[meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite
G'day List, I have a question I'm hoping someone may be able to answer as I don't know if I have this right. My (basic) understanding is that the silicate parts of a silicated iron are actually Winonaite material. When this silicate material is found without iron, then they are classified as a Winonaite but with/in an iron then they become a silicated iron. Is this right or am I way off here? There seem to be an increasing amount of silicated irons being classified as a Winonaite. So when is a silicated iron not a Winonaite and vice-versa? Thanks, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite
Hello Jeff, All, An excellent point - it's hardly a question since your hypotheses were spot-on. All of these paired metal-rich winonaites are actually *the same meteorite* as the silicated iron NWA 2680. http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/meteorite.aspx?id=33173 http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/meteorite.aspx?id=34296 Generally speaking, I believe the difference in classifications lies in the quantity of iron versus silicate material - a hard distinction to make when many silicated irons are heterogeneous, and an ill-defined border anyways (at least one that isn't addressed in any literature I know of). But..one is an iron meteorite with silicate inclusions, and the other is a meteorite composed primarily of silicates, as per the traditional groups. That said, I've been more than a little annoyed with all of these metal-rich winonaites that are clearly paired to 2680. Maybe the labs got/were sent particularly silicate-rich samples, or maybe they're just not accustomed to dealing with iron meteorites -- or maybe some dealers figure that a winonaite can bring in more $$ than a silicated iron. Whatever the case, calling these things metal-rich winonaites when they're really just pieces of an iron (albeit a truly beautiful one) with a large number of fairly typical silicate inclusions, seems wrong to me. The vast majority of samples are 60-70+ percent iron, and that iron is characteristic of iron meteorites. Sounds like a silicated iron to me. I just realized something else -- the classificaiton metal-rich winonaite tells you two things. It's a winonaite, and it's got a lot of metal. The classification IAB with winonaite inclusions tell you significantly more about the meteorite. It tells you the composition of the iron as well as the composition of the silicates. I would personally choose the more informative classification; even if it's just as accurate, it's more useful to boot. Regards, Jason On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au wrote: G'day List, I have a question I'm hoping someone may be able to answer as I don't know if I have this right. My (basic) understanding is that the silicate parts of a silicated iron are actually Winonaite material. When this silicate material is found without iron, then they are classified as a Winonaite but with/in an iron then they become a silicated iron. Is this right or am I way off here? There seem to be an increasing amount of silicated irons being classified as a Winonaite. So when is a silicated iron not a Winonaite and vice-versa? Thanks, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - January 2010
http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/january2010.html I've also done a major update to my Type-3 Pictorial: http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/Type3Pictorial.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Metallic mystery object plunges through roof
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/technology/science/metallic-mystery-object-plunges-through-roof/article734095/ Metallic mystery object plunges through roof FREEHOLD TOWNSHIP, N.J. — Associated Press Published on Wednesday, Jan. 03, 2007 4:48PM EST Last updated on Friday, Apr. 03, 2009 9:58AM EDT .A metal, rock-like object about the size of a golf ball and weighing nearly as much as a can of soup crashed through the roof of a Monmouth County home, and authorities on Wednesday were trying to figure out what it was. Nobody was injured when the oblong object, weighing about 370 grams, crashed into the home Tuesday night. Federal officials sent to the scene said it was not from an aircraft. Police received a call Wednesday morning that the metal object had punched a hole in the roof of a single-family home and damaged tiles on a bathroom floor below. The object was heavier than a usual metal object of that size, said police Lt. Robert Brightman, who added that no radioactivity was detected. Lt. Brightman would not immediately disclose the address or the names of the people who lived at the home, other than to say that a couple and their adult son live there. He said a man who lived at the home found the object at about 9 p.m. Tuesday after returning from work and hearing from his mother that something had crashed through the roof a few hours before. The Federal Aviation Administration, which sent investigators to the town, did not know where the object came from, said spokeswoman Arlene Murray. “It's definitely not an aircraft part,” she said. “I can't speak beyond that as to what it might be.” Approximately 20 to 50 rock-like objects fall every day over the entire planet, said Carlton Pryor, a professor of astronomy at Rutgers University. “It's not all that uncommon to have rocks rain down from heaven,” said Prof. Pryor, who had not seen the object that struck the Monmouth County home. “These are usually rocky or a mixture of rock and metal.” Prof. Pryor said laboratory tests would have to be conducted to determine if the object were a meteorite. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metallic mystery object plunges through roof
What?? The object was heavier than a usual metal object of that size, carl2 _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Hi Shawn and List, Or jettison eBay as the obsolete profit-mongers they are and each seller set up their own ecommerce store and keep all of their own profits. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite
Hello Jeff, Jason, and List, I'd like to direct your attention to a very comprehensive article in MAPS where the authors extensively elaborate on this problem. Best wishes, Bernd --- BENEDIX G.K. et al. (2000) A petrologic study of the IAB iron meteo- rites: Constraints on the formation of the IAB-Winonaite parent body (MAPS 35-6, 2000, pp. 1127-1141, excerpts from the abstract): 1) similarities in mineralogy and mineral and O-isotopic compositions suggest that: IAB iron and winonaite meteorites are from the same parent body 2) the precursor parent body was chondritic, although unlike any known chondrite group 3) metamorphism, partial melting, and incomplete separation of melt from residue produced: - metallic, sulfide-rich partial melts - silicate partial melts - metamorphosed chondritic materials and residues 4) catastrophic impact breakup and reassembly of the debris near peak temperature 5) mixing of materials from various depths into the re-accreted parent body Result: Molten metal from depth was mixed with near-surface silicate rock, resulting in the formation of silicate-rich IAB iron and winonaite meteorites. But: Not all of the metal melt bodies were mixed with silicate materials during this impact and reaccretion event. Consequence: There are also silicate-free IAB iron meteorites. Time frame: Ages of silicate inclusions and winonaites of 4.40-4.54 Ga indicate this entire process occurred early in solar system history. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking credit card Banks jerk people around legally. SCREW EBAY. I think this is a splendid partial solution. Way to go Shawn. Michael On 3/28/10 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metallic mystery object plunges through roof
Not sure why that old 2007 article was 'updated'??? kn __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (Part 2)
Hello again Jeff, Jason, and List! Further, more specific information culled from the Benedix et al. article in MAPS about IAB, IIICD inclusions and winonaites. Cheers, Bernd BENEDIX G.K. et al. (2000) A petrologic study of the IAB iron meteorites: Constraints on the formation of the IAB-Winonaite parent body (MAPS 35-6, 2000, pp. 1127-1141): 1) most IAB and IIICD inclusions are roughly chondritic in mineralogy and composition 2) most IAB and IIICD inclusions have nonchondritic, recrystallized textures, similar to winonaites in O-isotopic and mineral compositions 3) seemingly contradictory presence of relatively primitive silicate inclusions embedded in dense metal that was presumably molten at the time of mixing 4) three models for the formation of these inclusions: - formation by impact-induced large-scale selective melting and mixing in the megaregoliths on a chondritic parent body - formation by parent-body-wide partial melting and fractional crystallization during formation of a S-rich core - inhomogeneous segregation of silicates and metal 5) petrologic, textural, and isotopic evidence suggest formation from heterogeneous chondritic precursor materials by partial melting, brecciation, and metamorphism (Benedix et al., 1998). 6) mineralogies and mineral compositions of silicates overlap between winonaites and silicate inclusions in IAB iron meteorites 7) most textures of the IAB and IIICD chondritic clasts are nearly identical to the textures of winonaites 8) different cosmic-ray exposure ages for winonaites (0.02-0.08 Ga) and IAB iron meteorites (0.4-1.0 Ga) reflect liberation from the parent body in different events. 9) same parent body for IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *and* IIICD iron meteorites? - oxygen-isotopic compositions of silicates from inclusions in IAB and IIICD iron and winonaite meteorites are essentially indistinguishable - inclusions broadly similar in mineralogy to those in IIICD iron meteorites are found among the IAB iron-winonaite meteorites But important differences exist in mineral compositions: - higher Fs contents of the pyroxene compositions of inclusions in IIICD meteorites - plagioclase compositions more albitic* than those in IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *albite = the sodium end-member of the plagioclase series (NaAlSi3O8). anorthite = the calcium end-member of the plagioclase series (CaAl2Si2O8). Benedix et al. state there is a strong link between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites but question such a strong link exists between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites and IIICD iron meteorites. But they also advise caution because these apparent differences might simply be sampling biases so that further recoveries of additional meteorites are necessary to exlude or include the IIICD iron meteorites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do you go to McDonalds and decide that the hamburger is too much and try to figure out a way to cheat them out of their hamburger? Do you steal from Walmart if you think they are charging too much? Stealing from eBay is no different. Why don't all you bottom feeders leave eBay and go off to your second rate auction sites that have been mentioned here before. Leave eBay to the real dealers. Also, could one of you rocket scientists explain to me how a buyer gets hurt with the higher fees if an auction starts at a penny or 99cents? No one is forcing you to bid any higher than you would pay for the piece somewhere else. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:30:32 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking credit card Banks jerk people around legally. SCREW EBAY. I think this is a splendid partial solution. Way to go Shawn. Michael On 3/28/10 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Hi Gary, How long have you been an eBay member? Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: Or set up a facebook account. Friend everyone in sight. Then spam with sales on a daily basis. Coupon here and Coupon there. I can not wait until the coupon code is bottomfeeder. That will make my day. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:09:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: photoph...@yahoo.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and List, Or jettison eBay as the obsolete profit-mongers they are and each seller set up their own ecommerce store and keep all of their own profits. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amount of NWA Finds by Year - The Trend
Hello List: I have heard that the number of NWA finds is decreasing. I was wondering, does anyone have any plots showing this, or documentation? Perhaps some plots of the number of finds by year? I guess I could look at the Bulletin and check, but that would take a lot of time and wanted to check the list first. Thanks Greg S. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
I usually don't sell on ebay, but when I did sell a few items, I put in the actual estimated cost for shipping the item instead of using ebay's calculator. The actual cost was always higher than what their calc came up with and I got a warning that my price was higher than it should have been. This warning advised that I might lose business because if the higher cost. I'm wondering if ebay has already thought of this and any dealer that has excessive shipping costs in every auction would get flagged by ebay? It seems to me this would be pretty easy for them to keep track of and would probably violate the TOS and eventually get the dealer booted. Just curious. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:36 PM Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
On further thought, allow me to clarify, so I am not misconstrued. I do not advocate cheating eBay out of money or stealing for them. I did not bring up that idea and I do not condone it. I joined eBay back in 1999 and the atmosphere was entirely different and more positive then. You never heard a bad thing about eBay from the sellers and you only heard an occasional buyer horror story who got taken by a scammer, but never anything against eBay itself. In the years since then, eBay has slowly changed it's profit model and it's way of doing business. I am not going to argue that eBay can do that - it's their right to legally do whatever they want to do. It's their sandbox, we play in it for a fee. I have never relied on eBay for sales (for meteorites). I don't try to compete with other eBay sellers. I have a stand-alone website and that does what it needs to do without any outside help from eBay. I'm not rolling money and I am not in this for profit. I have a couple of other big dealers tell me this - if you want to make a million dollars in meteorites, start out with five million. I poke fun at eBay and I poke fun at the people who gnash their teeth over the continually increasing fees, but I can honestly care less what eBay does - it ran me off as a seller long ago, when the store system started and eBay turned into an outlet mall for major retailers. I still buy stuff there because eBay has coddled it's buyers to the detriment of it's sellers. If I was an eBay seller with a store and hundreds of listings - I'd seriously consider getting off eBay and using a stand-alone ecommerce website. For Gary - if you don't like my coupon sales, then don't use them. Or better yet, block my email address so you don't even like to look at them. Your disdain for me is obvious (justified or not), so just block me and be done with it. Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Gary, How long have you been an eBay member? Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: Or set up a facebook account. Friend everyone in sight. Then spam with sales on a daily basis. Coupon here and Coupon there. I can not wait until the coupon code is bottomfeeder. That will make my day. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:09:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: photoph...@yahoo.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and List, Or jettison eBay as the obsolete profit-mongers they are and each seller set up their own ecommerce store and keep all of their own profits. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
Hi Richard, hope you have been good. You are right. To circumvent ebay fees by increasing shipping is a violation of ebay rules. Anyone who is a TRS would get it taken. I agree with Mike. Let's take our meteorites to websites and focus on advertising them. That's what I am doing. I will still sell on ebay, but much more limited. People don't really understand that with ebay and paypal fees over 20% of most sales will go to ebay. Sure they need to make money, but to get so much is not right. Just my thoughts. Hope everyones day is good! Greg C. Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 10:27:39 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around... I usually don't sell on ebay, but when I did sell a few items, I put in the actual estimated cost for shipping the item instead of using ebay's calculator. The actual cost was always higher than what their calc came up with and I got a warning that my price was higher than it should have been. This warning advised that I might lose business because if the higher cost. I'm wondering if ebay has already thought of this and any dealer that has excessive shipping costs in every auction would get flagged by ebay? It seems to me this would be pretty easy for them to keep track of and would probably violate the TOS and eventually get the dealer booted. Just curious. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:36 PM Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Silicated Iron vs. Winonaite (Part 2)
Bernd, All, Thank you for this info brend. Glad you are back. This is very interesting. It is yet another case where O-isotopes rule! Even though by definition these Winonaites are the same as silicated irons, the O-Isotopes move them up to a higher status as Winonaites. This was also done on the very unique meteorite Graves Nunatak 06128 and 06129. (GRA 06128 and 9).These were determined to be Brachinites based on their O-isotopes as well. Even though they had nothing else in common with other Brachinites or any other meteorite yet known. http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/Feb09/asteroidalMagmas.html Furthermore this info seems to suggest that since there are winonaites without any silicate material IAB Irons, then there should also be Winonaites devoid of iron? So, Question here . Are there any known Winonaites without the IAB metal phase? In addition this variation in silicate and metal would also seem to significantly change the average Specific gravity of these rocks. So, a specific gravity test might tell us something even prior to cutting and looking inside. More metal would raise the density more silicate would lower the density. -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello again Jeff, Jason, and List! Further, more specific information culled from the Benedix et al. article in MAPS about IAB, IIICD inclusions and winonaites. Cheers, Bernd BENEDIX G.K. et al. (2000) A petrologic study of the IAB iron meteorites: Constraints on the formation of the IAB-Winonaite parent body (MAPS 35-6, 2000, pp. 1127-1141): 1) most IAB and IIICD inclusions are roughly chondritic in mineralogy and composition 2) most IAB and IIICD inclusions have nonchondritic, recrystallized textures, similar to winonaites in O-isotopic and mineral compositions 3) seemingly contradictory presence of relatively primitive silicate inclusions embedded in dense metal that was presumably molten at the time of mixing 4) three models for the formation of these inclusions: - formation by impact-induced large-scale selective melting and mixing in the megaregoliths on a chondritic parent body - formation by parent-body-wide partial melting and fractional crystallization during formation of a S-rich core - inhomogeneous segregation of silicates and metal 5) petrologic, textural, and isotopic evidence suggest formation from heterogeneous chondritic precursor materials by partial melting, brecciation, and metamorphism (Benedix et al., 1998). 6) mineralogies and mineral compositions of silicates overlap between winonaites and silicate inclusions in IAB iron meteorites 7) most textures of the IAB and IIICD chondritic clasts are nearly identical to the textures of winonaites 8) different cosmic-ray exposure ages for winonaites (0.02-0.08 Ga) and IAB iron meteorites (0.4-1.0 Ga) reflect liberation from the parent body in different events. 9) same parent body for IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *and* IIICD iron meteorites? - oxygen-isotopic compositions of silicates from inclusions in IAB and IIICD iron and winonaite meteorites are essentially indistinguishable - inclusions broadly similar in mineralogy to those in IIICD iron meteorites are found among the IAB iron-winonaite meteorites But important differences exist in mineral compositions: - higher Fs contents of the pyroxene compositions of inclusions in IIICD meteorites - plagioclase compositions more albitic* than those in IAB iron-winonaite meteorites *albite = the sodium end-member of the plagioclase series (NaAlSi3O8). anorthite = the calcium end-member of the plagioclase series (CaAl2Si2O8). Benedix et al. state there is a strong link between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites but question such a strong link exists between IAB iron and winonaite meteorites and IIICD iron meteorites. But they also advise caution because these apparent differences might simply be sampling biases so that further recoveries of additional meteorites are necessary to exlude or include the IIICD iron meteorites. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
Hi Michael, Everyone here knows I'm no meteorite dealer, but I do have my own business. My web presence does cost me and as the volume or features on my site goes up, so do my costs. I'm sure ebay's costs to provide the same level of service for a larger and larger base of buyers and sellers is significantly larger than it was 10 years ago. I'd suggest that this alone isn't providing nothing. Something just as significant, if not more so, is location. Like it or not, just as in real estate, the three most important things in online selling is location, location, location. Like it or not, eBay provides a central location, a easily remembered and reputable brand name and a huge base of buyers and sellers. Like them or not, their name and location alone provides value. I'd venture to say that auctioning something at Christie's will bring in more buyers and a higher gavel price than my neighborhood auction house. Even if they both provide the exact level of service and product, I'd expect to pay a higher seller's fees for listing with Christie's because of their name, reputation and location. Wouldn't you? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking credit card Banks jerk people around legally. SCREW EBAY. I think this is a splendid partial solution. Way to go Shawn. Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
Hi Richard, I agree. eBay would catch on to this scheme pretty quick. Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: I usually don't sell on ebay, but when I did sell a few items, I put in the actual estimated cost for shipping the item instead of using ebay's calculator. The actual cost was always higher than what their calc came up with and I got a warning that my price was higher than it should have been. This warning advised that I might lose business because if the higher cost. I'm wondering if ebay has already thought of this and any dealer that has excessive shipping costs in every auction would get flagged by ebay? It seems to me this would be pretty easy for them to keep track of and would probably violate the TOS and eventually get the dealer booted. Just curious. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:36 PM Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
So far no one has mentioned the most obvious part. This idea of small product price/high shipping price is not new. It was pounded into the ground by sellers and it is a trick that became synonymous (in the eBay meteorite circle) with the fake meteorite sellers passing off hematite as China Nantan Iron. You would not get much credibility with your buyers doing this. Tom In a message dated 3/29/2010 11:41:05 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time, meteoritem...@gmail.com writes: Hi Richard, I agree. eBay would catch on to this scheme pretty quick. Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: I usually don't sell on ebay, but when I did sell a few items, I put in the actual estimated cost for shipping the item instead of using ebay's calculator. The actual cost was always higher than what their calc came up with and I got a warning that my price was higher than it should have been. This warning advised that I might lose business because if the higher cost. I'm wondering if ebay has already thought of this and any dealer that has excessive shipping costs in every auction would get flagged by ebay? It seems to me this would be pretty easy for them to keep track of and would probably violate the TOS and eventually get the dealer booted. Just curious. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sun, 3/28/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com Subject: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sunday, March 28, 2010, 10:36 PM Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
That trick has been around since the beginning of eBay. It's now officially against the rules: According to the eBay website. the policy on fee circumvention for shipping is as follows: Unreasonable shipping or handling costs - The seller may add a reasonable shipping and handling fee to the final price of the item, but may not charge excessive shipping and handling fees, excessive required insurance fees, or excessive (or not applicable) taxes in an effort to make the item appear artificially inexpensive, to avoid eBay fees, or for any other purposes. A shipping and handling fee may cover the seller's reasonable costs for mailing, packaging, and handling the item. Shipping and handling fees may not be listed as a percentage of the final sale price. Please see the complete Excessive Shipping and Handling policy for more details. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
I'd venture to say that auctioning something at Christie's will bring in more buyers and a higher gavel price than my neighborhood auction house. I guess there is always garage and yard sales. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Please temporarily take me off the list until I get a new email address. Thanks
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Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Or set up a facebook account. Friend everyone in sight. Then spam with sales on a daily basis. Coupon here and Coupon there. I can not wait until the coupon code is bottomfeeder. That will make my day. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 09:09:42 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: photoph...@yahoo.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and List, Or jettison eBay as the obsolete profit-mongers they are and each seller set up their own ecommerce store and keep all of their own profits. ;) Best regards, MikeG On 3/29/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Catalina Sky Survey
When it comes to speculating on motives, I try to follow the old adage (paraphrased from Goethe) that misunderstandings and neglect create more confusion in this world than trickery and malice. Once the automated survey mistake was published, carelessness undoubtedly made it easy for it to propagate to other publications. Of course, that's no excuse. As an observational astronomer, myself, I would never minimize the credit due to the humans behind the telescope, and I was happy to congratulate Richard in person in Tucson this year for his discovery. That said, it would be a similar mistake to minimize the efforts it took Jenniskens and Muawia Shaddad to organize multiple large expeditions to Almahata Sitta for the systematic search for (and painstakingly documented recovery of) those wonderful little pieces of 2008 TC3. Very best regards, Mark --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net wrote: Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 12:53 AM Thank you, Richard. It's always bothered me when I've seen article's refering to the automated Catalina Sky Survey discovering 2008 TC3, since I knew one of our own was there. Not knowing the details though, I appreciate your more detailed look and applaud your lengthy response. I too, can speculate on why someone would minimize your contribution to this historic event, but I keep being interupted by the persistent image of a dog retreiving a thrown stick. It landed rrriiight.. there! Linton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dawn Journal - March 28, 2010
http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal_03_28_10.asp Dawn Journal Dr. Marc Rayman March 28, 2010 Dear Dawnthorities, Dawn continues patiently forging through the asteroid belt, its permanent residence, as it climbs away from Earth and the Sun. Having thrust with its ion propulsion system for more than 1.5 years, the spacecraft remains healthy and on target for its rendezvous with alien worlds. Our interplanetary adventurer still has a great deal of ion thrusting to complete before it can begin its orbital exploration of Vesta next year. Although it will suspend thrusting for a few weeks this summer to conduct some special activities (to follow along, be sure to renew your subscription to these logs the first time our helpfully persistent telemarketers call), it will devote most of the time until early August 2011 in powered flight, continuously reshaping its orbit around the Sun. In addition to keeping the ship sailing smoothly and on course, Dawn's engineers (who reside and work on distant Earth) are developing the detailed instructions that will guide it into orbit around Vesta and throughout its year of operations there. This process began last month and will continue even as the probe begins executing the first of the commands in May 2011. Mission controllers compile Dawn's instructions by assigning a time to each individual command. Groups of these timed commands are known as a sequence. During the current interplanetary cruise phase of the mission, sequences generally extend for 5 weeks, but some special activities may use sequences as short as a few hours. Usually more than one sequence is executing at a time, but like all the instruments in an orchestra, they are carefully synchronized and coordinated so the overall score accomplishes the composer's artistic intent. Readers may recall that the mission is separated into phases. Following the launch phase was the 80-day checkout phase. The current interplanetary cruise phase, which began on December 17, 2007, is the longest. It ends when the Vesta phase begins. (Other phases may occur simultaneously with those phases, such as the oh man, this is so cool phase, the what clever name are we going to give this phase phase, and the lunch phase.) Because the mission at Vesta is so complex, it is further divided into sub-phases. The Vesta sequences that are being developed now are for the approach phase. Approach begins in early May 2011 and concludes 3 months later when Dawn has maneuvered to the first orbit from which it will conduct intensive science observations, known as survey orbit. Most of the approach phase is dedicated to the final ion thrusting required to slip into orbit around Vesta. All of Dawn's thrusting contributes to rendezvousing with Vesta, but the terminal thrusting will be controlled slightly differently. We will describe the process of using ion propulsion to enter orbit around another solar system body in an upcoming log. For now, however, let's take a look at some of the other activities during the approach phase. While these are being timed in the sequences down to the second, part of the strategy for developing these sequences is to allow the team a means to update the times as the probe closes in on its target. The ion propulsion system provides flexibility in the timing that is different from most missions, and to take advantage of the benefits, the sequences must be correspondingly flexible. All the relative timing within a sequence will be fixed, but the time each sequence is activated can change. So, for example, even though we may change the date the first Vesta approach sequence begins executing by as much as a few days, once that adjustment is made, all the events within the sequence will shift by exactly the same interval. Some small changes other than timing, such as details of the probe's orientation, may be made as well to reflect the latest information available before it is time to transmit the sequences to the spacecraft more than a year from now. The principal activity other than thrusting during approach is the acquisition of images of Vesta with Dawn's main science camera, primarily for navigation. From the distant vantage point of Earth, astronomers can determine Vesta's location with astonishing accuracy, and the Dawn navigation team achieves extraordinary accuracy in establishing the probe's position, but for the craft to enter orbit, still greater accuracy is required. Therefore, Dawn will observe Vesta's location against the background of stars, and the photographs will be analyzed by celestial navigators to pin down the relative location of the ship and the port of call it is approaching. To distinguish this method from the one by which Dawn is usually navigated, making use of its radio signal, this supplementary technique with pictures is generally known as optical navigation. There are 24 optical navigation sessions during the 3-month approach phase. Many of these will be combined
Re: [meteorite-list] Please temporarily take me off the list until I get a new email address. Thanks
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[meteorite-list] It is up to your perception of reality...BUT I Like Ebay.
Hello, Ebay is just fine...it is the portal to the world market place...internet wise. Seriously doubt you can build a website and get the traffic,promotion, and marketing that ebay provides. My ebay store gets 50,000 visitors a month and growing! I did the math a long time ago and it seems to work well for me. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around...
Garage sales, yard sales, flea markets, swap meets, street corner vendors, mall stores, kiosks, auction houses, and home tupperware parties or star parties... I could see setting up a tent along side Main St. USA with a big sign declaring Meteorites For Sale. ;) Unfortunately that probably won't work, and no other venue brings in as much traffic or has the reach Ebay does. Regards, Eric On 3/29/2010 10:59 AM, geo...@aol.com wrote: I'd venture to say that auctioning something at Christie's will bring in more buyers and a higher gavel price than my neighborhood auction house. I guess there is always garage and yard sales. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What was that loud boom in SE Portland?
Anyone heard anything on this... could it be...? Greg S. http://www.kgw.com/home/What-was-that-loud-boom-in-SE-Portland-89391477.html PORTLAND – A loud mystery boom baffled many people in Portland Sunday and authorities were still trying to figure out what it was on Monday. There were numerous reports of a loud explosion at 8:05 p.m. Most of the reports were clustered in Southeast Portland. (See map above showing locations of reports.) Twitter and Facebook users also buzzed about it. Share comments: Describe what you heard and when But no one seemed to know exactly what it was – not even police, natural gas officials or the military. The boom was so powerful it even set off car alarms near the Sellwood Bridge. More: Listen to 9-1-1 calls about big boom KGW even asked experts at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry if it could have been a meteorite – but they said they don’t believe so. As for a possible weather event – KGW Meteorologist Rod Hill said there were no indications that lightening strikes could have hit at that time. So for now, it all remains a mystery. But police said they would continue to investigate. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was that loud boom in SE Portland?
I saw this earlier this morning but haven't had time to follow up on it. It could have been overcast hence the reason no fireball was actually seen. ...KGW even asked experts at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry if it could have been a meteorite – but they said they don’t believe so They are correct... technically... I can say with 100% certainty the loud boom was NOT caused by a meteorite. A meteoroid maybe, but not a meteorite... ;) Regards, Eric On 3/29/2010 12:54 PM, Greg Stanley wrote: Anyone heard anything on this... could it be...? Greg S. http://www.kgw.com/home/What-was-that-loud-boom-in-SE-Portland-89391477.html PORTLAND – A loud mystery boom baffled many people in Portland Sunday and authorities were still trying to figure out what it was on Monday. There were numerous reports of a loud explosion at 8:05 p.m. Most of the reports were clustered in Southeast Portland. (See map above showing locations of reports.) Twitter and Facebook users also buzzed about it. Share comments: Describe what you heard and when But no one seemed to know exactly what it was – not even police, natural gas officials or the military. The boom was so powerful it even set off car alarms near the Sellwood Bridge. More: Listen to 9-1-1 calls about big boom KGW even asked experts at the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry if it could have been a meteorite – but they said they don’t believe so. As for a possible weather event – KGW Meteorologist Rod Hill said there were no indications that lightening strikes could have hit at that time. So for now, it all remains a mystery. But police said they would continue to investigate. _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was that loud boom in SE Portland?
Tea partiers On 3/29/10 12:54 PM, Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: Anyone heard anything on this... could it be...? Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What was that loud boom in SE Portland?
Pipe bomb has been identified as the cause: http://www.kgw.com/home/What-was-that-loud-boom-in-SE-Portland-89391477. html --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 29, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 29, 2010
Thank you for another great RFSPoD Michael! Congratulations to Rob Lenssen for his very beautiful main mass of NWA 6168. By coincidence, some of this brecciated L3 can be seen and also procured at very reasonable prices here: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/NWA6168.html BTW, one of these slices contains the very strange blue colored mineral in a troilite inclusion. Can you guess which one it is? gary On Mar 29, 2010, at 10:36 AM, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_29_2010.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
I am getting tried of reading about how someone might go about screwing with other businesses and request that this topic be defined as off topic and taken off list. Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Zagami Fragment
Hi Listees... I have a 2g Zagami fragment that needs to be sold. It has a very cool pyramid shape consisting of two fragmented sides, a large cut and polished face, and an entire backside of glossy black fusion crust. It actually weighs 2.1 on my 1/10 scale, but I'll sell it at an even 2 grams. Purchased from the King of Zagami, Bob Haag. $950 takes it. ($25 discount if paying by U.S. Mail). Please ask for photos off-list, please. Thanks! Ryan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
I think this is something that is very on topic as regards to ebay fees and such. Many people here buy and or sell meteorites on ebay and the fee increase will effect a certain portion of list members. I personally cant afford to risk the chance of taking losses as my profit margins are thin as it is to list many items at .99 starting price. I am not a large scale dealer like some out there, I sell to help build my collection and to fund meteorite related projects. Even one loss would work against what I sell. Most of my items are fixed price. I will have to raise prices to make up for ebay fees as will many others. I will be offering more deals from my website then on ebay, but my website is not known like ebay. As many have said, ebay is the place to sell. Its just getting tougher for smaller sellers like me to compete with bigger dealers who can afford to do the .99 listings. As far as the idea of shipping fees, I wont be doing it. Hope everyone is doing good. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Mon, 3/29/10, Michael Silveus msilv...@cox.net wrote: From: Michael Silveus msilv...@cox.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 5:36 PM I am getting tried of reading about how someone might go about screwing with other businesses and request that this topic be defined as off topic and taken off list. Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chocolate Hills rock on Mars shows a strange coating that one researcher has called a blueberry sandwich.
Hello Lister, Any one in the mood for a Blueberry sandwich from Mars? Here is an article someone told me about at work. Abstract: NASA's Mars rover Opportunity has found a Martian rock covered in weird material as its odometer hit a major milestone this week, with the long-lived robot completing equivalent to a half–marathon on the Red Planet. Opportunity, now in its seventh year on Mars, found the odd Mars rock during the past six weeks studying investigating a crater called Concepción. Link: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36037050/ns/technology_and_science-space/ Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Publications- Mars
Hello List, Does anyone have any of the original NASA publications dealing with the belief of their being life on Mars? I know there has been written material dealing with this theory for decades. Thanks so much, Jason Phillips Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one of the largest and most highly diversified auction sales organizations in America. Licensed in eight states, we sold everything from coins to casino/hotels. So, let me just say this. There isn't a legitimate auction house in the country...hell in the world!...that will provide the means to advertise, promote and sell your goods for less than EBay. Nor will they provide the wide range of seller and buyer services, protections and payment methods that are a part of package offered by EBay. It is the best deal I ever heard of for both buyers and sellers and that's why they have such tremendous market numbers. Our auction business had a 10% buyer premium AND a 10% seller fee PLUS consignor/sellers were charged for extra advertising position, photos, etc. etc. At an average seller cost of 15%to 20% we still had to beat off sellers with a stick...because we were cheap compared to Sotheby, Bonhams, Phillips and Butterfield whose selling costs can float right up to 40%. Prau that nothing happens to the guys and gals making the cost decisions at EBay. Regards, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net, photoph...@yahoo.com, meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do you go to McDonalds and decide that the hamburger is too much and try to figure out a way to cheat them out of their hamburger? Do you steal from Walmart if you think they are charging too much? Stealing from eBay is no different. Why don't all you bottom feeders leave eBay and go off to your second rate auction sites that have been mentioned here before. Leave eBay to the real dealers. Also, could one of you rocket scientists explain to me how a buyer gets hurt with the higher fees if an auction starts at a penny or 99cents? No one is forcing you to bid any higher than you would pay for the piece somewhere else. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:30:32 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking credit card Banks jerk people around legally. SCREW EBAY. I think this is a splendid partial solution. Way to go Shawn. Michael On 3/28/10 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
FINALLY a voice of reason. I was wondering not that the Count brought up Blood's auction. How does auction fees compare to eBay? I would be they are more and there is a buyers premium which eBay does NOT have. What have you to say about this Michael? Would you like buyers and sellers to try to cheat you. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:25:17 -0400 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: garych...@live.com; mlbl...@cox.net; photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one of the largest and most highly diversified auction sales organizations in America. Licensed in eight states, we sold everything from coins to casino/hotels. So, let me just say this. There isn't a legitimate auction house in the country...hell in the world!...that will provide the means to advertise, promote and sell your goods for less than EBay. Nor will they provide the wide range of seller and buyer services, protections and payment methods that are a part of package offered by EBay. It is the best deal I ever heard of for both buyers and sellers and that's why they have such tremendous market numbers. Our auction business had a 10% buyer premium AND a 10% seller fee PLUS consignor/sellers were charged for extra advertising position, photos, etc. etc. At an average seller cost of 15%to 20% we still had to beat off sellers with a stick...because we were cheap compared to Sotheby, Bonhams, Phillips and Butterfield whose selling costs can float right up to 40%. Prau that nothing happens to the guys and gals making the cost decisions at EBay. Regards, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net, photoph...@yahoo.com, meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do you go to McDonalds and decide that the hamburger is too much and try to figure out a way to cheat them out of their hamburger? Do you steal from Walmart if you think they are charging too much? Stealing from eBay is no different. Why don't all you bottom feeders leave eBay and go off to your second rate auction sites that have been mentioned here before. Leave eBay to the real dealers. Also, could one of you rocket scientists explain to me how a buyer gets hurt with the higher fees if an auction starts at a penny or 99cents? No one is forcing you to bid any higher than you would pay for the piece somewhere else. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:30:32 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking credit card Banks jerk people around legally. SCREW EBAY. I think this is a splendid partial solution. Way to go Shawn. Michael On 3/28/10 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a seller and offering an item that isn't that much I could see the seller charging $15 to $40 for shipping and handling/packaging quote un quote, if they know the item will go for that rate at buy it now or 5 day auction bid, where it would only go for $2 to $5 at closing, which the seller would only be charged for the closing cost and not the shipping and handling cost (that was a long run on sentence). I guess its worth a try on certain items that sell for a fixed rate. Just a thought Shawn
[meteorite-list] GPS ....any good recommendations?
Hello All, After nearly 15 years my early, early Garmin is dead in the water. It was a good one, but a little inaccurate compared to the newer models I have witnessed.. Anyone know of a good all round model in today's world? Any help will be appreciated. Best Wishes and Thanks Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS ....any good recommendations?
Garmin eTrex H - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6015179findingMethod=rr Garmin eTrex Venture HC - http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=6015175findingMethod=rr Magellan also makes some good ones... Regards, Eric On 3/29/2010 6:11 PM, michael cottingham wrote: Hello All, After nearly 15 years my early, early Garmin is dead in the water. It was a good one, but a little inaccurate compared to the newer models I have witnessed.. Anyone know of a good all round model in today's world? Any help will be appreciated. Best Wishes and Thanks Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] GPS ....any good recommendations?
If you are looking for the most versatile unit, check out the Garmin Oregon 550t. The built in camera records the long/lat of the unit when you take a pic. (No need to carry a camera and a gps when hunting). It'll let load said image and it will navigate you back to that exact location. You can add custom maps. You can add a street map and then get turn by turn directions in you vehicle. Many more features too. https://buy.garmin.com/shop/shop.do?cID=145pID=26876#specsTab About $500 -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/29/10, michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: From: michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com Subject: [meteorite-list] GPS any good recommendations? To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, March 29, 2010, 6:11 PM Hello All, After nearly 15 years my early, early Garmin is dead in the water. It was a good one, but a little inaccurate compared to the newer models I have witnessed.. Anyone know of a good all round model in today's world? Any help will be appreciated. Best Wishes and Thanks Michael Cottingham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items
If a were a multibilliondollar maga-giant making TONS of $ from Ebay and continuing to make MEGAMILLIONS and THEN RAISED MY FEES Even though all I were doing was letting my automated system drag in MILLION$ daily, I guess I would call that a form of Monopy - THE most threatening action to free enterprise known. FAR more of a threat than communism ever was. Look, Gary, you are trying to stir up things. Go fly a kite! Michael On 3/29/10 5:38 PM, Gary Chase garych...@live.com wrote: FINALLY a voice of reason. I was wondering not that the Count brought up Blood's auction. How does auction fees compare to eBay? I would be they are more and there is a buyers premium which eBay does NOT have. What have you to say about this Michael? Would you like buyers and sellers to try to cheat you. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 19:25:17 -0400 From: countde...@earthlink.net To: garych...@live.com; mlbl...@cox.net; photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hello fellow Listees, As some of you know who attended Michael Blood's Annual Auction at the show in Tucson, I am pretty familiar with auctions. In fact, my family and I owned and operated one of the largest and most highly diversified auction sales organizations in America. Licensed in eight states, we sold everything from coins to casino/hotels. So, let me just say this. There isn't a legitimate auction house in the country...hell in the world!...that will provide the means to advertise, promote and sell your goods for less than EBay. Nor will they provide the wide range of seller and buyer services, protections and payment methods that are a part of package offered by EBay. It is the best deal I ever heard of for both buyers and sellers and that's why they have such tremendous market numbers. Our auction business had a 10% buyer premium AND a 10% seller fee PLUS consignor/sellers were charged for extra advertising position, photos, etc. etc. At an average seller cost of 15%to 20% we still had to beat off sellers with a stick...because we were cheap compared to Sotheby, Bonhams, Phillips and Butterfield whose selling costs can float right up to 40%. Prau that nothing happens to the guys and gals making the cost decisions at EBay. Regards, Count Deiro -Original Message- From: Gary Chase garych...@live.com Sent: Mar 29, 2010 1:13 PM To: mlbl...@cox.net, photoph...@yahoo.com, meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Good Morning Listees and Bottom Feeders.. Isn't this America? If you want to use a service pay for it. Do you go to McDonalds and decide that the hamburger is too much and try to figure out a way to cheat them out of their hamburger? Do you steal from Walmart if you think they are charging too much? Stealing from eBay is no different. Why don't all you bottom feeders leave eBay and go off to your second rate auction sites that have been mentioned here before. Leave eBay to the real dealers. Also, could one of you rocket scientists explain to me how a buyer gets hurt with the higher fees if an auction starts at a penny or 99cents? No one is forcing you to bid any higher than you would pay for the piece somewhere else. Gary Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2010 08:30:32 -0700 From: mlbl...@cox.net To: photoph...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I thought of an idea on how to get around the price increase on eBay on some items Hi Shawn and all, Actually, I think that would be an excellent response to the greed Of eBay. If everyone in the meteorite community did that, it would get The message across to buyers. Of course, it would have to be a sliding Scale application, as the shipping and handling charges would be Perhaps only $5 above actual shipping cost on some items but could Go up to hundreds on other items. SCREW EBAY -These dudes are making BILLIONS on nothing But their automated system. Not one minute of additional work or Other overhead has been involved in their 8.75% of cost sellers premium. It isn't as though they have had to hire more help or pay higher rent Or deal with increased travel expenses or ONE THING - they just Arbitrarily decided, hay, we got millions of sellers now depending on Us - we can start sucking them dry! and, like the stinking credit card Banks jerk people around legally. SCREW EBAY. I think this is a splendid partial solution. Way to go Shawn. Michael On 3/28/10 10:36 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello List I have seen this done before on eBay with items I have bought. The seller would offer the item at buy it now for $2 and the shipping would be 15. Now if your a
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on DISCOVERY Channel Tonight + UK on Quest
Dear Listees: Those of you in the U.S. who have been wanting to catch Meteorite Men, but do not subscribe to Science Channel may like to know that there is a special screening of the Gold Basin episode -- respectfully dedicated to our late friend Jim Kriegh -- airing in just about thirty minutes on Discovery Channel. That's 1 am Eastern and 10 pm here in Tucson. It's actually my favorite episode. Meteorite Men is also currently airing on Quest Channel 38 in the UK, so hopefully some of my friends from back home will get a chance to catch it. Listings: http://www.questtv.co.uk/TV_Listings Thanks and best wishes from the Old Pueblo (and just back from vacation!) Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
