Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Hi all, I've just received the exact figures from Jim and Wendy Wooddell - who were keeping track. So, here are a few numbers for you to think about as I prepare a short video about our hunt. Over 50 people attended. 45 people hunted on Saturday. 26 people found one or more meteorites. 13 people found their first meteorite ever! 16 people found their first Holbrook meteorite ever! 19 found a good time but no meteorites. (However, everyone left with a Holbrook meteorite.) 82 total finds and 440 grams of meteorites were found on Saturday alone! Everyone (even if they found nothing) went home with a certificate of participation, at least one meteorite and three hunters also left with trophies for spectacular finds! I hope we'll see some photos soon from Bob, Ben, Jim, Mark and others. I should have the video ready by tomorrow! Thanks to all that attended and to JIM AND WENDY - for all their help! Stay tuned! On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Mark Bowling wrote: > Hi everybody, > > Dad and I made it back home about an hour ago, after hunting from about 8:30 > to 1:30. This weekend was my uncle Rich's first meteorite hunt, and on the > first day he found a chip. But today as dad and uncle Rich got ready to > drive over to pick me up and head home, uncle Rich found a nice ~1.5 > grammer! We were thrilled about that! We were really hoping and praying > that he would make a nice find. > > Thanks Ruben and Jim for the great ceremony after the hunt. Nobody went home > empty handed on this hunt thanks to Ruben - and we all received fantastic > certificates too! After dinner, I enjoyed a nice visit with Jim and Xu Zhang > (plus Wendy, Dennis, Erik, and a few others). Jim introduced us to > Spaceweatherradio.com, which provided a nice backdrop to the fireball/meteor > conversation. I learned quite a bit from Jim and Xu (which got my creative > juices flowing!). Yes it was into the wee, dark hours but my crew and I were > back up about 5:45 getting showers and preparing for b-fast. > > I'm looking forward to sharing the video and photos with my uncle - a great > addition to a great hunt! Thanks go to Ruben and his capable camera men! As > Ruben said, everyone had a great time and enjoyed each others company. And > we all learned a lot from the experienced hunters. We will always remember > this hunt, and we are looking forward to the 100th anniversary - it can't > come soon enough! Great job guys! > > Clear skies & HH! > Mark Bowling, > Vail, AZ > > From: Jim Wooddell > To: Ruben Garcia > Cc: Meteorite List > Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:56 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge > Success! > > Hi all! > > Made it back to Parker. For some reason...really tired today. Would > it be because Mark Bowling and Xu Zhang kept me up until 0130 this > morning discussing everything and anything about Fire Balls! > > Anyway, compiling data and as it stands at this time: > > 82 total finds, total weight 439.1g for Saturday, July 16th hunt. > > A new King and a new Prince of Holbrook were crowned! > > One special number for me is 5! Out of 13 hunters that found their > first ever meteorite, I was able to tell 5 of them, in the field, they > found their first meteorite...and that was just awesome! Each time, > it was like remembering my first find! > > My finds for 3 days totaled 46. > > > Ruben should have more later when I am done with report > > Great event! > > Jim Wooddell > > > > > > > , Jul 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say >> this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most >> successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter >> walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook >> meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! >> >> We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger >> as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and >> expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” >> Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of >> their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! >> >> Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. >> Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE >> went home empty handed. >> >> Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt >> was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know >> of….. >> >> I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one >> to be remembered. >> I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be >> shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn >> Field” is still giving up! >> >> I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, >> NO trouble whatsoever!
[meteorite-list] Noerdlingen - Ries
Aloha - I Heartily endorse a visit to Noerdlingen / the Ries Krater - and while you are at it, Steinheim isn't far away... spend the time to go to the top of the Daniel, visit the RiesKrater Museum (at 1 Eugene-Shoemaker-Platz), and walk the walls around the city - (At one of the gates, look out for the Oompa Loompas! - In classic form, I only realized where that scene of the movie was shot when I got home) After you do the city, tour the crater - A day with a car will get you to the main sites, and probably only get you lost a little. Polsingen is the only tricky place, I had to go back on the second day. LOTs of the old buildings in the town and in the crater are built of suevite, as is the Daniel and much of the town walls. Many of the Suevite / Bunte Breccia quarries are open to visit, with signs saying, please only take a little, leave some for others to enjoy! Here's some pics from my 2003 trip http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/Craters/ries.htm Here's the Steinheim part... http://kauscience.k12.hi.us/~ted/Craters/steinheim.htm Aloha - ted --- On Sun, 7/17/11, Alexander Seidel wrote: > From: Alexander Seidel > Date: Sunday, July 17, 2011, 12:00 PM > Nördlingen, Bavaria? Hey guys, here > is some "official" stuff: http://www.noerdlingen.de/ISY/index.php?get=276 > > If you go there to visit the place, you will be fascinated! > There is a guy on the so-called "Daniel" church tower > shouting out some few old words every evening at the full > hour, and if you climb the "Daniel" at daytime you will be > rewarded by a good view of the Ries crater rim on clear > days. > > And, of course, don´t forget to visit the Rieskrater > museum right there in town - very nice! > > Alex > Berlin/Germany > > > Original-Nachricht > > Datum: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 17:28:18 -0400 > > Von: MexicoDoug > > An: nakhla...@comcast.net, > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta > > > Hey Rob > > > > No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries > > Crater! They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie > > and the Chocolate Factory". __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Hi everybody, Dad and I made it back home about an hour ago, after hunting from about 8:30 to 1:30. This weekend was my uncle Rich's first meteorite hunt, and on the first day he found a chip. But today as dad and uncle Rich got ready to drive over to pick me up and head home, uncle Rich found a nice ~1.5 grammer! We were thrilled about that! We were really hoping and praying that he would make a nice find. Thanks Ruben and Jim for the great ceremony after the hunt. Nobody went home empty handed on this hunt thanks to Ruben - and we all received fantastic certificates too! After dinner, I enjoyed a nice visit with Jim and Xu Zhang (plus Wendy, Dennis, Erik, and a few others). Jim introduced us to Spaceweatherradio.com, which provided a nice backdrop to the fireball/meteor conversation. I learned quite a bit from Jim and Xu (which got my creative juices flowing!). Yes it was into the wee, dark hours but my crew and I were back up about 5:45 getting showers and preparing for b-fast. I'm looking forward to sharing the video and photos with my uncle - a great addition to a great hunt! Thanks go to Ruben and his capable camera men! As Ruben said, everyone had a great time and enjoyed each others company. And we all learned a lot from the experienced hunters. We will always remember this hunt, and we are looking forward to the 100th anniversary - it can't come soon enough! Great job guys! Clear skies & HH! Mark Bowling, Vail, AZ From: Jim Wooddell To: Ruben Garcia Cc: Meteorite List Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success! Hi all! Made it back to Parker. For some reason...really tired today. Would it be because Mark Bowling and Xu Zhang kept me up until 0130 this morning discussing everything and anything about Fire Balls! Anyway, compiling data and as it stands at this time: 82 total finds, total weight 439.1g for Saturday, July 16th hunt. A new King and a new Prince of Holbrook were crowned! One special number for me is 5! Out of 13 hunters that found their first ever meteorite, I was able to tell 5 of them, in the field, they found their first meteorite...and that was just awesome! Each time, it was like remembering my first find! My finds for 3 days totaled 46. Ruben should have more later when I am done with report Great event! Jim Wooddell , Jul 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: > Hi all, > > While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say > this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most > successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter > walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook > meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! > > We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger > as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and > expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” > Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of > their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! > > Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. > Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE > went home empty handed. > > Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt > was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know > of….. > > I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one > to be remembered. > I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be > shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn > Field” is still giving up! > > I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, > NO trouble whatsoever! > > So, thanks to all that attended and thanks for making us all look good. > > Stay tuned for video and photos! > > > -- > Rock On! > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT Vesta
Dear Mushroom Men, ...fighting it out with Charlie's authors... Authors? There is but the ONE author, the late great Roald Dahl [Wing Commander Dahl, 1916 -- 1990], author of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, James and the Giant Peach, The Fantastic Mr. Fox, Matilda, The Witches, The Twits, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator, The BFG, The Gremlins, The Enormous Crocodile, Esio Trot, George's Marvellous Medicine, Danny, the Champion of the World, The Giraffe and the Pelly and Me, The Minpins, The Vicar of Nibbleswicke, The Magic Finger, The Wonderful Story of Henry Sugar and... When he died in 1990, he was buried with his favorite snooker cues, some very good burgundy and of course, lots of chocolates, a box of HB pencils and a power saw in case it was, well, too confining in there. Eleanor Frances Butler Cameron (1912–1996) criticized the book for the Evil Mr. Wonka's "unfeeling attitude toward the Oompa-Loompas, their role as conveniences and devices to be used for Wonka’s purposes, their being brought over from Africa for enforced servitude, and the fact that their situation is all a part of the fun and games. I find it regrettable, too, that Willy Wonka, through the cleverness of his advertising, can triumphantly convince Charlie that life lived forever inside the factory, enclosed as in a prison, is the height of all possible bliss, with here again no word said, nothing expressed, that would question this idea." Yes, Mr. Wonka is another Simon Legree, a slave master, a capitalist exploiter in the mold of diabolical Mr. William Gates, no doubt. Ms. Cameron objects to Charlie because it is "fantastical... caricature, [and] removed from reality," hence children learn nothing from it. She recommends "Little Women and Gulliver’s Travels" herself, works of obvious moral rectitude, I suppose. Wait! Is Gulliver’s Travels really realistic? She also recommends Alice In Wonderland which, as we all know, is not in the least fantastical or like caricature of any sort and contains none but the morally edifying characters... She likes Charlotte's Web thoroughly. Nothing fantastical there; I talk to pigs and spiders myself... I think Cameron is a humorless Canadian twit incapable of understanding irony in any form, a person thoroughly earnest and thick as a brick. . If you wish to read her attack on Dahl, his response, her response to his response, etc., you will find them here: http://www.hbook.com/history/magazine/camerondahl.asp Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: "MexicoDoug" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT Vesta Well, Rob ok! Now, you are absolutely right about that. Curiously you've now picked my absolute favorite children's book of all time (Is it coincidence or did you know), which two kind and generous list members actually had me shaking in my shoes by giving me the entire mushroom planet series of books. The kicker is ... the author of Mushroom Planet despised Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and created quite a scandal and old-style flame war fighting it out with Charlie's authors...because the premises of Charlie and ..." was a terrible direction to corrupt young minds with given the existing body of literature available to children. The same concerns are why the Oompa Loompas lost their green hair after the book was written. Charlie is one of my top ten as well so I guess I'm corrupted, but there was no foul smelling sulfur on Vesta like Basidium, Vesta is a sweet as a burst of chocolate so we'll have to hang the jury? As for the green Mushroom people, I still think I'm one of them - and I have claimed being from Vesta before (Why not, Sterling is from Venus). The whole thing can be reconciled if we are talking about the same crowd which staged a journey from Vesta on Basidium-X, a Vestoid, and hitched up to a gaggle of Wild geese to Earth after Mrs. Pennyfeather died and they were out of Sulfur (which is not naturally ocurring on Basidium-X) in the 1950s, and then established themselves in Oompa-Loompish until Mr. Wonka picked them up in the 1970s. I'll drink to that ;-) Best wishes Doug ref: stolen ideas from Mushroom Planet, Chocolate Factory, Little Prince, and another book or two as the arrival at Vesta seems as unbelievable as it has been long-awaited -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 6:14 pm Subject: OT Vesta I'll give ya the crater (I didn't know that until now - Ries/Nördlingen being the filming site) but Vesta is more the territory of Mr. Bass and the little green people of the Mushroom Planet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Flight_to_the_Mushroom_Planet Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.We
[meteorite-list] NASA's Dawn Spacecraft Enters Orbit Around Asteroid Vesta
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-212 NASA's Dawn Spacecraft Enters Orbit Around Asteroid Vesta Jet Propulsion Laboratory July 16, 2011 PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Dawn spacecraft on Saturday became the first probe ever to enter orbit around an object in the main asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. Dawn will study the asteroid, named Vesta, for a year before departing for a second destination, a dwarf planet named Ceres, in July 2012. Observations will provide unprecedented data to help scientists understand the earliest chapter of our solar system. The data also will help pave the way for future human space missions. "Today, we celebrate an incredible exploration milestone as a spacecraft enters orbit around an object in the main asteroid belt for the first time," NASA Administrator Charles Bolden said. "Dawn's study of the asteroid Vesta marks a major scientific accomplishment and also points the way to the future destinations where people will travel in the coming years. President Obama has directed NASA to send astronauts to an asteroid by 2025, and Dawn is gathering crucial data that will inform that mission." The spacecraft relayed information to confirm it entered Vesta's orbit, but the precise time this milestone occurred is unknown at this time. The time of Dawn's capture depended on Vesta's mass and gravity, which only has been estimated until now. The asteroid's mass determines the strength of its gravitational pull. If Vesta is more massive, its gravity is stronger, meaning it pulled Dawn into orbit sooner. If the asteroid is less massive, its gravity is weaker and it would have taken the spacecraft longer to achieve orbit. With Dawn now in orbit, the science team can take more accurate measurements of Vesta's gravity and gather more accurate timeline information. Dawn, which launched in September 2007, is on track to become the first spacecraft to orbit two solar system destinations beyond Earth. The mission to Vesta and Ceres is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif., for the agency's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Dawn is a project of the directorate's Discovery Program, which is managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Ala. The University of California, Los Angeles, is responsible for the overall Dawn mission science. Orbital Sciences Corp. of Dulles, Va., designed and built the spacecraft. The German Aerospace Center, the Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research, the Italian Space Agency and the Italian National Astrophysical Institute are part of the mission's team. JPL is a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. For information about the Dawn mission, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/dawn and http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov . To follow the mission on Twitter, visit: http://www.twitter.com/NASA_Dawn . Priscilla Vega 818-354-1357 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. priscilla.r.v...@jpl.nasa.gov Dwayne C. Brown 202-358-1726 NASA Headquarters, Washington dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov 2011-212 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Congrats to all making their first find. It do make your nipples hard! Great Trip Meister that Ruben guy. Guido -Original Message- >From: Jim Wooddell >Sent: Jul 17, 2011 5:56 PM >To: Ruben Garcia >Cc: Meteorite List >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge >Success! > >Hi all! > >Made it back to Parker. For some reason...really tired today. Would >it be because Mark Bowling and Xu Zhang kept me up until 0130 this >morning discussing everything and anything about Fire Balls! > >Anyway, compiling data and as it stands at this time: > >82 total finds, total weight 439.1g for Saturday, July 16th hunt. > >A new King and a new Prince of Holbrook were crowned! > >One special number for me is 5! Out of 13 hunters that found their >first ever meteorite, I was able to tell 5 of them, in the field, they >found their first meteorite...and that was just awesome! Each time, >it was like remembering my first find! > >My finds for 3 days totaled 46. > > >Ruben should have more later when I am done with report > >Great event! > >Jim Wooddell > > > > > > >, Jul 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say >> this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most >> successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter >> walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook >> meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! >> >> We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger >> as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and >> expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” >> Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of >> their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! >> >> Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. >> Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE >> went home empty handed. >> >> Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt >> was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know >> of….. >> >> I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one >> to be remembered. >> I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be >> shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn >> Field” is still giving up! >> >> I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, >> NO trouble whatsoever! >> >> So, thanks to all that attended and thanks for making us all look good. >> >> Stay tuned for video and photos! >> >> >> -- >> Rock On! >> >> Ruben Garcia >> >> Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net >> Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ >> Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Hi all! Made it back to Parker. For some reason...really tired today. Would it be because Mark Bowling and Xu Zhang kept me up until 0130 this morning discussing everything and anything about Fire Balls! Anyway, compiling data and as it stands at this time: 82 total finds, total weight 439.1g for Saturday, July 16th hunt. A new King and a new Prince of Holbrook were crowned! One special number for me is 5! Out of 13 hunters that found their first ever meteorite, I was able to tell 5 of them, in the field, they found their first meteorite...and that was just awesome! Each time, it was like remembering my first find! My finds for 3 days totaled 46. Ruben should have more later when I am done with report Great event! Jim Wooddell , Jul 17, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: > Hi all, > > While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say > this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most > successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter > walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook > meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! > > We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger > as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and > expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” > Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of > their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! > > Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. > Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE > went home empty handed. > > Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt > was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know > of….. > > I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one > to be remembered. > I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be > shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn > Field” is still giving up! > > I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, > NO trouble whatsoever! > > So, thanks to all that attended and thanks for making us all look good. > > Stay tuned for video and photos! > > > -- > Rock On! > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT Vesta
Well, Rob ok! Now, you are absolutely right about that. Curiously you've now picked my absolute favorite children's book of all time (Is it coincidence or did you know), which two kind and generous list members actually had me shaking in my shoes by giving me the entire mushroom planet series of books. The kicker is ... the author of Mushroom Planet despised Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and created quite a scandal and old-style flame war fighting it out with Charlie's authors...because the premises of Charlie and ..." was a terrible direction to corrupt young minds with given the existing body of literature available to children. The same concerns are why the Oompa Loompas lost their green hair after the book was written. Charlie is one of my top ten as well so I guess I'm corrupted, but there was no foul smelling sulfur on Vesta like Basidium, Vesta is a sweet as a burst of chocolate so we'll have to hang the jury? As for the green Mushroom people, I still think I'm one of them - and I have claimed being from Vesta before (Why not, Sterling is from Venus). The whole thing can be reconciled if we are talking about the same crowd which staged a journey from Vesta on Basidium-X, a Vestoid, and hitched up to a gaggle of Wild geese to Earth after Mrs. Pennyfeather died and they were out of Sulfur (which is not naturally ocurring on Basidium-X) in the 1950s, and then established themselves in Oompa-Loompish until Mr. Wonka picked them up in the 1970s. I'll drink to that ;-) Best wishes Doug ref: stolen ideas from Mushroom Planet, Chocolate Factory, Little Prince, and another book or two as the arrival at Vesta seems as unbelievable as it has been long-awaited -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 6:14 pm Subject: OT Vesta I'll give ya the crater (I didn't know that until now - Ries/Nördlingen being the filming site) but Vesta is more the territory of Mr. Bass and the little green people of the Mushroom Planet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Flight_to_the_Mushroom_Planet Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: "MexicoDoug" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:28 PM To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hey Rob No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries Crater! > They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie and the > Chocolate Factory". My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and > forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ... I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! To prove the point, let me generally pick up your citation where you stopped, of the sacred text: "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in this factory. So I > talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him how his > people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they would only come > with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was so happy he leaped up > in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green caterpillars right out his > bong-bong tree window. So, here they are!" Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds like > England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look over the > factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes up, down sideways > and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him leaving the factory > hovering over the beautful village. What village? Nördlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of course! Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they have green > hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their original > homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for green sample > return missions and the great glass elevator itself, both of which were > originally defenses against the snozzwangers you mentioned! This defense rests ;-) Best wishes Doug PS the reason I didn't mark this OT, is because next time you get to visit > Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of Nördlingen (Bavaria, > Germany) had it selected as the town of the chocolate factory and thus > launch pad for the next adventure when the elevator was used as a space > ship and docked on the space station (the book was written long before the > ISS) where some terrible astronaut-eating aliens were that would eat > everyone on Earth, except they can't come down to the planet without > spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I remember it - maybe > it was just "shooting stars") ... -Original Message--
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
Yes Matthias! Oompa-Loompas are originally from Bilanga-Yanga but have taken nicely to hide out in Bavaria. They originally came to Canyon Diablo but were chased off by the crater patrol and decided that Germany was more fun and the beer was better. In case Rob's film and children's book didn't get international exposure, here's the clip from "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory" in question: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Aa5ho4wCU&t=2m52s You can watch them errupt from deep down below Ries crater (the altimeter reads negative before the red dot) as Willy (Gene Wilder), Charlie and grandpa blast off in the great glass elevator, through the roof of the chocolate factory clearly inside the crater, to gaze upon the beautiful medieval town of Nördlingen back in 1970, the circular crater nature is apparent Speaking of their language, Suebian, I wonder if the filming was from the town tower (or aerial for real) made of Suevite breccia. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Matthias Bärmann To: nakhla...@comcast.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 5:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Ah, Doug, unmasked! Found guilty to be hand in glove with these highly suspicious Oompa-Loompas! Tried to hide them as Bavarians! Not at all. They live around Nördlingen, yes, that's about 40 km from my home. But they talk . Suebian of course. The real extraterrestrial dialect. Even the Suebians don't understand it really. So the camouflage is perfect. A minority of them lives close to the Moldova river, their ancestors travelled there riding the well known Moldavites. All these little guys adore the Ries crater structure as a gigantic chocolate grinder. The seemingly feel quite well there. That's what I'm allowed to say about this subject. Mysterium cacaorum tremendum. Best, Matthias be hand in glove with sb. - Original Message - From: "MexicoDoug" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hey Rob No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries Crater! > They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie and the > Chocolate Factory". My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and > forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ... I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! To prove the point, let me generally pick up your citation where you stopped, of the sacred text: "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in this factory. So I > talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him how his > people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they would only come > with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was so happy he leaped up > in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green caterpillars right out his > bong-bong tree window. So, here they are!" Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds like > England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look over the > factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes up, down sideways > and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him leaving the factory > hovering over the beautful village. What village? Nördlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of course! Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they have green > hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their original > homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for green sample > return missions and the great glass elevator itself, both of which were > originally defenses against the snozzwangers you mentioned! This defense rests ;-) Best wishes Doug PS the reason I didn't mark this OT, is because next time you get to visit > Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of Nördlingen (Bavaria, > Germany) had it selected as the town of the chocolate factory and thus > launch pad for the next adventure when the elevator was used as a space > ship and docked on the space station (the book was written long before the > ISS) where some terrible astronaut-eating aliens were that would eat > everyone on Earth, except they can't come down to the planet without > spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I remember it - maybe > it was just "shooting stars") ... -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Dude It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in Loompaland, not Vesta ‘Then you’ll know all about it,’ said Mr Wonka. ‘And oh, what a terrible > country it is! Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most dangerous > beasts in the world — hornswogglers and snozzwangers and those terrible > wicked whangdoo
[meteorite-list] OT Vesta
I'll give ya the crater (I didn't know that until now - Ries/Nördlingen being the filming site) but Vesta is more the territory of Mr. Bass and the little green people of the Mushroom Planet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wonderful_Flight_to_the_Mushroom_Planet Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: "MexicoDoug" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 2:28 PM To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hey Rob No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries Crater! They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory". My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ... I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! To prove the point, let me generally pick up your citation where you stopped, of the sacred text: "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in this factory. So I talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him how his people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they would only come with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was so happy he leaped up in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green caterpillars right out his bong-bong tree window. So, here they are!" Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds like England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look over the factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes up, down sideways and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him leaving the factory hovering over the beautful village. What village? Nördlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of course! Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they have green hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their original homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for green sample return missions and the great glass elevator itself, both of which were originally defenses against the snozzwangers you mentioned! This defense rests ;-) Best wishes Doug PS the reason I didn't mark this OT, is because next time you get to visit Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of Nördlingen (Bavaria, Germany) had it selected as the town of the chocolate factory and thus launch pad for the next adventure when the elevator was used as a space ship and docked on the space station (the book was written long before the ISS) where some terrible astronaut-eating aliens were that would eat everyone on Earth, except they can't come down to the planet without spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I remember it - maybe it was just "shooting stars") ... -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Dude It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in Loompaland, not Vesta ‘Then you’ll know all about it,’ said Mr Wonka. ‘And oh, what a terrible country it is! Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most dangerous beasts in the world — hornswogglers and snozzwangers and those terrible wicked whangdoodles. A whangdoodle would eat ten Oompa-Loompas for breakfast and come galloping back for a second helping. When I went out there, I found the little Oompa-Loompas living in tree houses. They had to live in tree houses to escape from the whangdoodles and the hornswogglers and the snozzwangers. And they were living on green caterpillars, and the caterpillars tasted revolting, and the Oompa-Loompas spent every moment of their days climbing through the treetops looking for other things to mash up with the caterpillars to make them taste better — red beetles, for instance, and eucalyptus leaves, and the bark of the bong-bong tree, all of them beastly, but not quite so beastly as the caterpillars. Poor little Oompa-Loompas! The one food that they longed for more than any other was the cacao bean. But they couldn’t get it. An Oompa-Loompa was lucky if he found three or four cacao beans a year. But oh, how they craved them. They used to dream about cacao beans all night and talk about them all day. You had only to mention the word “cacao” to an Oompa-Loompa and he would start dribbling at the mouth. .' http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/12/22/150635/oopma.jpg Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: "MexicoDoug" Se
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
Nördlingen, Bavaria? Hey guys, here is some "official" stuff: http://www.noerdlingen.de/ISY/index.php?get=276 If you go there to visit the place, you will be fascinated! There is a guy on the so-called "Daniel" church tower shouting out some few old words every evening at the full hour, and if you climb the "Daniel" at daytime you will be rewarded by a good view of the Ries crater rim on clear days. And, of course, don´t forget to visit the Rieskrater museum right there in town - very nice! Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht > Datum: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 17:28:18 -0400 > Von: MexicoDoug > An: nakhla...@comcast.net, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta > Hey Rob > > No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries > Crater! They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie > and the Chocolate Factory". > > My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory > and forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ... > > I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! > > To prove the point, let me generally pick up your citation where you > stopped, of the sacred text: > > "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in this factory. So I > talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him how > his people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they would > only come with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was so happy > he leaped up in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green caterpillars > right out his bong-bong tree window. So, here they are!" > > Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds like > England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look over the > factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes up, down > sideways and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him leaving the > factory hovering over the beautful village. > > What village? > > Nördlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of course! > > Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they have green > hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their original > homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for green sample > return missions and the great glass elevator itself, both of which were > originally defenses against the snozzwangers you mentioned! > > This defense rests ;-) > > Best wishes > Doug > > PS the reason I didn't mark this OT, is because next time you get to > visit Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of Nördlingen > (Bavaria, Germany) had it selected as the town of the chocolate factory > and thus launch pad for the next adventure when the elevator was used > as a space ship and docked on the space station (the book was written > long before the ISS) where some terrible astronaut-eating aliens were > that would eat everyone on Earth, except they can't come down to the > planet without spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I > remember it - maybe it was just "shooting stars") ... > > > -Original Message- > From: Rob Wesel > To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug > Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta > > > Dude > > It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in Loompaland, not Vesta > > ‘Then you’ll know all about it,’ said Mr Wonka. ‘And oh, what a > terrible country it is! Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most > dangerous beasts in the world — hornswogglers and snozzwangers and > those terrible wicked whangdoodles. A whangdoodle would eat ten > Oompa-Loompas for breakfast and come galloping back for a second > helping. When I went out there, I found the little Oompa-Loompas living > in tree houses. They had to live in tree houses to escape from the > whangdoodles and the hornswogglers and the snozzwangers. And they were > living on green caterpillars, and the caterpillars tasted revolting, > and the Oompa-Loompas spent every moment of their days climbing through > the treetops looking for other things to mash up with the caterpillars > to make them taste better — red beetles, for instance, and eucalyptus > leaves, and the bark of the bong-bong tree, all of them beastly, but > not quite so beastly as the caterpillars. Poor little Oompa-Loompas! > The one food that they longed for more than any other was the cacao > bean. But they couldn’t get it. An Oompa-Loompa was lucky if he found > three or four cacao beans a year. But oh, how they craved them. They > used to dream about cacao beans all night and talk about them all day. > You had only to mention the word “cacao” to an Oompa-Loompa and he > would start dribbling at the mouth. .' > > http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/12/22/150635/oopma.jpg > > Rob Wesel > -- > Nakhla Dog Meteorites > www.nakhladogmeteorites.com > ww
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
Ah, Doug, unmasked! Found guilty to be hand in glove with these highly suspicious Oompa-Loompas! Tried to hide them as Bavarians! Not at all. They live around Nördlingen, yes, that's about 40 km from my home. But they talk . Suebian of course. The real extraterrestrial dialect. Even the Suebians don't understand it really. So the camouflage is perfect. A minority of them lives close to the Moldova river, their ancestors travelled there riding the well known Moldavites. All these little guys adore the Ries crater structure as a gigantic chocolate grinder. The seemingly feel quite well there. That's what I'm allowed to say about this subject. Mysterium cacaorum tremendum. Best, Matthias be hand in glove with sb. - Original Message - From: "MexicoDoug" To: ; Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hey Rob No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries Crater! They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory". My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ... I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! To prove the point, let me generally pick up your citation where you stopped, of the sacred text: "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in this factory. So I talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him how his people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they would only come with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was so happy he leaped up in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green caterpillars right out his bong-bong tree window. So, here they are!" Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds like England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look over the factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes up, down sideways and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him leaving the factory hovering over the beautful village. What village? Nördlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of course! Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they have green hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their original homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for green sample return missions and the great glass elevator itself, both of which were originally defenses against the snozzwangers you mentioned! This defense rests ;-) Best wishes Doug PS the reason I didn't mark this OT, is because next time you get to visit Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of Nördlingen (Bavaria, Germany) had it selected as the town of the chocolate factory and thus launch pad for the next adventure when the elevator was used as a space ship and docked on the space station (the book was written long before the ISS) where some terrible astronaut-eating aliens were that would eat everyone on Earth, except they can't come down to the planet without spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I remember it - maybe it was just "shooting stars") ... -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Dude It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in Loompaland, not Vesta ‘Then you’ll know all about it,’ said Mr Wonka. ‘And oh, what a terrible country it is! Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most dangerous beasts in the world — hornswogglers and snozzwangers and those terrible wicked whangdoodles. A whangdoodle would eat ten Oompa-Loompas for breakfast and come galloping back for a second helping. When I went out there, I found the little Oompa-Loompas living in tree houses. They had to live in tree houses to escape from the whangdoodles and the hornswogglers and the snozzwangers. And they were living on green caterpillars, and the caterpillars tasted revolting, and the Oompa-Loompas spent every moment of their days climbing through the treetops looking for other things to mash up with the caterpillars to make them taste better — red beetles, for instance, and eucalyptus leaves, and the bark of the bong-bong tree, all of them beastly, but not quite so beastly as the caterpillars. Poor little Oompa-Loompas! The one food that they longed for more than any other was the cacao bean. But they couldn’t get it. An Oompa-Loompa was lucky if he found three or four cacao beans a year. But oh, how they craved them. They used to dream about cacao beans all night and talk about them all day. You had only to mention the word “cacao” to an Oompa-Loompa and he would start dribbling at the mouth. .' http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/12/22/150635/oopma.jpg Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.f
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
Hey Rob No way I'm wrong about the Oompa-Loompas living secretly at Ries Crater! They absolutely do according to the original movie :"Charlie and the Chocolate Factory". My apologies for stealing ideas from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and forgetting how to spell Oompa-Loompa! Oopsa Loopsa ... I should have tread more carefully over your favorite ! To prove the point, let me generally pick up your citation where you stopped, of the sacred text: "I myself use billions of cacao beans every week in this factory. So I talked to the leader of the tribe in Oompa-Loompish and told him how his people could have all the cacao beans they wanted if they would only come with me and live in my factory. Well the leader was so happy he leaped up in the air and threw his bowl of mashed green caterpillars right out his bong-bong tree window. So, here they are!" Rob, the next question is - where is "here"? It certainly sounds like England or Wales, but ... when Charlie finally gets to look over the factory in the great glass Wonkavator elevator that goes up, down sideways and anywhere else you want, the movie shows him leaving the factory hovering over the beautful village. What village? Nördlingen, the very same location of Ries Crater, of course! Not only that, the Oompa-Loompas are diogenite crazed - they have green hair and were grown on a diet of green caterpillars in their original homeland where they developed the slingshot technology for green sample return missions and the great glass elevator itself, both of which were originally defenses against the snozzwangers you mentioned! This defense rests ;-) Best wishes Doug PS the reason I didn't mark this OT, is because next time you get to visit Ries Crater you can see how the beauty of the town of Nördlingen (Bavaria, Germany) had it selected as the town of the chocolate factory and thus launch pad for the next adventure when the elevator was used as a space ship and docked on the space station (the book was written long before the ISS) where some terrible astronaut-eating aliens were that would eat everyone on Earth, except they can't come down to the planet without spontaneously turning into meteorites (or that's how I remember it - maybe it was just "shooting stars") ... -Original Message- From: Rob Wesel To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Dude It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in Loompaland, not Vesta ‘Then you’ll know all about it,’ said Mr Wonka. ‘And oh, what a terrible country it is! Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most dangerous beasts in the world — hornswogglers and snozzwangers and those terrible wicked whangdoodles. A whangdoodle would eat ten Oompa-Loompas for breakfast and come galloping back for a second helping. When I went out there, I found the little Oompa-Loompas living in tree houses. They had to live in tree houses to escape from the whangdoodles and the hornswogglers and the snozzwangers. And they were living on green caterpillars, and the caterpillars tasted revolting, and the Oompa-Loompas spent every moment of their days climbing through the treetops looking for other things to mash up with the caterpillars to make them taste better — red beetles, for instance, and eucalyptus leaves, and the bark of the bong-bong tree, all of them beastly, but not quite so beastly as the caterpillars. Poor little Oompa-Loompas! The one food that they longed for more than any other was the cacao bean. But they couldn’t get it. An Oompa-Loompa was lucky if he found three or four cacao beans a year. But oh, how they craved them. They used to dream about cacao beans all night and talk about them all day. You had only to mention the word “cacao” to an Oompa-Loompa and he would start dribbling at the mouth. .' http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/12/22/150635/oopma.jpg Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: "MexicoDoug" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:36 AM To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hi Matthias! Do you think your Tatahouine was mined on Vesta by the Oumpa Lumpas! > Unfortunately all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put > Tatahouine together again, so we'll never know with 100.000...000% > certainty if 99% of them all ever had any fusion crust :-( :-) Won't you be surprised when you find that Vesta actually was mined by sly > Oumpas living under Ries Crater that have a giant slingshot, perfect sense > of masses, orbits and atmospheres of everything and have been mining Vesta > to songs that have been heard
Re: [meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Congratulations to all that went, I wish I could have made it. Great job Ruben for setting this up and I'm looking forward to your videos and pics of this event. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: > Hi all, > > While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say > this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most > successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter > walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook > meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! > > We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger > as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and > expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” > Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of > their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! > > Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. > Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE > went home empty handed. > > Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt > was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know > of….. > > I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one > to be remembered. > I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be > shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn > Field” is still giving up! > > I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, > NO trouble whatsoever! > > So, thanks to all that attended and thanks for making us all look good. > > Stay tuned for video and photos! > > > -- > Rock On! > > Ruben Garcia > > Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net > Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ > Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite
So how many "official" falls are we at? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 99th year Anniversary Holbrook Hunt – A Huge Success!
Hi all, While there are still some hunters in the field I can honestly say this has been a great success. Believe it or not, this was the most successful hunt I have personally witnessed in Holbrook. One hunter walked away with nearly a pound of beautiful - 99 year old -Holbrook meteorites. Yes, he did win the “largest find” trophy! We had world class hunters, Nick Gessler, Bob Verish, Moni Waiblinger as well as Erik and Ben Fisler that came to share their knowledge and expertise with new hunters. A few of these future “Hall of Fame” Hunters shocked and inspired us all with the shear number and size of their finds! I have great footage of the spectacular specimens found! Over 50 people attended and 47 participated in yesterdays hunt. Imagine this, all but 10 found one or more meteorites. However, NO ONE went home empty handed. Except for Larry’s mutli-pound specimen of a few years ago this hunt was the most successful in the last 10-20 years – at least that I know of….. I am currently editing footage of this hunt that will go down as one to be remembered. I won’t spoil the surprise just yet but I think everyone will be shocked at how much was recovered and how the “Mighty Holbrook Strewn Field” is still giving up! I’m happy to report that I witnessed NO arguing, No trash left behind, NO trouble whatsoever! So, thanks to all that attended and thanks for making us all look good. Stay tuned for video and photos! -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers
Yeah typo. Michael Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Greg Hupé wrote: > Hi Mike, > > I think you meant to address your reply to "Eric", not one of us 'Greg's'. :) > You referred to "Greg" twice in your post, surely an innocent slip of the > keyboard. > > Best Regards, > Greg Hupe > > > -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer > Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:24 PM > To: Eric Wichman > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers,Losers Weepers > > My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I > happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there > over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the > museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the Smithsonian > had anything to do with a "smear campaign", in fact, I think they handled the > odd situation perfectly, they put the stone in safe storage and waited till > the legal issues were settled. There was no smear campaign, merely one side > presenting it's case and the other theirs. > One side lost. > Greg, I have been accused of lacking tact at times:), but this is bad. I > would suggest an apology to the scientists at the Smithsonian is in order. > Please do it, as a dealer and representative of the collecting private > community, this is an insult to a fine institution and those who work to > unlock the secrets of meteorites, and it is an abolute lie! I saw all the > press releases and the Smithsonian NEVER inserted themselves into the > argument once it began. > I am very happy the Lorton meteorite ended up where it should have, in a > museum for millions of people to see every year. > Michael Farmer >> >> > For the record... >> > >> > The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR >> nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian >> pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the >> Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely >> appealed to the public's emotion on the issue simply making >> them out to be the bad guys in the media if they continued >> to fight it. "Oh what bad people these greedy landowners >> must be to try to take away the meteorite from the public, >> and the money from those in need in Haiti." Oh my... >> > >> > They didn't drop the case because "the doctors were >> right". They dropped it because of the negative press and >> smear campaign played out in the media by the Doctors and >> the Smithsonian. Simple as that. >> > >> > This "Case" was never decided on legally in a court. >> Therefore the issue is still open and *unresolved* with >> regard to the legal ownership of meteorites falling on >> private property. >> > >> > Period. >> > >> > Regards, >> > Eric >> > >> > >> > >> > On 7/15/2011 7:41 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> >> You find it , it's yours!: >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Phil Whitmer >> >> __ >> >> Visit the Archives at >> >> >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> >> > __ >> > Visit the Archives at > >> > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> > Meteorite-list mailing list >> > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
Dude It's Oompa-Loompa and they live in Loompaland, not Vesta ‘Then you’ll know all about it,’ said Mr Wonka. ‘And oh, what a terrible country it is! Nothing but thick jungles infested by the most dangerous beasts in the world — hornswogglers and snozzwangers and those terrible wicked whangdoodles. A whangdoodle would eat ten Oompa-Loompas for breakfast and come galloping back for a second helping. When I went out there, I found the little Oompa-Loompas living in tree houses. They had to live in tree houses to escape from the whangdoodles and the hornswogglers and the snozzwangers. And they were living on green caterpillars, and the caterpillars tasted revolting, and the Oompa-Loompas spent every moment of their days climbing through the treetops looking for other things to mash up with the caterpillars to make them taste better — red beetles, for instance, and eucalyptus leaves, and the bark of the bong-bong tree, all of them beastly, but not quite so beastly as the caterpillars. Poor little Oompa-Loompas! The one food that they longed for more than any other was the cacao bean. But they couldn’t get it. An Oompa-Loompa was lucky if he found three or four cacao beans a year. But oh, how they craved them. They used to dream about cacao beans all night and talk about them all day. You had only to mention the word “cacao” to an Oompa-Loompa and he would start dribbling at the mouth. .' http://static-l3.blogcritics.org/10/12/22/150635/oopma.jpg Rob Wesel -- Nakhla Dog Meteorites www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/Nakhla.Dog.Meteorites www.facebook.com/Rob.Wesel -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 -- From: "MexicoDoug" Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2011 10:36 AM To: ; Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hi Matthias! Do you think your Tatahouine was mined on Vesta by the Oumpa Lumpas! Unfortunately all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't put Tatahouine together again, so we'll never know with 100.000...000% certainty if 99% of them all ever had any fusion crust :-( :-) Won't you be surprised when you find that Vesta actually was mined by sly Oumpas living under Ries Crater that have a giant slingshot, perfect sense of masses, orbits and atmospheres of everything and have been mining Vesta to songs that have been heard for thousands of years ... by hurling projectiles on precisely calculated billiard-like trajectories at that return samples to Earth. Of course, each time a space-faring gaggle of geese pass by the returning stones, Vesta stones being so attractive to their eyes, they pick them right out of the path and bring them to earth during June and November migrations, and set them down somewhere in Africa where they pick at them like chicken feed and love the icing, until they shatter into zillions of pieces. - And you thought you had Tatahouine figured out now that you have that beautiful new stone ;-) But maybe you are on to something about why it is so difficult to know Vesta's "perfect" mass! Happy Day! Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite
Another attempt at posting this to the list!!! More hereInteresting hearing them report about the Carancas "poisonings" at the end of the video I last posted! and in this they suggest the meteorite was spinning when it landed? http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Meteor+crashes+at+Kilimambogo/-/1056/1202250/-/13ulmhtz/-/ Posted Saturday, July 16 2011 at 17:34 An unknown mass believed to be from outer space on Saturday fell near Kilimambogo and Tala towns. Initially, there were reports of an explosion in Kangundo, Tala, Yatta and Kakuzi before an extra-terrestrial rock fell at around 10 am. Area residents say the loud sound was comparable to a bomb explosion or a crashing aircraft while others felt it was an earthquake. Police and military officers from Thika rushed to the scene at Kiumwiri village, Murang’a county. The military later took away the object for expert analysis. The black smooth rock weighing about five kilos fell at a maize plantation, 60 meters from a nearby homestead, but no one was harmed. Lt Col J.N. Vungo, the commanding officer of the 12th Engineers Battalion, said initial assessment indicate that the object was not manmade and was believed to have come from outer space. “We got conflicting reports from Kilimambogo area indicating that an aircraft had crashed or a bomb had exploded in the area and jointly with the police we mobilised our officers to find out what was happening,” he said. On locating the scene, security personnel sealed off the area, which was attracting curious residents. “We believe it is a heavenly body, probably a piece of a meteor that may have disintegrated on entering the earth’s atmosphere,” said Lt Col Vungo, who was accompanied by Thika police boss Paul Leting. Mr Vungo said reports from Ndunyu Sabuk area indicated that a bigger object was seen in the skies before it disintegrated after a loud blast. The official said according to witnesses, the object raised a cloud of dust on hitting the ground, was extremely hot and was spinning on impact. “Meteors often lose stability and fly away from their orbit, but they burn out on entering the atmosphere due to friction, Lt Col Vungo said. However, he added that it was a rare occurrence in the East African region. An eye witness Ms Jane Wangui Kibugi said she was only 50 meters away when the object fell. “I saw a cloud of dust and when I went closer I found the black smooth stone, which had dug a hole on the ground,” she said. Great to have another new fall to ponder. Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Kenya meteorite
Trying to send this again as does not seem to be getting to the listapologies if it gets through twice... Ok thenwho's flying out to look for more of this? ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXtZpGTvok The locality as Kilimambogo between Thika and Kangunde (1 deg. 3 min. 46.3176 sec. South; 37 deg. 14 min. 22.3152 sec. East). Thanks to David from BIMS for the heads up. Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers
Hi Mike, I think you meant to address your reply to "Eric", not one of us 'Greg's'. :) You referred to "Greg" twice in your post, surely an innocent slip of the keyboard. Best Regards, Greg Hupe -Original Message- From: Michael Farmer Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2011 7:24 PM To: Eric Wichman Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers,Losers Weepers My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the Smithsonian had anything to do with a "smear campaign", in fact, I think they handled the odd situation perfectly, they put the stone in safe storage and waited till the legal issues were settled. There was no smear campaign, merely one side presenting it's case and the other theirs. One side lost. Greg, I have been accused of lacking tact at times:), but this is bad. I would suggest an apology to the scientists at the Smithsonian is in order. Please do it, as a dealer and representative of the collecting private community, this is an insult to a fine institution and those who work to unlock the secrets of meteorites, and it is an abolute lie! I saw all the press releases and the Smithsonian NEVER inserted themselves into the argument once it began. I am very happy the Lorton meteorite ended up where it should have, in a museum for millions of people to see every year. Michael Farmer > For the record... > > The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely appealed to the public's emotion on the issue simply making them out to be the bad guys in the media if they continued to fight it. "Oh what bad people these greedy landowners must be to try to take away the meteorite from the public, and the money from those in need in Haiti." Oh my... > > They didn't drop the case because "the doctors were right". They dropped it because of the negative press and smear campaign played out in the media by the Doctors and the Smithsonian. Simple as that. > > This "Case" was never decided on legally in a court. Therefore the issue is still open and *unresolved* with regard to the legal ownership of meteorites falling on private property. > > Period. > > Regards, > Eric > > > > On 7/15/2011 7:41 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: >> You find it , it's yours!: >> >> >> http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php >> >> >> Phil Whitmer >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers
I concur with both of you. Dr Tim McCoy is an honorable man and a dedicated researcher who has worked with and collaborated on many papers with scientists from my institute. I don't want to comment on the allegations made regarding the so-called smear campaign. I do want to say that as an American I am very proud of our Smithsonian Institution National Museum of Natural History, and am glad the Lorton meteorite resides there. gary On Jul 17, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Greg Stanley wrote: > Michael: > I agree as I personally know someone who works there, and each time I return > to the DC area I visit and get to see the specimens there; last year I saw > and held Lorton. It should be on display for everyone to see, as it is one > of the very rare falls in the vicinity of DC. And note: the landlord did > decide to drop the case. > Greg S > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jul 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > >> My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I >> happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips >> there over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with >> the museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the >> Smithsonian had anything to do with a "smear campaign", in fact, I think >> they handled the odd situation perfectly, they put the stone in safe storage >> and waited till the legal issues were settled. There was no smear campaign, >> merely one side presenting it's case and the other theirs. >> One side lost. >> Greg, I have been accused of lacking tact at times:), but this is bad. I >> would suggest an apology to the scientists at the Smithsonian is in order. >> Please do it, as a dealer and representative of the collecting private >> community, this is an insult to a fine institution and those who work to >> unlock the secrets of meteorites, and it is an abolute lie! I saw all the >> press releases and the Smithsonian NEVER inserted themselves into the >> argument once it began. >> I am very happy the Lorton meteorite ended up where it should have, in a >> museum for millions of people to see every year. >> Michael Farmer >>> For the record... The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR >>> nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian >>> pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the >>> Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely >>> appealed to the public's emotion on the issue simply making >>> them out to be the bad guys in the media if they continued >>> to fight it. "Oh what bad people these greedy landowners >>> must be to try to take away the meteorite from the public, >>> and the money from those in need in Haiti." Oh my... They didn't drop the case because "the doctors were >>> right". They dropped it because of the negative press and >>> smear campaign played out in the media by the Doctors and >>> the Smithsonian. Simple as that. This "Case" was never decided on legally in a court. >>> Therefore the issue is still open and *unresolved* with >>> regard to the legal ownership of meteorites falling on >>> private property. Period. Regards, Eric On 7/15/2011 7:41 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > You find it , it's yours!: > > > http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php >>> > > > Phil Whitmer > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Pla
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers
Michael: I agree as I personally know someone who works there, and each time I return to the DC area I visit and get to see the specimens there; last year I saw and held Lorton. It should be on display for everyone to see, as it is one of the very rare falls in the vicinity of DC. And note: the landlord did decide to drop the case. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jul 16, 2011, at 4:24 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: > My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I > happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there > over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the > museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the Smithsonian > had anything to do with a "smear campaign", in fact, I think they handled the > odd situation perfectly, they put the stone in safe storage and waited till > the legal issues were settled. There was no smear campaign, merely one side > presenting it's case and the other theirs. > One side lost. > Greg, I have been accused of lacking tact at times:), but this is bad. I > would suggest an apology to the scientists at the Smithsonian is in order. > Please do it, as a dealer and representative of the collecting private > community, this is an insult to a fine institution and those who work to > unlock the secrets of meteorites, and it is an abolute lie! I saw all the > press releases and the Smithsonian NEVER inserted themselves into the > argument once it began. > I am very happy the Lorton meteorite ended up where it should have, in a > museum for millions of people to see every year. > Michael Farmer >> >>> For the record... >>> >>> The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR >> nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian >> pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the >> Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely >> appealed to the public's emotion on the issue simply making >> them out to be the bad guys in the media if they continued >> to fight it. "Oh what bad people these greedy landowners >> must be to try to take away the meteorite from the public, >> and the money from those in need in Haiti." Oh my... >>> >>> They didn't drop the case because "the doctors were >> right". They dropped it because of the negative press and >> smear campaign played out in the media by the Doctors and >> the Smithsonian. Simple as that. >>> >>> This "Case" was never decided on legally in a court. >> Therefore the issue is still open and *unresolved* with >> regard to the legal ownership of meteorites falling on >> private property. >>> >>> Period. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Eric >>> >>> >>> >>> On 7/15/2011 7:41 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: You find it , it's yours!: http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php >> Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite: Finders Keepers, Losers Weepers
My god Greg, are you trying hard to burn whatever bridges you have left? I happen to know the people at the Smithsonian pretty well, several trips there over the last 10 years to view the collection and do exchanges with the museum, our NATIONAL COLLECTION of meteorites. I hardly think the Smithsonian had anything to do with a "smear campaign", in fact, I think they handled the odd situation perfectly, they put the stone in safe storage and waited till the legal issues were settled. There was no smear campaign, merely one side presenting it's case and the other theirs. One side lost. Greg, I have been accused of lacking tact at times:), but this is bad. I would suggest an apology to the scientists at the Smithsonian is in order. Please do it, as a dealer and representative of the collecting private community, this is an insult to a fine institution and those who work to unlock the secrets of meteorites, and it is an abolute lie! I saw all the press releases and the Smithsonian NEVER inserted themselves into the argument once it began. I am very happy the Lorton meteorite ended up where it should have, in a museum for millions of people to see every year. Michael Farmer > > > For the record... > > > > The landowners dropped the case because it was a PR > nightmare for them because the Doctors and the Smithsonian > pulled bogus and shameful tactics using the media and the > Haitian Earthquake Crisis against the landowners and merely > appealed to the public's emotion on the issue simply making > them out to be the bad guys in the media if they continued > to fight it. "Oh what bad people these greedy landowners > must be to try to take away the meteorite from the public, > and the money from those in need in Haiti." Oh my... > > > > They didn't drop the case because "the doctors were > right". They dropped it because of the negative press and > smear campaign played out in the media by the Doctors and > the Smithsonian. Simple as that. > > > > This "Case" was never decided on legally in a court. > Therefore the issue is still open and *unresolved* with > regard to the legal ownership of meteorites falling on > private property. > > > > Period. > > > > Regards, > > Eric > > > > > > > > On 7/15/2011 7:41 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: > >> You find it , it's yours!: > >> > >> > >> http://www.wm.edu/news/stories/2011/william--mary-law-school-students-learn-about-property-law,-with-an-asteroid-twist-123.php > > >> > >> > >> Phil Whitmer > >> __ > >> Visit the Archives at > >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > >> Meteorite-list mailing list > >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >> > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lorton rooftop
Jeff I am not trying to cause a dispute, but the fact is that the roofers patched the hole by putting shingles over it, pretty lame repair considering the first hail storm would punture through the thin layer of shingles. Robert did speak to them, and they actually repaired the hole right, by cutting out the puncture hole and replacing the entire wood panel which is permanant. Had he not done that, only some crappy shingles instead of the entire meteorite hole would have been preserved. However once the landowners (who did not give a crap at the time) heard that it would be worth money, they threatened a lawsuit, and Robert FEDEXed the parts back. Robert planned to give the hole to whoever ended up with the meteorite, and he wanted to take it to the Smithsonian where it could be displayed with the meteorite. A roof hole is of little interest without the meteorite. Sadly it is now sitting in a box in the closet, or in the trash where it was destined for from the start. Another fine piece of meteorite history lost or destroyed, otherwise worthless without the meteorite. Doing the right thing often backfires. I would have loved to see the meteorite on display with the roof hole intact. Sad situation all around. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD. Carancas and medal.
Please see my ebay sales. Carancas still at $.99 including a photo of Bob Haag. http://shop.ebay.com/meteoritemax/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=25 Thanks for looking. meteoritemax -- "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote". __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
guessing has already been made and we are kind of stuck with it and most depends on the assumption of Vesta's mass barring mechanical steering failure which is very unlikely during this critical maneuver considering the long track record and minimum of moving parts and that it would have to be for a much longer time than a conventional propellant motor. If the target is an initial orbit around Vesta at 100 km altitude, for example, I'm thinking how close they will get to it since changing the course significantly on these incredibly weak ion engines is like trying to turn the Titanic on a dime - you can't. The real risk would be to basically know the mass of Vesta (or the product of G*M). I'm not sure how accurate that it was known and I'm betting that a lot of work has gone into refining the number for the purpose of navigation on this mission. It really wasn't that well determined before! So that is already one benefit of the mission - Vesta's mass. I don't know the initial altitude insertion target, let's assume it is between 100 km and 500 km and somewhat circular (though an eccentric orbit might be chosen), the spacecraft will accelerate to around 294 to 377 mph (31 m/s to 168 m/s ; or, 474 to 606 km/h ) and the speed will determine the initial altitude. So as long as the spacecraft is within that speed range, I think, and has decent pointing capability (which is all happening in slow motion due to the nature of the engines), now, it is a done deal, whoever figured out a mass good enough to navigate to Vesta is a real hero here and deserves the congratultations - as the main power must be coming from the gravitational acceleration into Vesta now and the ion engine mostly secondary and primarily for (slow) steering manuevers. The other detail I see is that since Vesta isn't perfectly round, if they don't pick an "iso-radial" or whatever you call a constant diameter great circle in Vesta that happens to not be oblong, I think that even a circular orbit could be fun, like a ride at an amusment park - the ground could actually be going up and down below you 65 km during each orbit - at a 100 km orbit, that would be pretty awesome. And also a reason not to start with an orbit too low right away for fear of getting Vesta whipped. Being in a circular orbit but having it feel elliptical without doing anything! Charlie Sheen could make a better joke than I can here ... All this assumes no atmosphere. That seems like a good assumption since many spectra have been taken of Vesta - but, there theoretically could be a a few patches of dust floating around. With those huge (and beautiful work of art) solar panels that conceivable could be a consideration and would be a first instance of "micro-meteoroid-braking" a.k.a., sand-blasting. Lots of fun things to think about Vesta while they are still not confirmed, which won't last long ... just thought I'd note these thoughts in case anyone was interested while we all take a vicarious walk to Vesta and route for the home team. I guess I need a "blog" Best wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6301 > (20110717) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
s that since Vesta isn't perfectly round, if they don't pick an "iso-radial" or whatever you call a constant diameter great circle in Vesta that happens to not be oblong, I think that even a circular orbit could be fun, like a ride at an amusment park - the ground could actually be going up and down below you 65 km during each orbit - at a 100 km orbit, that would be pretty awesome. And also a reason not to start with an orbit too low right away for fear of getting Vesta whipped. Being in a circular orbit but having it feel elliptical without doing anything! Charlie Sheen could make a better joke than I can here ... All this assumes no atmosphere. That seems like a good assumption since many spectra have been taken of Vesta - but, there theoretically could be a a few patches of dust floating around. With those huge (and beautiful work of art) solar panels that conceivable could be a consideration and would be a first instance of "micro-meteoroid-braking" a.k.a., sand-blasting. Lots of fun things to think about Vesta while they are still not confirmed, which won't last long ... just thought I'd note these thoughts in case anyone was interested while we all take a vicarious walk to Vesta and route for the home team. I guess I need a "blog" Best wishes Doug __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 6301 (20110717) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Various meteorites ending in next few hours
Hi Everyone, Most of my meteorite auctions on ebay are ending in the next few hours. You can see everything here on my eBay store: http://stores.ebay.com/Devonian-Depot Amongst the highlights: Beenham - New Mexico - hard to find 10.1 gram piece; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353532041 Haxtun - Colorado - hard to find 27.1 gram cut piece; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353531630 NWA 001 - a nice 2.88 gram slice; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353537205 NWA 4664 - large 36.1 gram diogenite slice; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353530120 DaG 999 - 3.83 gram fragment; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353539509 Renfrow - Oklahoma - large 110.5 gram wedge; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353526856 NWA unclassified howardite with nice olivine crystals - 36.4 grams; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353525885 Allende - 25 gram slice; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353529223 Park Forest - Illinois - 0.69 gram fragment; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353539760 NWA 804 - provisional but 2.8 gram of 36.9 gram TKW: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353657356 And two NWA partial oriented domes; http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353321143 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=380353321518 Feel free to contact me directly if you have questions, Yinan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta
Hi Mike, Clearly, orbit was achieved at least by yesterday, at some point probably while we were chattering about this. Since they basically drove up to Vesta and we don't know the outer limit with super accuracy there can be no real time congratulation announcement. So a few more significant digits will need to be calculated on the mass of Vesta and then some engineer will rubber-stamp with hindsight an "official time" of capture. But they will need to do a little more communication with the spacecraft to determine precisely where it is to get that super precise mass, and from that back out when orbit actually started which might only be an estimate with the best data, anyway. So that is why this is a different moseying up to Vesta capture that will be successful under a wide range of mass assumptions. I don't know if this is being maintained accurately to reflect the maneuver into orbit, here's the link though: http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/orbits/fullview4.jpg seems to be a simulation noting the relative speed between the probe and Vesta as well as the distance. It shows ~50 m/s (104 mph) and 13,100 km 8,100 miles), and those numbers haven't changed much. That sounds like a fast approach already so if the proposed two week descent is still the plan and the image data accurate, at this point we are well past the capture and have already started the orbital transition to lower altitude (the two week decent into the first scientific orbit). Unless I'm doing something wrong, a normal satellite at that 13,100 km distance would have an orbital speed of 82 miles/h (132 km/hr) and in a circular orbit no relative speed toward Vesta instead of the 100 mph. The image numbers were 700 km further out and 3-5 km/h slower 10 hours ago so it doesn't exactly add up, but it shows the ion engine is currently thrusting and still approaching Vesta. Since the initial target orbit was 15,000 km and they are around 13,000 km now from Vesta according to this you might also imagine that either they decided to come in more closely, or Vesta was more massive than calculated. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks To: Sterling K. Webb Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug Sent: Sun, Jul 17, 2011 9:34 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] DAWN drives up to Vesta Hi List, I fell asleep last night before 2:30am. So what is the good word on Dawn? Do we have orbit? As has it captured a photo yet of a mile-wide patch of diogenite exposed through the regolith? ;) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone & Ironworks - Meteorites & Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 7/17/11, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Doug, List, I suggest the very detailed "Dawn Journal" postings by Dr. Marc D. Rayman, Chief Engineer. Of course, he's busy right now! The last Journal log was June 23, 2011, but the earlier extensive Journals have a lot of information. They can be found at: http://dawn.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/journal.asp On June 1, Dawn was closing at 540 mph. By June 23, about 250 mph. Currently, it's within your local speed limit 55-65 mph. Hands on the wheel and eyes on the road. "The spacecraft will glide into a very high orbit in late July and continue thrusting, gently as always, until early August, when it will arrive in its survey orbit at an orbit at an altitude of about 2700 kilometers (1700 miles)." You will note that Dawn is AHEAD of schedule now, gaining it more time at Vesta. Ion drive is like a video game -- play it right, you get bonus points. "In survey orbit, the probe will be about 2700 kilometers (1700 miles) above the surface. During the approach phase, navigators will measure the strength of Vesta's gravitational tug on the spacecraft so they can compute the giant asteroid's mass with much greater accuracy than astronomers have yet been able to determine it. (The mass is calculated now using observations of how Vesta perturbs the orbits of other asteroids and even of Mars.) That knowledge will allow them to refine the survey orbit altitude, and they may target it to be somewhat higher or lower, depending on whether Vesta is more massive or less massive than the current calculations show. The sequences for acquiring science data are being designed to accommodate a reasonable range of masses. Dawn will be in a near-polar orbit. Its trajectory will take it over the north pole (which will be in darkness, because it will be northern hemisphere winter at that time), then over the terminator (the boundary between the illuminated and unillu
Re: [meteorite-list] AD nice specimen
Just for the record, "M F" is not me. Cheers, Marc Fries Sent from my iPhone On Jul 17, 2011, at 5:49 AM, M F wrote: > > Hi to all > i hope everyone doing well . > I have lot of unclassified NWA meteorites 1550 gr chondrite for sale with > verry good price . if interested feel free to contact me offlist for the > (pictures and price) > All my best > > > M F > phon +212663398272 > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD nice specimen
Hi to all i hope everyone doing well . I have lot of unclassified NWA meteorites 1550 gr chondrite for sale with verry good price . if interested feel free to contact me offlist for the (pictures and price) All my best M F phon +212663398272 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Evidence for Late Eocene Impact Generated Deposition, Georgia
PDF files concerning evidence for the Chesapeake bay impact in Georgia are available online. They are: Harris, R. S., 2003, Evidence for Impact-Generated Deposition on the Late Eocene Shore of Georgia. unpublished M.S. thesis, University of Georgia, Athens, Georgia. 116 pp. http://www.openthesis.org/documents/Evidence-impact-generated-deposition-late-7147.html http://ugakr.libs.uga.edu/bitstream/handle/10724/6827/harris_robert_s_200308_ms.pdf?sequence=1 Harris, R. S., M. F. Roden, P. A. Schroeder, S. M. Holland, M. S. Duncan, and E. F. Albin, 2004, Geology. vol. 32, no. 8, p.p. 717-720 abstract - http://geology.geoscienceworld.org/cgi/content/abstract/32/8/717 PDF file - http://www.gly.uga.edu/Schroeder/Harris_etal_04.pdf PDF files of the chapters of a USGS study of the Chesapeake Bay Impact Structure can be found in: Horton, W., Jr., D. S. Powars, and G. S. Gohn, 2005, Studies of the Chesapeake Bay Impact Structure -- The USGS-NASA Langley Corehole, Hampton, Virginia, and Related Coreholes and Geophysical Surveys. Professional Paper no. 1688, United States Geological Survey, Reston , Virginia. PDF files at : http://pubs.usgs.gov/pp/2005/1688/ak/ Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
