[meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
I'll add the Alby-sur-Cheran eucrite which pierced the roof of a factory in 2002 (http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?code=458) Pierre-Marie Pele www.meteor-center.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Any photos of the 1.7 Kg Mike, dying to see what they look like big. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 9:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
Hello Greg, you are asking for testing information on the Colonia Berduc fall: Well, a good way to prove the authenticity of fresh meteorite material (at least concerning the date of the fall) is the measuring of short-lived radio nuclides. This was done in the case of Colonia Berduc with three specimens (already 3 months after the fall): the results indicate clearly, that the tested material touched the Earth at or around April 6, 2008 +/- one week or two). Can anyone provide information about the direction of the fireball?? These data are of special interest in comparison with other meteorites that fell around this date of the year: Pribram on April 7, 1959 and Neuschwanstein on April 6, 2002. Regards Dieter - Original Message - From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available information) on this fall? Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this? Thanks in advance, Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ensisheim show, Ensisehim meteorite other irons
(Sorry if this comes twice) Hi Michael, I am only sporadically on mail these times (some health problems) and can only reply now. The Ensisehim museum has a new curator who is responsible for the display some other meteorites (than the 53.831 kg King Ensisehim). These (2 irons) were basically gifts. The first iron is obviously a Campo del Cielo (old style), kindly offered almost 8-9 years ago by Oscar Turone (Argentina), when he visited the Regency museum for the first time. The second iron is a gift from a dealer from Morocco. The museum responsible at the time does neither remember the donor's name, nor the iron name. I personally did not see it yet, nor was aware about that gift. When I visit the museum again (soon), I'll inquire and could then perhaps tell you more. NB: If somebody intends to visit the museum any time, just feel free to contact one of us here, so we can make your visit more personalized (and comfortable). -- Hi listees, Regarding Ensisheim 2009 show (10th anniversary), as both Jean-Marie Blosser (Grand-Maître of the Confraternity) and myself are right now being confronted with some health problems, the show flyer is being delayed. We will send you fresh news in about 2 weeks, after a local plenary meeting. For those who inquired about show dates and some specific side-organized events: 1) The show itself will be held on Sat. June 20 and Sun. June 21 (9:30-18:00) (It ends on Sunday just before the Ste Marie show unofficially starts) 2) The dealer's day is scheduled on Fri. 19th. 3) The Friday and Saturday parties are maintained on about the same (slightly improved) basis as in the past (dinner outside, served by specific restaurant(s)). I will send you info on when and how to make party reservations in due time. But yes, reservation (at least for Friday) is duly recommended. I will also try to progressively send personalized replies to all those inquiring about the show since a time. Keep patience, this 10th edition anounces just great andcrowded! Best to all, Zelimir A 00:22 09/03/2009 +0100, Michael Bross a écrit : Hello list members A short message about Ensisheim. Being alone, I took a lot of photos, although it is quite difficult to get good ones with the displays and busy backgrounds. But a nice small museum with interesting artifacts from the potash mining + some very nice archeological pieces, including a rare trepanated skull. There are 2 other Iron meteorites in a display next to the famous one, but with no information about their origin. Do you know them ? They are quite big also. I will call this week to try to get more info, Saturday it was a student who took care of the museum. A bientot Michael Bross __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs,
Re: [meteorite-list] I think I'm able to post on the meteorite list Finally
yes? --- On Mon, 3/9/09, geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com wrote: From: geo...@aol.com geo...@aol.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I think I'm able to post on the meteorite list Finally To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 9:12 PM Okay folks...I haven't been able to post onto the meteorite list for at least three years. I'm on aol and one day I discovered that none of my posts were making it to the list. Several people suggest that I send my posts in plain text, but to the life of me, I haven't been able to figure out how to do that...until now. I accidentally stumbled onto the solution this evening while trying to do something else. For those on aol that may be having the same problem, this is what I did to be able to send messages in plain text. I'm on aol 9.1okay try this: In the Send to: box, type the lists address as usual. That is: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Do nothing else there. Then in the Subject: box, title your message as usual and do nothing else. In the message body area, type your message as usual. When done, highlight the whole message and then RIGHT click. You should get a whole list of things to do. Down near the bottom you should see COMPOSE AS PLAIN TEXT. Click on that and you will suddenly notice the message take on a different type. Then click on your SEND NOW button and that's it. Try it...good luck. george zay **Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agenciesncid=emlcntusyelp0005) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers Orientation
Hi all, Since these topics came up on both the Meteorite List And the IMCA mailing list, I am including both in my response: I have been working on a book on orientation for nearly A year or so (this topic came up on the Meteorite List MUCH more recently than when the IMCA was formed). I have collected hundreds of photos and the permission of The photographers to use them, illustrating various aspects indicative Of orientation and have put in hundreds of hours of work on this text, already. I consider the book to be approximately 80% done but, Have a lower work load this semester and I am now hopeful my book on Orientation will be released this year. I am still currently negotiating with ASU for the use of some photos from the Nininger publication of old on ORIENTATION. As for a Hammers, I have been working on that book for at Least 3 years and am still hopeful it will be released by The Tucson Show in 2010. I coined the term, hammer and will go Into it to some extent in that test. I would hope people would have The good taste to at least wait until the book is published before Involving themselves in serious debate as to what the term means. Michael Blood __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
If I'm reading this right Mike, does that mean a 1.7kg stone was found near Aquilla? If so, would this (main mass?) change the name from West to Aquilla? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
--- On Mon, 3/2/09, Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:31 AM I am going to see if i can come look this weekend ,its a 10 hour drive so i can only look on saturday unless i take monday off. i will bring my magnets lol. I stilll think the main mass fell outside the area everyone is looking in. due to wind conditions the smaller pieces should have impacted in a ne direction away from the main mass. there were 7 to m14 mph gusts down lower with winds up to 90 mph up higher in a ne direction. causing a ne to sw line for the smaller pieces. the larger pieces may be 5 to 15 miles nw of the current strewn field but i need more info about the observed trails to be sure of the direction. have luck looking Steve --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 11:10 AM Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Sent from my iPhone Michael On Mar 2, 2009, at 11:03 AM, Steve Dunklee sdunklee72...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi I wnat to know who not to deal with. I also plan to go search myself when I can get some time off work. I plan to use a powerful n60 magnetic rake instead of trying to find them by site. If you throw 100 1/4 inch washers out in your yard and try to find them by site you will find about ten of them. if you use a rake you get all of them. the n60 magnets wil pull them out of 6 inches of grass. or 3 to 4 inches of soft soil. I would appreciate any of your strewn field info for when i can search and also permissions to search. with the exception of one piece for my personal collection anything i find will be donated to universitys or schools. myb collection nis going to be donated to a university on my death. I just have not decided which one yet have a great day Steve Dunklee __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable to a life threatening shock wave impact). Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred Yards away. Apparently this clod had meteorite Fragments included, as numerous small fragments Were found around the building, though none were Found at that distance away from the building. From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 10, 2009
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Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
I seem to recall that some stones hit some rooftops. Elton --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 3:46 AM I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth
[meteorite-list] Second loud boom rattles windows in NY suburb
List- Maybe we can just get a bucket and hold it out at arm's length (HA!). Makes the first report seem a little less reliable had they not seen the trail. Mike http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wire/newyork/ny-bc-ny--bigboom0310mar10,0,6100808.story Second loud boom rattles windows in NY suburb March 10, 2009 NANUET, N.Y. - There's been another loud boom. This time it rattled windows in parts of Rockland County. Nanuet resident Keith Wallenstein said the mysterious noise woke him up at about 5:15 Monday morning and sounded like someone had flown an F-16 over his house. An earlier loud boom heard in Westchester County early Saturday might have been a meteorite. Police and The Journal News got a flurry of reports from people in Scarsdale, Mount Vernon, Yonkers, Tuckahoe, Eastchester and Bronxville. Weather officials say there was no thunder in the area at the time. Liz Holland of Mount Kisco says she was looking out her window around 12:30 a.m. Saturday. She saw a brilliant yellow object streaking through the sky. An official from the Rockland Astronomy Club says yellow is a typical color for a meteorite. ___ Information from: The Journal News, http://www.thejournalnews.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
I would not think so. There is a hammerstone that bounced Off a roof in west. I said near aquilla not in aquilla. Mike Sent from my iPhone Michael On Mar 10, 2009, at 4:12 AM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: If I'm reading this right Mike, does that mean a 1.7kg stone was found near Aquilla? If so, would this (main mass?) change the name from West to Aquilla? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions
Berduc was headins from east- southeast to west- northwest from Uruguay into Argentina Sent from my iPhone Michael On Mar 10, 2009, at 2:29 AM, Dieter Heinlein dieter-heinl...@t-online.de wrote: Hello Greg, you are asking for testing information on the Colonia Berduc fall: Well, a good way to prove the authenticity of fresh meteorite material (at least concerning the date of the fall) is the measuring of short-lived radio nuclides. This was done in the case of Colonia Berduc with three specimens (already 3 months after the fall): the results indicate clearly, that the tested material touched the Earth at or around April 6, 2008 +/- one week or two). Can anyone provide information about the direction of the fireball?? These data are of special interest in comparison with other meteorites that fell around this date of the year: Pribram on April 7, 1959 and Neuschwanstein on April 6, 2002. Regards Dieter - Original Message - From: star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Berduc information and questions I have been seeking information on the Berduc fall for quite some time but have been unable to find anything about it on the internet and it does not seem to be listed on the Met Bull... Can anyone provide me with testing information (or any available information) on this fall? Is there a reason that its not been published on the met bull yet? There have been several falls that were published within only a few months of the date of the fall... Has the inability to easily legally obtain it played a part in this? Thanks in advance, Greg C. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Totals
I didn't find any. Bought a few, two of which were not counted. Those were 11.5g and 15g. Matt --Original Message-- From: Robert Woolard Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ReplyTo: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] West Totals Sent: Mar 9, 2009 11:48 PM List and Teddy, I just saw Michael Farmer's post to the List from a little earlier this evening. I think I might have been the 1st one to ask (followed shortly by Michael Cottingham) a few days ago if people would email their total numbers and finds. I really want to thank ALL of those who have responded. It has made a difference, because the initial guess was around 2.5-3Kg as a TKW, but now it looks like that has doubled, at least, with the true weight at this point perhaps being even a little more. If the rest of you haven't taken the time to send your totals yet, would you please consider doing so? It really would be nice to get as accurate info as possible for the records! Also a special thanks to Teddy Applebaum for his help in compiling the totals! And by the way, Teddy, please add a 31.7g stone to the totals, found by a friend of mine who is not a member of the List. Sincerely, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
The meteorite penetrated the roof of this house http://www.meteorman.org/Carancas.htm Regards, Tim Heitz - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you
Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Hi Rob, I have a few photos of it but it is on my digital camera and have no way to email them until I return home. I don't know when that will happen yet, but will send when I can. Best regards, Greg Hupe --- Original Message --- From: Rob Wesel[mailto:r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com] Sent: 3/10/2009 3:18:21 AM To : meteorite...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc : Subject : RE: Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond Any photos of the 1.7 Kg Mike, dying to see what they look like big. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com; target=_new http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FW: Re: Updated west totals
I received this email from Steve so I thought I would forward it for him. Don't think the previous fall relates to West... Lesa Lambert and Steve Dunklee found 0.45 grams of west and one .8 gram chondrite from an previous fall. Cheers Steve --- On Sun, 3/8/09, gmh...@htn.net gmh...@htn.net wrote: From: gmh...@htn.net gmh...@htn.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals To: tiappleb...@gmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:45 PM Hi Teddy, Thank you for the West totals. I had actually posted my total finds and combined weight to the List a few days ago. I found 12 stones totaling 268 grams. Best regards, Greg Hupe --- Original Message --- From: teddy applebaum[mailto:tiappleb...@gmail.com] Sent: 3/8/2009 6:28:36 PM To : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc : Subject : RE: [meteorite-list] Updated west totals Hi list A few list members pointed out some totals I missed, and also a few more gave me up to date info on their totals (thanks!) so I included this new information in the revised totals below. If anyone sends me new info I will add it to the totals. Rob Wesel: 9 stones, total: 255 g Ruben Garcia: 15 stones’ total: unknown (12.6g) Patrick Thompson: 15 stones total: unknown Mike Bandli: 6 stones, total: 53.715g Micheal Cottingham: 18 stones, total: 286g Micheal Farmer: 23 stones, total: 531.6 Greg Hupe: at least 1 stone, total: unknown (50g) Eric Wichman: 1 stone, total: 6.7 grams Jim Baxter 5.9g: from mike farmer Robert Woolard: and son 7 stones, total: 407 grams James Phillips: 4 stones, total: 36.3 Geoff Notkin: at least 13 stones, total: unknown (18.8g) Mike Miller: 8 stones totaling: 365g (212g) Del Waterbury: 5 stones totaling: 75.3g (8g, 5,6g, 5.2g, 5.5g, 51g,) Mike Morgan: 1 stone total: 13g Keith and Dana Jenkerson: 4 stones, total: unknown Mexico Doug and Rob Matson, Demi and Sergey: 12 stones, total: 280g+ Totals: 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g + at least 46 other known stones lacking weights + unknown numbers from these hunters: Jim Schade Sonny Clary John Sinclair Steve Arnold Shauna Russel Robert Ward Gary Curtiss Matt Morgan The 98 stones with known weights = 2396.915g, which averages out to 24.46g per stone. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Westchester co, NY fireball - 07 Mar 09
Hi Marc I think if your information is about a possible fall, then we would all like to hear about it. I know there is a growing number of new fireball chasers out there. But if it does turn out to be a meteorite producing event the more info there is for the collectors the better. Just my opinion. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Fries, Marc D marc.d.fr...@jpl.nasa.gov wrote: If anyone is planning on visiting this meteor sighting site, please drop me an email. I do not want to go, but I have some information. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Any photos of the 1.7 kilo stone? in-situ maybe? Eric Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:29:45 -0700 (PDT) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Building Busters and Meteorite Stew
One of my favorite building-busters is Juancheng. The roofs of several homes were pucntured and in one instance a meteorite went right into a pot in which a meal was being prepared. It was reported that this specimen, (like most of the larger specimens), was part of the largesse provided to a local Communist Party officials to curry favor. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond
Hello, probably not, since a farmer plowing a field found it, picked it up. and then called our Farmer! At least that is what I was told. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Mar 10, 2009, at 7:44 AM, Eric Wichman wrote: Any photos of the 1.7 kilo stone? in-situ maybe? Eric Subject: [meteorite-list] West totals Please respond From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 21:29:45 -0700 (PDT) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Please, everyone who has not reported in number of stones and weights, please do this. I am working on an abstract to present to MAPS and need to get this data for a strewnfield map. I have nearly 100 stones mapped and listed. It would really help get this strewnfield correct if I got data from those who have not reported in. Notkin, Thompson, Schwade, etc etc etc. I don't need to know your super-secret honey-hole, but some hard numbers would let those of us working for science to report this correctly. Anyone... Anyone... Anyone working with these guys, please try to get me a stone count and total weight. By the way, Ward, Myself, Shauna, and Greg are all back hunting here, the strewnfield has been stretched out 6 miles further than the last known stone by a 1.7 kilogram individual. It now places the strewnfield into the Aquilla area and beyond. So we now have a ~13 mile long strewnfield. I found one small 9 gram broken stone yesterday but no one I know found anything today. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This is Only a Test
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[meteorite-list] Re : Carancas a hammer?
Hi Jeff, Someone please correct me if I am wrong here - but I recall reading somewhere that fragments of Carancas landed on a building. If this is true, then it's a hammer fall. ??? Regards and clear skies, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammers Orientation (Michael Blood)
Hi Michael, I collect small oriented UNWA stones. Out of several, I have 2 standouts that exhibit classic orientation. One is a bullet and the other is a nosecone. You are welcome to use photos of them if you wish. Contact me offlist if interested. Best regards, MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Websites - http://www.galactic-stone.com and http://www.glassthrower.com .. -- Message: 15 Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 01:39:36 -0700 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] Hammers Orientation To: d...@fallingrocks.com, i...@imcamail.de,Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: c5db7558.1553%mlbl...@cox.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Since these topics came up on both the Meteorite List And the IMCA mailing list, I am including both in my response: I have been working on a book on orientation for nearly A year or so (this topic came up on the Meteorite List MUCH more recently than when the IMCA was formed). I have collected hundreds of photos and the permission of The photographers to use them, illustrating various aspects indicative Of orientation and have put in hundreds of hours of work on this text, already. I consider the book to be approximately 80% done but, Have a lower work load this semester and I am now hopeful my book on Orientation will be released this year. I am still currently negotiating with ASU for the use of some photos from the Nininger publication of old on ORIENTATION. As for a Hammers, I have been working on that book for at Least 3 years and am still hopeful it will be released by The Tucson Show in 2010. I coined the term, hammer and will go Into it to some extent in that test. I would hope people would have The good taste to at least wait until the book is published before Involving themselves in serious debate as to what the term means. Michael Blood __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Michael Farmer wrote: Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Mike: I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my team mates of anything. Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it. As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As such, I will not have the great group of people I was hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list. Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from your own people before complaining about anyone else. It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it would be even better if we could get along while doing it, without pointing fingers. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- More West available.
First, I now have a new website Out of a Blue Sky outofabluesky.com where I'll put up material from my expeditions. Second, I am letting go of 2 more West specimens. 16 and 30g. I earned these after suffering poison oak, and pulling off ticks every day. http://www.outofabluesky.com/index.php?option=com_jportfoliocat=4project=46Itemid=58 -mt IMCA 2760 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Satellite Debris Begins to Reenter Earth's Atmosphere
Space Weather News for March 10, 2009 http://spaceweather.com SATELLITE DEBRIS UPDATE: The first catalogued fragments of shattered satellite Cosmos 2251 are about to reenter Earth's atmosphere. According to US Strategic Command tracking data, reentries will occur on March 12th, 28th and 30th, followed by more in April. Radar cross sections are not available for all of the reentering pieces; they are probably centimeter-class fragments that pose no threat to people on the ground. Visit http://spaceweather.com for more information. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : NWA Material for sale
Dear List, Up for sale different types of NWA material, Olivine diogenite, Carbonaceous chondrites Eucrites Chondritic Monster Good deals for OC If interested, contact me at : alhyane_abdela...@yahoo.com My best Aziz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD : NWA Material for sale
Dear List, Up for sale different types of NWA material, -Olivine diogenite, -Carbonaceous chondrites -Eucrites -Chondritic Monster -Good deals for OC If interested, contact me at : alhyane_abdela...@yahoo.com My best Aziz __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West hunt
Just found a perfect oriented stone about 1 minute ago! Those of us still here are still finding stones so no need to update our totals daily. I have wards and our team data bit again as the totals are growing daily we will wait until we leave again to tally up. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone Michael __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Don't blame me! I just started that table for fun. Like you, I am also astonished at how much people are willing to pay for a meteorite because it hit something. Of course, I am also astonished over how much people are willing to pay for essentially a speck of dust which looks like a dead gnat -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hmm, honestly I never was aware the last decades that this category hammer had any meaning or importance. Of course Peekskill car, was a curiosity like Claxton. But people were buying Barwell, cause it was Barwell and Mbale, cause it was Mbale and it was only a funny side note, that a pea hit the head of a boy and Kunashak...but Kunashak virtually nobody was buying :-) Also in the classical meteorite books you won't find any category: hammers. So I'm astonished about that hype and that collectors suddenly since 2-3 years are paying triple to tenfold prices for the same falls than all the decades before. Walter, Walter, what have you done :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von m...@mhmeteorites.com Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 17:19 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG.
It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied Yes Jeff, you are absolutely correct. A distinction I made a post a few months ago. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 09, 2009 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course, Peekskill may have been more interesting if it had struck an occupied vehicle, a police car, a hearse, or some other exceptional circumstance. But until that happens, a Chevy Malibu will suffice. ;) New Orleans? Very interesting. First, it struck a house, but it also tore a path of destruction through the house, destroying a desk. That makes it worth collecting. But even more interesting is the overlooked fact that New Orleans is the only visitor to New Orleans to visit the area and not come away drunk, drugged, tattooed or sans virginity. ;) Weston? Well, even if Thomas Jefferson had uttered the famous phrase he was misquoted for, the damn Yankee professors didn't lie. Anything that make a founding father look dense is worth collecting. I love Carancas - because it's a tease. I would love to have a fully-crusted, whole individual. But who wouldn't? It's like Tatahouine - you aren't getting any crust and you aren't getting a whole individual, no matter how much money you offer. You can't buy what doesn't exist, so Carancas and Tatahouine are the two teases of the meteorite world. But we love to be teased, so these two falls will always be favorites of mine. Did anyone ever find out what the so-called noxious fumes were that supposedly emanated from the Carancas crater? Murchison? Smelled like rotten eggs, contains a bumper crop of amino acids, and is an interesting carbonaceous type. It also fell on my wife's 8th birthday. So, it's a
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
Michael, Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable to a life threatening shock wave impact). Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred Yards away. Apparently this clod had meteorite Fragments included, as numerous small fragments Were found around the building, though none were Found at that distance away from the building. From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I want it. The more interesting the story behind a given hammer, the more interested I am in acquiring it. Claxton is awesome. Imagine how small a mailbox is. Even when considering there are millions of postal boxes around the world, what are the chances of a meteorite hitting one? To me, that is interesting. Peekskill is another great hammer - it creamed a Chevy Malibu. Of course,
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
Sounds more like the after effects of the meteorite may have killed the bull (illness from chemical mixing of the Earth elements) rather then a direct BULLS EYE hitand that ain't no bull!! Sincerely Meteorite - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au; Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS Michael, Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable to a life threatening shock wave impact). Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred Yards away. Apparently this clod had meteorite Fragments included, as numerous small fragments Were found around the building, though none were Found at that distance away from the building. From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for me to afford at the moment. As for my hammers - I have no conditions on collecting them. Any meteorite or fall that struck something is fair game and I
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
Don, Actually they never did figure out the source of the smell. My crew interviewed the land owner and she too testified that two of her animals had been killed by the impact of the blast. We did not think to photograph dead animals after four days of rotting but we did document on paper. The bull he mentions may have been one of hers. And again, this hit a human maintained spring used to water the animals and that is why it filled so quickly with water. Not hard to imagine animals were at their watering hole. And that aint no bull either. Carl Esparza Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: Sounds more like the after effects of the meteorite may have killed the bull (illness from chemical mixing of the Earth elements) rather then a direct BULLS EYE hitand that ain't no bull!! Sincerely Meteorite - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au; Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS Michael, Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable to a life threatening shock wave impact). Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred Yards away. Apparently this clod had meteorite Fragments included, as numerous small fragments Were found around the building, though none were Found at that distance away from the building. From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
Well, dear aficionados, as it really seems to be a subject: perhaps something is wrong with me but I must confess that I don't understand why the hell to prefer - and pay much more for - a killer, hammer, damager, penetrator, bone-breaker etc., compared with a nice and honest meteorite, simply making a hole in the soil. Just my pacifistic 2 cents, and my very best, Matthias Baermann - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au; Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS Michael, Here is a video link that proves that Carancas killed a bull. You should add this to your web site. How much more proof could you ask for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPY6gY_5gsw Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: In the case of Carancas, there are strong indications That a Llama and a ewe were killed by the shock Wave upon impact. (people reported this, and when Others expressed doubt, scientific evidence of the power Of the shock wave at the distance reported indicated Non-Homo sapiens mammals were definitely succeptable to a life threatening shock wave impact). Best wishes, Michael (PS There was also a large Dirt clod that clobbered a house a couple hundred Yards away. Apparently this clod had meteorite Fragments included, as numerous small fragments Were found around the building, though none were Found at that distance away from the building. From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 18:46:01 +1100 To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. I would tend to agree with this. I'm also curious why Carancas is on the list as a 'hammer'. There was only one mass which hit the ground. I know dirt clods hit buildings etc. but I was unaware of another mass hitting something man-made. Can someone please correct me if I'm wrong here? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 4:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. It seems to me that this marketing term hammer should only be applied to the actual stone(s) that hit a structure, not an entire shower. Thus, Moss stone #5 is a hammer since it went through a roof, but stone #2 is not since it only hit a tree and landed in some grass. jeff m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I think to be considered a hammer the meteorite needs to hit a human-made structure, like a building or car. Seems to me that many have taken the term and bastardized it to the point where it has lost its true meaning and interest (at least to me). Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 17:13:33 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Ehm is Ourique a hammer too? It hit a man made dirt road. And Hosur made a hole in a road too. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Gilmer Gesendet: Montag, 9. März 2009 16:57 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - warning, LONG. Hi Listees! :) I was compiling my latest inventory list, when I noticed that my collection of witnessed falls and hammers is growing to a semi-respectable number - albeit still quite small compared to some of the envious collections other list members have. So I thought I would ask the list - how many witnessed falls and how many hammers do you have in your collection? Right now, I have 25 witnessed falls and 11 hammers : Hammer falls - Allende Carancas Claxton Gao Guenie Holbrook Moss Murchison New Orleans Park Forest Peekskill Weston Other witnessed falls - Bassikounou Chergach Ensisheim Juvinas Norton County Shalka Sikhote Alin Tagish Lake Tamdakht Tatahouine Udei Station West Texas Zag Zagami This is only the beginning of my obsession with certain witnessed falls and hammers. I only collect recent falls that happened after I started collecting in late 2006. So, basically from Bassikounou forward is fair game. This is an arbitrary starting point, but it has meaning for me and gives me a firm boundary line to base my fall collection on. I am missing quite a few recent falls - mainly the hard to acquire ones like Cali, Berduc, Buzzard Coulee and others which are not legally on the market or are too rare/expensive for
[meteorite-list] NEW YORK FIREBALL / Acknowledgement Gratitude
Folks, Before I ramp into an update of the Westchester, New York fireball, special kudos are due list member Marc Fries of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory along with his meteorologist brother. As you may recall, Doppler radar revealed the debris cloud created by the atmospheric break-up of the space shuttle Columbia. The appearance of Doppler radar returns provided Marc and his brother the idea to take a look at such data in the search for meteorites. For years Marc had been waiting to test his hypothesis, and the West, Texas fall provided exactly what he was looking for: clear sky, a radar return from two different radars and recovered stones. (It bears noting that Mike Farmer and Robert Ward both informed me that when they saw the Doppler image of the West debris cloud---which they likened to looking like a hail storm---they couldn't get to West, Texas quickly enough.) NEW YORK FIREBALL This past Friday evening Liz Holland witnessed the descent of a fireball from her Mt. Kisco (northern Westchester County) home---an hour or so North of New York City. After having spoken with Liz at length, it was clear she had seen a bolide---and it wasn't arcing across the sky but appeared to be coming somewhat towards her. Around the same time, sonic phenomena consistent with the sonic boom of a meteoroid breaking the sound barrier were heard throughout eastern Westchester County. Upon news of the same, my wife and I called numerous police stations near and far and failed to make much headway. Another piece to the puzzle was needed. Marc produced a Doppler return taken about the same time as the aforementioned visual and sonic phenomena which revealed a debris cloud over Long Island Sound. He is currently working with his brother gathering and analyzing further data. I've helped put the New York media on alert and hopefully something, somewhere will turn up. It's currently unclear what portion of this event has met a watery end. Fries Brothers, thank you for your assistance. Darryl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos
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[meteorite-list] Re contact info for Marc Fries
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Re: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos
Oh ya baby! What a lucky farmer/s. Cheers, Roman Jirasek - Original Message - From: Michael Johnson mich...@spacerocksinc.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos
Wow, you couldn't have asked for a more beautiful piece! Congratulations! I think I would probably have a heart attack if I stumbled upon that one on the ground. My heart pitter-pattered for even the little ones we found :) Is it 100% complete? Who's the lucky owner? Cheers! Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Johnson Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 3:20 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers
Pieces of Thuathe landed on houses and one in a graveyard (I guess that would make it a deadfall.) Chauncey __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos
Beautiful stone. Congratulations! -Walter - - Original Message - From: Michael Johnson mich...@spacerocksinc.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WEST TEXAS METEORITE HUNT - 1.7 kilo West photos http://www.rocksfromspace.org/WTM.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1994 - Release Date: 03/10/09 19:51:00 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
List, I have been meaning to ask about the blue-silvery markings on some of the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from our finds to several in-the-know-guys, such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly significant statement. Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of copper-related-melt-splash ? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon at the least??? If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I would love to hear from you. I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it. Thanks, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
Robert All, I saw it in several West specimens as well while in Texas, but I've seen it elsewhere, too. For example, here it is on a Murchison specimen: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm. Never have bothered to research the specific cause, but I'd imagine it's something that vanishes rapidly after the first rains hit. By the way, I'm still blue-green with envy over your son's fantastic recovery! All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:03 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings List, I have been meaning to ask about the blue-silvery markings on some of the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from our finds to several in-the-know-guys, such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly significant statement. Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of copper-related-melt-splash ? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon at the least??? If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I would love to hear from you. I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it. Thanks, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West update to AFT page (AD)
All, Updated the AFT page. Apologies for the close consecutive posts, but just added a great specimen: http://www.fallingrocks.com/trade.htm. Best, Dave Gheesling IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW YORK FIREBALL / Acknowledgement Gratitude
To all those folks looking down state from me, good luck! I wish I had the time and money to search. I am about an hour away from there. It won't be easy! Good luck to all! Tom __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS
I recall from reports at the time that some already dead and buried Carcancas Carcasses were excavated/exposed by/near the crater. Something else was mentioned during the fog of thought and fear immediately engulfing the event:a claim was made that animals had been killed by the impact in the event a re-reimbursement claim could be made should this turn out to be an errant military munition or other big pocket liability claim. Subsequently the animal deaths were confirmed to have been several days before.AFAIR So I guess the new moniker for this class could be grave digger. Elton --- On Tue, 3/10/09, cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: From: cdtuc...@cox.net cdtuc...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls and Hammers - CARANCAS To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au, Don Merchant dmerc...@rochester.rr.com, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 5:42 PM Don, Actually they never did figure out the source of the smell. My crew interviewed the land owner and she too testified that two of her animals had been killed by the impact of the blast. We did not think to photograph dead animals after four days of rotting but we did document on paper. The bull he mentions may have been one of hers. And again, this hit a human maintained spring used to water the animals and that is why it filled so quickly with water. Not hard to imagine animals were at their watering hole. And that aint no bull either. Carl Esparza __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] West meteorite markings ?
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Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave
Hello Darryl, is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? No. They would killed by the shock wave. If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a hammer? No. Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas Adams. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Impactika impact...@aol.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave (deep breath) is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? hi anne! ;-) On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote: Hello Dave, and all, I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been discussed on the other List. In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the picture, but it would have to be properly documented, with proof that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a piece of ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they might have been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite. With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars, roofs, and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces of the Park Forest meteorite. That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls. As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads, trees, fields don't count!). But that is my opinion. Any others? Anne Black IMCA - #2356 In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Von: d...@fallingrocks.com [mailto:d...@fallingrocks.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 15:47 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation Hi, Martin, Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks: . . . . . . . . . . . The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers. These newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut -- yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was picked up in a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be the best example, as it's a killer meteorite in its own right. Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in market pricing (yet, anyway), might be better. . . . . . . . . . . . Dave IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave
Walter All, This one's interesting, Walter. I was with Darryl re: the shock wave, for all practical purposes, but what you're saying makes sense. Imagine a high school football fan, perhaps late for a Friday night game in the northeastern US back in October 1992, racing to the game. Suddenly they catch a glimpse of an epic fireball through the windshield. Distracted, they veer from the road and into a telephone pole -- later assuming room temperature at a local hospital. Did the meteorite kill them? Well, no...not directly, anyway. BUT, it should be noted that in these extreme hypothetical examples the unique scenario itself would be merit enough to attract attention, albeit macabre, and make for a story which endures the test of time. Of course, the Peekskill meteor resulted in an undisputed hammer anyway, but hopefully the analogy makes the point that I have to agree with you on this one, Walter...specifically for the purposes of defining a hammer, that is. Good post! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Walter Branch Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 10:12 PM Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave Hello Darryl, is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? No. They would killed by the shock wave. If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a hammer? No. Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas Adams. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Impactika impact...@aol.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave (deep breath) is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? hi anne! ;-) On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote: Hello Dave, and all, I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been discussed on the other List. In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the picture, but it would have to be properly documented, with proof that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a piece of ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they might have been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite. With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars, roofs, and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces of the Park Forest meteorite. That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls. As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads, trees, fields don't count!). But that is my opinion. Any others? Anne Black IMCA - #2356 In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Von: d...@fallingrocks.com [mailto:d...@fallingrocks.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 15:47 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation Hi, Martin, Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks: . . . . . . . . . . . The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers. These newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut -- yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was picked up in a field two miles away. Thuathe might not be the best example, as it's a killer meteorite in its own right. Your example of Gao- Guenie, though by no means reflected in market pricing (yet, anyway), might be better. . . . . . . . . . . . Dave IMCA #5967 www.fallingrocks.com Worried about job security? Check out the 5 safest jobs in a recession. ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/mailman/listinfo/imca __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] FW: NEW YORK FIREBALL / Acknowledgement Gratitude
I¹m flattered; thank you. For those of y¹all who¹ve asked me about the Westchester fall, I am still working through some ambiguity in the data. I will send an image to those who already asked - anyone else can email me off-list and I¹m happy to share the radar image from that meteor. Its location and timing are unfortunate two radars other than the Long Island one collected data right up to the meteor location but didn¹t quite produce a signal. The Long Island radar also just missed the falling debris with its first pass, and only caught the tail end with the second pass ten minutes later. It¹s pretty, but nothing like the West data. Cheers, MDF On 3/10/09 3:07 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Folks, Before I ramp into an update of the Westchester, New York fireball, special kudos are due list member Marc Fries of the Jet Propulsion Laboratory along with his meteorologist brother. As you may recall, Doppler radar revealed the debris cloud created by the atmospheric break-up of the space shuttle Columbia. The appearance of Doppler radar returns provided Marc and his brother the idea to take a look at such data in the search for meteorites. For years Marc had been waiting to test his hypothesis, and the West, Texas fall provided exactly what he was looking for: clear sky, a radar return from two different radars and recovered stones. (It bears noting that Mike Farmer and Robert Ward both informed me that when they saw the Doppler image of the West debris cloud---which they likened to looking like a hail storm---they couldn't get to West, Texas quickly enough.) NEW YORK FIREBALL This past Friday evening Liz Holland witnessed the descent of a fireball from her Mt. Kisco (northern Westchester County) home---an hour or so North of New York City. After having spoken with Liz at length, it was clear she had seen a bolide---and it wasn't arcing across the sky but appeared to be coming somewhat towards her. Around the same time, sonic phenomena consistent with the sonic boom of a meteoroid breaking the sound barrier were heard throughout eastern Westchester County. Upon news of the same, my wife and I called numerous police stations near and far and failed to make much headway. Another piece to the puzzle was needed. Marc produced a Doppler return taken about the same time as the aforementioned visual and sonic phenomena which revealed a debris cloud over Long Island Sound. He is currently working with his brother gathering and analyzing further data. I've helped put the New York media on alert and hopefully something, somewhere will turn up. It's currently unclear what portion of this event has met a watery end. Fries Brothers, thank you for your assistance. Darryl __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- End of Forwarded Message __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
Did anyone make note of what the marked meteorites landed on? In raku pottery, markings like this sometimes result from plunging a red-hot pot into a bed of combustible material,like grass or newspaper. We all know that 99 times out of 100, a meteorite is NOT hot when it touches down, but for that 100th exception... Just my .2g, Tracy Latimer From: d...@fallingrocks.com To: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:14:31 -0400 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings Robert All, I saw it in several West specimens as well while in Texas, but I've seen it elsewhere, too. For example, here it is on a Murchison specimen: http://www.fallingrocks.com/Collections/Murchison.htm. Never have bothered to research the specific cause, but I'd imagine it's something that vanishes rapidly after the first rains hit. By the way, I'm still blue-green with envy over your son's fantastic recovery! All best, Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Robert Woolard Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:03 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings List, I have been meaning to ask about the blue-silvery markings on some of the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from our finds to several in-the-know-guys, such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly significant statement. Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of copper-related-melt-splash ? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon at the least??? If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I would love to hear from you. I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it. Thanks, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=TXT_MSGTX_WL_HM_express_032009#colortheme __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West - Blue-Silvery Markings
Hi Robert and list, I just looked at the post of the image on Michael's site (Thanks!!!). http://www.rocksfromspace.org/West-markings.html SaU 001 has a copper metallic sheen on some of the examples. I wonder if it is the same process at work? I am convinced it is the result of metals internal to the meteorite vaporized and depositing in the crust. Very similar to pottery glazes. Different metals=different colors. This metallic glaze has stood up to hundreds of years in the Oman desert. I think it is in the glass of the crust (so to speak). I have taken some heat on this but I have tried to wear the glaze off by carrying small samples in my pocket for extended periods. It is in the glass that forms the crust and is not part of the weathering process as has been suggested in SaU 001. In fact this metalic finish has been dismissed as just a weathering phenomenon. I am very excited to see a similar looking deposit on a fresh fall. Email me for some cool SaU 001 crust shoots but be advised, I am not as good with macro as micro! Tom Phillips In a message dated 3/10/2009 6:03:32 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com writes: List, I have been meaning to ask about the blue-silvery markings on some of the West specimens we found. I see that McCartney Taylor mentions it on his new web site. I showed the 60g meteorite that it is best represented on from our finds to several in-the-know-guys, such as Mike Farmer and Robert Haag, who both have a seen a LOT more meteorites than I have. Neither of them had ever seen anything like it before. That seems to be a fairly significant statement. Robert tossed around the idea that it MIGHT be related to the copper content in this meteorite, and MIGHT be some kind of copper-related-melt-splash ? ( Not trying to start any wild, fantastic claims here at all. Like I said, this is just some musings out loud. He also said it might be some type of troilite melt-splash, or something else completely. But the point is, wouldn't most of us agree that if NO one (that I've asked) has seen something like this before, it must be fairly uncommon at the least??? If anyone has ever seen anything like this before or knows what it is, I would love to hear from you. I don't have a website, or a photo hosting site, but I would be happy to send a photo that displays the markings directly to anyone who requests it. Thanks, Robert Woolard __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219671244x1201345076/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The H Word
G'Day Everyone I have been constantly following this whole rant. Points have been made and are very interesting. But I'm amazed at the constant referral to something that is basically a subject of creativity and that I refer to it as the word xx. I doubt if it will exist in the journals of scientific research. I for one, hope it self destructs. But I am amazed at all the responses, for and against, still utters those words xx As far as I'm concerned, this is the one and only xx http://s485.photobucket.com/albums/rr215/olivine_01/?action=viewcurrent=hammer.jpg that warrants the true label. My thoughts and only my thoughts. Two cents can go a long way, I only have one. Cheers John IMCA #2125 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The H Word
On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:08 -0700, you wrote: xx. I doubt if it will exist in the journals of scientific research. I for one, hope it self destructs. Myself, the issue of where or how the meteorite lands is only of secondary interest, but for many the social/anthropological aspect is more important, if not the primary interest. So, agree with any importance of hammers or not, the issue appears to be too legit to quit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Geoff Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit. We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly so. As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things. Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who I am reporting data to. I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible. Michael Farmer Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM Michael Farmer wrote: Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Mike: I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my team mates of anything. Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it. As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As such, I will not have the great group of people I was hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list. Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from your own people before complaining about anyone else. It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it would be even better if we could get along while doing it, without pointing fingers. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The H Word
G'Day Darren Now that's funny. MC xx Cheers John IMCA # 2125 - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:24 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The H Word On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:10:08 -0700, you wrote: xx. I doubt if it will exist in the journals of scientific research. I for one, hope it self destructs. Myself, the issue of where or how the meteorite lands is only of secondary interest, but for many the social/anthropological aspect is more important, if not the primary interest. So, agree with any importance of hammers or not, the issue appears to be too legit to quit. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Hi guys I did report my totals and weights and I look forward to sharing coordinate data when all the members of our team agree we have completed searching the coordinate areas. We have folks still going back and forth. The data will be shared, but not at the cost of those with whom I owe the finds to. So, if the MAPS article or Meteorite Magazine article have to be this week, they will be short my data. I doubt anything I have is going to shed much unforeseen light as far as changing the distribution ellipse but I WILL share the data, worry not. If you have to publish right away then anticipate someone else producing the revised edition. It's been three weeks, to publish the known strewnfield at this moment is myopic. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Notkin geok...@notkin.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? Geoff Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit. We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly so. As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things. Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who I am reporting data to. I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible. Michael Farmer Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM Michael Farmer wrote: Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Mike: I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my team mates of anything. Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it. As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As such, I will not have the great group of people I was hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list. Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from your own people before complaining about anyone else. It's excellent that detailed find data is being compiled on this fall. This may be the most accurate strewnfield data collected in the US since Jim Kriegh, Twink Monrad, John Blennert and friends mapped Gold Basin in the 1990s. And it would be even better if we could get along while doing it, without pointing fingers. Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoriteblog.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __
[meteorite-list] thought on the amazing West meteorite fall.
Late at night here in Texas, about my only free moments after cleaning up and doctering the many blisters on my feet! Up late tonight, as it seems that almost one amazing month after our newest resident to Earth arrived, the party may be about to end. A very serious rainfall event is almost here, and as sad as it is that pristine meteorites are about to be soaked, Texas is in extreme drought and needs this rain. Most of the farm fields are planted, waiting for this, and many ponds are dry or nearly so. Everyone here is watching the sky and tonight is likely the night. We have saved hundreds of meteorites for museums, scientific study, and private collectors. With at least 60, more likely 70 meteorite hunters, he have spent thousands of man-hours walking the fields. I myself have walked well over 200 miles in the last month, finding 19 meteorites myself, buying more, and losing a few pounds in the meantime! More than 200 meteorite pieces have been recovered, with a total known weight now approaching ~7.5 kilos or so. All of this done in a mostly friendly way, some friction, but nothing much to speak about. We are all now collaborating on the data, and getting this thing right and in the bulletin ASAP. Some great and not so great media attention has fueled further interest in our field. Just today was at John Enders property (the only pay-to-play game in town where more than ~60 meteorites have been found) and a car pulled up, and a woman got out. She asked us and the landowner if we were hunting meteorites, we all replied yes and she immediately asked the terms. He told her $50.00 per day, and a gram price for whatever you find. Sunrise to sunset are hunting times. She plans to return and hunt with some friends from Dallas! Anyone coming here, contact John and Gary Enders 254 709 9323 and you can search 500 acres of farmland covered in meteorites! I saw 9 pieces pulled off that land in the last 3 days. This is your best chance as many landowners do not want more people around sadly. This fall has been amazing, like Park Forest 6 years ago, it allowed so many people to find their first meteorites, and first fall pieces. And a new meteorite was saved from the dirt as much as possible. I sure hope another one comes down sooner than later. 6 years was too long to wait for a great American gold rush! Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Not asking for the coordinates, just number of stones and weight. You already provided, as have most, thanks for that, much appreciated. By the way Rob, I had the pleasure of hunting all day with Hopper again, as I have many times since day one, and I found a perfect oriented meteorite with Hopper in tow. That is sure one lovable mutt! Michael Farmer --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Rob Wesel r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com wrote: From: Rob Wesel r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Notkin geok...@notkin.net Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:14 PM Hi guys I did report my totals and weights and I look forward to sharing coordinate data when all the members of our team agree we have completed searching the coordinate areas. We have folks still going back and forth. The data will be shared, but not at the cost of those with whom I owe the finds to. So, if the MAPS article or Meteorite Magazine article have to be this week, they will be short my data. I doubt anything I have is going to shed much unforeseen light as far as changing the distribution ellipse but I WILL share the data, worry not. If you have to publish right away then anticipate someone else producing the revised edition. It's been three weeks, to publish the known strewnfield at this moment is myopic. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Notkin geok...@notkin.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? Geoff Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit. We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly so. As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things. Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who I am reporting data to. I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible. Michael Farmer Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM Michael Farmer wrote: Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Mike: I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my team mates of anything. Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it. As mentioned earlier on the List, we took several guys out with us who found their first meteorite on this trip. We also hunted with some of our gracious landowners and showed them how to find meteorites on their own property, and asked them to let us know if they turned up anything in future. As such, I will not have the great group of people I was hunting with portrayed on the List as uncooperative secret searchers. I notice that your team members Robert and Shauna did not have their totals posted on Teddy's list. Maybe you could devote your energy to collecting data from your own people before complaining
Re: [meteorite-list] thought on the amazing West meteorite fall.
Hi Mike and all: This has been an exciting past few months. In fact Meteorite magazine will have six articles on three recent falls, which must be a record! Thanks to all of you who contributed. Larry On Tue, March 10, 2009 9:27 pm, Michael Farmer wrote: Late at night here in Texas, about my only free moments after cleaning up and doctering the many blisters on my feet! Up late tonight, as it seems that almost one amazing month after our newest resident to Earth arrived, the party may be about to end. A very serious rainfall event is almost here, and as sad as it is that pristine meteorites are about to be soaked, Texas is in extreme drought and needs this rain. Most of the farm fields are planted, waiting for this, and many ponds are dry or nearly so. Everyone here is watching the sky and tonight is likely the night. We have saved hundreds of meteorites for museums, scientific study, and private collectors. With at least 60, more likely 70 meteorite hunters, he have spent thousands of man-hours walking the fields. I myself have walked well over 200 miles in the last month, finding 19 meteorites myself, buying more, and losing a few pounds in the meantime! More than 200 meteorite pieces have been recovered, with a total known weight now approaching ~7.5 kilos or so. All of this done in a mostly friendly way, some friction, but nothing much to speak about. We are all now collaborating on the data, and getting this thing right and in the bulletin ASAP. Some great and not so great media attention has fueled further interest in our field. Just today was at John Enders property (the only pay-to-play game in town where more than ~60 meteorites have been found) and a car pulled up, and a woman got out. She asked us and the landowner if we were hunting meteorites, we all replied yes and she immediately asked the terms. He told her $50.00 per day, and a gram price for whatever you find. Sunrise to sunset are hunting times. She plans to return and hunt with some friends from Dallas! Anyone coming here, contact John and Gary Enders 254 709 9323 and you can search 500 acres of farmland covered in meteorites! I saw 9 pieces pulled off that land in the last 3 days. This is your best chance as many landowners do not want more people around sadly. This fall has been amazing, like Park Forest 6 years ago, it allowed so many people to find their first meteorites, and first fall pieces. And a new meteorite was saved from the dirt as much as possible. I sure hope another one comes down sooner than later. 6 years was too long to wait for a great American gold rush! Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ?
Very good, I thought coordinates were the issue. As for Hopper, she got definately earned her keep and I think we were the most fun she's had in years...back to hearding cattle. I DO NOT recommend holding her in your lap though. Smell doesn't wash off. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Notkin geok...@notkin.net; Rob Wesel r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? Not asking for the coordinates, just number of stones and weight. You already provided, as have most, thanks for that, much appreciated. By the way Rob, I had the pleasure of hunting all day with Hopper again, as I have many times since day one, and I found a perfect oriented meteorite with Hopper in tow. That is sure one lovable mutt! Michael Farmer --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Rob Wesel r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com wrote: From: Rob Wesel r...@nakhladogmeteorites.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Notkin geok...@notkin.net Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:14 PM Hi guys I did report my totals and weights and I look forward to sharing coordinate data when all the members of our team agree we have completed searching the coordinate areas. We have folks still going back and forth. The data will be shared, but not at the cost of those with whom I owe the finds to. So, if the MAPS article or Meteorite Magazine article have to be this week, they will be short my data. I doubt anything I have is going to shed much unforeseen light as far as changing the distribution ellipse but I WILL share the data, worry not. If you have to publish right away then anticipate someone else producing the revised edition. It's been three weeks, to publish the known strewnfield at this moment is myopic. Rob Wesel http://www.nakhladogmeteorites.com -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Notkin geok...@notkin.net Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? Geoff Perhaps you are mistaken in you assumptions. I along with Robert Woolard asked for that data at first so that the article in Meteorite Magazine could be written with as much up-to-date information as possible as we were on an extremely tight time limit. We got no response from several people, and merely asked several times. I have all data from the people I was working with, and as I said earlier, there was no need to provide daily additions until we are finished hunting. I saw 5 more stones found today, I found one of them. The people I named were already gone from the field so their totals would be final or nearly so. As far as Teddy goes. I am a little interested how a person who is absolutely unknown, and who has never posted a single post to the list suddenly came to be 48 hours ago and is now the point man for West field work. Using a GMAIL account and appearing out of nowhere and getting all of the West data yet nobody knows who he is makes me wonder a few things. Teddy email me your phone number so we can chat, I would like to know who I am reporting data to. I am working on this map, I have about 60% of the known stones and to add your crew's stones would assist not me, but science. So please let me know the totals if possible or they will not be included. There is no problem here, no need to argue over this. Everyone seems to be extremely successful and almost everyone who came found meteorites. Let's finish it up and get the data assembled in the best way possible. Michael Farmer Still in the field, but it looks like heavy rain starting tonight. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, Notkin geok...@notkin.net wrote: From: Notkin geok...@notkin.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] who were the uncooperative secret searchers ? To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 9:40 AM Michael Farmer wrote: Steve Arnold Notkin Thompson Phillips wesel All are refusing to share a scrap of data Mike Mike: I suggest you get your facts straight before you start accusing my team mates of anything. Rob Wesel, Patrick Thompson, Ruben Garica, Jason Philips, Mike Miller, Steve Arnold, John Sinclair and myself have all already provided our find numbers and weights to Teddy. I'm sure other numbers will be forthcoming when the finders are comfortable with it. As mentioned earlier on the List, we took
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave
Darryl, Anne, Martin, all, To Darryl's point; When we bombed Japan we detonated well above grade. I would think we would all agree that the people were killed by the bomb even though not a direct hit. But even more important to the true hammer issue is that the big bang that caused the crater at Carancas did in fact hit a spring that had built around it, man made levees in order to hold back the water for the animals to drink from. That means by definition the whole enchilada was a hammer and not just the pieces that hit the house because it destroyed a man made levee. I would also like to add that Carancas is the most under appreciated hammer of them all. This fall caused all of the books on impact to need to be re-written. In addition it's cosmochemistry is still considered inexplicable and not even published yet because they cannot figure it out. I am told they had the test equipment sent back to be re calibrated the readings were so odd. But it turned out that the instruments were okay after all and Carancas is just some really strange and historical event. My 2 more cents. Carl Esparza Imca 5829 meteoritemax Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: Hi Walter! With all respect In ANY report---except where there exist the specificity of a coroner or scholarly assessment---bomb victims are bomb victims. There is never differentiation between those killed by blast injury, penetrating wounds, blunt trauma or smoke/fire. In fact the foregoing types of injury are correctly referred to as primary, secondary, tertiary and miscellaneous BLAST INJURIES. Primary blast injury is specifically a rapid increase in air pressure--a shock wave. If the bull was killed by a shock wave created by an impact---it was killed by the impact. And that's no bull ;-) On Mar 10, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Walter Branch wrote: Hello Darryl, is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? No. They would killed by the shock wave. If dirt kicked up by a meteorite hits a person, is said meteorite then a hammer? No. Like all analogies, it eventually breaks down. It's not the fall that kills you, it's the sudden stop at the end - Douglas Adams. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Impactika impact...@aol.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de; Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 6:57 PM Subject: Re: WG: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation from Dave (deep breath) is a bombing victim killed by a bomb-produced shock wave not killed by the bomb? hi anne! ;-) On Mar 10, 2009, at 6:43 PM, Impactika wrote: Hello Dave, and all, I submit another example to you: Carancas, since it has been discussed on the other List. In my personal opinion, only one fragment of the Carancas meteorite would qualify as a hammer: the fragment that hit the house on the picture, but it would have to be properly documented, with proof that this specific fragment, and not another one, or a piece of ejecta, is the actual fragment that damaged this roof. Any other fragment is just that: a fragment of the Carancas meteorite. As for the animals, they might have been hit by a shock wave, not by a fragment of the meteorite. With the same logic, a few of the Park Forest fragments can qualify as hammers, I am talking about the actual fragments that hit cars, roofs, and only those. And again, only with proper verifiable documentation. All other pieces of Park Forest are just that: pieces of the Park Forest meteorite. That still leaves Peekskill and Claxton as hammer meteorites, since they are single stones, and witnessed, documented falls. As for me, as a dealer, I will not use the term hammer on my website unless I have absolute proof and documentation that a certain specimen did hit a human, animal, or something man-made (roads, trees, fields don't count!). But that is my opinion. Any others? Anne Black IMCA - #2356 In a message dated 03/10/09 09:16:39 Mountain Daylight Time, altm...@meteorite-martin.de writes: Von: d...@fallingrocks.com [mailto:d...@fallingrocks.com] Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. März 2009 15:47 An: Martin Altmann Betreff: RE: AW: [IMCA] Hammers Orientation Hi, Martin, Please forward this quick note back to the IMCA list; I'm on a web interface and can't respond to the list from here...thanks: . . . . . . . . . . . The problem, at least in my view, with hammers is the fact that they are most appreciated by the least meteorite-savvy buyers. These newbie collectors are most exposed to paying a ridiculous price because a piece of, say, Thuathe was found in the roof of a hut -- yet the piece they're contemplating purchase around was picked
