Re: [meteorite-list] reply - individuals and list
Hi Greg, Don't know your email program, but with mine, if I Hit Reply it goes only to the person who posted. If I hit Reply All then it goes to the person and to the list. Best, Michael On 5/5/10 7:02 PM, star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: The reply button will send to the person who's post you are repling to. The reply all will sent to the list also. Hope that helps some. Greg C Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: hxmendoza hxmend...@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:59:27 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Thanks for the responses folks. I've tried replying to some of you emails directly. I hope you received them as I don't know how it works when the emails are sent thru this list. I work graveyards eight on and six off. Tonite is the first day of my eight day stretch so it's off to work I go. I will try to send pics of my mystery endpiece over the next couple days or so to whomever asks for them, as time permits. I sent them to Gary Fujihara as he said he may post them thru his website for me. Thanks once again Gary. Oh and did I tell you folks that Gary's a swell guy?! LOL!! Ann thank you. And yes I don't believe the dealer in question to be deceitful just very disorganized. I really believe that. Martin, my endpiece matrix does not look like that. On the Meteorite Bulletin listing for the Kunya, the only puc that matches mine is the one posted by a person called Brice D. Hornback, or something like that. It's a little slice in an acrylic box. Gotta go. If work permits I'll keep reading. Nite to you all. Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
It seem dat way ta' me, too, Adum. Michael On 5/5/10 8:36 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: It seem un-American to me. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list?
Hi All, There have recently been several posts with links to photographs posted on facebook. These links never seem to work for me as I am not on facebook and it just asks for you to log in. I do not intend to join face book but enjoy seeing folks pictures. Does anyone have any advice on accessing these or to those posting the pictures so that they are viewable by allI believe there is a way to provide such a link. Sites like photobucket seem a much better way of hosting pictures than facebook perhaps? Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list?
Hey Graham, as far as I can tell, even if the user has the album marked Everyone this only means everyone who has a Facebook account. IOW, if you don't have a FB account, you can't view the images. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 5/5/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list? To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:49 PM Hi All, There have recently been several posts with links to photographs posted on facebook. These links never seem to work for me as I am not on facebook and it just asks for you to log in. I do not intend to join face book but enjoy seeing folks pictures. Does anyone have any advice on accessing these or to those posting the pictures so that they are viewable by allI believe there is a way to provide such a link. Sites like photobucket seem a much better way of hosting pictures than facebook perhaps? Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Hi Henry, list, my page on Kunya-Urgench, updated last weekend: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_kunyaurgench.html (but no slice pic, sorry) ArnaudM The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 17:37:22 -0700 From: hxmend...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Okay so here is my first help request. A couple of weeks ago at the spring Denver gem and mineral show, I bought a supposed NWA classified meteorite from a dealer (whom I will not name as yet). The weather was awful that entire weekend and he hadn't gotten everything out if his van because if it. So the label for that endpiece was misplaced. I went back all three days and he had not found it yet. So we swapped info and he said he would try to find the label for it well as of today no luck. So I'm starting to think that my classified NWA that I paid a little over $1.00 a gram for is inevitably just going to stat an UNWA that I therefore overpaid for. But I called him a little while ago and now he says he found one orphaned label that says Kunya-Urgench so he thinks it might be that but he's not sure. There are very few pics of Kunya slices on the internet. Of the polished faces I was able to find only one looked like mine, on the Met Bulletin. The rest seemed different. Those had alot of white or gray in the matrix, whereas mine has a predominantly orangish/ tan matrix with lots of dark brown flecks interspersed throughout. So I'm doubtful but can't quite rule it out because of the one little pictured slice that does look like mine. So, does anyone have any Kunya-Urgench, or have any experience with it that if I sent you pics of my endpiece you could help me rule out or in this murky ID? Oh and the outside crust looks like what you see on NWA's in color and texture. HELP!! On a good note. I did get a nice Crusted fragment of Trilby Wash from him. Larry Sloan was there and verified that one. Regards, Henry Mendoza Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the too busy. Combine all your e-mail accounts with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tile=multiaccountocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_4 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list?
Hi Richard, All, Although Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men posted a link to his facebook account not long ago and I was able to view all his offers...infact purchased a few. I recently went back in the met list archives and the link still worked? e.g. http://www.facebook.com/pages/SteveArnoldMeteorites/116030671746928?v=wall So it can be done. Cheers, Graham Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Graham, as far as I can tell, even if the user has the album marked Everyone this only means everyone who has a Facebook account. IOW, if you don't have a FB account, you can't view the images. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 5/5/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list? To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:49 PM Hi All, There have recently been several posts with links to photographs posted on facebook. These links never seem to work for me as I am not on facebook and it just asks for you to log in. I do not intend to join face book but enjoy seeing folks pictures. Does anyone have any advice on accessing these or to those posting the pictures so that they are viewable by allI believe there is a way to provide such a link. Sites like photobucket seem a much better way of hosting pictures than facebook perhaps? Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list?
Yes, you are correct. I wonder what setting needs to be changed on my account as I could not view my wall or photos without being logged in. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 5/6/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list? To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 1:10 AM Hi Richard, All, Although Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men posted a link to his facebook account not long ago and I was able to view all his offers...infact purchased a few. I recently went back in the met list archives and the link still worked? e.g. http://www.facebook.com/pages/SteveArnoldMeteorites/116030671746928?v=wall So it can be done. Cheers, Graham Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Hey Graham, as far as I can tell, even if the user has the album marked Everyone this only means everyone who has a Facebook account. IOW, if you don't have a FB account, you can't view the images. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 5/5/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Posting meteorite photographs for the list? To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, May 5, 2010, 11:49 PM Hi All, There have recently been several posts with links to photographs posted on facebook. These links never seem to work for me as I am not on facebook and it just asks for you to log in. I do not intend to join face book but enjoy seeing folks pictures. Does anyone have any advice on accessing these or to those posting the pictures so that they are viewable by allI believe there is a way to provide such a link. Sites like photobucket seem a much better way of hosting pictures than facebook perhaps? Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Making a photo album public on Facebook
I found it. Here's what the Facebook FAQ says: How do I share my albums with people who do not use Facebook? When you are viewing your album, you will see a public link at the b... When you are viewing your album, you will see a public link at the bottom of the page. Sending this link to friends or posting it on a website will allow everyone who clicks on it to view that album. Remember, this link will always work, even if you add photos or change your album privacy settings. So, if you have meteorite photos to share, create an album, load the images and then post the link that is at the bottom of the page when you are viewing the album. I don't have any meteorite photos to share, but I'll post a link to the album of our cats, Sydney and Dharma, as an example. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019213id=1350196047l=d8fe7c5128 That should work. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Making a photo album public on Facebook
Great Richard, Glad that you posted that to the listmore chance of me being able to see those space rocks. Below...Not exactly on topicbut then there is 'Cat Mountain' :-) Nice cat pictures...we have 3 Abyssinians. One rather posh one called Imperial Grand Champion Wavetail Domino picture of him on this page... http://www.raccs.co.uk/Members/ImperialCats.htm Cheers, Graham, UK Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: I found it. Here's what the Facebook FAQ says: How do I share my albums with people who do not use Facebook? When you are viewing your album, you will see a public link at the b... When you are viewing your album, you will see a public link at the bottom of the page. Sending this link to friends or posting it on a website will allow everyone who clicks on it to view that album. Remember, this link will always work, even if you add photos or change your album privacy settings. So, if you have meteorite photos to share, create an album, load the images and then post the link that is at the bottom of the page when you are viewing the album. I don't have any meteorite photos to share, but I'll post a link to the album of our cats, Sydney and Dharma, as an example. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2019213id=1350196047l=d8fe7c5128 That should work. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Gary wrote: Henry Mendoza's specimen, possibly Kunya-Urgench: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/KU.jpg Hi Henry, Gary, Arnaud, and List, There are three NWA meteorites in my collection that Henry's (unclassified / unidentified) specimen reminds me of: 1. Tanezrouft 060 (LL4) 2. NWA 806 (LL4) 3. NWA 984 (LL4) I've sent Henry a pic of my Kunya-Urgench specimen that I got from Michael Cottingham back in 2004 but it looks a bit different from his piece. It has some whitish or ash-gray patches that are missing in the pics Gary has kindly posted for Henry. Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Hi Henry and Gary, in my opinion this specimen is definitely no Kunya-Urgench. In principle Kunya-Urgench, if fresh, is of a light-grey to witish appearance. But Kunya seemed to have to be exposed to humidity on the place of fall, so that it has more or less very often hefty stainings from rust. Kunya was a large mass - the second largest stone meteorites in existence. Scattered around the impact pit were collected hundreds of small and smallest fragments and a few larger ones. Some of the hunters, who collected them, are here also on the list. The small fragmets, usually in the weight range form 1-10 grams, are almost all very oxidized, but nevertheless some show here and there still some fresh corners. The larger ones (like necessary for having such a cut like Henry has)are often somewhat better preserved. The clean ones are withish grey mottled with tiny brown and ochre rust spots, the somewhat more oxidized ones, have larger areas of rust. But all have still parts of the original fresh matrix preserved. Here some examples of various degrees of oxidation of Kunya. http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_kunyaurgench.html http://www.meteoritelabels.com/images/Kunya.jpg http://www.meteorite-martin.de/images/meteor/kunyaurgench.jpg Henry's specimen display a fully oxidized matrix, hence it is an old and weathered chondrite, which certainly doesn't belong to the fall of Kunya-Urgench. I'd recommend to return it to the seller. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Gary Fujihara Gesendet: Donnerstag, 6. Mai 2010 04:07 An: hxmendoza Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench Henry Mendoza's specimen, possibly Kunya-Urgench: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/KU.jpg On May 5, 2010, at 3:59 PM, hxmendoza wrote: Thanks for the responses folks. I've tried replying to some of you emails directly. I hope you received them as I don't know how it works when the emails are sent thru this list. I work graveyards eight on and six off. Tonite is the first day of my eight day stretch so it's off to work I go. I will try to send pics of my mystery endpiece over the next couple days or so to whomever asks for them, as time permits. I sent them to Gary Fujihara as he said he may post them thru his website for me. Thanks once again Gary. Oh and did I tell you folks that Gary's a swell guy?! LOL!! Ann thank you. And yes I don't believe the dealer in question to be deceitful just very disorganized. I really believe that. Martin, my endpiece matrix does not look like that. On the Meteorite Bulletin listing for the Kunya, the only puc that matches mine is the one posted by a person called Brice D. Hornback, or something like that. It's a little slice in an acrylic box. Gotta go. If work permits I'll keep reading. Nite to you all. Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanna see a quadrillion stars?
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/05/05/a-thousand-trillion-suns/#more-15068 On topic because there are several asteroid streaks in the photo. :-) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 6, 2010
Top stuff Sean...top stuff! And thanks for another outreach post, along with all of your other great work, Michael! Dave www.fallingrocks.com -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Johnson Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 9:37 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 6, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/May_6_2010.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealing with the back contamination problem
Hi Rob - Xeno biology They call it astrobiology. If life ever began on Mars, I believe that it will still be there. The climate cannot have changed quickly enough to extinguish microbial life and it should thrive there not just cling on to existence. Given the radiation environment, perhaps below the surface, near the frozen clathrates (water). If you think about it, perhaps such organisms would the remnant magnetic field to navigate, as you point out... I accept that the magnetite found in martian fossils could be a local adaptation of martian bacteria to localised magnetic anomalies and that these could coincide with methane emissions discovered recently. What I object to is the constant use of these principles (though I accept them, I do not believe them) to suggest that we cannot send a manned mission to Mars. The very idea that a martian microbe could be pathogenic when it would be clearly adapted to a cold dry environment is absurd. No, not really. Adapted to a hostile environment, it could thrive in a more favorable one. No planetary protection officer is going to sign off until there is a firm answer. I would bet my life on Mars being sterile. The consequences are too high for bets. We simply don't know, and long range rovers are the only way to clear this hurdle to manned exploration. Even if I turned out to be wrong, I'd go double or quits on any Martian vector being unable to attack a Terran organism kept in an environment akin to it's home (eg humans at room temp and pressure) It doesn't have to be us, but our environment. I covered this for years. The old Soviet plan for Marse Piat with the TNK in Martian orbit was to sterilize samples from the surface and then look for their remains. That's in the real world, not in Zubrin's rationalizations. Rob, I think we can both agree with Dr. McKay's comments on the need for study of martian meteorites and their scientific value. Rob Mc E.P. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
I'm enjoying the information you fine collectors are putting on here as I learn something new everyday. I thought I'd toss my two cents in there as an f.y.i. An acquaintance who has a mining claim on BLM is not able to mine the claim now that the entire area in California has been practically sealed off and the local sheriffs and BLM personnel won't allow anyone onto it. There were first concerns of people dumping their old rehabbing projects from homes being rehabbed (Imagine that, someone dumping on BLM land) and the dangers of asbestos. Then, environmental groups, which I generally always support were questioning the safety of the water table and the native salamanders and various native plant species. The bottom line is that the BLM decided with all this going on that the easiest way was to close it down entirely, no more dumping of possible asbestos materials and no danger to the native flora and fauna. My guess is that similar situations will be occurring throughout the West, if they have not already been put into place or are in the works. Have a great day! Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina
Dear List, Hot off of the wire: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/argentina-large-fireball-6may2010-just.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list
Henry, Welcome to the list. There are a large group of great people on here. Have fun and learn, just like I'm still learning. Enjoy! Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Hello List, Whatever your opinion is on this subject, I'm sure we can all agree on this one thing - and that one thing was well-stated by McKay himself and was quoted in the last paragraph of that recent article. Here it is: - Attached Text --- In a plenary session, in which Squyres solicited the group's views on how the field should move forward, McKay stood up to say that examining possible Martian microfossils should be a much higher priority. He said that the biomorphs now being found could answer some of the basic questions about life on Mars and that it could be done at a much lower cost than the multibillion-dollar alternative plan -- sending a rover to Mars to pick up some rock samples and bringing them back to Earth. These meteorites are samples from Mars, he said, and need to be treated as the valuable resource they are. --- These are my sentiments, as well. Bob V. --- Attached Message [meteorite-list] NASA Team Cites New Evidence That Meteorites From Mars Contain Ancient Fossils Ron Baalke baalke at zagami.jpl.nasa.gov Wed May 5 18:53:16 EDT 2010 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043002000.html NASA team cites new evidence that meteorites from Mars contain ancient fossils By Marc Kaufman Washington Post May 4, 2010 LEAGUE CITY, TEX. -- NASA's Mars Meteorite Research Team reopened a 14-year-old controversy on extraterrestrial life last week, reaffirming and offering support for its widely challenged assertion that a 4-billion-year-old meteorite that landed thousands of years ago on Antarctica shows evidence of microscopic life on Mars. In addition to presenting research that they said disproved some of their critics, the scientists reported that additional Martian meteorites appear to house distinct and identifiable microbial fossils that point even more strongly to the existence of life. We feel more confident than ever that Mars probably once was, and maybe still is, home to life, team leader David McKay said at a NASA-sponsored conference on astrobiology. The researchers' presentations were not met with any of the excited frenzy that greeted the original 1996 announcement about the meteorite -- which led to a televised statement by President Bill Clinton in which he announced a space summit, the formation of a commission to examine its implications and the birth of a NASA-funded astrobiology program. Fourteen years of relentless criticism have turned many scientists against the McKay results, and the Mars meteorite discovery has remained an unresolved and somewhat awkward issue. This has continued even though the team's central finding -- that Mars once had living creatures -- has gained broad acceptance among the biologists, chemists, geologists, astronomers and other scientists who make up the astrobiology community. Speaking at a four-day conference near NASA's Johnson Space Center, McKay's team didn't claim it had definitive proof that the meteorites they are studying -- which can be identified as Martian because the gases inside them match the Martian atmosphere -- contain the remains of living organisms. Rather, the researchers described their re-energized confidence as emerging from a process of nitty-gritty science, based on inference, simulated testing and a kind of interplanetary forensics. McKay cited years of work by team members Kathie Thomas-Keprta and Simon Clemett that he said rebuts a central critique of the meteorite's significance. He also pointed to the presence of what appear to be fossilized microbes in other Martian meteorites, as well as the steady flow of discoveries by others pointing to a Mars that at one time could have supported life -- wet, warmer and enveloped in a potentially protective atmosphere and a magnetic field. Rebutting the critics The Thomas-Keprta work, published late last year in the journal Geochemica, centers on the origin of iron-based crystals called magnetites in the original Mars meteorite, called ALH84001. Magnetites on Earth are sometimes created by bacteria that respond to the planet's magnetic field; the McKay team argued that some of the Martian magnetites were of this biologically created type. Critics had said that the magnetites could have just as easily existed without bacteria or biology -- that they sometimes form as a result of the shock and searing heat that could come, for instance, from an asteroid strike. But in the recent paper, Thomas-Keprta, an expert in the use of electron beam technology to look inside rocks, reported that the purity of the magnetites made that explanation impossible. Reflecting both the contentiousness and drama of the debate, Thomas-Keprta finished her talk by referring to a recent article in a science journal that said the astrobiology community had mostly abandoned the biological explanations for the makeup of ALH84001. Her
[meteorite-list] AD: Primitive chondrite
Hello List Members, i have 2100g primitive chondrite for sale, the best of the best price ever. contact me for pics price. My best Aziz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
Dear List, Posted are 6/6 videos on the topic: posted on YouTube by CarnegieInstitution —(418 views) 2009年06月19日 — Adrienne Kish is an astrobiologist with an interest in the microbiology and molecular biology of extremophiles exposed to the types of environmental conditions found on planetary bodies such as Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. life in water inside salt crystals antibiotic resistant bacteria what is a lifeform depending upon and thriving not just surviving in extremes http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/ets-are-already-here-7may2010.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Discussions About Meteorite Collecting on BLM Land
Given the recent discussion about it, I did a Google Search for discussions, outside of the meteorite list. I should note, that the links, which posted below, are what I found, and in no way represent my position on this topic. In plain English, if a person disagrees or dislikes what is posted on a web page, they should either complain to, email, or argue with the specific author of a post / web page and not me. 1. Metal Detecting/Collecting Meteorites new law American Gold Prospectors and Metal Detecting Gold Prospecting Forum Gold Prospecting Forum http://www.arizonagoldprospectors.com/invision/index.php?/topic/168160-metal-detectingcollecting-meteorites-new-law/ 2. Astromart™ Forums – “Meteorite Hunting Association?” and “Glorieta strewn field in New Mexico”. Discussions on the Astromart web page. A person needs to be registered and logged into in order to view. http://www.astromart.com/Default.asp? 3. Az. Meteorites belong to Goverment!! Treasure Net http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=6d2edf188fca4bc84f1ca371fb2041cftopic=305851.0;wap and “Do you really own Meteorites found on Public Land? Not if the G-Man wants it.” http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php?topic=67089.0;wap 4. New law Meteorite Hunting is illegal, Nuggethunting Forums Nuggethunting.com General Prospecting Forums Gold Nugget Hunting Prospecting Forum http://www.nuggethunting.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7019 5. Gold Basin and General meteorite Ownership info Nugget Shooter Forums, Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Forum, A person needs to be registered and logged to access thread. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11014 6. New Law Meteorites hunting/collecting illegal Arizona Outback's Prospecting Forum Arizona Outback's Main Forum AZO's: Gold Prospecting Forum http://arizonaoutback.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8460 7. Legalities and common courtisies, Nugget Shooter Forums, Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Forum. A person needs to be registered and logged to access thread. http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=15894mode=linear 8. Anyone hunt meteorites for fun or money? (hunting, metal detecting, treasure hunting), City-Data Forum General Forums Hobbies and Recreation http://www.city-data.com/forum/hobbies-recreation/513725-anyone-hunt-meteorites-fun-money.html A couple of interesting PDF files are: 1. Mining Claim Procedures for Nevada Prospectors and Miners by Nevada Bureau of Mines and Geology http://www.nbmg.unr.edu/dox/sp6.pdf Meteorites: not locatable and the collection of large or otherwise scientifically interesting specimens comes under the Antiquities Act (16 USC 432; People of the State of California ex rel. Younger v. Mead, 618 F.2d 618 [1980]). 2. Archaeological Resources Protection Act of 1979 http://www.nps.gov/history/local-law/FHPL_ArchRsrcsProt.pdf Finally, I noted that the meteorite mailing list posts are getting reposted automatically to other web pages. One of them is at: http://www.mentby.com/Group/meteorite-list/ and another is at: http://www.opensubscriber.com/messages/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/topic.html Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with Kunya-Urgench
Thanks to all who have contributed in helping to rule out Kunya- Urgench. I definately agree that it is not that meteorite. Bernd suggested a NWA 806 and NWA 984. They were similar. Thank you Bernd. I had gone thru the Bulletin listings and the pics it posts and came up with thirteen that resemble it. But I had to stop at NWA 2707. As I said before, the dealer first said it was an NWA. He also said it was in the low numbers. I just talked to him on the phone again, and he is going thru all his labels now looking for any that do not have any meteorites with it to account for. (I know...I was rolling my eyes too). He says he feels pretty sure it's a number less than 1000. So the search continues. I've pretty much decided that it's futile. I only paid $15 dollars for it and I just weighed it and it is 17.0 grams. I didn't pay that much for it and it is an attractive matrix. That was what caught my eye about it in the first place. So I'm not going to try to return it. I just like it too much. So unless, by some miracle, the dealer actually finds the correct label, I will just label the sucker as an unclassified NWA, and use it as a learning experience. I'll still enjoy looking at it on my collection shelf. And it'll always be there to remind me... The best part of it all though was watching many of you go into action! Sleuth's abound!! So, though quite frustrating for me, and I'm sure for some of you too, be proud in the fact that the Met-List did one of the things it was meant to do: sharing helpful information with a neieve (sp?) newbie out. Give yourselves a pat on the back. You made it fun! Regards, Henry Mendoza Aurora, CO Sent from my iPod __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Scale Cubes made of tungsten Carbide (Ebay)
Folks, I am posting this on behalf of Rex Scates (rexsca...@sbcglobal.net), who is unable to post to the list for undetermined reasons: * I make Tungsten Carbide jewelry and after attempting to get scale cubes from other vendors I decided to have them made myself. (at lower prices than anyone by far) From now on I will be selling scale cubes on Ebay and Neweggmall. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110528619279 take care Rex Scates 8th grade science teacher. * Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Discussions About Meteorite Collecting on BLM Land
Thanks Paul, I will have to read it more carefully when I return from the field on Monday. Apparently, there is not much case law judging from the lack of meteorite references, only two in California. It looks like none of the two cases made it to supreme court and basically the finders just gave up when confronted or the judgment was reversed if I read the excel sheet in regards to Younger v. Meade correctly. In any case, any meteorite laws will serve to undermine searching or reporting scientifically valuable finds. My guess is that the first North American Lunar will be found on private property or in a long-forgotten rock collection regardless of where it was found, especially if it was found in Oregon or Washington state. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina
From what I can translate the Secretary of the Astronomy Society of Argentina said that the meteor was ..the size of a fist traveling from West to East at an altitude of 100 kilometers... It was visible over several hundred square miles. This area has a lot of nice flat accessible farm land and beaucoup people, so if it were larger and produced any meteorites we will hear about it. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 12:04 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Global Meteor Observing Forum meteor...@meteorobs.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina Dear List, Hot off of the wire: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/argentina-large-fireball-6may2010-just.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: Re: New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Everett, All due respect but this was exactly my point. ALH84001 does NOT match Martian Oxygen isotopes . The ones within ALH84001 only match a theoretical but different Martian atmosphere. Only the much younger SNC's match what we know to be Mars Ratios. Houston we had a problem . No problem just say it matches Mar's older atmosphere. Ya, that'll work. NOT! Sorry but it still looks like a duck to me. How could we possibly know for a fact that Mars once had a different atmosphere that ALH84001 matches? . Sounds like to tail wagging the dog to me. see link. Gas trapped in the meteorite's minerals does not match the ratio of gases of Mar's modern thin atmosphere. Younger meteorites do match. Dr. Ben Weiss. http://www.mail-archive.com/meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com/msg12675.html So , again. ALH84001 may or may not be from Mars without a real stretch. ? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax ekgm...@aol.com wrote: I would like to offer additional information about why we know ALH84001 is from Mars. In additional to the oxygen isotopes (which the scientific community now recognizes as the standard to recognized various extraterrestrial materials), the trapped noble gases match those previously identified to be from Mars (Bogard and Garrison, LPSC) in other SNC meteorites and the atmospheric gases measured by Viking's mass spectrometers in 1976 and 1977. Selected trace element abundances and ratios also match those recognized to be from Martian materials. The original diogenite classification of ALH84001 was based on a very limited chemical analysis and a single thin section which was not representative of the sample. Everett Gibson -Original Message- From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, 5 May 2010 17:32 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite Phil, I have no arguments against your points here but, I do have a few questions. With all due respect and hope that I am not too far off base here. Based on thousands of photos of Mars it seems to be a lot like Earth less the water and growies. Although there are a lot of places here that do look exactly like Mars. Isn't it possible for igneous rocks to become metamorphosed into rocks that might be from past oceans on Mars? One of our probes definitely confirmed the presents of Glauconite and Albite on Mars. these are also found in Earths oceans. So, I tend to believe a lot of what our scientists say. Even without extraordinary proof. To me there are theories being postured that are far more in need of proof than the fact that Mar's may have life. Such as. . The Moon was created by a giant collision with earth? What? The Moon is nothing like Earth and what about all of the other planet's Moons? Did Saturn and Jupiter get hit as well? Wait! How would that work? Aren't they Gaseous? What would it have hit? But the most Crazy theory is that ALH84001 is even from Mars at all. It does not match any of the other SNC's in either Mineralogy or Isotopes. Yes, it has some like minerals but that should not come as a surprise. And Yes, they say if the O- isotopes match, that is diagnostic of origin. Problem is that ALH84001's O-isotopes does not match the others. So, how could it have the same origin? Please explain that one? It was first classified as a diogenite because it is very much like a diogenite (if it looks like a duck) . But for the some reason it suddenly became a new Martian meteorite. It may well be from Mars but, if the isotopes don't match the others then how could it be? Usually Isotopes rule. Don't they? I am asking because I would like to know not to disrespect anybody here. Seems to me it may be from a different planet? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Melanie: I think they're just recycling their old claims to try and get more taxpayer funding for their project. I'm still waiting to hear their new evidence. It's the same as their old evidence, which is weak. McKay and his crew remind me of Michael Mann and his CRU with their AGW agenda. (Incidently, NASA is involved in Climategate with their questionable Goddard Institute for Space Studies data.) These people are seriously looking for microbial fossils in igneous rock? Has a fossil of any kind ever been found in an igneous rock? Are life forms ever preserved in magma, granite or obsidian? This is laughable at the least. So they found some magnetite crystals. They say 75% were naturally formed by a shock mechanism, while 25% were
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina
Quick reminder: As of January 1, 2008, No meteorite, new fall, old fall, newly found,...etc, may be exported from Argentina. Just ask Eduardo for details. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 5/6/2010 1:28:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, countde...@earthlink.net writes: From what I can translate the Secretary of the Astronomy Society of Argentina said that the meteor was ..the size of a fist traveling from West to East at an altitude of 100 kilometers... It was visible over several hundred square miles. This area has a lot of nice flat accessible farm land and beaucoup people, so if it were larger and produced any meteorites we will hear about it. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 12:04 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Global Meteor Observing Forum meteor...@meteorobs.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina Dear List, Hot off of the wire: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/argentina-large-fireball- 6may2010-just.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mile High Meteorites Colln. On Display
As Henry mentioned yesterday, the Colorado School of Mines in Golden, CO has a magnificent permanent meteorite display. Also, the curator of the CSM mineral museum asked me to select a few irons and pallasites from my collection to put on special exhibit until September. I encourage those interested to stop by the museum and have a look. This is the largest display of meteorites west of the Mississippi on public display (except for the Univ of NM). Thanks Henry for posting some photos! Matt Morgan Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WI Meteorite Name?
Hello All, Is there any word yet as to what the Wisconsin meteorite will be named? I guess I will have to photograph all of the local town signs to make sure I get the eventual one. From the WI strewnfield, Greg Hupe __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina
Hi Actually the law refers to NEW finds and falls, so any meteorite find or found before December 2007 can be exported (with a few exceptions like Campo del Cielo as there is a provincial law that protect Chaco meteorites). About the new one, I was in contact with people from San Juan. It was seen aproaching earth with a Southeast direction near the Sierra de Pie de Palo, but no sound was hear nearby. In case of a confirmed fall in this case, it will be a new fall and so no export will be alowed right now (although I'm still working to try to change this). best regards Eduardo -Original Message- From: impact...@aol.com To: countde...@earthlink.net, drtan...@yahoo.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, meteor...@meteorobs.org Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:39:25 EDT Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina Quick reminder: As of January 1, 2008, No meteorite, new fall, old fall, newly found,...etc, may be exported from Argentina. Just ask Eduardo for details. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 5/6/2010 1:28:45 PM Mountain Daylight Time, countde...@earthlink.net writes: From what I can translate the Secretary of the Astronomy Society of Argentina said that the meteor was ..the size of a fist traveling from West to East at an altitude of 100 kilometers... It was visible over several hundred square miles. This area has a lot of nice flat accessible farm land and beaucoup people, so if it were larger and produced any meteorites we will hear about it. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 12:04 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Global Meteor Observing Forum meteor...@meteorobs.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina Dear List, Hot off of the wire: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/argentina-large-fire ball- 6may2010-just.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test ... please ignore
Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test ... please ignore
Background info: I sent this test mail because our son installed a new FritzBox today that makes it possible to even receive a fax that is automatically converted to an email format. I can see my test post in the archives (and other members' posts) but it looks like I don't receive any emails at the moment. Hmm, my son will have to see into this tomorrow. Best wishes, Bernd To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: o...@paulinet.de __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
Dirk and List, What strikes me as a layman after listening to Kirsh on extremophiles (thank you for the link, Dirk) is that she and her associates in the field of astrobiology, by their studies of the molecular processes in these life forms, are admitting to that life survives extreme environments. These scientists run all over the earth finding biomorphs in salt mines and lakes and the deep, all the while wishing they had samples from other planets and moons, yet they almost studiously avoid the examination of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Is this a condition of funding? Or a turf battle that prevents an exchange between the disciplines? I'm in the McKay camp up to my eyeballs. Especially after the recent NASA paper on the findings of biomorphs beautifully exposed in Nakhla. not to mention AH840001. I kept waiting through her lecture to hear the word meteorite. Nada. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 1:08 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dear List, Posted are 6/6 videos on the topic: posted on YouTube by CarnegieInstitution —(418 views) 2009年06月19日 — Adrienne Kish is an astrobiologist with an interest in the microbiology and molecular biology of extremophiles exposed to the types of environmental conditions found on planetary bodies such as Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. life in water inside salt crystals antibiotic resistant bacteria what is a lifeform depending upon and thriving not just surviving in extremes http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/ets-are-already-here-7may2010.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 540 WANTED
Hi All, Does anyone have any NWA 540 with which they would be willing to part? ($ or trade) It is to make a thin section - so, ideally would be like 20 X 35mm, but any size at all would be better than nothing. RSVP off list, please. Thanks, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TAMDAKHT fragments and -5%, -10% shipping free !!
Hello List I have 20 fragments of Tamdakht, fall from 2008, at very low price. And there will be to the end of sunday ... 5% discount on all 200$+ purchases 10% discount on all 400+ purchases and all purchases get shipping free. http://www.polandmet.com/ -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Large Fireball observed on 6MAY2010 in Argentina
This event was possibly observed from Cerro Pachon in Chile as well, though only as a bright flash (1-2 seconds) illuminating an overcast sky. It was reported as lightning by the Gemini Observatory night crew as they left, shortly after 5am local time (corresponding to 6am in Argentina). As far as I know there was no other lightning reported during the night, though last night was mostly closed-dome engineering at Gemini. Cerro Pachon lies approximately 300km WNW from the city of San Juan, Argentina. So far I've come up empty trying to locate images from any all-sky cameras at any of the observatories around here. The cameras are either not operational or the archives are inaccessible. The clouds would have wiped out any chance of a direct image from Pachon or Tololo, and probably also from La Silla or Las Campanas, which are ~100km to the north. It was reportedly photometric at Paranal, ~600km to the north of Pachon, but this may be too far away to have captured the event. Saludos, Eric J. Christensen Gemini Observatory __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
No doubt that Kirsh is right. But I am willing to bet that Kirsh would not know an alien if he shook hands with one! When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. They keep looking and get excited when some microbe shows up in a meteorite. But if they actually see a picture taken on mars they most likely and usualy call it just shadows. They want nothing to upset their apple cart. And these are people that call themselves educated. They have an uncany ability to NOT think outside the box! - Original Message From: countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:59:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dirk and List, What strikes me as a layman after listening to Kirsh on extremophiles (thank you for the link, Dirk) is that she and her associates in the field of astrobiology, by their studies of the molecular processes in these life forms, are admitting to that life survives extreme environments. These scientists run all over the earth finding biomorphs in salt mines and lakes and the deep, all the while wishing they had samples from other planets and moons, yet they almost studiously avoid the examination of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Is this a condition of funding? Or a turf battle that prevents an exchange between the disciplines? I'm in the McKay camp up to my eyeballs. Especially after the recent NASA paper on the findings of biomorphs beautifully exposed in Nakhla. not to mention AH840001. I kept waiting through her lecture to hear the word meteorite. Nada. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki href=mailto:drtan...@yahoo.com;drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 1:08 PM To: href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dear List, Posted are 6/6 videos on the topic: posted on YouTube by CarnegieInstitution —(418 views) 2009年06月19日 — Adrienne Kish is an astrobiologist with an interest in the microbiology and molecular biology of extremophiles exposed to the types of environmental conditions found on planetary bodies such as Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. life in water inside salt crystals antibiotic resistant bacteria what is a lifeform depending upon and thriving not just surviving in extremes http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/ets-are-already-here-7may2010.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list; target=_blank http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. -- What exactly is this supposed to imply? I believe the possibility that aliens exist, I do not believe I have ever seen one nor do I believe there is proof of aliens in any way shape or form. You feel I am uneducated because I only believe in things that I can see proof of? Are we speaking of illegal aliens or Spoo-Tar from the planet Klick Klack? Warren Sansoucie Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:55:00 -0700 From: balisterja...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! No doubt that Kirsh is right. But I am willing to bet that Kirsh would not know an alien if he shook hands with one! When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. They keep looking and get excited when some microbe shows up in a meteorite. But if they actually see a picture taken on mars they most likely and usualy call it just shadows. They want nothing to upset their apple cart. And these are people that call themselves educated. They have an uncany ability to NOT think outside the box! - Original Message From: countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:59:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dirk and List, What strikes me as a layman after listening to Kirsh on extremophiles (thank you for the link, Dirk) is that she and her associates in the field of astrobiology, by their studies of the molecular processes in these life forms, are admitting to that life survives extreme environments. These scientists run all over the earth finding biomorphs in salt mines and lakes and the deep, all the while wishing they had samples from other planets and moons, yet they almost studiously avoid the examination of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Is this a condition of funding? Or a turf battle that prevents an exchange between the disciplines? I'm in the McKay camp up to my eyeballs. Especially after the recent NASA paper on the findings of biomorphs beautifully exposed in Nakhla. not to mention AH840001. I kept waiting through her lecture to hear the word meteorite. Nada. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki href=mailto:drtan...@yahoo.com;drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 1:08 PM To: href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dear List, Posted are 6/6 videos on the topic: posted on YouTube by CarnegieInstitution —(418 views) 2009年06月19日 — Adrienne Kish is an astrobiologist with an interest in the microbiology and molecular biology of extremophiles exposed to the types of environmental conditions found on planetary bodies such as Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. life in water inside salt crystals antibiotic resistant bacteria what is a lifeform depending upon and thriving not just surviving in extremes http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/ets-are-already-here-7may2010.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list; target=_blank http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
Spoo Tar informs me he doesn't want to be dragged into this kind of bickering on the List Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: balisterja...@att.net; METEORITE LIST meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. -- What exactly is this supposed to imply? I believe the possibility that aliens exist, I do not believe I have ever seen one nor do I believe there is proof of aliens in any way shape or form. You feel I am uneducated because I only believe in things that I can see proof of? Are we speaking of illegal aliens or Spoo-Tar from the planet Klick Klack? Warren Sansoucie Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:55:00 -0700 From: balisterja...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! No doubt that Kirsh is right. But I am willing to bet that Kirsh would not know an alien if he shook hands with one! When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. They keep looking and get excited when some microbe shows up in a meteorite. But if they actually see a picture taken on mars they most likely and usualy call it just shadows. They want nothing to upset their apple cart. And these are people that call themselves educated. They have an uncany ability to NOT think outside the box! - Original Message From: countde...@earthlink.net countde...@earthlink.net To: drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:59:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dirk and List, What strikes me as a layman after listening to Kirsh on extremophiles (thank you for the link, Dirk) is that she and her associates in the field of astrobiology, by their studies of the molecular processes in these life forms, are admitting to that life survives extreme environments. These scientists run all over the earth finding biomorphs in salt mines and lakes and the deep, all the while wishing they had samples from other planets and moons, yet they almost studiously avoid the examination of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Is this a condition of funding? Or a turf battle that prevents an exchange between the disciplines? I'm in the McKay camp up to my eyeballs. Especially after the recent NASA paper on the findings of biomorphs beautifully exposed in Nakhla. not to mention AH840001. I kept waiting through her lecture to hear the word meteorite. Nada. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki href=mailto:drtan...@yahoo.com;drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 1:08 PM To: href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dear List, Posted are 6/6 videos on the topic: posted on YouTube by CarnegieInstitution —(418 views) 2009?06?19? — Adrienne Kish is an astrobiologist with an interest in the microbiology and molecular biology of extremophiles exposed to the types of environmental conditions found on planetary bodies such as Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. life in water inside salt crystals antibiotic resistant bacteria what is a lifeform depending upon and thriving not just surviving in extremes http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/ets-are-already-here-7may2010.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list; target=_blank http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
hi folks, Just a follow up on the hunting on BLM and National and State, County, City Parks, etc. Beware of hunting on military areas also. I'm sure all of us have common sense to not be walking around on Military Property and hunting for rocks, Native American artifacts or meteorites. Remember Area 51 and gunmen on the ridge, etc. Twenty-Nine Palms Marine Corps Base, Edwards Air Force Base, Vandenberg Air Force Base and Chocolate Mountain Gunnery Range in California. Oh, and China Lake Naval Weapons Center also, but I can't tell you about that one since it involves Aliens and things I still don't remember, nor care to remember or relive. ;-) Nellis Air Force Base Bombing and Gunnery Range in Nevada and Test Site and you know where the others are in your states. It would be unwise to go into any type of restricted or military area to hunt for anything without receiving special permission and most preferably have it documented on paper for your own hassle free safety. Just some wise words to protect yourselves while out hunting in the deserts and wild open spaces. All the best, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
List, Sorry, my comments were intended to be off list. I forgot to delete the list address. Warren Sansoucie From: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: warren3...@hotmail.com; balisterja...@att.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:22:30 -0500 Spoo Tar informs me he doesn't want to be dragged into this kind of bickering on the List Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Warren Sansoucie To: ; METEORITE LIST Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. -- What exactly is this supposed to imply? I believe the possibility that aliens exist, I do not believe I have ever seen one nor do I believe there is proof of aliens in any way shape or form. You feel I am uneducated because I only believe in things that I can see proof of? Are we speaking of illegal aliens or Spoo-Tar from the planet Klick Klack? Warren Sansoucie Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 16:55:00 -0700 From: balisterja...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! No doubt that Kirsh is right. But I am willing to bet that Kirsh would not know an alien if he shook hands with one! When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. They keep looking and get excited when some microbe shows up in a meteorite. But if they actually see a picture taken on mars they most likely and usualy call it just shadows. They want nothing to upset their apple cart. And these are people that call themselves educated. They have an uncany ability to NOT think outside the box! - Original Message From: countde...@earthlink.net To: drtanuki ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 3:59:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dirk and List, What strikes me as a layman after listening to Kirsh on extremophiles (thank you for the link, Dirk) is that she and her associates in the field of astrobiology, by their studies of the molecular processes in these life forms, are admitting to that life survives extreme environments. These scientists run all over the earth finding biomorphs in salt mines and lakes and the deep, all the while wishing they had samples from other planets and moons, yet they almost studiously avoid the examination of Martian and Lunar meteorites. Is this a condition of funding? Or a turf battle that prevents an exchange between the disciplines? I'm in the McKay camp up to my eyeballs. Especially after the recent NASA paper on the findings of biomorphs beautifully exposed in Nakhla. not to mention AH840001. I kept waiting through her lecture to hear the word meteorite. Nada. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: drtanuki href=mailto:drtan...@yahoo.com;drtan...@yahoo.com Sent: May 6, 2010 1:08 PM To: href=mailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Dear List, Posted are 6/6 videos on the topic: posted on YouTube by CarnegieInstitution —(418 views) 2009?06?19? — Adrienne Kish is an astrobiologist with an interest in the microbiology and molecular biology of extremophiles exposed to the types of environmental conditions found on planetary bodies such as Mars and the icy moons of Jupiter and Saturn. life in water inside salt crystals antibiotic resistant bacteria what is a lifeform depending upon and thriving not just surviving in extremes http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/05/ets-are-already-here-7may2010.html Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at href=http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html; target=_blank http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com href=http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list; target=_blank http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Wisconsin Meteorite slice pictures
Cut some of the Wisconsin meteorite today. I think it will be H4-6 breccia. Here are some pics of a couple of the slices I thought some may like to see... This is an AWESOME meteorite! 2.3g CS http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4467.jpg 2.6g CS http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4484.jpg 3.5g EC http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/345gb.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/345ga.jpg 44.61g EC http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4461.jpg http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF4463.jpg Hope everyone is good! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Thu, 5/6/10, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Subject: [meteorite-list] AD-Scale Cubes made of tungsten Carbide (Ebay) To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 2:04 PM Folks, I am posting this on behalf of Rex Scates (rexsca...@sbcglobal.net), who is unable to post to the list for undetermined reasons: * I make Tungsten Carbide jewelry and after attempting to get scale cubes from other vendors I decided to have them made myself. (at lower prices than anyone by far) From now on I will be selling scale cubes on Ebay and Neweggmall. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=110528619279 take care Rex Scates 8th grade science teacher. * Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New position on hunting BLM lands
Hi Yinan, Thanks for refreshing my memory on the mining claim that the prospectors filed on the land. I was in high school and remember reading that they were not allowed to take the Old Woman meteorite as she sat in between the boulders on that rocky area because it was not a locatable mineral. That brings back memories and clarifies the reason that it went to the Smithsonian. Thanks again, Brian __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New evidence for microbial fossils in Martian meteorite
Hello Listers, I did some looking around about evidence of microbial fossils in Martian meteorites and I found a few articles about magnetite and how science are researching how magnetite can be formed biologically or inorganically on Earth, resulting in magnetite crystals. This evidences has been a leading factor in the debate about ALH84001 and if life did exist on Mars. Here are a couple abstracts I pulled off the Internet down below.. Shawn Alan eBayshop http://my.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyEbayBetaMyEbay=gbh=1guest=1 Origins of magnetite nanocrystals in Martian meteorite ALH84001 K.L. Thomas-Keprtaa, , , S.J. Clemetta, , , D.S. McKayb, E.K. Gibsonb and S.J. Wentwortha aESCG at NASA/Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX 77058, USA bKR, ARES, NASA/Johnson Space Center, Houston, TX 77058, USA Received 20 July 2008; accepted 18 May 2009. Associate editor: Christian Koeberl. Available online 16 June 2009. Abstract The Martian meteorite ALH84001 preserves evidence of interaction with aqueous fluids while on Mars in the form of microscopic carbonate disks. These carbonate disks are believed to have precipitated 3.9 Ga ago at beginning of the Noachian epoch on Mars during which both the oldest extant Martian surfaces were formed, and perhaps the earliest global oceans. Intimately associated within and throughout these carbonate disks are nanocrystal magnetites (Fe3O4) with unusual chemical and physical properties, whose origins have become the source of considerable debate. One group of hypotheses argues that these magnetites are the product of partial thermal decomposition of the host carbonate. Alternatively, the origins of magnetite and carbonate may be unrelated; that is, from the perspective of the carbonate the magnetite is allochthonous. For example, the magnetites might have already been present in the aqueous fluids from which the carbonates were believed to have been deposited. We have sought to resolve between these hypotheses through the detailed characterization of the compositional and structural relationships of the carbonate disks and associated magnetites with the orthopyroxene matrix in which they are embedded. Extensive use of focused ion beam milling techniques has been utilized for sample preparation. We then compared our observations with those from experimental thermal decomposition studies of sideritic carbonates under a range of plausible geological heating scenarios. We conclude that the vast majority of the nanocrystal magnetites present in the carbonate disks could not have formed by any of the currently proposed thermal decomposition scenarios. Instead, we find there is considerable evidence in support of an alternative allochthonous origin for the magnetite unrelated to any shock or thermal processing of the carbonates. Title:Magnetite as a prokaryotic biomarker: A review Authors:Jimenez-Lopez, Concepcion; Romanek, Christopher S.; Bazylinski, Dennis A. Publication:Journal of Geophysical Research, Volume 115, Issue 37, CiteID G00G03 Publication Date:04/2010 Origin:AGU Abstract Over the years, nanometer-sized magnetite (Fe3O4) crystals have been recovered from many modern and ancient environments including sediments and soils and even meteorites. In some cases these crystals have been used as “magnetofossils” for evidence of the past presence of specific microbes. Magnetite nanocrystals can be formed by a number of different biological and inorganic mechanisms resulting in crystals with different physical and magnetic characteristics. Prokaryotes (bacteria) biomineralize magnetite through two methods that differ mechanistically, including: biologically induced mineralization (BIM) and biologically controlled mineralization (BCM). Magnetite nanocrystals produced by BIM are known to be synthesized by the dissimilatory iron-reducing bacteria, are deposited external to the cell, and generally are physically indistinguishable from magnetite particles formed inorganically. BCM magnetites, in contrast, are synthesized by the magnetotactic bacteria and some higher organisms and are precipitated intracellularly as membrane-bounded structures called magnetosomes. These magnetites appear to have unique crystal morphologies and a narrow size range leading to their original use as magnetofossils. Because of the discovery of nanometer-sized crystals of magnetite in the Martian meteorite ALH84001, the use of these criteria for the determination of whether magnetite crystals could constitute a prokaryotic biomarker was questioned. Thus, there is currently great debate over what criteria to use in the determination of whether specific magnetite crystals are biogenic or not. In the last decade, additional criteria have been established (e.g., the Magnetite Assay for Biogenicity), and new tools and technologies have been developed to determine the origin of specific types of magnetite crystals.
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
On Thu, 6 May 2010 19:04:53 -0500, you wrote: When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. -- What exactly is this supposed to imply? Sadly, I'm confident that he means this: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_crinoid.htm and similar photos http://www.google.com/#num=100hl=ensafe=offq=mars+life+coverupaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=fp=75855d283b36db78 More insane conspiracy theory bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
I think I may have posted this PDF before, but here's an old book chapter about the possible fossils in ALH84001. Look especially at page 15, with the size coparisons between fossils and known microorganisms on Earth: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/martian_fossils.pdf __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here!
Waren, I was not refering to you at all. I was talking about people in general. And yes Daren I do think that the stuff that RH shows is just a bunch of light and dark shadows. However I have a big respect fore NASA! I think that they are doing a great job and should get all the funding that they need to continue their fine work! But the fact remains the same, people who think that they are educated are duped in just about everything including beliving that there are no aliens and never was any life on Mars. So strongly that if shown an alien house on Mars they would say , just shadows! They can not think for themselves, let alone outside the box! - Original Message From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 9:50:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! On Thu, 6 May 2010 19:04:53 -0500, you wrote: When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. -- What exactly is this supposed to imply? Sadly, I'm confident that he means this: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_crinoid.htm and similar photos http://www.google.com/#num=100hl=ensafe=offq=mars+life+coverupaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=fp=75855d283b36db78 More insane conspiracy theory bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! OFF TOPIC
*sigh* I am 'people in general. Show me a house on Mars. Show me that it is not a shadow. Then I can believe you. What if the face on Mars is really just some mountains and shadows? Why did alien civilizations conquer intergalactic travel to arrive here, blend in with all of us only to hate probe our rectums for the last 60 years? Gimmie a break man. Believing something is plausible is one thing, wearing aluminum foil hats is another. I am not duped. I am sane. Warren Sansoucie Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 19:34:51 -0700 From: balisterja...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! Waren, I was not refering to you at all. I was talking about people in general. And yes Daren I do think that the stuff that RH shows is just a bunch of light and dark shadows. However I have a big respect fore NASA! I think that they are doing a great job and should get all the funding that they need to continue their fine work! But the fact remains the same, people who think that they are educated are duped in just about everything including beliving that there are no aliens and never was any life on Mars. So strongly that if shown an alien house on Mars they would say , just shadows! They can not think for themselves, let alone outside the box! - Original Message From: Darren Garrison To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 9:50:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ETs (EXTREME TYPES) Already Here! On Thu, 6 May 2010 19:04:53 -0500, you wrote: When humans see alien life they just say ho hum and keep going on about their day. -- What exactly is this supposed to imply? Sadly, I'm confident that he means this: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/marte/esp_crinoid.htm and similar photos http://www.google.com/#num=100hl=ensafe=offq=mars+life+coverupaq=faqi=aql=oq=gs_rfai=fp=75855d283b36db78 More insane conspiracy theory bullshit. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list href=mailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com;Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Collecting on Public Lands
Regarding the discussions regarding the collecting of meteorites on public lands... the BLM publishes brochures encouraging visitors to pack out debris and routinely sponsors volunteer days where folks get together to remove debris and exotic/invasive species. I could contend that all meteorites are debris from space, and even more specifically; they are exotic species of minerals. It might be our civic duty to remove them from public lands. Regards, Mark Miller IMCA 4732 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 10% - 15% off sales list for month of May
Hello list! I have not posted in some time, but I decided to discount my specimens for sale. All meteorites, tektites, and impactites are 10% off the listed prices, and for orders of $1000 or more (whether they are single specimens or multiple specimens exceed the total), I will take 15% off. I am advertising this special on this List first before I post it on my sales site. Please visit the sales pages at http://home.comcast.net/~fprochaska/. Samples include: Abbott Ahumada Chinga DaG 749 Esquel Glorieta Mtn Happy Canyon Imilac Kapoeta Molong NWA 801 NWA 978 NWA 1914 Tatahouine Theil Mtns Vaca Muerta various tektites and impactites Thank you for looking! Frank Prochaska __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Need free Lunar micro - Update
Hello, You might recall that I put up a call for lunar micros for a young boy (his name is Justin Labonte - a member questioned his identity and I answered rather curtly which I do regret) who has some problems in life. Some generous members here were kind enough to donate some material for a good cause. Just to let all know that I am preparing the micros and one small meteorite for what will be, I hope, an unforgettable collection for Justin. I will meet Justin, his mother and Mrs. Rossignol (the lady who contacted me) next Thursday. The mother has a friend who is a reporter for a French daily newspaper and others might be on hand as well (much to my surprise). Should any of this make it to news websites, I'll be sure to pass on the addresses to this list. Cheers Andre Bordeleau __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
