. Sure there are other misconceptions when they are looking but now know to let them know the small pieces and slices are cut from much larger specimens. Best!!
Re: [meteorite-list] meteor shower
Larry, Thanks for the extra info on the Quadrantids. It's good hearing from the asteroid expert. - John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:45 AM To: Larry Twink Monrad Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteor shower Hi Twink: Yes, got beat out on the response that it was the Quadrantids (radiates out from a now-defunct constellation, Quadrans Muralis; mural or wall quandrant). It also appears to be related to a 2-km asteroid, 2003 EH1. However, going back even further, there is a lost comet, C/1490 Y1 (seen in 1490) that may now look less comet-like and more asteroid-like, i.e. EH1 is really a defunct comet. Larry On Sat, January 3, 2009 7:56 am, Larry Twink Monrad wrote: I was asked to post this to the list since the Bakers were unable to do so. Twink Monrad 1/3/2009 Does anyone on the list know if there is a current meteor shower? Jake and I were out walking the dogs at 5:45 this morning and saw 7 or 8 meteors. There has been some activity every morning or evening for the last week or more. Our location is Show Low, Arizona, USA. Lat/Lon at our airport is 34-15-55N / 110-00-20W The sightings have been almost over head, out of the NNE to NNW. The display is less than a second with a very flat arc. 2009 is going to be a great year having seen so many meteors in the first three days. See you at Tucson. Thanks. Barb Jake __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
This is sad news, Pierre has done an amazing job with the encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com site. I consider it the single most useful meteorite site on the net (just my personal opinion, no offense to others. David Weir's site is certainly up there too). It seemed a labour of love for Pierre, and although he sold advertising this was always restrained and never excessive. He clearly has the right to sell the site, and I hope he gets a fair price for the considerable (and most likely thankless) efforts he has made. That said, I'm concerned that the auction may only interest people with commercial motives. The more they spend, the more they may feel the need to recoup, which could be highly detrimental to the site in general. A second concern would be the purchaser getting access to a great deal of information regarding other peoples collections and the email addresses of 1100 collectors. I wonder how many people have listed a lot of their collection on the site? Although they may have pieces set to invisible to the public, the site owner (and anybody else with database access) can see them. I recall spaces for the dealer that a stone was purchased from, dates and prices. I always limited the info I placed on the site regarding my own collection anyway, but I'll be removing what I have entered in the database before it's sold. I can think of several ways access to this information may be abused, I trusted Pierre, I wouldn't necessarily be as trusting of the new owner (again, I'm not suggesting anybody in our community would abuse this position, just that the possibility exists). Hopefully the site will be bought by somebody with exactly the same philanthropic approach as Pierre demonstrated during his years of hard work on the site. A HUGE thank-you to Pierre for his work to date, and I'll be keeping my fingers crossed for the site's future... Matt. Pelé Pierre-Marie wrote: Hello List Members, My new work doesn't allow me to keep working on the Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website as I would like to. I can't make the updates and make new features available. So I'm selling my domain name encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com and of course the account and the complete website. That's the only way for the website to be continued and updated. What you get ? -- - You get the domain name encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com - You get a website with over 1,100 members - You get a Starter account at uplinkearth.com with 3GB disk space, 2 domains possible, and much more (follow this link for more info : http://uplinkearth.com/hosting_packages.html) - You get a complete DVD with a backup of the website Who can buy it ? -- Anybody of course but I would really like it is an IMCA member or a well-known meteorite collector to keep a high level of quality. Also, you have to have a good programming skill if you wish to maintain the website working or have a friend as programmer (it's programmed with ASP and an MS Access database) ; I won't have time to help the new owner. How to buy it ? -- I'll start a sealed auction. Principle is nobody sees the bid of others and, on January 31st, 2009, midnight (Paris time), I'll stop the bids and warn the winner. Of course, as all bids are hidden, you just make one bid ! The starting price is US$500. I think it's a fair starting price as I worked hundreds of hours on the website and you get a complete website with possibilities of advertising and cross-selling. I'm sure the price gets high so make a good offer to win it. BIDDING TIME STARTS NOW ! I'll help the winner to make the transfers with my provider uplinkearth.com How to pay ? -- Payment will only be done with PAYPAL in US$ just after the end of bidding. I thank you for reading, Pierre-Marie PELE __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website forsale
Hello Pierre-Marie, I am sorry to hear that you won't have the time to maintain the Encyclopedia of Meteorites. I understand it is a tremendous task keeping it all up to date and appreciate the hundreds of hours of personal time you have put in to it. I certainly could not do it! I have always preferred the EOM over the MetBull Database and hope that, for the most part, the new owner of the EOM keeps things the same and take great care in the transfer of information. In my opinion, there's really nothing to fix. Thanks again for this most valuable and free resource. I really appreciate it! Best regards, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Pelé Pierre-Marie Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:38 AM To: MeteoriteList Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website forsale Hello List Members, My new work doesn't allow me to keep working on the Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website as I would like to. I can't make the updates and make new features available. So I'm selling my domain name encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com and of course the account and the complete website. That's the only way for the website to be continued and updated. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Quadrantids 2009
Barb and Jake wrote: Jake and I were out walking the dogs at 5:45 this morning and saw 7 or 8 meteors George responded: It was the Quadrantid shower which peaked in the early morning today (5 am PST) Phil added: I was out at 6:00 a.m. ... During the 5 minute walk, I saw 7 meteors Hello All, See also S T, Jan 2009, pp. 71-72 (excerpt): The Peekaboo Quadrantids The Quad shower is elusive because it's brief. At its peak it can produce 120 or more meteors visible per hour ..., but the peak lasts just a few hours at most. This year the peak is ... ideal for western North America, where the time is 5 a.m. PST before the first light of dawn. Best wishes, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Catalogue of Meteorites by Grady
Hi friends and listees! I am looking for a copy of Monica Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites. The reason I am posting here, and not buying it directly from an online book vendor, is because I am looking for a *bargain* copy. Ideally, I'd like to find a copy with some cosmetic issues that would lower the price a bit. It can be any edition - even an older one with the cover torn off and big coffee stain on page 263. If you have a copy that fits this description, then contact me offlist. I also do trades and have a collection with over 50 localities and oodles of UNWA - so I can do a partial trade with cash for the book if this sounds interesting. email - m...@galactic-stone.com Thanks for looking and clear skies! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
Hello Matt and other List Members, you're right about your interrogations for privacy of the information included in the Encyclopedia of Meteorites. I won't be able to keep an eye on the new owner but I wish he's a smart and respectful person who won't use these information for his business. When the bids are over on january 31st, I'll speak to the new owner and explain what the users are waiting from him. But that's all I can do. If we want the EOM website to live, I've to sell it because I really can't update it anymore (it takes several hours a month). The EOM is useful if it's updated... Pierre __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
Greetings Pierre and all, Pierre, I was concerned about your comment of hoping The new owner is not a meteorite dealer who would benefit From the web site personally in any way. Being a dealer puts one in a position to contribute to the meteoritic community and not just be some kind of blood sucking leach! In fact, most of the dealers I know are major contributors to the community some are truly outstanding in giving of their time energy, Such as Anne Black, Adam Hupe - all the dealers who have served On the IMCA board (that is a LOT of work, folks), Paul Harris Jim Tobin (Meteorite Times, Most of their Meteorite Exchange web Site), etc, etc. Of course there are many pure collectors who have also contributed plenty. The point is, any conscientious individual would be fine (I have No personal interest, myself). Just because someone makes money dealing meteorites does not mean they can't serve the meteoritic community as well. Most dealers do - some more than others. ALL of them have to make Money, as well, but these two things are in no way in conflict, even Though a few dealers have made their own beds that way. Best wishes to all, Michael on 1/3/09 1:50 PM, Pelé Pierre-Marie at pierremariep...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hello Matt and other List Members, you're right about your interrogations for privacy of the information included in the Encyclopedia of Meteorites. I won't be able to keep an eye on the new owner but I wish he's a smart and respectful person who won't use these information for his business. When the bids are over on january 31st, I'll speak to the new owner and explain what the users are waiting from him. But that's all I can do. If we want the EOM website to live, I've to sell it because I really can't update it anymore (it takes several hours a month). The EOM is useful if it's updated... Pierre __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re : the new fall contunue// tichka mountains
hello all; some news from this mountain tichka fall, most of the stone found are broken they smash the mountain and the meteorite hit rocks of the mountain , and the result meteorite have not the time to refresh and it become cold fastly so it gives weathered and no crusts meteorite many broken stone and many uncrusted meteorite so for the oriented or the complete it will be rare, thanks aziz habibi --- On Fri, 1/2/09, habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: From: habibi abdelaziz azizhab...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] the new fall contunue// tichka mountains To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, January 2, 2009, 4:31 PM hi again just a short note to say, that there is may be many kilos found and there is a fight for it,split on 3 places,an area of more than 4000 km square. taddart tahanout and tichka , could be more places as far as things goes we will hear defenitly tomorow of the aproximate amount of kilo's, the center of the fall is may be tichka mountain full of snow now, according to the fireball and the sonic boum its big. it become from houre to houre sur that its sur that the sample i get is from the new fall; my best aziz habibi font style=BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40; face=comic sans mshabibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
Whoa, Michael :) Pierre said he hoped it wouldn't be purchased by someone who would use the information for his business - which isn't the same as saying not to a dealer. In fact, in the original posting, he explicitly said he'd prefer to sell to an IMCA member or a well-known meteorite dealer. So I don't think it's fair to characterise his post as you did. A bigger question is data protection and copyright. There's no question Pierre can sell the domain and his web code, but the info in the database belongs to those who have submitted it. Same applies to the extensive images stored there. I think it's reasonable to insist that the new owner (curator?) respects our copyright and doesn't use the images/data for commercial ends without prior permission. Mark Michael L Blood wrote: Greetings Pierre and all, Pierre, I was concerned about your comment of hoping The new owner is not a meteorite dealer who would benefit From the web site personally in any way. Being a dealer puts one in a position to contribute to the meteoritic community and not just be some kind of blood sucking leach! -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on the Younger Dryas 'impact event'
Hi - Dr. Morrison is being disingenious. If you have a fragmented comet, and we've all seen them, then you end up with multiple comet fragments hitting - and we've all seen that as well. I wonder what year the impactite layer from Sandusky with the blast killed mega-fauna will actually get reported E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Well balanced with an edge to the sympathetic. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7808171.stm __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] More on the Younger Dryas 'impact event'
We have an accepted cosmic airburst event in recent history -- has anyone found substantial numbers of nanodiamonds as a result of Tunguska? If (compared to 'normal' background quantities) more were found in that area and could be linked to the airburst/impact, that would help substantiate nanodiamond deposits as an indicator. For that matter, what about comparing it to other confirmed mega-impact areas? Do the impactite layers also contain elevated levels of iridium? There are other markers that could bolster this theory. Tracy Latimer Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2009 15:27:52 -0800 From: epgrond...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] More on the Younger Dryas 'impact event' Hi - Dr. Morrison is being disingenious. If you have a fragmented comet, and we've all seen them, then you end up with multiple comet fragments hitting - and we've all seen that as well. I wonder what year the impactite layer from Sandusky with the blast killed mega-fauna will actually get reported E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Well balanced with an edge to the sympathetic. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7808171.stm __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ It’s the same Hotmail®. If by “same” you mean up to 70% faster. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: Dec 29, 2008 - Jan 2, 2009
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES December 29, 2008 - January 2, 2009 o Channel (Released 29 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081229a o Volcanic Vent (Released 30 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081230a o Volcanic Vent (Released 31 December 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20081231a o Volcanic Vent (Released 01 January 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090101a o Polar Textures (Released 02 January 2009) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090102a k All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Hi Listees, I have a quick question for the group - why are some falls not referred to as hammers ? For example, Allende and Holbrook are rarely referred to as hammers, but there are reports that both hit rooftops and other manmade structures. Both falls are generally referred to as historical but rarely as hammers. Is there a reason? Is it because the historical element outweighs the hammer element in these cases? Claxton is well known as a hammer, but historically-speaking it's otherwise unremarkable. Is this simply semantics at play, or is there some kind of formula at work? Regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - Michael Blood, please email me offlist. . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:32:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Is this simply semantics at play Yes. The concern with hammers is a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. The only true measure of wherther something is a hammer is the level of legitness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdk1gwWH-Cg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Darren, Michael All, Semantics are absolutely at play -- and this is a roughly defined element of meteorite collecting at best -- but I'd beg to differ with them being of concern to a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. Hammers (I think Blood may have introduced this term to the meteorite world, though Johnny Carson ficticiously used it well prior to that in Niven and Pournelle's Lucifer's Hammer to describe a forthcoming comet strike upon the Earth...p. 78, paperback) are a huge element of the international collector base, and one need only take a casual glance at market prices to see this is true. I'm not a hammer collector by any means, but I've seen repeatedly in educational outreach work that there is a broader based appeal for such stories. They connect with virtually everyone, though amino acids in Murchison, while much more interesting to most of us here, do not. Further, our brains can't easily comprehend an entry velocity of 20 mps, but a car struck by a rock from space that was still travelling 200 - 300 mph -- well, everyone gets that. The term hammer has been overused virtually to the point of ridiculous (what makes them truly interesting -- the main mass hitting the only mailbox ever, or a small individual striking a piece of railing on a mile-long fence?). For the term to survive, my sense is that there should be some dilineation between a Hammer Stone and a Hammer Fall. Sylacauga is a wonderful story, but the material available to collectors didn't hit Mrs. Hodges on the hip. Associating all fallen individuals as hammers in conjunction with a single or few individuals out of 150 kg worth that actually hit something is also a bit of a stretch. Lastly, to my earlier point re: market pricing, the argument that not all of them are priced similarly is for the most part (though certainly not entirely) washed away by a look at respective TKWs. Two cents worth... All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:40 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 16:32:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: Is this simply semantics at play Yes. The concern with hammers is a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. The only true measure of wherther something is a hammer is the level of legitness. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdk1gwWH-Cg __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Hi Michael, There's another way to look at it too. The two falls you mentioned were massive and there were thousands of individual stones. In my opinion it's only a hammer if the individual stone actually hit something. For example you can't really say that the whole Allende fall was a hammer if only a couple of stones hit things. I guess it comes down to provenance too. Many of the good dealer/hunters these days get proof of where particular stones hit when chasing a fresh fall. In my opinion Thuathe was one of the best cataloged falls with MANY individual stones precisely recorded by both researchers and hunters alike. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer michael_w_gil...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 11:32 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? Hi Listees, I have a quick question for the group - why are some falls not referred to as hammers ? For example, Allende and Holbrook are rarely referred to as hammers, but there are reports that both hit rooftops and other manmade structures. Both falls are generally referred to as historical but rarely as hammers. Is there a reason? Is it because the historical element outweighs the hammer element in these cases? Claxton is well known as a hammer, but historically-speaking it's otherwise unremarkable. Is this simply semantics at play, or is there some kind of formula at work? Regards and clear skies, MikeG PS - Michael Blood, please email me offlist. . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:56:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, d...@fallingrocks.com writes: Sylacauga is a wonderful story, but the material available to collectors didn't hit Mrs. Hodges on the hip. Dave, In 1999 I brokered a couple of pieces of Sylacaga from the King Collection that did indeed come from the stone that hit Mrs. Hodges. It came from a core sample taken from that very stone. Somehow Dr. King talked them (the local library or museum) into taking a small core sample from it, maybe he traded them some Allende for it. I think most of what is on the market of Sylacaga came from the King piece, but check the provenance. If the slices are round, or partially round on one edge, it is probably from that core piece. Steve Arnold #1 **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:53:24 -0500, you wrote: but I'd beg to differ with them being of concern to a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. With no solid numbers whatsoever to back me up, I'd bet that there were far more people actively collecting and concerned about tag variants on Beeny Babies at their height than have ever even HEARD of a hammer meteorite. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
12 inches of hickory, 5 ounces of steel. Sorry, couldn't resist. ;-) John - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:53:24 -0500, you wrote: but I'd beg to differ with them being of concern to a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. With no solid numbers whatsoever to back me up, I'd bet that there were far more people actively collecting and concerned about tag variants on Beeny Babies at their height than have ever even HEARD of a hammer meteorite. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Hi, Steve, Well, pardon my ignorance, and I stand corrected. Apparently quickly picked a bad example, as I'm familiar with slices in private circulation that aren't as you described. That said, I am familiar with some material which is exactly as you've described it, so that makes sense. Anyway, hopefully the concept came through even though the example was a poor choice. How about Mbale? All best, and Happy New Year, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorh...@aol.com [mailto:meteorh...@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:04 PM To: d...@fallingrocks.com; cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:56:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, d...@fallingrocks.com writes: Sylacauga is a wonderful story, but the material available to collectors didn't hit Mrs. Hodges on the hip. Dave, In 1999 I brokered a couple of pieces of Sylacaga from the King Collection that did indeed come from the stone that hit Mrs. Hodges. It came from a core sample taken from that very stone. Somehow Dr. King talked them (the local library or museum) into taking a small core sample from it, maybe he traded them some Allende for it. I think most of what is on the market of Sylacaga came from the King piece, but check the provenance. If the slices are round, or partially round on one edge, it is probably from that core piece. Steve Arnold #1 **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Darren, I thought you meant to say the community of hammer collectors within the meteorite collecting community was small -- relative to the international meteorite collecting community itself. Apologies for missing that...my bad. Many serious meteorite collectors look down their noses at hammer collectors, and that's where I thought you were going. Either way, an interesting thread on a seriously vaguely defined aspect of meteorite collecting... All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:10 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:53:24 -0500, you wrote: but I'd beg to differ with them being of concern to a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. With no solid numbers whatsoever to back me up, I'd bet that there were far more people actively collecting and concerned about tag variants on Beeny Babies at their height than have ever even HEARD of a hammer meteorite. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
PS - Sad, but true...no such solid numbers are needed to call the below a fact. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:10 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 20:53:24 -0500, you wrote: but I'd beg to differ with them being of concern to a small subset of what is already a small community of collectors. With no solid numbers whatsoever to back me up, I'd bet that there were far more people actively collecting and concerned about tag variants on Beeny Babies at their height than have ever even HEARD of a hammer meteorite. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 4901 write up request
Hi list, I was planning on using some killer micrographs of NWA 4901, the ungrouped achondrite paired with NWA 011, in the article I do for Meteorite Times. I have found some interesting write ups on the material but I don't want to just copy-paste any thing that sounds interesting. I was thinking that some of you may already have something written on NWA 4901 and it's pairings. If you are willing to share, I will use it in the article Micro Visions and certainly give you credit. Last month Bernd gave me some beautiful wide field NWA 3151 Brachinite micrographs to use. Check it out on the current Meteorite Times. Tom **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:50:18 -0500, you wrote: I thought you meant to say the community of hammer collectors within the meteorite collecting community was small -- relative to the international meteorite collecting community itself. I would say that it probably is, when defined as a main concern for the collectors-- you have people who collect by type, people who collect by location, people who collect only witnessed falls, and people who collect based on wherther or not it hit some human artifact. At most, what percentage of meteorite collectors have hammers being a main collecting criteria? 10%? I'd bet that it doesn't approach 25%. It is, then, a small percentage of what is already a tiny (compaired to world population and compaired to other areas of collecting) group of people. My point being-- a term in use by such a small number of people and known by such a small number of people woukd, I think, be more vaguely defined than something-- say-- that would reach The OED or Encyclopedia Britannica (leaving the Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia out of the equation for the moment). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Good evening Folks, It's been a long time, but I'd like to add something: To me--as I have understood it for many years--a Hammer is nothing more than a meteorite that impacts a man-made objectand/or perhaps the occasional critter.Nothing more--Nothing less. Best regards to ya'll, Paul, Savannah GA PS Happy New Year to all of you! In a message dated 1/3/2009 10:17:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cyna...@charter.net writes: On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:50:18 -0500, you wrote: I thought you meant to say the community of hammer collectors within the meteorite collecting community was small -- relative to the international meteorite collecting community itself. **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Good points, Darren...and the list of collecting criteria could go on and on ad infinitum. Yet it would also be interesting to measure this hammer issue not in units but in dollars (or Euros or whatever currency). Like you, I have no solid statistics here (this arena really needs them badly, by the way), but, when looking at market price and/or relative price/gram (i.e. value), the representative percentage of both collectors in the community and specimens in collections would obviously be substantially higher than on a units basis. Whatever the statistics, it is true that a significant premium is paid by collectors for hammers, and we could probably all (at least most) agree it would be a good thing to have a better definition of that term...at least a consistent one. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:18 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:50:18 -0500, you wrote: I thought you meant to say the community of hammer collectors within the meteorite collecting community was small -- relative to the international meteorite collecting community itself. I would say that it probably is, when defined as a main concern for the collectors-- you have people who collect by type, people who collect by location, people who collect only witnessed falls, and people who collect based on wherther or not it hit some human artifact. At most, what percentage of meteorite collectors have hammers being a main collecting criteria? 10%? I'd bet that it doesn't approach 25%. It is, then, a small percentage of what is already a tiny (compaired to world population and compaired to other areas of collecting) group of people. My point being-- a term in use by such a small number of people and known by such a small number of people woukd, I think, be more vaguely defined than something-- say-- that would reach The OED or Encyclopedia Britannica (leaving the Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia out of the equation for the moment). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another teaching question
After many posts, I think that I now have a tenuous handle on the differences between Pallasites and Mesosideroites. Now the question is--- When looking at the irons, the Wittmenstraden pattern and the thickness tell whether it is a Coursest Octahedrite or just an Octahedrite. And just for giggles which are the iron and which are the nickle bands? Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
G'Day List This thread has been very interesting. Hammers have really not played an important part of my quest to seek knowledge, meteoritically speaking. But the discussions have been an eye opener, especially when it comes to a few mets that I had not considered. Mike, thanks for starting this. Steve, you continue to amaze me. Dave, what can I say? Thanks for all your input. I for one, have definitely benefited from it. As for my little humor on hammers, I sincerely apologize. It was in jest and not to throw anybody off the subject presently being discussed. I'm just a happy person by nature. Cheers John - Original Message - From: Dave Gheesling d...@fallingrocks.com To: cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? Good points, Darren...and the list of collecting criteria could go on and on ad infinitum. Yet it would also be interesting to measure this hammer issue not in units but in dollars (or Euros or whatever currency). Like you, I have no solid statistics here (this arena really needs them badly, by the way), but, when looking at market price and/or relative price/gram (i.e. value), the representative percentage of both collectors in the community and specimens in collections would obviously be substantially higher than on a units basis. Whatever the statistics, it is true that a significant premium is paid by collectors for hammers, and we could probably all (at least most) agree it would be a good thing to have a better definition of that term...at least a consistent one. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:18 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:50:18 -0500, you wrote: I thought you meant to say the community of hammer collectors within the meteorite collecting community was small -- relative to the international meteorite collecting community itself. I would say that it probably is, when defined as a main concern for the collectors-- you have people who collect by type, people who collect by location, people who collect only witnessed falls, and people who collect based on wherther or not it hit some human artifact. At most, what percentage of meteorite collectors have hammers being a main collecting criteria? 10%? I'd bet that it doesn't approach 25%. It is, then, a small percentage of what is already a tiny (compaired to world population and compaired to other areas of collecting) group of people. My point being-- a term in use by such a small number of people and known by such a small number of people woukd, I think, be more vaguely defined than something-- say-- that would reach The OED or Encyclopedia Britannica (leaving the Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia out of the equation for the moment). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Now that's a hammer. Nice work Steve. Super piece - Original Message - From: meteorh...@aol.com To: d...@fallingrocks.com; cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 9:03 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:56:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, d...@fallingrocks.com writes: Sylacauga is a wonderful story, but the material available to collectors didn't hit Mrs. Hodges on the hip. Dave, In 1999 I brokered a couple of pieces of Sylacaga from the King Collection that did indeed come from the stone that hit Mrs. Hodges. It came from a core sample taken from that very stone. Somehow Dr. King talked them (the local library or museum) into taking a small core sample from it, maybe he traded them some Allende for it. I think most of what is on the market of Sylacaga came from the King piece, but check the provenance. If the slices are round, or partially round on one edge, it is probably from that core piece. Steve Arnold #1 **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Steve and List, Steve, are you absolutely sure the core came from THE Hodges's stone( the one that struck her) and NOT the McKinney stone??? I have not actually seen the Hodge's stone in person, and maybe you have, so you MAY be right. But ... if I may quote a few words from one of our illustrious members' ( who I hope doesn't mind me using them, and that he will join in the discussion, too ) website that state: There were two stones - the one that hit the human and one other. The one that hit the human is the centerpiece in a local museum. No one has ever had access to it. However,the second stone is in the Smithsonion and though the remainder has never been available to the public, it did have one core drilled in it. This core ended up in the collection of Dr. King. After his death his widow allowed it to be cut into about 10 whafer slices all of which all ended up as primary specimens in private collections. So have you seen THE Hodges' stone in person and saw that there actually IS a hole drilled into THAT very one Thanks, Robert Woolard --- On Sat, 1/3/09, meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com wrote: From: meteorh...@aol.com meteorh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? To: d...@fallingrocks.com, cyna...@charter.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, January 3, 2009, 8:03 PM In a message dated 1/3/2009 7:56:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, d...@fallingrocks.com writes: Sylacauga is a wonderful story, but the material available to collectors didn't hit Mrs. Hodges on the hip. Dave, In 1999 I brokered a couple of pieces of Sylacaga from the King Collection that did indeed come from the stone that hit Mrs. Hodges. It came from a core sample taken from that very stone. Somehow Dr. King talked them (the local library or museum) into taking a small core sample from it, maybe he traded them some Allende for it. I think most of what is on the market of Sylacaga came from the King piece, but check the provenance. If the slices are round, or partially round on one edge, it is probably from that core piece. Steve Arnold #1 **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
The problem with the 'hammers' is that some are not. For example: Pultusk, which is broadly referred to as a 'hammer,' when, without conclusive evidence, it is unknown what actual/individual stones or 'peas' struck artifacts. The same can be said about Murchison, Allende, and many others. I believe a true 'hammer' can only be a piece of the actual meteorite that struck the human/artifact and not the fall itself. The lure of hammers (to me) has been the material with irrefutable evidence and/or photographic documentation. To name a few: Strathmore, Claxton, Peekskill, and recently, 'Zunhua.' But then consider Ausson, which lacks any photos and or clear documentation - still a hammer? I think that the hammer category is great, but, like Dave said, there needs to be some clarity and consistency to what a hammer really is! Bonk! Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dave Gheesling Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:25 PM To: cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? Good points, Darren...and the list of collecting criteria could go on and on ad infinitum. Yet it would also be interesting to measure this hammer issue not in units but in dollars (or Euros or whatever currency). Like you, I have no solid statistics here (this arena really needs them badly, by the way), but, when looking at market price and/or relative price/gram (i.e. value), the representative percentage of both collectors in the community and specimens in collections would obviously be substantially higher than on a units basis. Whatever the statistics, it is true that a significant premium is paid by collectors for hammers, and we could probably all (at least most) agree it would be a good thing to have a better definition of that term...at least a consistent one. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Darren Garrison Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 10:18 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer? On Sat, 3 Jan 2009 21:50:18 -0500, you wrote: I thought you meant to say the community of hammer collectors within the meteorite collecting community was small -- relative to the international meteorite collecting community itself. I would say that it probably is, when defined as a main concern for the collectors-- you have people who collect by type, people who collect by location, people who collect only witnessed falls, and people who collect based on wherther or not it hit some human artifact. At most, what percentage of meteorite collectors have hammers being a main collecting criteria? 10%? I'd bet that it doesn't approach 25%. It is, then, a small percentage of what is already a tiny (compaired to world population and compaired to other areas of collecting) group of people. My point being-- a term in use by such a small number of people and known by such a small number of people woukd, I think, be more vaguely defined than something-- say-- that would reach The OED or Encyclopedia Britannica (leaving the Urban Dictionary and Wikipedia out of the equation for the moment). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Your Specialized Categories?
The 'hammer' category talk makes me wonder what other specialized categories people collect. The following specialized categories hold a special place in my heart and collection: 1. Orbitally Tracked meteorites 2. Filmed meteorites If owning a meteorite wasn't good enough, how about being able to watch the birth of your meteorite or know its orbit. While the list could go on forever, it might be interesting to see what other specialized categories others collect. (Aside from the obvious ones: types, historical, localities, witnessed falls, etc.) Cheers, Mike Bandli __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE : Re: AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
Hello Michael, As I'm not very fluent in english, I think my words were misunderstood. Everybody can bid to buy my website and domain. I just said that it may be a meteorite collector or a dealer. But a dealer has to separate his own business and the datas included in the Encyclopedia, especially the information added by the members. But I think most of the dealers of the Meteorite List are fair and respectful of that. Happy new year, Pierre --- Michael L Blood mlbl...@cox.net a écrit : Greetings Pierre and all, Pierre, I was concerned about your comment of hoping The new owner is not a meteorite dealer who would benefit From the web site personally in any way. Being a dealer puts one in a position to contribute to the meteoritic community and not just be some kind of blood sucking leach! In fact, most of the dealers I know are major contributors to the community some are truly outstanding in giving of their time energy, Such as Anne Black, Adam Hupe - all the dealers who have served On the IMCA board (that is a LOT of work, folks), Paul Harris Jim Tobin (Meteorite Times, Most of their Meteorite Exchange web Site), etc, etc. Of course there are many pure collectors who have also contributed plenty. The point is, any conscientious individual would be fine (I have No personal interest, myself). Just because someone makes money dealing meteorites does not mean they can't serve the meteoritic community as well. Most dealers do - some more than others. ALL of them have to make Money, as well, but these two things are in no way in conflict, even Though a few dealers have made their own beds that way. Best wishes to all, Michael on 1/3/09 1:50 PM, Pelé Pierre-Marie at pierremariep...@yahoo.fr wrote: Hello Matt and other List Members, you're right about your interrogations for privacy of the information included in the Encyclopedia of Meteorites. I won't be able to keep an eye on the new owner but I wish he's a smart and respectful person who won't use these information for his business. When the bids are over on january 31st, I'll speak to the new owner and explain what the users are waiting from him. But that's all I can do. If we want the EOM website to live, I've to sell it because I really can't update it anymore (it takes several hours a month). The EOM is useful if it's updated... Pierre __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Get 30% to 50% more gas mileage immediately (I did!): http://go4best.water4gas.hop.clickbank.net/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What makes a hammer a hammer?
Hello Robert, To answer your direct question, no I have not seen the Hodges's stone. However, in Dr. King's Meteorite Collection Catalog he listed the source of his Sylacaga specimen as, and I quote: Source: Alabama Mus. Nat. Hist., Douglas Jones Now, if anyone on the list has access to the Hodges's stone to examine, my hunch is that the core would have been removed from the bottom portion, as it is displayed, and the hole was probably plugged with something and colored so as to hide the fact that a core was removed. My memory is a bit fuzzy, but as I recall there were some correspondence letters between Dr. King and the Alabama Museum of Natural History at the time leading up to the acquisition. And there was a concern that any examination would not hurt the aesthetic appearance of the stone. However, it might be easier to ask the Smithsonian if their records indicate that any of their Sylacaga was traded to Dr. King.But with the conflict NASA (including Dr. King) had with the Smithsonian in the 1960's I seriously doubt any trades were done with the Smithsonian. As many of you know, we auctioned off the King Collection, and it would make some of you sick if you knew how cheaply that specimen sold for. I was surprised at the time, but then again, there were many great specimens in the collection being sold, and most people had to budget where they spent their money, so some things went a little lower than expected at that time. Since then, the value has appreciated to more reasonable levels. I hope this answers your question Robert? Steve Arnold #1 In a message dated 1/3/2009 10:11:11 P.M. Central Standard Time, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com writes: Steve and List, Steve, are you absolutely sure the core came from THE Hodges's stone( the one that struck her) and NOT the McKinney stone??? I have not actually seen the Hodge's stone in person, and maybe you have, so you MAY be right. But ... if I may quote a few words from one of our illustrious members' ( who I hope doesn't mind me using them, and that he will join in the discussion, too ) website that state: There were two stones - the one that hit the human and one other. The one that hit the human is the centerpiece in a local museum. No one has ever had access to it. However,the second stone is in the Smithsonion and though the remainder has never been available to the public, it did have one core drilled in it. This core ended up in the collection of Dr. King. After his death his widow allowed it to be cut into about 10 whafer slices all of which all ended up as primary specimens in private collections. So have you seen THE Hodges' stone in person and saw that there actually IS a hole drilled into THAT very one Thanks, Robert Woolard **New year...new news. Be the first to know what is making headlines. (http://www.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntaolcom0026) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
