[meteorite-list] Re. Meteorite Auction in Tucson

[Larry & Twink Monrad]

Will the family who attended the M. Blood auction from Socorro Texas with 
the nine year old son please e mail me off list?


Thank you,
Twink Monrad


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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.

[Jan bartels]

Simon,

Don't get intimated by high educated ones!!
When a meteorite falls on your land it will be the same educated ones beg 
you to hunt.on your property..

And.. man will they be kind to you !!

Cheers from Holland,
Jan Bartels
www.heavenlybodies.nl



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Dear List :

 I am  56 , married 33 years  6 grown children ( 2 sets of twins)also 2
grandchildren (1 set of twins) organic farmer with 300 acres ; an open
invitation for a meteorite fall .
 I enjoy collecting  the many and varied aspects of meteorites, 
impactites,

and early terrestrial rock formations.  Thank you to all on the list who
have a wealth of information and have made  every  aspect of collecting an
ever expanding  adventure .
 I feel somewhat  intimidated  to be in the company of so many  engineers 
,

physicists and highly educated professionals but when I  plow fields  or
plant garlic I feel  I am exactly where I wish to be : fresh air , glacial
till from Sudbury , and an endless universe overhead .


From snowy Ontario Canada

Simon de Boer



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[meteorite-list] Today's West, TX meteorite hunt.

[Michael Farmer]

Well, after another grueling day in the wind, heat, and relentless sun, we all 
left the field for a large Mexican-food dinner. 
All of us in my group had stones we found today except one who I will not 
name:(  

I saw many hunters out today, mostly list members, and some locals who were 
trying their hands at treasure hunting. It seems most people hunting have 
already found stones, I have four myself, a total of only 100 grams for all 
four. Robert Woolard's son Rob found two stones today, only ~100 feet apart, 48 
grams and 133 grams! They now have 5 stones weighing ~275 grams+! The larger 
stone was broken in half but the rest was nowhere to be found. This meteorite 
is an L6, that is for sure, with that stone, we finally saw the interior, very 
light white/cream color, large chondrules but not many, and while plenty of 
metal, all very tiny flakes. Identical to La Criolla or Holbrook to me. 
The crust on these stones is flawless. Glossy black, with the rare rainbow 
irrandecense seen only on stones that have seen no weathering. They are 
gorgeous. I actually think that not that much of this fall will be found, many 
stones, but all very small. I already saw farmers plowing fields today! Every 
plowed field means 100% loss of any stones there, unlike Puerto Lapice, Spain, 
where the strewnfield was kept absolutely secret and subsequently plowed under 
will only a tiny fraction of stones left to find, with so many hunters here, I 
think at least we can save as much as possible. 

Everyone emailing me, I dont have any stones to sell, I have only found four, 
and will not sell any of them. I am sure some will come up but again, much of 
this place is not huntable because either off-limits due to crazy landowners, 
or in deep pasture with weeds up to your knees. 

Anyway lots of mapping to do tonight planning for tomorrow's hunt. 
We hope to see everyone in the field. 

Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to West area

[Michael Farmer]

All of this land is private, and let me tell you, you had better get permission 
first, then hunt. Just today we asked permission to hunt one property and were 
flat out denied, the old woman said that not one person had better set foot on 
her land. apparently someone had and had been seen by the landowners. We were 
hunting the property next door and watching those people patrol on 
four-wheelers, glaring at us. 
Strange people out here, but some really nice ones. We contracted several 
hundred acres today, free to search, we must pay a set gramprice to the owners 
for anything we find. 
We have already made payments to landowners. That is not public need to know, 
just between the hunters and the landowners. 
There will not be any free ride out here, that is for sure. 
Some pieces have been found in the roads though, that is finder-keeper.
Michael Farmer


--- On Fri, 2/20/09, David Pensenstadler  wrote:

> From: David Pensenstadler 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to West area
> To: "Meteorite Central" , 
> meteorh...@aol.com
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 3:13 PM
> Mike, Moritz, Robert, Shauna, and others:
> 
> Great work.
> 
> I was wondering whether this fall is on private, city, or
> government property, and who actually owns the finds.  Since
> Mike posted that this is all farm country I inferred that it
> is all private property.  If so, do you guys always get
> permission to hunt the property?  Do the property owners get
> anything in return for their permission to hunt?
> 
> With so many people arriving to hunt, it seems that this
> could be a concern by some hunters if not all people know
> the proper procedures for hunting on various types of
> property.
> 
> Just wondering.
> 
> Dave
> --- On Fri, 2/20/09, Jim Strope 
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Jim Strope 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to
> West area
> > To: "Meteorite Central"
> 
> > Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 8:25 AM
> > Interesting Article on Texas Fall:
> > 
> > http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1214950.html
> > 
> > Jim Strope
> > 421 Fourth Street
> > Glen Dale, WV  26038
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.

[Simon]

Dear List : 

  I am  56 , married 33 years  6 grown children ( 2 sets of twins)also 2
grandchildren (1 set of twins) organic farmer with 300 acres ; an open
invitation for a meteorite fall . 
  I enjoy collecting  the many and varied aspects of meteorites, impactites,
and early terrestrial rock formations.  Thank you to all on the list who
have a wealth of information and have made  every  aspect of collecting an
ever expanding  adventure .
  I feel somewhat  intimidated  to be in the company of so many  engineers ,
physicists and highly educated professionals but when I  plow fields  or
plant garlic I feel  I am exactly where I wish to be : fresh air , glacial
till from Sudbury , and an endless universe overhead .
 
>From snowy Ontario Canada
Simon de Boer
   
   

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Re: [meteorite-list] THE STRANGE imb chondrite

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Habibi,

I'm going to guess it's a CB type. :)

Good luck with it and keep us updated on what it turns out to be.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG


.
Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
Member of the Meteoritical Society.
Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..


--

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:03:11 -0800 (PST)
From: habibi abdelaziz 
Subject: [meteorite-list] THE STRANGE imb chondrite
To: meteorite list 
Message-ID: <414162.52362...@web62004.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

hello guys
no sleep i can't , i was watching a movie called?adaptation,? no sleep
i came back to my office and i start to compare a great carbonaceous i have and 
the strange one i showed you , see some new photo of the two.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

and the similarity is evident,
they have the same matrix only one is highly shocked and melted,and the other 
not.
they have the same inclusion , this white thing like calcium/ aluminum shiny 
and also the color of the?matrix?is just the same,?
see photo and tell me,? i can tell you guys this is going to be a great 
carbonaceous.
thanks
aziz
?habibi aziz
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
phone. 21235576145
fax.21235576170



  
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.

[Arlene Schlazer]

Hello Graham & List,
It's nice to see another artist on the list who shares the same passion for 
collecting meterorites and creating art from them.  I too was inspired by 
the "oldest thing ever to be found on earth--the etch pattern on the Gibeon 
meteorite.  I thought it was fascinating that something that formed so long 
ago could be the inspiration for modern abstract art and so began my most 
prized collection and endless hours of creating art from each piece.  I've 
collected over 130 pieces since I started a few years ago.  I keep saying 
I'm done as I have no more room to put them and then another piece beckons! 
If there is an end, I cannot find it!  I only collect etched irons, 
individuals and pallasites.  Oh, and one piece from Mars.  I'm also 
fascinated with astronomy and anything from our solar system I think I can 
be creative with.  I havn't "hunted" in the field yet, but I plan to when I 
retireHopefully this AugustI can only imagine the thrill of actually 
finding a piece.Best regards from Las Vegas.Arlene Schlazer
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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.


I am an Artist who has always been fascinated by Astronomy and meteorites 
since the Barwell meteorite fell just up the road on the day after my 9th 
birthday in 1965. Meteorites are among some of the many things that inspire 
my artwork and designs. I have always exhibited during my 20 years as a 
Lecturer in Art and Design. A head injury put a stop to my teaching career 
nearly ten years ago now and I have over that time had to completely change 
the way I work in order to stay creative...and still have a way to go I 
think!


I only realized I could own meteorites about eight years ago when I bought 
my first 869...and that 'physical' connection with astronomy was a 
revelation to me... just being able to touch and hold material which was 
older than the Earth and told us so much about our origins, not to mention 
seeing some of the earliest patterns and structures to have ever formed 
and that stay locked in time within until we find and study them.


I often travel around the world to hunt, purchase meteorites or visit 
impact sites now and in March I am helping with setting up a small 
meteorite museum, using my collection for science week at the local 
University, with impact experiments for families to take part in and 
related exhibits alongside some original Darwin artefacts.


I found my first meteorite (with which I featured on a BBC Stardate TV 
show) in Ireland in 2003 after the fireball on the west coast there and it 
is still at the OU being classified!!! Wish I was in Texas right now.


Graham Ensor, UK.

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[meteorite-list] THE STRANGE imb chondrite

[habibi abdelaziz]

hello guys 
no sleep i can't , i was watching a movie called adaptation,  no sleep
i came back to my office and i start to compare a great carbonaceous i have and 
the strange one i showed you , see some new photo of the two.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/

and the similarity is evident,
they have the same matrix only one is highly shocked and melted,and the other 
not.
they have the same inclusion , this white thing like calcium/ aluminum shiny 
and also the color of the matrix is just the same, 
see photo and tell me,  i can tell you guys this is going to be a great 
carbonaceous.
thanks
aziz
 habibi aziz 
box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco 
phone. 21235576145 
fax.21235576170 


  
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[meteorite-list] More Evidence for Multiple Meteorite Magmas

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Feb09/asteroidalMagmas.html

More Evidence for Multiple Meteorite Magmas
Planetary Science Research Discoveries
February 19, 2009

--- Cosmochemists show that a pair of meteorites formed in an asteroid
that erupted a newly-recognized type of asteroidal magma.

Written by G. Jeffrey Taylor
Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology

Cosmochemists have identified six main compositional types of magma that
formed inside asteroids during the first 100 million years of Solar
System history. These magmas vary in their chemical and mineralogical
make up, but all have in common low concentrations of sodium and other
volatile elements. Our low-sodium-magma diet has now changed. Two groups
of researchers have identified a new type of asteroidal magma that is
rich in sodium and appears to have formed by partial melting of
previously unmelted, volatile-rich chondritic rock. The teams, one led
by James Day (University of Maryland) and the other by Chip Shearer
(University of New Mexico), studied two meteorites found in Antarctica,
named Graves Nunatak 06128 and 06129, using a battery of cosmochemical
techniques. These studies show that an even wider variety of magmas was
produced inside asteroids than we had thought, shedding light on the
melting histories and formation of asteroids.

References:

* Shearer, C. K., Burger, P. V., Neal, C. R., Sharp, Z., Borg, L.E.,
  Spivak-Birndorf, L., Wadhwa, M., Papike, J. J., Karner, J. M.,
  Gaffney, A. M., Shafer, J., Weiss, B. P. Geissman, J., and
  Fernandes, V. A. (2008) A Unique Glimpse into Asteroidal Melting
  Processes in the Early Solar System from the Graves Nunatak
  06128/06129 Achondrites. American Mineralogist, v. 93, p. 1937-1940.
* Day, J. M. D., Ash, R. D., Liu, Y., Bellucci, J. J., Rumble, D.
  III, McDonough, W. F., Walker, R. J., and Taylor, L. A. (2009)
  Early Formation of Evolved Asteroidal Crust. Nature, v. 457, p.
179-182. doi:10.1038/nature07651.

PSRDpresents:More Evidence for Multiple Meteorite Magmas --Short Slide
Summary  (with accompanying notes).


Asteroidal Lava Flows

Lava flows are glowing works of performance art, both scary and
mesmerizing. Cosmochemists are impressed by the show, but also by what
lava flows represent geologically. Volcanic eruptions are an important
part of how planetary crusts form, and lava flow compositions tell us
about not only the composition of a planet's crust, but about the
composition of its interior as well. Lava flows, even those that
crystallized billions of years ago, are packed with information that can
be unraveled by cosmochemical detective work.

Lavas erupted on all the rocky planets and on Io, a moon of Jupiter
about the size of Earth's Moon. They also erupted on asteroids. See the
artist's depiction below. Cosmochemists have previously identified
samples of at least five of these (see PSRD article: Asteroidal Lava
Flows <../April03/asteroidalLava.html>), plus other meteorites that give
us information about the effects of melting inside asteroids. We now
have a distinctly different, sixth type of lava in the form of the
Graves Nunatak (GRA) meteorites.

artist's depiction of lava fountaining on an asteriod

Lava flows on an asteroid could have constructed its crust. They might
have erupted as broad, high fountains of lava, but also might have
stalled beneath the surface and solidified underground.

The five lava types identified previously tell stories of melting inside
their parent asteroids, eruptions as lava flows and magma intrusion
beneath the surface, assault by impacts, and metamorphism from heat
inside the asteroids or from impact--complicated stories. An interesting
part of the stories is that each type's history is different. One type
(called the angrites) was not metamorphosed or affected by impact 
bombardment. Another, the mesosiderites, are fragmented basalt
lava flows mixed with metallic iron-nickel that then slowly cooled. The
one thing they have in common is low concentrations of volatile
elements like sodium and potassium. The
GRA 06128/9 meteorite pair is loaded with such moderately volatile
elements. It is a new type of asteroidal crust.

Meteorite GRA 06128 photo taken in Antarctica at time of collection by
ANSMET.

The ANSMET meteorite hunting team found GRA 06128 on blue ice in the
Graves Nunatak region of Antarctica during the 2006/2007 field-season.
This photograph was taken at the time of collection. The team gives each
meteorite a unique field number (shown on the number counter) that is
logged in the field notebook along with the rock's size and estimate of
fusion crust (black surfaces) and preliminary classification. The
meteorite's permanent name, GRA 06128, refers to its collection location
(GRA), season (06) and laboratory analysis number (128).

GRA 06128 and its pair, GRA 06129, are achondrite
meteorites with compositions unlike
any 

[meteorite-list] First Tracked Rock Recovered in Sudan (Asteroid 2008 TC3)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16635-first-tracked-space-rock-recovered-after-impact
  
First tracked space rock recovered after impact
by David Shiga 
New Scientist
February 19, 2009

The discovery of meteorites from an asteroid that exploded over Sudan in
October completes an astronomical trifecta. For the first time,
scientists have detected a space rock ahead of a collision with Earth,
watched it streak through the atmosphere, and then recovered pieces of it.

Analysis of the meteorites could shed light on conditions in the early
solar system more than 4 billion years ago.

When the asteroid, called 2008 TC3, was discovered
on 6 October last year, it was just 20 hours away from hitting Earth.
Though the warning period was short, it was the first time a space rock
had been found before it impacted the planet.

Orbital calculations predicted the object would plunge into the
atmosphere above Sudan at 0246 GMT on 7 October, and it arrived right on
time.  Observations suggested it was no more than 5 metres across, too 
small to survive intact all the way to the ground and cause damage.

The brilliant fireball it made as it descended through the atmosphere
was seen far in the distance by the crew of a KLM airliner, and was
observed by various satellites, including a weather satellite called
Meteosat-8.

Now, a team of meteorite hunters has found fragments of the object. The
meteorites are a unique group in that they come from an object seen
hurtling through space before its plunge into Earth's atmosphere.

Numerous fragments

Students from the University of Khartoum, led by Dr Muawia Shaddad,
found the first fragments using data provided by NASA to home in on
where fragments were likely to be found.

Scientists involved with the discovery, including Peter Jenniskens of
the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, have reportedly
submitted a study about the find to a scientific journal, and have not
responded to interview requests.

But Lindley Johnson, head of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program office at
the agency's headquarters in Washington, DC, reported the find on Monday
in Vienna, at a United Nations meeting

discussing near-Earth object (NEO) impacts. An image of the first
fragment found is included in the slides from Johnson's presentation
(pdf)  (see
slide 19).

Donald Yeomans, who manages NASA's efforts to find and track NEOs at the
Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, California, confirmed that
"quite a few" fragments have been found but declined to discuss them
further.

Weak material?

Before the fragments were found, meteorite expert Peter Brown of the
University of Western Ontario in Canada said the asteroid was likely
made of relatively weak material, given that 2008 TC3 broke up unusually
quickly once it hit the atmosphere, exploding about 37 kilometres above
ground.

Another object known to have broken up at about this height scattered
fragments over Tagish Lake in Canada in 2000. The Tagish Lake meteorites
turned out to be made of a very crumbly material, and fall into a class
of meteorites called carbonaceous chondrites, which have been modified
little by heat or other processes since the solar system formed more
than 4.5 billion years ago.

"I would caution making direct compositional comparisons [with the
Tagish Lake meteorites], but it does certainly underscore the global
weakness of [2008 TC3]," Brown said in comments
 posted on the JPL website in
November. He added that observations of the rock's quick breakup "all
but rule out" a composition rich in iron.

Point of origin

When the analysis of these rock fragments does come out, what is it
likely to tell us? Meteorites in general provide a valuable record of
conditions in the early solar system, such as temperature and chemical
composition.

And the 2008 TC3 meteorites could be especially illuminating because the
parent object was observed in space before the breakup, allowing
scientists to calculate its former orbit around the Sun. This provides
precious information connecting the meteorites to their place of origin
in the solar system.

For most other meteorites, such calculations involve a lot of guesswork.
Meteorites had previously been recovered
after about 10 "fireball" events, where parent space rocks were observed
streaking through the sky.

But in those cases, scientists had to try to reconstruct the object's
orbit based on its path through the atmosphere.

"It's often very difficult to get from a streak in the sky to what the
orbit was," says Allan Treiman of the Lunar and Planetary Institute in
Tucson, Arizona. "But if they've got its location before it hit the
atmosphere, they're far better off - that's really wonderful."


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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas fireball question

[Arizona Keith]

Hello Mike & List
Just like to forward this, has some good info.

North Texas Daily
Two astronomers from NT's faculty have confirmed that the pieces of 
meteorite they found were part of a meteor that burned up over the Texas sky 
on Feb. 15. The meteor was visible from Austin to East Texas, but the 
scientists found the fragments outside of the town of West, which is 15 
miles north of Waco and 106 miles west of Denton


http://media.www.ntdaily.com/media/storage/paper877/news/2009/02/20/News/Nt.Astronomers.Find.Meteorites-3640560.shtml

My best
Keith V
Chandler AZ

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Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas fireball question



Hi everyone somehow I missed it or maybe it has just not been stated.
What was the direction of the Texas fireball?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to West area...great article

[ensoramanda]

What a good article showing how scientists and hunters can all work together 
for collectors and science all in cooperation for a change.

Graham Ensor

 Jim Strope  wrote: 
> Interesting Article on Texas Fall:
> 
> http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1214950.html
> 
> Jim Strope
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> Glen Dale, WV  26038
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.

[ensoramanda]

I am an Artist who has always been fascinated by Astronomy and meteorites since 
the Barwell meteorite fell just up the road on the day after my 9th birthday in 
1965. Meteorites are among some of the many things that inspire my artwork and 
designs. I have always exhibited during my 20 years as a Lecturer in Art and 
Design. A head injury put a stop to my teaching career nearly ten years ago now 
and I have over that time had to completely change the way I work in order to 
stay creative...and still have a way to go I think!

I only realized I could own meteorites about eight years ago when I bought my 
first 869...and that 'physical' connection with astronomy was a revelation to 
me... just being able to touch and hold material which was older than the Earth 
and told us so much about our origins, not to mention seeing some of the 
earliest patterns and structures to have ever formed and that stay locked in 
time within until we find and study them.

I often travel around the world to hunt, purchase meteorites or visit impact 
sites now and in March I am helping with setting up a small meteorite museum, 
using my collection for science week at the local University, with impact 
experiments for families to take part in and related exhibits alongside some 
original Darwin artefacts.

I found my first meteorite (with which I featured on a BBC Stardate TV show) in 
Ireland in 2003 after the fireball on the west coast there and it is still at 
the OU being classified!!! Wish I was in Texas right now.

Graham Ensor, UK.

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[meteorite-list] Kentucky Fireball in Progress Report: The first week

[Mr EMan]

First a congratulations to the Texas contingent on a rapid reaction and timely 
track down of their fall and for providing inspiration!

My first awareness of the fireball came from a source in Florence/Erlangen 
Kentucky and was a good solid observation. As you recall the world was abuzz 
with lots of fireball and space re-entry events last weekend. Random fires in 
both Kentucky and Texas were attributed to falling satellite debris. Many 
discounted their experience owing to the false news reports that all the 
fireballs were satellite re-entries and it took some extra time to explain all 
these misconceptions to the readers.

With the "bird dogging" assistance of some list members I was able to locate 
internet blogs, conspiracy groups and scanner activity to focus on a cluster of 
"buzz" in the absence of reliable specific data. 

Unfortunately one of the main sites went down for maintenance right after I 
found and read some 280 plus posts (GodlikeProductions.com) when it came back 
up I was unable to find the thread.  Topix.com (similar to craigslist for local 
chat) has a 160 post thread from folks in and around London, KY. called 
"Explosion".

What I've gleaned that is fairly reliable and/ or merits additional digging 
into: folks saw the decent from Illinois,Indiana, Ohio, West Virginia, 
Kentucky, Tennessee, and North and South Carolina. In fact had I been otside at 
the time I'd have been able to see it (and I'd had at least one darn accurate 
fixed point to work from!)  I had one report or a "nearly directly over head" 
east to west passage from a GPS location but no azimuth.  I've 30+ "I Live in 
Podunk and I saw it from my window.. Gosh Wow" reports with absolutely no 
azimuth data.  Just in a report from Ontario, Canada. 

I am ploting fireball reports from AMSMeteors.org and trying to link up with 
another plotter from yet another site.  Where I do have azimuth directions some 
of them suggest folks have reversed their cardinal directions. When I plot most 
tracks they go from southeast to northwest but a few indicate a west to east 
trajectory.  Most of these conflicts are from the more distant stations.

I have some reports which suggest this event produced electrophonic sounds. 
Some short delays or near instant sounds in sighting reports hint at the 
presence of electrophonic sounds.  I hope to interview more folks when I get to 
London.

Several folks reported bizarre,agitated fearful or otherwise strange pet 
behavior immediately before the appearance of the fireball. 

Because no formal protocol seems to exist in the US to orchestrate the 6-8 US 
Government Agencies which might be players-- else keepers of data. I've spent a 
week making headway into the USAF, The FAA, The US Geological Survey, DHS as in 
Dept of Homeland Security, The National Weather Service(NWS),NASA,and the US 
Forest Service. OOps the IRS was personal business so 6 Federal, two state and 
local, 6-8 international subject matter experts and of course my beloved 
meteorite list who always gives solid reliable advice!  

In the past 12 hours I have found a seismograph online with a single blip/jolt 
on a seismogram 50 miles from London, KY that the USGS said didn't exist--long 
story. Since there are other similar blips throughout the day the only thing I 
know so far is this may not be a sonic signature but it is within the time 
frame and area of interest. With help from the National Weather Service office 
in Jackson, KY I was able to track down archived doppler data for the night of 
the 13th ( which is reported in Zulu Time so the data was under the 14th).  
There is a high echo frame with a suddenly appearing, meteor-like, echo line 
occurring  southeast to northwest just below and parallel to the Knox County KY 
line but with 10 minute gaps in the frames I am not sure this is the signature 
we are looking for.

Family tragedy has kept me at home this week but this did allow me to track 
down all these other sources.

With more caveats than nailed down facts, my latest "prognostication" is:  This 
was a natural, sound-producing medium to large fireball; Tracking generally 
from the southeast to northwest on a line just north of London Ky at possibly 
2210-2212EST (GMT -5).

If anyone wants links to the data such that we have a second set of eyes 
looking for info, it will take me a bit to assemble all the links but send me a 
request directly and when it is ready I'll email you the links.

Elton




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Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls page....again

[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 12:56:52 -0700, you wrote:

>8 Atlantis

Atlantis?  Right here:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article2255989.ece

Of course, the New World Order and the Illumaniti are already begining the
coverup:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1150846/Hopes-dashed-Google-Ocean-image-lost-city-Atlantis-proves-sort.html
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[meteorite-list] Ad / Unclassified Iron Meteorite

[Malek Youssef]

Hi Listees
I have for sale a 1800gr unclassified Iron Meteorite from Algeria , contact me 
off list if you are interested.
Regards
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to West area

[David Pensenstadler]

Mike, Moritz, Robert, Shauna, and others:

Great work.

I was wondering whether this fall is on private, city, or government property, 
and who actually owns the finds.  Since Mike posted that this is all farm 
country I inferred that it is all private property.  If so, do you guys always 
get permission to hunt the property?  Do the property owners get anything in 
return for their permission to hunt?

With so many people arriving to hunt, it seems that this could be a concern by 
some hunters if not all people know the proper procedures for hunting on 
various types of property.

Just wondering.

Dave
--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Jim Strope  wrote:

> From: Jim Strope 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to West area
> To: "Meteorite Central" 
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 8:25 AM
> Interesting Article on Texas Fall:
> 
> http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1214950.html
> 
> Jim Strope
> 421 Fourth Street
> Glen Dale, WV  26038
> 
> http://www.catchafallingstar.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.

[David Pensenstadler]

Dear List:

I am a 64 year old retired chemist and amateur astronomer with 3 grown children 
and 4 grandchildren, and will celebrate my 40th anniversary in April.  I 
started collecting meteorites in 1998 when Bill Cassidy, The Father of the 
Antarctic Search for Meteorites Program, gave me a 20 g. Henbury.  I now have 
nearly 100 meteorites displayed in the Natural Sciences Section of my Living 
Room.  In recent years, I have been giving lectures on meteorites to high 
school teachers and to students of all levels. I have worked with Geoff Notkin 
to get small Sihkote Alin meteorites to give away to school children, who 
really appreciate these wonders from space. 

I have been to the Gold Basin strewnfield a couple of times, and also to 
Franconia.  Have found small pieces on all occassions.

I am also the Chairman of the Spectroscopy Society of Pittsburgh, a non-profit 
organization that gives away more than half million dollars to science 
education yearly. Our funding comes from proceeds from an annual conference 
called the Pittsburgh Conference on Analytical Chemistry and Applied 
Spectroscopy. I have just organized an invited symposium on "Space Exploration 
in the 21st. Century" for this conference which will be held in Chicago in 
March.  You can check out our program at www.pittcon.org.


--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Walter Branch  wrote:

> From: Walter Branch 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.
> To: "Meteorite List" 
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 6:56 AM
> Hi Michael,
> 
> No way!
> 
> I really like reading about list members jobs, etc.  I
> would prefer not see summary statistics, t-tests,
> ANOVA's, MANOVA, factor analysis, etc of list members
> personal data.
> 
> Having said that, it appears that the majority of list
> members hail from North America and Europe.  I would like to
> hear more from list members in Asia and Africa.
> 
> -Walter Branch
> - Original Message - From: "Michael
> Blood" 
> To: "Tomasz Jakubowski" ;
> "Meteorite List"
> 
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.
> 
> 
> By the way, all,
>All this info and MUCH more can be posted on my
> Meteorite friends page sponsored by Meteorite Exchange,
> Which allows you to have 4 photos, list your web page,
> Write a Bio as long as you want, etc, etc.
>A few years ago, I started a "Meteorite
> Friends" page
> On my site which includes the photos of well over 200
> List members. When you are reading posts of someone,
> You can see who they "are" by looking them up 
> (by
> First name) at:
> 
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html
> 
> Later, Paul Harris (a great contributor to the meteorite
> Community in general) of Meteorite Exchange offered to
> extend this page for me (he is a master web page maker)
> by creating a page link that would allow people to self
> enter
> info re themselves at:
> 
> http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9
> 
>You will see dozens of list members, their photos
> And a great deal more info on them. It is all SELF ENTERED,
> So, you can include or exclude any info you care to. This
> does
> Not REPLACE the Meteorite Friends page, but rather adds
> Great depth to it by way of info.
>If all you want is to refresh your visual memory of a
> list member,
> go to:
> 
> http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html
> 
>If you want in depth info on a list member, go to:
> 
> http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9
> 
>Best wishes, Michael
> PS: Those who have not listed themselves for my Meteorite
> Friends Page, please simply attach a "head shot"
> in digital
> Format to an email with "Meteorite Friends Page"
> in the
> Subject line.
>If you are on the Meteorite Friends Page, please go
> to
> The above in depth link and enter whatever information on
> Yourself you are willing to share.
> 
> 
> On 2/19/09 8:31 AM, "Tomasz Jakubowski"
>  wrote:
> 
> > I'm 28 geologist, Ph.D. student (I work with
> carbon in meteorites,
> > especially with diamonds). Most of time I spend with
> meteorites
> > research/collecting.
> > I live in Wroclaw in Poland.
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Re: [meteorite-list] West Texas meteorite fall

[David Pensenstadler]

Mike, Moritz, Robert, and Shauna:

Great work.

I was wondering if this fall was on private, city, or government property, and 
who actually owns the finds.  Do you guys get permission from all private 
property owners before you enter an area?  (Mike, I know you indicated in a 
previous post that you did get permission from one farmer). Do the property 
owners get anything in return for letting you on their property?

With so many people arriving to search, it seems that this could be a concern 
by those hunters who actually follow all the rules.

Dave


--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Michael Gilmer  wrote:

> From: Michael Gilmer 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West Texas meteorite fall
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 10:48 AM
> Hi Mike!
> 
> When I saw that photo, one old saying came to mind:
> 
> The early bird gets the worm. :)
> 
> Nice find.  Good luck to all of you guys (and gals) out
> there
> and keep the reports flowing in. 
> 
> Regards and happy huntings,
> 
> MikeG
> 
> 
> .
> Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA)
> Member of the Meteoritical Society.
> Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
> Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and
> http://www.glassthrower.com
> ..
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:25:28 -0800 (PST)
> From: Michael Farmer 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas meteorite fall
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Message-ID:
> <357055.31734...@web110615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> 
> 
> Check out this piece I found today;)
> 
> http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=birdnestxq6.jpg
> 
> 
> Hi everyone. Sorry for the attempts to write emails from my
> IPHONE. Not the easiest thing to do while walking through
> the pasture, looking for meteorites. 
> 
> Here is a short note about what we know.
> When the meteorite fell, a farmer was working near his barn
> and saw the explosion and fireball in the sky. He said that
> a few seconds later, stones started falling out of the sky,
> and he ran into the metal barn to escape the falling rocks.
> He heard pieces hitting the metal roof. A minute later, he
> went out and started picking up the black burned rocks.
> It seems they told a couple of family members but wanted to
> keep it to themselves as they do not like outsiders and hate
> the government. Don't forget, this is WACO, Branch
> Dividian nut-job country, so people seem to be a little odd
> here.
> Anyway, word did get out and Robert Ward, Moritz Karl,
> Robert Woolard and his son Rob, Shauna (Robert's
> girlfriend and meteorite-huntress extraordinaire) and myself
> had been working on this fall since a few hours after it
> occurred. We narrowed down the fall site as West, Texas. We
> were right on, within 20 minutes of arriving at West, we
> located the farm, spoke to the landowners, got permission to
> hunt, and then minutes later got evicted from the land, as
> the people did not like so many people arriving at once. It
> scared them.
> We promptly got permission to hunt on surrounding
> properties and Moritz within seconds found a meteorite. This
> is what was all over the news yesterday. We all hunted
> today, in numerous places, trying to extend the strewn field
> out, which we did by about 1 km only. Of course, the
> strewn-field must be very large, but it will take some days
> to get a hit further afield I think.
> This morning I found a nice piece, pictured above in an
> opportune pose:) and very quickly Robert Ward and the
> Woolard?s both found pieces, then I found another.
> As far as I know, I would say at least 20 stones have been
> found, all under 50 grams. This is just the beginning,
> larger stones are there, but further afield, waiting to be
> saved. And saved in about two weeks or less, as the grass is
> growing right now, turning green and the farmers are all
> getting ready to plow and plant. Anything not found right
> now will be lost, and I mean all of it. There is virtually
> no hunting ground that is not plowed farmland.
> 
> Anyway, things are good, we are all tired, sunburned,
> chapped, cut up, and extremely happy to be on a successful
> meteorite hunt days after the long Tucson show. Who would
> have imagined.
> Michael Farmer
> 
> 
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[meteorite-list] Gary Lloyd

[mail]

Please email or call me.
720 346 8606.
Thanks
Matt
Matt Morgan
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 20, 2009

[Michael Johnson]

http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_20_2009.html
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[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: February 16-20, 2009

[Ron Baalke]

MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES
February 16-20, 2009

o Dunes (Released 16 February 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090216a

o Volcanic Features (Released 17 February 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090217a

o Southern Spring (Released 18 February 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090218a

o Northern Plains (Released 19 February 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090219a

o South Polar Spring (Released 20 February 2009)
  http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20090220a


All of the THEMIS images are archived here:

http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission 
for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission 
Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University,
Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. 
The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State 
University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor 
for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission 
operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a 
division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. 



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[meteorite-list] NASA's Dawn Spaceraft Sling-shots Around Mars

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n0902/18dawnmars/

NASA's Dawn spacecraft sling-shots around Mars
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
February 18, 2009

NASA's Dawn spacecraft passed a crucial waypoint on the way to the
asteroid belt Tuesday, whizzing 340 miles above Mars to use the planet's
gravity to set up for the probe's arrival at its first target in 2011.

Dawn's closest approach occurred at about 7:28 p.m. EST, effectively
changing the probe's velocity by more than 5,800 mph.

"The navigators were dead on and the thing flew past and got the energy
assist that it needed," said DC Agle, NASA spokesman.

The fly-by put Dawn on track for its intercept of Vesta, a rocky
asteroid that could harbor clues about the formation of the planets.

The gravity of Mars will change Dawn's path about the sun, enlarging its
elliptical orbit and sending the probe farther from the sun. It will
also change Dawn's orbital plane by more than 5 degrees. This is
important because Dawn has to maneuver into the same plane in which
Vesta orbits the sun," Marc Rayman, the mission's chief engineer, said
before the encounter.

The gravity assist was critical to the mission because it saves the
weight of additional fuel that would be needed to propel the spacecraft.
That extra fuel could have made the $425 million mission unaffordable,
officials said.

Dawn's highly efficient ion propulsion system uses small amounts of
xenon gas to gradually guide the spacecraft across the solar system. The
probe's three thrusters have already fired for 270 days, consuming 158
pounds of xenon and changing the spacecraft's speed by about 4,050 mph.

Scientists are taking advantage of the Mars fly-by to calibrate Dawn's
suite of instruments before they are employed in the asteroid belt.

The sensors are collecting test data for comparison with information
gathered by a fleet of orbiters stationed at Mars. The instruments
analyze neutrons, gamma rays, and ultraviolet, visible and infrared light.

"Any time you compare data sets, there is the potential to find
something new," said Tom Prettyman, the lead investigator for Dawn's
gamma ray and neutron detector.

Observations began early Tuesday and ground controllers were only able
to monitor the fly-by through low-gain auxiliary antennas. Dawn will
turn its primary antenna toward Earth Thursday morning and capture a
final set of images of Mars Friday morning.

All data from the fly-by should be sent back to Earth by next week,
according to Rayman.

Dawn's space age propulsion system will remain silent for the next four
months as Dawn coasts in its new orbit that stretches further from the sun.

Engineers will fire up the engines again in the middle of June to begin
driving Dawn toward Vesta.

The oval-shaped asteroid has an average diameter of about 320 miles, or
about the size of Arizona. Vesta's surface is coated with hardened lava
that seeped from its surface shortly after its formation.

Officials estimate Dawn will need to fire its ion propulsion system for
about 720 more days before reaching Vesta. Arrival at the asteroid is
targeted for around Sept. 1, 2011.

The arrival date could change based on the Dawn's final trajectory,
according to a NASA spokesman.

Dawn will spend up to nine months studying Vesta before beginning a
three-year chase of asteroid Ceres, a spherical icy dwarf planet.

Ceres arrival is scheduled for February 2015, and officials tentatively
plan to retire Dawn later that year.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls page....again

[Sterling K. Webb]

8?  8?!! Hey! You left out Mu...
AND Lemuria!


Sterling K. Webb
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From: "Mike Jensen" 
To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 1:56 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls pageagain


Hi Darren & list

>>6 of 8 continents hit.
>
> Uh

Yes 8

1 N America
2 S America
3 Europe
4 Asia
5 Africa
6 Australia
7 Antarctica
8 Atlantis


oops major brain meltdown.
That is what happens when I hurry.
Should have said 5 of 7...one of which has never seen a fall...ever.



Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls page....again

[Frank Cressy]

Hi Mike and all,

The stone from the Sudan fall looks to have fairly glassy, shiny crust.  A 
possible eucrite...or a shergottite??? ;-)   I seem to remember when we first 
heard about the fall, Rob Matson?? thought its orbit took it near Mars.  
Interesting to see what's its classification will be.

Just thought I'd stir the pot,

Frank

--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Mike Jensen  wrote:

From: Mike Jensen 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls pageagain
To: "Meteorite Mailing List" 
Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 9:51 AM

Hi All
I just added the 2008 TC3 Sudan fall from last year.
http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm
What a year...10 falls...so far. Probably will be 1 or 2 more that
come to light in the future.
2008
Dec 20 Morocco
Nov 20 Buzzard Coulee, Canada
Oct 6 northern Sudan
Sept 12 India
June 6 Romania
Apr 12 China
Apr 6 Argentina
Mar 7 Turkey
Jan 14 Argentina
Jan 1 Indonesia

6 of 8 continents hit.

Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls page....again

[Mike Jensen]

Hi Darren & list

>>6 of 8 continents hit.
>
> Uh

Yes 8

1 N America
2 S America
3 Europe
4 Asia
5 Africa
6 Australia
7 Antarctica
8 Atlantis


oops major brain meltdown.
That is what happens when I hurry.
Should have said 5 of 7...one of which has never seen a fall...ever.



Mike


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[Darren Garrison]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2009 10:51:00 -0700, you wrote:

>
>6 of 8 continents hit.

Uh...
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: unclassified orionted CM2+A NICE IRON AND A GUESS

[Adam Hupe]

My guess is that it a terrestrial byproduct of a fire in the sand.

Best Regards,

Adam


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[meteorite-list] the strange carbonaceous IMB

[habibi abdelaziz]

well thanks for all the emails guys, 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3293463147/sizes/l/

the best guess are projected for a carbonaceous  CM IMB.
WELL  let's the labs say  what they think.

all the best
aziz
 habibi aziz 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Updated falls page....again

[Mike Jensen]

Hi All
I just added the 2008 TC3 Sudan fall from last year.
http://jensenmeteorites.com/New%20meteorites.htm
What a year...10 falls...so far. Probably will be 1 or 2 more that
come to light in the future.
2008
Dec 20 Morocco
Nov 20 Buzzard Coulee, Canada
Oct 6 northern Sudan
Sept 12 India
June 6 Romania
Apr 12 China
Apr 6 Argentina
Mar 7 Turkey
Jan 14 Argentina
Jan 1 Indonesia

6 of 8 continents hit.

Mike


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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?

[Steve Dunklee]

i guess since by your standards having 33%  OF YOUR INCOME IS NECESSARY  to 
qualify as a job then i guess i don't have one! the tougher times get the more 
money i make!
have a great day
Steve

--- On Thu, 2/19/09, Michael Blood  wrote:

> From: Michael Blood 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?
> To: pierremariep...@yahoo.fr, "Meteorite List" 
> 
> Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 7:30 PM
> This is the kind of survey best taken OFF list by a list
> member who
> Will report back the results to the list. I suggest a limit
> of a minimum
> Of 33% of income to include a "job" or
> "Career"  - ie: some people will
> "be" several things: College instructor,
> meteorite dealer, for instance.
> Best wishes,Michael  (PS I suggest someone with
> SOME experience
> With statistics so a reasonably comprehensive report can be
> made)
> 
> 
> On 2/19/09 5:29 AM, "Pelé Pierre-Marie"
>  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hello List,
> > 
> > as we communicate frequently through the List, I
> sometimes think about what is
> > your job ?
> > 
> > The meteorites are what we share in common but most of
> you are not meteorite
> > dealers. So I thought it could be cool to know a
> little bit more from each
> > other.
> > 
> > So I start ;-)
> > I'm 38, live west of Paris (France) and am Project
> Manager on TV for Orange
> > (telecommunications company)
> > 
> > Pierre-Marie Pele
> > www.meteor-center.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD: unclassified orionted CM2+A NICE IRON AND A GUESS

[tracy latimer]

A carbonaceous breccia?  Even if it is CB, how on earth did it make it down to 
the ground without powdering/vaporizing?  It looks like it would fall apart if 
you sneezed on it!

Tracy Latimer


> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:48:27 -0800
> From: azizhab...@yahoo.com
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: unclassified orionted CM2+A NICE IRON AND A 
> GUESS
>
> HI LIST,
> i have here for sale ,
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/
>
> 1=a nicely orionted  possible unclassified  cm2  23.3 gr  very nice nice 
> oriontation left some flow lines the oriontation is perfect.
>
> 2= a 464 gr iron unclassified  from zagora  has some lips all over like shoes 
> lips.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3294278960/
> see more photo in the set
>
> 3= and a guess a stone ai bought thinking it's an achondrite 39 gr very 
> leight  made from pur carbon and look like a CI CARBONACEOUS but it's 
> abreccia and all this breccia is carbon when i polish with my hand it left 
> only black powder ; i think its a crabonaceous breccia if ever ther is a 
> carbonaceous breccia.
> just guess what is it and you make me happyif you wnat more photo email me.
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3293463147/
>
> thanks and for the ads make your offer please.
>
> all the best
> aziz habibi
>
>
>  I.M.C.A # 6220habibi aziz
> box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco
> phone. 21235576145
> fax.21235576170
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Re: [meteorite-list] Kalahari 009 - biggest lunar meteorite?

[Martin Altmann]

Hi Mike,

> Does anyone keep or maintain a list of the largest lunar or martian
>meteorites?  

Sure. And not only of the largest. Of all.

Here you have the always up-to-date-lists of all lunars and Martians,
maintained by Norbert Classen.
They're comfortable, cause they group the pairings together, so it's easy to
see which ones of that number salad, belong together and stem from the same
original fall.

Lunars:
http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html


So according that list, the ranking of the largest specimens would be:

1.Kalahari 009  13.5kg
2.NWA 5000  11.562kg

(Shisr 162   5.525kg  there we have no information yet, whether
it was 
1 stone)

3.NWA 3163   1.634kg
4.DaG 4001.425kg

(NWA 47341.372kg  if we presume, that it was one mass, which
was hammered into pieces, on the other hand the Bulletin speaks of 2 stones
found.) 

5.LAP 02205  1.226kg
6. NWA 482   1.015kg

?7. NWA 2996 0.968kg  will be published in this year's Bulletin, no 
idea whether it is one stone or several.

8. DaG 1042  0.801kg
9. Dho 025   0.751kg
10. MAC 881050.663kg


The ranking by the total amount of material found from a fall:

1. Kalahari 14.98kg
2. NWA 5000 11.528kg
3. Shisr 162 (160,161)   5.525kg (5,683kg if they belong together)
4. NWA 3163-4881 2.448kg
5. NWA 2995-5152 1.944kg
6. LAP 02205-04841   1.930kg
7. DaG 400   1.425kg
8. NWA 4734  1.372kg  
9. DaG 262-1048  1.328kg
10.NWA 773-Anoual1.222kg

Note again, how important the contribution was, from private side, which
shall be now restricted by the will of a few scientists. The Antarctic
campaigns were brought into being with the justification to recover
planetary material. And they were successful. Found in 32 years 19 different
lunars, together a little less than 5kgs. 

The private initiatives found in 10 years 40 diffent lunars (+ earlier in 97
Dag 262 + old Calacalong) - together 50kgs. 
You see therefore, what for a large asinity they plan to commit. All other
official expeditions of the recent 30 years found a single piece of a lunar,
the 0.2kg of SaU 169 in Oman. Now Oman has forbidden all private hunting,
cause of a few yellers. But the private hunters found there 18 lunars in
more than hundred individual stones & fragments at a weight of 10kgs.

So in fact nobody can understand, what they are doing and for what it could
be good? For science obviously not. The outcome all observed with Libya,
where the find rates completely broke down with a factor of 200 and in
Australia too. 

The only arguments they produce and itinerate are:
The lunars would disappear on a "black market" and would be lost for
research. 
That argument is disproven. 
All lunars are brought to classification (samples as deposit even delivered
for free). The holders of the main masses are very well known, often even
given in the Bulletins. 
And the material is offered perfectly transparently and accessible by
everyone via internet. Bulletins they should know as their basic tool in
their field, if they have troubles to use internet, they can put a student
for some afternoons in front of the computer, to gather the offers for them.
So there is no black market. A black market rather would be initiated at all
by the restrictive regulations they try to enforce. But more likely it will
be, that noone will go searching for meteorites anymore. Like in Libya, like
in Australia. And the people in Sahara, they will do without meteorites and
will make their fossils and minerals, like always, cause meteorites always
were a really more than marginal business for them.

Well and to find them by their own... the stats for the last decades aren't
encouraging - and to replace the manpower and experience of the hundreds of
nameless hunters - that would be an immensely expensive task.

Second argument or stereotype they put forth is, that meteorites from the
private sector would be to expensive for research and that the prices would
have soared by the private activities.
The latter is extremely easy to disprove. 
The desert meteorites yield the cheapest prices in history and they are
cheap like never before and the rarest and most interesting types are
available at rates so low, like never in history before. Let's stay with the
lunars, 1st was Calcalong - reported were carat-prices leading to a gram
price >1 million, and the very first two years the DaGs had prices at
200k$/g. Now we have prices for the lunars of 400$ up to 2000$ a gram,
depending on the rareness of the subtype and on the size of the cuts.
Most expensive are the historic falls and finds, they are expensive because
of the low availability. Why the availability is low?
Rrrright, because the by far largest amou

Re: [meteorite-list] Aziz's Carbonaceous > Breccia?

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Elton,

The first thing that popped into my head was a blackened Gujba. :)

It looks like an endcut of Gujba that survived a fire.

Regards and clear skies,

MikeG


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Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network.
Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com
..

> --
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:58:16 -0800 (PST)
> From: Mr EMan 
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Aziz's Carbonaceous
> Breccia?
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, thetop...@aol.com
> Message-ID:
> <75603.79418...@web55201.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> 
> Looks to me like a CB as in Bencubinite. The "large
> chondrites" mentioned should be blebs of nickel-iron. 
> One of more or the blebs isn't so oval as the others but
> the appearance to CB: aka a Bencubinite.
> 
> Elton


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] West Texas meteorite fall

[Michael Gilmer]

Hi Mike!

When I saw that photo, one old saying came to mind:

The early bird gets the worm. :)

Nice find.  Good luck to all of you guys (and gals) out there
and keep the reports flowing in. 

Regards and happy huntings,

MikeG


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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 19:25:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Michael Farmer 
Subject: [meteorite-list] West Texas meteorite fall
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Message-ID: <357055.31734...@web110615.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1



Check out this piece I found today;)

http://img232.imageshack.us/my.php?image=birdnestxq6.jpg


Hi everyone. Sorry for the attempts to write emails from my IPHONE. Not the 
easiest thing to do while walking through the pasture, looking for meteorites. 

Here is a short note about what we know.
When the meteorite fell, a farmer was working near his barn and saw the 
explosion and fireball in the sky. He said that a few seconds later, stones 
started falling out of the sky, and he ran into the metal barn to escape the 
falling rocks. He heard pieces hitting the metal roof. A minute later, he went 
out and started picking up the black burned rocks.
It seems they told a couple of family members but wanted to keep it to 
themselves as they do not like outsiders and hate the government. Don't forget, 
this is WACO, Branch Dividian nut-job country, so people seem to be a little 
odd here.
Anyway, word did get out and Robert Ward, Moritz Karl, Robert Woolard and his 
son Rob, Shauna (Robert's girlfriend and meteorite-huntress extraordinaire) and 
myself had been working on this fall since a few hours after it occurred. We 
narrowed down the fall site as West, Texas. We were right on, within 20 minutes 
of arriving at West, we located the farm, spoke to the landowners, got 
permission to hunt, and then minutes later got evicted from the land, as the 
people did not like so many people arriving at once. It scared them.
We promptly got permission to hunt on surrounding properties and Moritz within 
seconds found a meteorite. This is what was all over the news yesterday. We all 
hunted today, in numerous places, trying to extend the strewn field out, which 
we did by about 1 km only. Of course, the strewn-field must be very large, but 
it will take some days to get a hit further afield I think.
This morning I found a nice piece, pictured above in an opportune pose:) and 
very quickly Robert Ward and the Woolard?s both found pieces, then I found 
another.
As far as I know, I would say at least 20 stones have been found, all under 50 
grams. This is just the beginning, larger stones are there, but further afield, 
waiting to be saved. And saved in about two weeks or less, as the grass is 
growing right now, turning green and the farmers are all getting ready to plow 
and plant. Anything not found right now will be lost, and I mean all of it. 
There is virtually no hunting ground that is not plowed farmland.

Anyway, things are good, we are all tired, sunburned, chapped, cut up, and 
extremely happy to be on a successful meteorite hunt days after the long Tucson 
show. Who would have imagined.
Michael Farmer



  
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunters flock to West area

[Jim Strope]

Interesting Article on Texas Fall:

http://www.star-telegram.com/804/story/1214950.html

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

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Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Results now posted

[Michael Blood]

Hi all,
Given that in the past people have enthusiastically
Requested auction results be posted, they are now up
(at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson09.html

   Again, auctions are NOT an indication of "Market Value."
They indicate the interests of the few people there AND the
Limits of their pocket books (which are stretched to breaking
At the Tucson Show) I passed on over 20 % of the offerings
I wanted, primarily because regardless of the "deal" I could not,
at that time, afford them. (I also do not like bidding "against"
Participants except when outright theft is attempted (when
People refuse to open the bidding WAY below value).
Anyway, results are now "up" for whatever reason people
Are driven to kick themselves for. Also, please note that the
Last minute crash of my computer system resulted in a total
Loss of absentee bids. A couple people phoned me at the last
Minute, but they were out bid in the action.
My nomination for the  best price brought was the late
Numbered thin Imilac slice. It was as close to perfect as one
Could get and sold for over $18/g. Given its perfection, it might
Also have been one of the best buys. The carbonado diamonds
Were also VERY  good deals, but the one people really missed
On was likely the NWA2737 (Chassignite) at a minimum of only
$1,500/g for a one gram slice. VERY nice and a steal compared
To the $50K/g for Chassigny. A couple people snapped up a couple
Of Jerry Armstrong Prints at below cost, as well. I was shocked
To see the quality of his reproductions compared to the computer
Image on my web page of his work - and I am told his talk was
Both fun and very informative.
Best wishes, Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?

[Roman]

43 - 3 great kids and lovely wife, we had our 9th anniversary yesterday.
Work at D&S Signs (Milton) for 26 years now! Bought the company back in 95.
Started collecting meteorites 11 years ago and invented the black aluminum 
labels

for meteorite collections, which you can now find everywhere.

Cheers!

Roman Jirasek
Ontario, Canada




- Original Message - 
From: "Eric Twelker" 

To: 
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?


I am a meteorite dealer.  That's how I make my living.  Occasionally I 
take on a bit of work in my hobby-job as a mining exploration  geologist. 
That was my career at one time.  I did that for 13 years  and was a lawyer 
for another 15 years after that--I am 59 now.  I  don't practice law any 
more, but when I did it tended to be natural  resource mega-cases.  I am 
happily married for 30 years with two very  smart sons--one a geologist and 
one a physicist.  (They were two  little guys holding meteorites on Paul 
and Jim's "meteorite kids" web  page ages ago.)  I love geology and 
thinking about the Earth . . .   and trying to understand it.  Meteorites 
play a part, of course-- 
always a spark for a thought, an idea . . .


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[meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?

[David Allepuz]

Hello list members,

At 41, I'm a a bank office director.
I studied phisics, but bank pays a great income...

I reached meteoritics as a branch of my astronomy interest since a boy.

Last year found a new meteorite at Sahara while exploring with a meteorite 
friend (J.Vicente Casado), so we are very busy clasifiying the 140 pieces we 
found.


Now, apart of a proud owner of a observatory, I'm also a proud owner of a 
meteorite collection.


I'm Married and we have two sons who loves space and meteorites.

And Mike (Farmer), don't worry, we are here, online, waiting for your 
notices about your finds in Texas, if you need any help from listees, I'm 
sure we will help you.


You all, listees near Texas, make me grow a sane envy.

Have a great weekend hunting for meteorites !!

David Allepuz
Corbera de Llobregat
Barcelona
Spain
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.

[Walter Branch]

Hi Michael,

No way!

I really like reading about list members jobs, etc.  I would prefer not see 
summary statistics, t-tests, ANOVA's, MANOVA, factor analysis, etc of list 
members personal data.


Having said that, it appears that the majority of list members hail from 
North America and Europe.  I would like to hear more from list members in 
Asia and Africa.


-Walter Branch
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Blood" 
To: "Tomasz Jakubowski" ; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2009 9:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, Job, ETC.


By the way, all,
   All this info and MUCH more can be posted on my
Meteorite friends page sponsored by Meteorite Exchange,
Which allows you to have 4 photos, list your web page,
Write a Bio as long as you want, etc, etc.
   A few years ago, I started a "Meteorite Friends" page
On my site which includes the photos of well over 200
List members. When you are reading posts of someone,
You can see who they "are" by looking them up  (by
First name) at:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

Later, Paul Harris (a great contributor to the meteorite
Community in general) of Meteorite Exchange offered to
extend this page for me (he is a master web page maker)
by creating a page link that would allow people to self enter
info re themselves at:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9

   You will see dozens of list members, their photos
And a great deal more info on them. It is all SELF ENTERED,
So, you can include or exclude any info you care to. This does
Not REPLACE the Meteorite Friends page, but rather adds
Great depth to it by way of info.
   If all you want is to refresh your visual memory of a list member,
go to:

http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html

   If you want in depth info on a list member, go to:

http://www.meteorite.com/friends/index.php/cat/9

   Best wishes, Michael
PS: Those who have not listed themselves for my Meteorite
Friends Page, please simply attach a "head shot" in digital
Format to an email with "Meteorite Friends Page" in the
Subject line.
   If you are on the Meteorite Friends Page, please go to
The above in depth link and enter whatever information on
Yourself you are willing to share.


On 2/19/09 8:31 AM, "Tomasz Jakubowski"  wrote:


I'm 28 geologist, Ph.D. student (I work with carbon in meteorites,
especially with diamonds). Most of time I spend with meteorites
research/collecting.
I live in Wroclaw in Poland.


Kind Regards
Tomasz Jakubowski
IMCA  #2321

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Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments of impacting asteroid 2008 TC3 recovered

[lebofsky]

Dear Marco:

Thanks for this information. There was a minor error in it, however.

The article lists Alan Treiman at the Lunar and Planetary Institute. This
is correct. However, LPI is in Houston, Texas, not Tucson, Arizona. The
Planetary Sciece Institute is in Tucson. Close but no cigar.

Lest we forget, 2008 TC3 (discovered by the Catalina Sky Survey just north
of Tucson) was an Apollo asteroid (it was in an Earth-crossing orbit,
obviously). But it also barely crossed the orbit of Mars. Also, it was
tumbling or wobbling with a period under 100 seconds. This implies that it
was a "solid" rock, not a rubble pile.

Larry

On Fri, February 20, 2009 1:38 am, Marco Langbroek wrote:
> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16635-found-pieces-of-space-rock-on
> ce-seen-heading-for-earth.html
>
> Fragments of the small asteroid impact (NEA 2008 TC3) over Sudan in
> October have
> been found.
>
> - Marco
>
>
> -
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>
>
> http://www.marcolangbroek.nl
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Re: [meteorite-list] Aziz's Carbonaceous Breccia?

[ensoramanda]

Sureley a bencubinite would show a lot of metalunless the metal has 
weathered/changed in a similar way to Hukitta? But I agree it does have that 
look about it.

Graham Ensor

 Mr EMan  wrote: 
> 
> Looks to me like a CB as in Bencubinite. The "large chondrites" mentioned 
> should be blebs of nickel-iron.  One of more or the blebs isn't so oval as 
> the others but the appearance to CB: aka a Bencubinite.
> 
> Elton
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 2/19/09, thetop...@aol.com  wrote:
> 
> > From: thetop...@aol.com 
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Aziz's Carbonaceous Breccia?
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Date: Thursday, February 19, 2009, 9:00 PM
> > List, Aziz,
> >  
> >  I've never seen a meteorite like this, anyone else? 
> > _http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3293463147/_ 
> > (http://www.flickr.com/photos/azizhabibi/3293463147/) 
> > 
> > 
> > -Larry
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Re: [meteorite-list] Texas fireball question --plus Radar Photos

[Mr EMan]

Mike, The direction, based on weather radar echoes, was roughly South East to 
West by North West.

Here is a link to a TV Station blog what shows the two screens( high and lower 
altitude) from each of the two radars at KVUE and KFWS.  The meteoroid/ionized 
train echo was the only echo in the sky in the area at the time.  The left most 
images, I believe, suggests an echo reflection "post fragmentation" based on 
the spread.



Elton


--- On Fri, 2/20/09, Mike Miller  wrote:

> From: Mike Miller 
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Texas fireball question
> To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" 
> 
> Date: Friday, February 20, 2009, 2:24 AM
> Hi everyone somehow I missed it or maybe it has just not
> been stated.
> What was the direction of the Texas fireball?
> 
> -- 
> Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fragments of impacting asteroid 2008 TC3 recovered

[Matthias Bärmann]

Thank you, Marco. I've been waiting for some news from Sudan in this 
concern. Sudan, California, Canada - great, what a collaboration! Seemingly 
falling rocks bring us clother together on our planet. And if there really 
would turn out a parallel to Tagish Lake - wow!


Best regards,

Matthias Baermann

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:38 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Fragments of impacting asteroid 2008 TC3 recovered



http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16635-found-pieces-of-space-rock-once-seen-heading-for-earth.html

Fragments of the small asteroid impact (NEA 2008 TC3) over Sudan in 
October have been found.


- Marco

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http://www.marcolangbroek.nl
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[meteorite-list] Fragments of impacting asteroid 2008 TC3 recovered

[Marco Langbroek]

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16635-found-pieces-of-space-rock-once-seen-heading-for-earth.html

Fragments of the small asteroid impact (NEA 2008 TC3) over Sudan in October have 
been found.


- Marco

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http://www.marcolangbroek.nl
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