Re: [meteorite-list] Valera - documentation?

[MexicoDoug]

Thanks you Darryl, I wouldn't say 'Valera revisited' as this addition 
has never appeared in public to my knowledge and shed a lot of 
additional light on the subject.  Is there any newspaper article of the 
time of the fall vintage to your knowledge, or did the consigner ever 
write a report of his findings to your knowledge?  Or does it all 
basically hinge on his word as a gentleman and researcher?  
Specifically the documentation of where the 'clavicle' information came 
from would be key.


Again Darryl, thanks and it sounds like there could have been a better 
way to do this, but I fully understand that in the heat of the moment 
lots of things get sticky when such a prize changes hands and the 
stakes are high.


Kindest wishes
Doug


-Original Message-
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To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com
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Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 2:07 am
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Valera - documentation?



VALERA REVISITED

Hi,

While not among my favorite stories, as you'll soon discover---I have 
no doubt
whatsoever Valera killed a cow.  In brief, there was far more data 
collected

than the affidavit (which was one person's mere summary of events).

Here's the story:

Shepherded by Marty Zinn---the impresario of the Tucson Mineral and 
Fossil
Shows---Valera was first offered at the Macovich Auction 11 or 12 
Tucson's ago.

Professor Ignacio Ferrin---a Venezuelan astronomer...and quite the
gentlemanacquired the meteorite after word of its existence wound 
its way to
him.  Marty heard from Professor Ferrin who directed him to me, and he 
consigned

Valera to our auction.

For those who are unaware, the clavicle of an otherwise healthy cow was
shattered and odd stones---only much later determined to be 
meteoritic---were
found near the carcass. The sonic phenomena associated with a meteorite 
fall
were experienced.  Two large fragments from one mass were recovered 
(~35 and 7.5
kg), and left outside, one of which was used as a doorstop over a 
period of
years---I imagine the lighter of the two.  A third smaller specimen 
which I
vaguely recall as being pretty much complete had been brought inside 
and was
quite fresh.  The specimens in circulation come from the larger 
fragments.


Professor Ferrin gathered far more information other than his 
procurement of the
affidavit.  He has long been exasperated by the ongoing questioning of 
Valera's

killer provenance by the meteorite collecting community, and has gone
on-record addressing this topic more than once.

There are two important points worth mentioning here---both of which 
are rather

ironic.

1.  It's important to recall that Ferrin was informed that the farm 
owner on
whose property the meteorite fell, physician Argimiro Gonzalez, didn't 
think
anything at all of this event.  Dr. Gonzalez was well aware that rocks 
fell out
of the sky, and so it seemed entirely reasonable to him that such 
impacts would
occasionally result in fatalities.  Without the rocks ever having been 
analyzed,
Gonzalez, and later his family, considered the rocks as 
extraterrestrial
curiosities---a conclusion which resulted from a dead animal which had 
been
pulverized by blunt force trauma whose instrument rested nearby.  It 
was the
simplest explanation and somewhat a different tack than would be taken 
by the
meteorite community:  simply expressed, Gonzalez concluded as a result 
of a
death that what he had must be a meteorite.  It was many years later 
that Ferrin
heard the story, confirmed Gonzalez's hypothesis and facilitated 
Valera's

classification.

2.   Every few years I have to admit to having undermined Valera's 
exceptional

provenance, and here's how:

The larger of the two massess did not sell at our auction (it was a big 
rock and
pricey---while extremely inexpensive on a per/gram basis) and Ferrin 
suddenly
found himself in an unexpected financial bind.  He did not have 
particularly
high expectations for how much it should sell---but he absolutely 
expected it
would sell, and now he was stuck---and he didn't want to take 40+ kg of 
rocks
back to Venezuela.  I felt badly as I was confident it would sell, and 
informed
Ferrin of the same prior to his decision to bring Valera to Arizona.  
So I
decided I would purchase it---but by doing so I now put myself in a 
huge
financial pinch.  So what did I do?  The most foolish thing I've ever 
done in
meteorites:  while I don't recall the precise numbers, I sold a portion 
of the
rock to another dealer for about my cost...perhaps a dollar a gram, as 
I recall,
and then we both sold Valera super-cheaply.  Percentage-wise we made a 
nice
return, but the fact is that by having offered it so inexpensively, a 
perceived
valuation was created for a meteorite that should be selling today for 
easily

$250+/g.

If you have a specimen of Valera---treasure it.   If you don't have 
one, you
might consider getting some from somewhere as the price has 

Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[Robert A. Juhl]

Hello List,

There is also this 1994 paper by Yau and Yeomans, Meteorite falls in
China and some related human casualty events
(http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1994Metic..29..864Y), which suggests
that the probability of a meteorite striking a human is far greater
than previous estimates. However, the abstract ends by saying ...it
is difficult to verify the accuracy of the reported casualty events.

Abstract: Statistics of witnessed and recovered meteorite falls found
in Chinese historical texts for the period from 700 B.C. to AD. 1920
are presented. Several notable features can be seen in the binned
distribution as a function of time. An apparent decrease in the number
of meteorite reports in the 18th century is observed. An excess of
observed meteorite falls in the period from 1840 to 1880 seems to
correspond to a similar excess in European data. A X2 probability test
suggests that the association between the two data sets are real.
Records of human casualties and structural damage resulting from
meteorite falls are also given. A calculation based on the number of
casualty events in the Chinese meteorite records suggests that the
probability of a meteorite striking a human is far greater than
previous estimates. However, it is difficult to verify the accuracy of
the reported casualty events.

Robert A. Juhl

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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[valparint]

Tabor

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp
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Re: [meteorite-list] Valera - documentation?

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi Again, 

Trust me---it's revisited!  ;-)  Every couple of years or so this comes up and 
I find myself writing an iteration of the following---but then, maybe not to 
the Meteorite List in some time (and this is getting me to thinking that a 
comprehensive story for, say, METEORITE  should be done).   

MD, with great respect, your citing details as being particularly relevant 
which I find to be off-target. 

I recall Professor Ferrin being so exasperated with collectors who questioned 
the veracity of his claims due to the greater value Valera would have as a 
result of such claims.  The thing is that Ferrin didn't place a greater value 
on the meteorite as a result of such circumstances---for him it was just an 
interesting sidebar.  When Ferrin contacted me and informed me of the events 
surrounding the Valera impact, I was the one that informed him You know, this 
could be the first fatality to be so thoroughly documented,and obviously 
Dr. Gonzalez (and his family) didn't have a clue as to value of meteorites at 
all!   When I determined this WAS the first such instance, Valera was 
introduced with a headline that was completely inconsequential to the owner and 
merely a fun tidbit to a Venezuelan researcher. 

While I have no knowledge of any newspaper article---since when does a 
newspaper account become the arbiter of reality...and particularly as it 
regards meteorites?!!  The track record here is pretty weak [let's not already 
forget The New York Times and Gebel Kamil debacle---and that's for starters].   
And I don't mean to be chauvinistic here, but you would necessarily have an 
account by a small paper that would publish anything its fed.  (Still, in the 
spirit of wishing to pursue a comprehensive Valera piece, I will check to see 
whether any such article exist.)

I also question your thought that the documentation of the clavicle information 
would be key---and there is actually an inside joke here.  Well, it's a bit of 
a boring joke (and embarrassing) but it does illustrate a point with which I 
would like to conclude.  

I was informed that the cow was hit behind the head...on the shoulder.  And in 
my early auction descriptions I went with shoulder (I don't recall if it was 
for Phillips or Butterfields).  Now, this bothered me because as far as I was 
concerned, cows didn't have shoulders and this was a translation problem.  
However, I continued with the term until I had to write a description for a 
competing auction house.  Understand, auction houses dealing in natural history 
work with provided descriptions and do not want to publish precisely the same 
description as their competitor, so I had to make minor edits---and here was my 
chance to get rid of that shoulder problem.  Clavicle!  Someone later pointed 
out the more precise anatomical reference, and I said something to the effect 
of,  I know cows don't have shoulders but I was too lazy to change it up until 
I had to do a rewrite.  I was then asked if I ever heard ofshoulder roast? 
  (Eeeek.)

In closing, we have to be careful of those details to which we assign 
value---and conversely, we should not be suspect of something because it was 
not assigned a value which we believe is deserved.  It's was a drag Valera had 
been impugned by some solely because of a detail that was of little or no 
consequence to the original chain of ownershipcombined with it being 
flipped inexpensively because of my financial circumstances at the time. 

This reminds me (and sorry for this being so long, but I'm marking time in an 
airport as my flight had been canceled), yesterday afternoon I had the pleasure 
of seeing Peter Marmet who provided me with a fun little allegory.  A Swiss 
cheese was split in half with one piece selling for 1 Swiss Franc per portion 
and the other selling for 10 Swiss Francs for the same sized portion.  Which 
one is better?

On some level, I think many of us need something that costs more.  

Yeah, I wish that Gonzalez had a greater appreciation for what he had, and that 
plasticizing technology existed and that we had a Valera Cow that would be 
worth far more than the Claxton Mailbox or the Peekskill Car.  But then, had 
that been the case, Valera would not have been widely distributed and become 
one of the best meteorite values of all time.   


All best / Darryl








On Nov 21, 2011, at 3:35 AM, MexicoDoug wrote:

 Thanks you Darryl, I wouldn't say 'Valera revisited' as this addition has 
 never appeared in public to my knowledge and shed a lot of additional light 
 on the subject.  Is there any newspaper article of the time of the fall 
 vintage to your knowledge, or did the consigner ever write a report of his 
 findings to your knowledge?  Or does it all basically hinge on his word as a 
 gentleman and researcher?  Specifically the documentation of where the 
 'clavicle' information came from would be key.
 
 Again Darryl, thanks and it sounds like there could have been a better 

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[meteorite-list] Sorry for the typos....

[Darryl Pitt]

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[meteorite-list] Tucson show and orders

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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[John Teague]

 not to the termites!


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The reports of termite death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

 

 


 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 21:30:40 -0500
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 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

 3. Q. Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?

 Park Forest killed some winged termites.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[John Teague]

 not to the termites! ;)


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The reports of termite death have been greatly exaggerated.

 

 

 


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 From: bpsun2...@gmail.com
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 3. Q. Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?

 Park Forest killed some winged termites.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers (Barbotan)

[Shawn Alan]

Ruben and Listers

In THE FRIEND 1834 publication VOL 7, a religious and literary journal 
states.

In July 1790, another case occurred at Barbotan, a place in the
vicinity of Bordeaux, which is thus described by Lomet, a respectable citizen
who witnessed the phenomenon:—  It was a very bright fire-ball, luminous
as the sun, of the size of an ordinary balloon, and, after inspiring the
inhabitants with consternation, burst, and disappeared. A few days after, some
peasants brought stones, which they said fell from the meteor; but the
philosophers to whom they offered them laughed at their assertions as fabulous.
The peasants would have now more reasons to laugh at the philosophers. So
they would, Mons. Lomet. One of these stones, fifteen inches in diameter, broke
through the roof of a cottage, and killed a herdsman and a bullock. After
reading the above statement, we cannot refrain from wondering at the slow
belief of philosophers as to the heavenly origin of these stones. Where was the
body to come from, a body of the dimensions described, which was capable of
breaking through tho roof of a cottage, and committing such deadly havoc, if it
did not come from the atmosphere, ay, and from an immense height too ?

http://books.google.com/books?id=y4_TMAAJdq=Barbotan%20meteorite%201790pg=PA409#v=onepageqf=false

I have seen later publication dates that refute the claims, but it think this 
is the earliest reference I have found on the case of Barbotan meteorite fall 
and killing a man. I bet there might be earlier references and I wonder if  
other Listers might have more info on the  fall?


    ***

I did a search in Google Books and found the same article that was published in 
1834 in THE FRIENDS was also published in Chamber's Journal in 1833.
http://books.google.com/books?id=XWAiAQAAMAAJpg=PA346dq=Barbotan+meteorite+1833hl=enei=GinKToydO8Ph0QGQh9wUsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=10ved=0CF4Q6AEwCQ#v=onepageqf=false

And in 1832 in The Christian's Penny magazine makes reference to the Barbotan 
meteorite where a man was killed by a falling stone.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xCcFQAAJpg=PA101dq=Barbotan+meteorite+1832hl=enei=PyrKTv-HKobl0QGSod0rsa=Xoi=book_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CDoQ6AEwAg#v=onepageqf=false


Found a reference in 1826 from Dictionnaire classique d'histoire naturelle, 10 
- Page 489 states

French
On peut citer pour preuve , l'histoire des pierres qui tombèrent, en 1790, à 
Juillac et à Barbotan en Gascogne, et qui furent envoyées à Condorcet, ainsi 
que la pierre qui iàillit tuer plusieurs personnes, le la mars 1798, à Salles 
près Villefranche, département du Rhône. Celle-ci fut examinée par le 
minéralogiste De Drée qui donna une relation de sa chute.

English
It is just j nevertheless, that several French naturalists and physicists, 
despite the views of leuis * colleagues, had believed firmly in Aéiolithes. 
These include evidence for the history of the stones that fell in 1790 to 
Juillac and Barbotan in Gascony, and were sent to Condorcet, and the stone 
iàillit kill many people, the
March 1798, near Villefranche to Salles, Department of the Rhone. This was 
considered by the mineralogist Drée who gave a relation of his fall.

The earliest reference I found about the Barbotan stone killing a man was in 
The Manchester Iris in 1822. Which states as follows...

From the concurrent testimony of those who have described these phenonifba, wc 
learn that in every instance, they are preceded by a luminous appearance, 
globes 
of fire, or igneous meteors, which generally break with a noise resembling 
thunder, and then fall to the ground in masses of different sir.es. The weight 
varies from a few onn.es to several hundred weight. At Verona, two stones fell 
in IOCS, of which one weighed 200lbs. and the other 3001bs. When the masses 
have 
fallen, they are almost always warm, and penetrate the earth to some depth: at 
Barb, near Bourdeaux, a mass of fifteen inches 
diameter penetrated a hut and killed a herdsman and a bullock, on July 2-1th, 
1790.

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA330dq=Barbotan%20meteorite%201822ei=jjDKTrbAB8Lr0gGNudXyDwct=resultid=PDIFQAAJoutput=text

A little history for you :)

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
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A nice list member just sent me this text in an email. I've 
never 
heard this...is it true? 

BARBOTAN 
07.24.1790 (france) 
killed a man! 
(the man was a farmer)  

[meteorite-list] OT: Extreme Canada Mail Slow Down

[Craig Moody]

Wow, I am glad I am not the only one who is getting pissed at the mail service 
to Canada.  I cannot figure out who to blame, the mail services (both Canada 
Post and USPS) or Customs.  However, it takes only a week to get a package to, 
or from, the UK and up to 4-5 weeks from the USA, regardless of the 
State  In any case, this length of delay is inexcuseable!  
Unfortunately, I used to do Christmas shopping online, with much coming from 
the USA.  I won't be doing that this year, that's for sure.
 
Count Deiro...Nice rant buddy! Well done!  I would like to add to it a bit, if 
I may.  I agree with you that the Unions served a purpose in the past, but now 
have far too much power in many sensitive or critical areas.  In fact, I would 
go so as to say that they have had a major role in the downfall of the US 
economy.  Take the Auto industry for example.  They went on strike every few 
years for more money, benefits etc. to the point that a person was getting paid 
$30.00 per hour, to tighten bolts, plus every possible benefit in the world.  
No wonder they all went bankrupt.  The selling cost of their vehicles would 
have to double in order for them to break even.  People wouldn't be able to buy 
new cars.  Do you wonder why nothing is made here anymore?  Almost everything 
you buy is made somewhere else (Asia). 
 
Here endeth the rant.
Craig 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Keller's latest

[E.P. Grondine]

Good morning, everyone - 

Ever heard of the Shiva Crater?

http://www.economist.com/node/14698363

Denial takes many forms.

A neighbor here in town has a novel attitude toward impact events, or perhaps 
he just truthfully expressed an attitude that many may have, but are afraid to 
express. 

There are too many people, he declared, and if an impact were to kill most of 
them, he would take his chances of dying in that impact, providing he also had 
the chance to survive it without the others being around.

I pointed out to him that it was more likely that no one would be around 
afterwards, but he couldn't believe that.

On the other hand, some other people have shared with me their thinking that if 
it's God's will, then we should not interfere. By this logic I am working to 
frustrate God's will, though none of them have said that to me directly. I 
certainly don't feel like Satan's agent or the anti-Christ.
I would certainly think that either position would have far more perks and a 
far higher income, and that the Prince of Darkness would make the work much 
easier.

Then of course we have the scientific sceptics, liker Keller, who are well 
funded, who raise multiple small points, while the gross data goes unexamined 
for lack of funding.

And then you have the biases, like NASA should only be concerned with flying a 
few men to Mars, or with solving the grand mysteries of physics, or with 
finding other intelligent life forms.

On the other side, you have the cranks running around yelling that we're all 
going to die, making people afraid, and then selling them their fears.

E.P.



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[meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[Frank Cressy]

Hello all,

Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a colt (or 
horse), I cringe.  Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that a dog was 
killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone.  

In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the New Concord 
fall.  All these were published shortly after the fall and not one mentions any 
animal being killed.  The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith, professors 
E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the fall, and who 
wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse or animal 
being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large root, and 
others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence.  It was mentioned 
thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S HEAD.  


The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine eliminator is Prior 
and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953.  The first 
catalogue 
(1923) makes no mention of this incident.

So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the Fall.  To those 
who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the original 
reference.

All the best,

Frank

- Original Message 
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I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as informative
As the best of the bunch:

REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES:

Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting
        Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side, the
        photo of which is famous, there have been other documented
        Hammers which nailed living critters:

(NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical references
              nor the Roman report of a legion being killed)

1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt.

1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals
        which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was
        ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted,
        left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an area
        of eight hundred square miles.

1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka
        wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was
        false. However, in a series of heated debates on The List,
        Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own,
        presenting credible arguments that left at least a crack of
        doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue. (These
        rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of Meteorite
        Central).

1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes, owns
        the original, signed and notarized papers on this one).

1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and
        holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had been
considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree
        before striking the boy:
        http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg

2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking
      the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death taking
        place at the time of the impact.

2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama.


ADDENDUM:

5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?
        2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by Sonny
Clary's dog, Brix 

        Best wishes, Michael


On 11/19/11 6:25 PM, Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote:

 A few answers below.
 
 Anne M. Black
 http://www.impactika.com/
 impact...@aol.com
 Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc.
 http://www.imca.cc/
 
 In a message dated 11/19/2011 6:46:16 PM Mountain Standard Time,
 mrmeteor...@gmail.com writes:
 Hi all,
 
 
 I know there are a lot of people on this forum that know meteorite
 statistics way better than I do. So I thought I'd ask for a little
 help.
 In a week or two I'll be doing an interview for a brand new TV Show
 about stats - my episode will obviously be about meteorite statistics.
 With any luck these questions will go to a scientist (and not me) and
 I can just concentrate on the hunting aspect - which is why I'll
 really be there.
 
 Here are a few basic questions that I should probably know. But
 I'm not sure if I do. So, if you're feeling like helping - send me an
 email with the correct answers.
 
 
 1. Q. How many meteorites hit the ground per year?
 A. On average about 1 per square mile per thousand years. About
 20,000 to 40,000 per year.
 
  Are you looking at the planet or ground only? 2/3 of the planet is
 water.
 I think I'll let rob Matson or Sterling answer that one.
 
 2. Q. Has anyone ever been hit by a meteorite?
 A. I only know of Ann Hodges - 

Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP re Valera - documentation?

[Michael Blood]

Hi Darryl,
Thanks for the added info.
Can you tell us if the material out there is from the actual
Hammer stone that killed the cow - or is some of it so and the rest
From additional rocks of the fall?
This would be valuable to know.
Thanks, Michael

On 11/20/11 11:03 PM, Met. Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:

 
 
 VALERA REVISITED
 
 Hi, 
 
 While not among my favorite stories, as you'll soon discover---I have no doubt
 whatsoever Valera killed a cow.  In brief, there was far more data collected
 than the affidavit (which was one person's mere summary of events).
 
 Here's the story:
 
 Shepherded by Marty Zinn---the impresario of the Tucson Mineral and Fossil
 Shows---Valera was first offered at the Macovich Auction 11 or 12 Tucson's
 ago. Professor Ignacio Ferrin---a Venezuelan astronomer...and quite the
 gentlemanacquired the meteorite after word of its existence wound its way
 to him.  Marty heard from Professor Ferrin who directed him to me, and he
 consigned Valera to our auction.
 
 For those who are unaware, the clavicle of an otherwise healthy cow was
 shattered and odd stones---only much later determined to be meteoritic---were
 found near the carcass. The sonic phenomena associated with a meteorite fall
 were experienced.  Two large fragments from one mass were recovered (~35 and
 7.5 kg), and left outside, one of which was used as a doorstop over a period
 of years---I imagine the lighter of the two.  A third smaller specimen which I
 vaguely recall as being pretty much complete had been brought inside and was
 quite fresh.  The specimens in circulation come from the larger fragments.
 
 Professor Ferrin gathered far more information other than his procurement of
 the affidavit.  He has long been exasperated by the ongoing questioning of
 Valera's killer provenance by the meteorite collecting community, and has
 gone on-record addressing this topic more than once.
 
 There are two important points worth mentioning here---both of which are
 rather ironic. 
 
 1.  It's important to recall that Ferrin was informed that the farm owner on
 whose property the meteorite fell, physician Argimiro Gonzalez, didn't think
 anything at all of this event.  Dr. Gonzalez was well aware that rocks fell
 out of the sky, and so it seemed entirely reasonable to him that such impacts
 would occasionally result in fatalities.  Without the rocks ever having been
 analyzed, Gonzalez, and later his family, considered the rocks as
 extraterrestrial curiosities---a conclusion which resulted from a dead animal
 which had been pulverized by blunt force trauma whose instrument rested
 nearby.  It was the simplest explanation and somewhat a different tack than
 would be taken by the meteorite community:  simply expressed, Gonzalez
 concluded as a result of a death that what he had must be a meteorite.  It was
 many years later that Ferrin heard the story, confirmed Gonzalez's hypothesis
 and facilitated Valera's classification.
 
 2.   Every few years I have to admit to having undermined Valera's exceptional
 provenance, and here's how:
 
 The larger of the two massess did not sell at our auction (it was a big rock
 and pricey---while extremely inexpensive on a per/gram basis) and Ferrin
 suddenly found himself in an unexpected financial bind.  He did not have
 particularly high expectations for how much it should sell---but he absolutely
 expected it would sell, and now he was stuck---and he didn't want to take 40+
 kg of rocks back to Venezuela.  I felt badly as I was confident it would sell,
 and informed Ferrin of the same prior to his decision to bring Valera to
 Arizona.  So I decided I would purchase it---but by doing so I now put myself
 in a huge financial pinch.  So what did I do?  The most foolish thing I've
 ever done in meteorites:  while I don't recall the precise numbers, I sold a
 portion of the rock to another dealer for about my cost...perhaps a dollar a
 gram, as I recall, and then we both sold Valera super-cheaply.
 Percentage-wise we made a nice return, but the fact is that by having offered
 it so ine
  xpensively, a perceived valuation was created for a meteorite that should be
 selling today for easily $250+/g.
 
 If you have a specimen of Valera---treasure it.   If you don't have one, you
 might consider getting some from somewhere as the price has been rapidly
 escalating of late.  This past June at a Heritage Auction, a 309 gram specimen
 sold for $5,975 or about $20/g.  I'm informed that small specimens today
 typically sell for $25/gram and more---and as you know, getting from $2.50/g
 to $25/g is the hard part.
 
 I'll never forget when I was on the exhibit floor at a Bonhams sale a couple
 of years back and someone declared, I don't think Valera killed a cow---it's
 selling for MUCH too little for having done so.  That was such a funny notion
 to me...how MY screw-up fueled an inaccurate impression.   (I did not mention
 my role to the fellow   ;-)
 
 
 

[meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers (Barbotan)

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

One of these stones, fifteen inches in diameter, broke
through the roof of a cottage, and killed a herdsman and a bullock. After
reading the above statement, we cannot refrain from wondering at the slow
belief of philosophers as to the heavenly origin of these stones. Where was 
the

body to come from, a body of the dimensions described, which was capable of
breaking through tho roof of a cottage, and committing such deadly havoc, if 
it

did not come from the atmosphere, ay, and from an immense height too ?


---

They probably thought it was launched from a catapault?

Phil Whitmer 


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[meteorite-list] Pena Blanca Spring Near-Hammerstone

[JoshuaTreeMuseum]

Here's an interesting account of what could have been a multiple death 
hammerstone incident:


http://www.minsocam.org/ammin/AM32/AM32_354.pdf



Phil Whitmer 


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Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP re Valera - documentation?

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi,

Don't put much faith in this particular recollection, but I seem to recall that 
we don't know.  I'm already back in touch with Professor Ferrin and will 
attempt to answer allit's my hope to induce him to write the comprehensive 
piece previously referred to.   ;-)   

Best / d 


On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Michael Blood wrote:

 Hi Darryl,
Thanks for the added info.
Can you tell us if the material out there is from the actual
 Hammer stone that killed the cow - or is some of it so and the rest
 From additional rocks of the fall?
This would be valuable to know.
Thanks, Michael
 
 On 11/20/11 11:03 PM, Met. Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 
 
 VALERA REVISITED
 
 Hi, 
 
 While not among my favorite stories, as you'll soon discover---I have no 
 doubt
 whatsoever Valera killed a cow.  In brief, there was far more data collected
 than the affidavit (which was one person's mere summary of events).
 
 Here's the story:
 
 Shepherded by Marty Zinn---the impresario of the Tucson Mineral and Fossil
 Shows---Valera was first offered at the Macovich Auction 11 or 12 Tucson's
 ago. Professor Ignacio Ferrin---a Venezuelan astronomer...and quite the
 gentlemanacquired the meteorite after word of its existence wound its way
 to him.  Marty heard from Professor Ferrin who directed him to me, and he
 consigned Valera to our auction.
 
 For those who are unaware, the clavicle of an otherwise healthy cow was
 shattered and odd stones---only much later determined to be meteoritic---were
 found near the carcass. The sonic phenomena associated with a meteorite fall
 were experienced.  Two large fragments from one mass were recovered (~35 and
 7.5 kg), and left outside, one of which was used as a doorstop over a period
 of years---I imagine the lighter of the two.  A third smaller specimen which 
 I
 vaguely recall as being pretty much complete had been brought inside and was
 quite fresh.  The specimens in circulation come from the larger fragments.
 
 Professor Ferrin gathered far more information other than his procurement of
 the affidavit.  He has long been exasperated by the ongoing questioning of
 Valera's killer provenance by the meteorite collecting community, and has
 gone on-record addressing this topic more than once.
 
 There are two important points worth mentioning here---both of which are
 rather ironic. 
 
 1.  It's important to recall that Ferrin was informed that the farm owner on
 whose property the meteorite fell, physician Argimiro Gonzalez, didn't think
 anything at all of this event.  Dr. Gonzalez was well aware that rocks fell
 out of the sky, and so it seemed entirely reasonable to him that such impacts
 would occasionally result in fatalities.  Without the rocks ever having been
 analyzed, Gonzalez, and later his family, considered the rocks as
 extraterrestrial curiosities---a conclusion which resulted from a dead animal
 which had been pulverized by blunt force trauma whose instrument rested
 nearby.  It was the simplest explanation and somewhat a different tack than
 would be taken by the meteorite community:  simply expressed, Gonzalez
 concluded as a result of a death that what he had must be a meteorite.  It 
 was
 many years later that Ferrin heard the story, confirmed Gonzalez's hypothesis
 and facilitated Valera's classification.
 
 2.   Every few years I have to admit to having undermined Valera's 
 exceptional
 provenance, and here's how:
 
 The larger of the two massess did not sell at our auction (it was a big rock
 and pricey---while extremely inexpensive on a per/gram basis) and Ferrin
 suddenly found himself in an unexpected financial bind.  He did not have
 particularly high expectations for how much it should sell---but he 
 absolutely
 expected it would sell, and now he was stuck---and he didn't want to take 40+
 kg of rocks back to Venezuela.  I felt badly as I was confident it would 
 sell,
 and informed Ferrin of the same prior to his decision to bring Valera to
 Arizona.  So I decided I would purchase it---but by doing so I now put myself
 in a huge financial pinch.  So what did I do?  The most foolish thing I've
 ever done in meteorites:  while I don't recall the precise numbers, I sold a
 portion of the rock to another dealer for about my cost...perhaps a dollar a
 gram, as I recall, and then we both sold Valera super-cheaply.
 Percentage-wise we made a nice return, but the fact is that by having offered
 it so ine
 xpensively, a perceived valuation was created for a meteorite that should be
 selling today for easily $250+/g.
 
 If you have a specimen of Valera---treasure it.   If you don't have one, you
 might consider getting some from somewhere as the price has been rapidly
 escalating of late.  This past June at a Heritage Auction, a 309 gram 
 specimen
 sold for $5,975 or about $20/g.  I'm informed that small specimens today
 typically sell for $25/gram and more---and as you know, getting from $2.50/g
 to $25/g is 

Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP re Valera - documentation?

[Yinan Wang]

Get out your CSI kit and check for blood using Luminol on your fusion
crusted pieces! :)

-Yinan

On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:


 Hi,

 Don't put much faith in this particular recollection, but I seem to recall 
 that we don't know.  I'm already back in touch with Professor Ferrin and will 
 attempt to answer allit's my hope to induce him to write the 
 comprehensive piece previously referred to.   ;-)

 Best / d


 On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Michael Blood wrote:

 Hi Darryl,
        Thanks for the added info.
        Can you tell us if the material out there is from the actual
 Hammer stone that killed the cow - or is some of it so and the rest
 From additional rocks of the fall?
        This would be valuable to know.
        Thanks, Michael

 On 11/20/11 11:03 PM, Met. Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:



 VALERA REVISITED

 Hi,

 While not among my favorite stories, as you'll soon discover---I have no 
 doubt
 whatsoever Valera killed a cow.  In brief, there was far more data collected
 than the affidavit (which was one person's mere summary of events).

 Here's the story:

 Shepherded by Marty Zinn---the impresario of the Tucson Mineral and Fossil
 Shows---Valera was first offered at the Macovich Auction 11 or 12 Tucson's
 ago. Professor Ignacio Ferrin---a Venezuelan astronomer...and quite the
 gentlemanacquired the meteorite after word of its existence wound its 
 way
 to him.  Marty heard from Professor Ferrin who directed him to me, and he
 consigned Valera to our auction.

 For those who are unaware, the clavicle of an otherwise healthy cow was
 shattered and odd stones---only much later determined to be 
 meteoritic---were
 found near the carcass. The sonic phenomena associated with a meteorite fall
 were experienced.  Two large fragments from one mass were recovered (~35 and
 7.5 kg), and left outside, one of which was used as a doorstop over a period
 of years---I imagine the lighter of the two.  A third smaller specimen 
 which I
 vaguely recall as being pretty much complete had been brought inside and was
 quite fresh.  The specimens in circulation come from the larger fragments.

 Professor Ferrin gathered far more information other than his procurement of
 the affidavit.  He has long been exasperated by the ongoing questioning of
 Valera's killer provenance by the meteorite collecting community, and has
 gone on-record addressing this topic more than once.

 There are two important points worth mentioning here---both of which are
 rather ironic.

 1.  It's important to recall that Ferrin was informed that the farm owner on
 whose property the meteorite fell, physician Argimiro Gonzalez, didn't think
 anything at all of this event.  Dr. Gonzalez was well aware that rocks fell
 out of the sky, and so it seemed entirely reasonable to him that such 
 impacts
 would occasionally result in fatalities.  Without the rocks ever having been
 analyzed, Gonzalez, and later his family, considered the rocks as
 extraterrestrial curiosities---a conclusion which resulted from a dead 
 animal
 which had been pulverized by blunt force trauma whose instrument rested
 nearby.  It was the simplest explanation and somewhat a different tack than
 would be taken by the meteorite community:  simply expressed, Gonzalez
 concluded as a result of a death that what he had must be a meteorite.  It 
 was
 many years later that Ferrin heard the story, confirmed Gonzalez's 
 hypothesis
 and facilitated Valera's classification.

 2.   Every few years I have to admit to having undermined Valera's 
 exceptional
 provenance, and here's how:

 The larger of the two massess did not sell at our auction (it was a big rock
 and pricey---while extremely inexpensive on a per/gram basis) and Ferrin
 suddenly found himself in an unexpected financial bind.  He did not have
 particularly high expectations for how much it should sell---but he 
 absolutely
 expected it would sell, and now he was stuck---and he didn't want to take 
 40+
 kg of rocks back to Venezuela.  I felt badly as I was confident it would 
 sell,
 and informed Ferrin of the same prior to his decision to bring Valera to
 Arizona.  So I decided I would purchase it---but by doing so I now put 
 myself
 in a huge financial pinch.  So what did I do?  The most foolish thing I've
 ever done in meteorites:  while I don't recall the precise numbers, I sold a
 portion of the rock to another dealer for about my cost...perhaps a dollar a
 gram, as I recall, and then we both sold Valera super-cheaply.
 Percentage-wise we made a nice return, but the fact is that by having 
 offered
 it so ine
 xpensively, a perceived valuation was created for a meteorite that should be
 selling today for easily $250+/g.

 If you have a specimen of Valera---treasure it.   If you don't have one, you
 might consider getting some from somewhere as the price has been rapidly
 escalating of late.  This past June at a Heritage Auction, a 309 gram 
 

[meteorite-list] An Entomologist

[bill kies]

Hi all,

 

Can anyone send me contact information for the entomologist that offered the 
opinion that the Park Forest termites were indeed casualties of the Garza home 
impact?

 

Thanks,

Bill  
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[meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[Jim Strope]

I went to visit and take photos of the Main Mass of New Concord which is housed 
a the Marietta College in Marietta, OH.

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/newconcord.htm

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/

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Re: [meteorite-list] RSVP re Valera - documentation?

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi, 

That's very funny---and not just!!!

Related to the foregoing, I just heard from the owner of the small 4.195kg 
specimen.  He confirmed it's extremely fresh, that it has approximately 50% 
crust and that he acquired it from Al Lang (who purchased it at the Macovich 
Auction previously referred to) and that a picture of it can be seen on Al's 
site:  http://www.nyrockman.com/museum-12.htm


All the best / d 



On Nov 21, 2011, at 4:47 PM, Yinan Wang wrote:

 Get out your CSI kit and check for blood using Luminol on your fusion
 crusted pieces! :)
 
 -Yinan
 
 On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 4:28 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Don't put much faith in this particular recollection, but I seem to recall 
 that we don't know.  I'm already back in touch with Professor Ferrin and 
 will attempt to answer allit's my hope to induce him to write the 
 comprehensive piece previously referred to.   ;-)
 
 Best / d
 
 
 On Nov 21, 2011, at 12:53 PM, Michael Blood wrote:
 
 Hi Darryl,
Thanks for the added info.
Can you tell us if the material out there is from the actual
 Hammer stone that killed the cow - or is some of it so and the rest
 From additional rocks of the fall?
This would be valuable to know.
Thanks, Michael
 
 On 11/20/11 11:03 PM, Met. Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 
 
 VALERA REVISITED
 
 Hi,
 
 While not among my favorite stories, as you'll soon discover---I have no 
 doubt
 whatsoever Valera killed a cow.  In brief, there was far more data 
 collected
 than the affidavit (which was one person's mere summary of events).
 
 Here's the story:
 
 Shepherded by Marty Zinn---the impresario of the Tucson Mineral and Fossil
 Shows---Valera was first offered at the Macovich Auction 11 or 12 Tucson's
 ago. Professor Ignacio Ferrin---a Venezuelan astronomer...and quite the
 gentlemanacquired the meteorite after word of its existence wound its 
 way
 to him.  Marty heard from Professor Ferrin who directed him to me, and he
 consigned Valera to our auction.
 
 For those who are unaware, the clavicle of an otherwise healthy cow was
 shattered and odd stones---only much later determined to be 
 meteoritic---were
 found near the carcass. The sonic phenomena associated with a meteorite 
 fall
 were experienced.  Two large fragments from one mass were recovered (~35 
 and
 7.5 kg), and left outside, one of which was used as a doorstop over a 
 period
 of years---I imagine the lighter of the two.  A third smaller specimen 
 which I
 vaguely recall as being pretty much complete had been brought inside and 
 was
 quite fresh.  The specimens in circulation come from the larger fragments.
 
 Professor Ferrin gathered far more information other than his procurement 
 of
 the affidavit.  He has long been exasperated by the ongoing questioning of
 Valera's killer provenance by the meteorite collecting community, and has
 gone on-record addressing this topic more than once.
 
 There are two important points worth mentioning here---both of which are
 rather ironic.
 
 1.  It's important to recall that Ferrin was informed that the farm owner 
 on
 whose property the meteorite fell, physician Argimiro Gonzalez, didn't 
 think
 anything at all of this event.  Dr. Gonzalez was well aware that rocks fell
 out of the sky, and so it seemed entirely reasonable to him that such 
 impacts
 would occasionally result in fatalities.  Without the rocks ever having 
 been
 analyzed, Gonzalez, and later his family, considered the rocks as
 extraterrestrial curiosities---a conclusion which resulted from a dead 
 animal
 which had been pulverized by blunt force trauma whose instrument rested
 nearby.  It was the simplest explanation and somewhat a different tack than
 would be taken by the meteorite community:  simply expressed, Gonzalez
 concluded as a result of a death that what he had must be a meteorite.  It 
 was
 many years later that Ferrin heard the story, confirmed Gonzalez's 
 hypothesis
 and facilitated Valera's classification.
 
 2.   Every few years I have to admit to having undermined Valera's 
 exceptional
 provenance, and here's how:
 
 The larger of the two massess did not sell at our auction (it was a big 
 rock
 and pricey---while extremely inexpensive on a per/gram basis) and Ferrin
 suddenly found himself in an unexpected financial bind.  He did not have
 particularly high expectations for how much it should sell---but he 
 absolutely
 expected it would sell, and now he was stuck---and he didn't want to take 
 40+
 kg of rocks back to Venezuela.  I felt badly as I was confident it would 
 sell,
 and informed Ferrin of the same prior to his decision to bring Valera to
 Arizona.  So I decided I would purchase it---but by doing so I now put 
 myself
 in a huge financial pinch.  So what did I do?  The most foolish thing I've
 ever done in meteorites:  while I don't recall the precise numbers, I sold 
 a
 portion of the rock to another dealer for about my 

Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[almitt2]

Hi Frank and all,

This is one that I have wanted to chase down. Need to look at what 
Farrington had to say on the fall. Thought I would go over to the area 
sometime and do a search at the libraries in the area and try to get 
some definitive proof (if there is proof in a newspaper article) on the 
account.


I've certainly sold enough New Concord that it would be nice to know 
one way or the other. In my information cards I list a colt being 
killed and not sure at this time what source of information it came from
but the information comes from about two decades back and probably from 
my own collection piece.


Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites



 Quoting Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net:


Hello all,

Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a

colt (or

horse), I cringe.  Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that

a dog was

killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone. 

In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the



New Concord
fall.  All these were published shortly after the fall and not one



mentions any
animal being killed.  The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith,

professors
E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the 
fall, and who

wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse

or animal

being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large

root, and

others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence.  It



was mentioned
thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S

HEAD. 



The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine

eliminator is Prior
and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953.  The 
first catalogue

(1923) makes no mention of this incident.

So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the

Fall.  To those

who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the

original

reference.

All the best,

Frank

- Original Message 
From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; 
Meteorite List

meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 1:05:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers

I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as

informative

As the best of the bunch:

REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES:

Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting
        Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side,

the

        photo of which is famous, there have been other

documented

        Hammers which nailed living critters:

(NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical

references

              nor the Roman report of a legion being killed)

1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt.

1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals
        which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was
        ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted,
        left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an

area

        of eight hundred square miles.

1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka
        wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was
        false. However, in a series of heated debates on The

List,

        Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own,
        presenting credible arguments that left at least a

crack of

        doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue.

(These

        rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of

Meteorite

        Central).

1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes,

owns

        the original, signed and notarized papers on this one).

1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and
        holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had

been

considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree
        before striking the boy:
        http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg

2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking
      the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death

taking

        place at the time of the impact.

2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama.


ADDENDUM:


5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?

        2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by

Sonny

Clary's dog, Brix

        Best wishes, Michael


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Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[Chris Spratt]

See:

Buddhue, J.D., Meteoritics, 1, 389

Spratt, C.E., 1991, JRASC, 85, 263-280

And references therein.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[Shawn Alan]

I found references dating back to 1951 and 1952 concerning the New Concord and 
the killing of a horse..

[17] LaPaz (1951), Pop. Astron. 59, 433 

1.   Galaxy magazine: Volume 4, Issues 1-6 
books.google.com1952 - Snippet view
lbs. fell into a room with three sleeping children, covered them with debris 
without doing other harm 1860, May 1, 12:45 PM: colt killedat New Concord, Ohio 
J870, January 23, 7:00 PM: a man was very narrowly missed by a meteoriteat ...  

1.   Contributions: Volume 5, Issue 1 
books.google.comMeteoritical Society- 1951 - Snippet view
1860May 1, 12:45 pm A stone of the recognized New Concord, Ohio, shower killeda 
colt. (JC Steele) 11. 1870 Jan. 23, 7:00 pm The recognized Nedagolla, India, 
meteoritestruck so close to a man that he was stunned. (GH Saxton) 12. ... 
Add to My Library▼ 

This would make this suggested horse killing 60 years in the making.

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html









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Buddhue, J.D., Meteoritics, 1, 389 

Spratt, C.E., 1991, JRASC, 85, 263-280 

And references therein. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[Jim Strope]

Yes, at the time it was stored out of sight.   I asked to see it and it was no 
problem.  I made some donations to their small collection. 

It is a very nice small campus and there is a prehistoric mound in Marietta too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mound_Cemetery_(Marietta,_Ohio)

Jim Strope 
421 Fourth Street 
Glen Dale, WV  26038 

http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ 


From: Galactic Stone  Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com 
To: Jim Strope nwa...@comcast.net 
Cc: meteorite central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 6:22:29 PM 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord 

Hi Jim and List, 

That is awesome.  Thanks for sharing those photos!  Did you get to 
touch or hold the mass? 

Best regards, 

MikeG 

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 I went to visit and take photos of the Main Mass of New Concord which is 
 housed a the Marietta College in Marietta, OH. 
 
 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/newconcord.htm 
 
 Jim Strope 
 421 Fourth Street 
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[meteorite-list] NASA Updates Prelaunch Events For Mars Science Lab Mission

[Ron Baalke]

Nov. 21, 2011

Dwayne Brown 
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-1726 
dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov 

Allard Beutel 
Kennedy Space Center, Fla. 
321-867-2468 
allard.beu...@nasa.gov 

MEDIA ADVISORY: M11-238

NASA UPDATES PRELAUNCH EVENTS FOR MARS SCIENCE LAB MISSION

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- NASA has updated the news conferences, events 
and operating hours for the press site at NASA's Kennedy Space 
Center, Fla., for the agency's Mars Science Laboratory (MSL) 
Curiosity rover launch. 

MSL is scheduled to liftoff at 10:02 a.m. EST on Nov. 26 from Space 
Launch Complex 41 at nearby Cape Canaveral Air Force Station (CCAFS). 

NASA Television's countdown launch commentary begins at 7:30 a.m. on 
Nov. 26. That also is when a NASA blog will begin providing countdown 
updates. Originating from CCAFS Hangar AE, the blog is the definitive 
Internet source for information leading up to liftoff. 

Detailed lists of news briefing times and participants, prelaunch 
media tours and photo opportunities and hours of operation for 
Kennedy's press site are available at: 

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/msl/news/index.html 

The Curiosity rover has 10 science instruments to search for evidence 
about whether Mars had environments favorable for microbial life, 
including the chemical ingredients for life. The rover will use a 
laser to look inside rocks and release their gasses so its 
spectrometer can analyze and send the data back to Earth. 

Free wireless Internet access currently is not available at Kennedy's 
press site. Media representatives must bring their own equipment for 
wireless connectivity. 

For NASA TV streaming video, scheduling and downlink information, 
visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/ntv 

For the latest online information on the MSL mission, visit: 

http://www.nasa.gov/msl 

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[meteorite-list] From Earth to Gale: Curiosity Aims for Martian Dry Lake Bed (MSL)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/atlas/av028/21gale/index.html

From Earth to Gale: Curiosity aims for Martian dry lake bed
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
November 21, 2011

The Curiosity rover is heading for a potential Martian dry lake bed the
size of Los Angeles adorned with ragged rock formations and a colossal
three-mile-high mountain.

Relying on a new descent system capable of pinpoint landings, the robot
will touch down Aug. 6, 2012, and drive uphill to analyze layers of clay
minerals that likely formed in the presence of abundant water.

It will be a lot like areas in the Southwest [United States], places
like Monument Valley where we'll see these big cliffs with the rover
going between them, said Dawn Sumner, a geologist at the University of
California, Davis.

The 96-mile-wide Gale crater is marked with clays and sulfates at the
base of a 15,000-foot-tall mountain. If the mission lasts long enough,
Curiosity could climb the mound and study a range of minerals from long
ago.

In one location, we can drive the rover through all these successive
different environments and sample these different periods in Martian
history, said John Grotzinger, the chief researcher for the Curiosity
rover at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif.

Curiosty will take a set of stereo eyes, a sensor-laden robotic arm with
a scoop, and instruments to smell and taste soil in search of organic
molecules, the building blocks of life. The rover even carries a
microscope and a laser to zap rocks from several feet away.

Liftoff is scheduled for Saturday aboard an Atlas 5 rocket launched from
Cape Canaveral, Fla.

After considering 60 landing site candidates, scientists recommended
Gale crater as Curiosity's destination because it offered the widest
array of geologic research opportunities, giving the rover a window into
a large period of Martian history.

There was a preference for Gale in that it's not a one-trick pony,
said Michael Meyer, the lead scientist for NASA's Mars programs. There
are several different environmental settings that can be explored, any
one of which might have the possibility of [holding] organic compounds.

The exploration of scenic Gale crater will also return thousands of
images from Curiosity's cameras.

Positioned just south of the Martian equator, the crater's central peak
is taller than any mountain in the continental United States.

After touching down on relatively flat terrain a few miles from the base
of the mound, Curiosity will drive south toward the peak and begin to
climb thousands of feet up its flank, pausing to examine clay and
sulfate salt minerals along the way, Grotzinger said.

Dried-up stream channels along the edge of the mound will allow access
up the mountain.

Curiosity's mission is supposed to last two years after landing, but
scientists are hopeful the rover will continue the climb up Gale's lofty
mountain for years more. Scientists say the most attractive scientific
targets are near the base of the central mountain, ensuring the rover
will produce quality results early in the mission.

The rover's mobility system has the ability to climb a 20-degree
incline. It's designed to drive at least 12 miles, according to Michael
Watkins, an MSL project engineer at JPL.

Geologists like climbing up cliffs, and we get to go to those places
with this rover for the first time on Mars, Sumner said.

As the rover ascends the mountain, it will encounter rocks and soil left
behind as waters receded when Mars transitioned from a warm, wet planet
into the cold and desolate world known today.

Curiosity's analysis of clays and sulfates will tell scientists how much
water was once present at Gale, the characteristics of the water and how
it evaporated, according to Sumner.

What we've learned is if you start at the bottom of the layers and you
work your way to the top, it's like reading a novel, Grotzinger said.
And we think Gale is going to be a great novel.

Curiosity is not designed to directly detect life or find a fossil. It
would have to be extremely lucky to find ironclad evidence of life,
Meyer said.

But the clay minerals at Gale crater could hold rich deposits of organic
compounds and could point scientists closer toward their holy grail of
solving the Martian life mystery.

Curiosity's robot arm will dump soil into a sample analysis instrument
on the rover's main deck, where an oven and solvents will release
chemicals to be observed with laser and mass spectrometers and a gas
chromatograph. The high-tech device will sense and characterize
carbon-based molecules.

If Curiosity can find elusive carbon-based organic material inside
Gale's rocks, scientists will obtain evidence that the ingredients for
life were once plentiful on Mars.

NASA selected Gale from four finalists scattered across the Red Planet's
surface. Science return and safety were the two primary decision drivers.

Using high-resolution imagery from a sharp-eyed camera on NASA's Mars
Reconnaissance 

[meteorite-list] Crippled Space Probe Bound for Second Chance at Venus (Akatsuki)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n/21akatsuki/

Crippled space probe bound for second chance at Venus
BY STEPHEN CLARK 
SPACEFLIGHT NOW
November 21, 2011

Japan's Akatsuki probe completed a three-part series of course
correction maneuvers Monday, lining up the spacecraft for a second
chance to reach Venus in late 2015 after an engine failure curbed plans
to orbit the sweltering, cloud-covered planet one year ago.

Flying on a spiraling trajectory through the inner solar system,
Akatsuki fired its reaction control system thrusters three times in
November to adjust its trajectory, setting up the spacecraft for another
chance to enter orbit around Venus in November 2015.

The first two burns occurred Nov. 1 and Nov. 10, and each maneuver
lasted almost 10 minutes. The final thruster firing Monday finished the
task Monday as Akatsuki reach perihelion, or the closest point to the
sun in its orbit.

All three maneuvers went well, according to Seiichi Sakamoto, a mission
spokesperson at the Institute of Space and Astronautical Science.

Engineers turned to Akatsuki's smaller attitude control thrusters after
failing to recover the craft's main engine, which shut down too early
during a critical firing in December 2010 to enter orbit around Venus.

The engine burned for less than three minutes Dec. 6, much shorter than
the length necessary to slow the spacecraft enough to slip into orbit.

A faulty valve or obstruction near the throat of the main engine nozzle
may have caused the failure, and Japan's space agency said the engine
may have gradually been damaged due to the anomaly.

Controllers tried to fire the engine again in September, but it
generated a small fraction of its total thrust. The outcome of the
engine test compelled Japanese officials to use Akatsuku's healthy, but
less powerful thrusters.

Engineers sent commands in October to the probe to dump some of its
propellant to reduce its mass ahead of the thruster firings this month.

The three maneuvers were crucial for Akatsuki to have a chance to reach
Venus again, but Sakamoto said it's still not certain if the probe would
be able to enter orbit in 2015. Other opportunities are available in
subsequent years, he said.
 
Akatsuki is Japan's second interplanetary mission to miss its target.

The Nozomi mission missed two chances to orbit Mars. The robotic orbiter
was supposed to arrive at Mars in 1999, but a valve malfunction left the
probe without enough propellant to reach the Red Planet. Officials
replanned the mission to enter Martian orbit in 2003, but a solar flare
zapped the spacecraft in 2002 and left it too damaged to attempt any
arrival maneuvers at Mars.

Japan's Hayabusa mission missed its first chance to return to Earth with
precious samples from the surface of an asteroid, but engineers devised
a novel way to control the craft with ion thrusters and the probe limped
back to Earth in 2010.

Akatsuki means dawn in Japanese, honoring the common position of Venus
as the morning star in twilight skies.

Before the probe's launch in May 2010, Japanese space officials called
Akatsuki the first interplanetary weather satellite, and it carries a
suite of five cameras each designed to study a specific slice of the
Venusian atmosphere, according to the Japan Aerospace Exploration
Agency, or JAXA.

With a runaway greenhouse effect driving surface temperatures to nearly
900 degrees Fahrenheit and whipping high-altitude winds reaching 225
mph, Venus is a planet like no other in the solar system.

Previously called Planet-C and Venus Climate Orbiter, the $300 million
mission was designed to observe the high-speed jet stream, study the
source of sulfuric acid clouds, snap the first pictures of lightning at
Venus, and search for active volcanoes.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[Ruben Garcia]

Hi all,

So, After a few days and LOTS of email responses both on and off list
here's what I have learned.

1. Q. How many meteorites hit the ground per year?
   A. On average about 1 per square mile per thousand years. About
20,000 to 40,000 per year.

No one challenged this answer so I'm assuming I was at least
reasonably correct.

2. Q. Has anyone ever been hit by a meteorite?
   A. I only know of Ann Hodges - Sylacauga, Alabama, USA

Everyone agreed that this answer was correct but added the following.

a. Barbotan may have killed a farmer- but who really knows? After all,
1790 was a long time ago.
b. A pea sized Mbale ricocheted off of a tree and struck a boy...

3. Q. Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?
   A. I'm not sure... there are stories of a dog and a cow being hit...but?

Top 5 answers:
a. Park forest meteorite killed termites - while most humans thought
it was no big deal apparently the termites felt differently.
b. Valera may or may not have killed a horse.
c. New Concord may or may not have killed a horse.
d. Nakhla most likely killed nothing but still looks good on a website..: )
e. Surprisingly no one even asked about Vaca Muerta (Spanish for dead cow)

4. Q. How often does a city ending meteorite (think Canyon Diablo)
strike the earth?
   A. ?

Guesses ranged from 20,000 to 40,000 years ago to Sikhote Alin in 1947.

5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?
   A. Sorry,  I just threw that one in to see if you were paying
attentionlol

6. Q. How much in weight does the earth gain per year by all the
meteorites that enter our atmosphere? Including all, from tiny grain
of sand meteorites to large bunker-busters.
   A. No clue..

Seems like my no clue answer is (so far) just about as good as the others.




Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[MexicoDoug]

5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?
   A. Sorry,  I just threw that one in to see if you were paying 
attentionlol


Hey Ruben,

Too funny --- But I can think of a few friends who would be contenders 
for this one.


The rest sounds good enough for government work!  Go for it, best of 
luck!


Doug



-Original Message-
From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com
To: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com
Cc: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; bpsun2009 
bpsun2...@gmail.com

Sent: Mon, Nov 21, 2011 11:52 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking


Hi all,

So, After a few days and LOTS of email responses both on and off list
here's what I have learned.

1. Q. How many meteorites hit the ground per year?
  A. On average about 1 per square mile per thousand years. About
20,000 to 40,000 per year.

No one challenged this answer so I'm assuming I was at least
reasonably correct.

2. Q. Has anyone ever been hit by a meteorite?
  A. I only know of Ann Hodges - Sylacauga, Alabama, USA

Everyone agreed that this answer was correct but added the following.

a. Barbotan may have killed a farmer- but who really knows? After all,
1790 was a long time ago.
b. A pea sized Mbale ricocheted off of a tree and struck a boy...

3. Q. Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?
   A. I'm not sure... there are stories of a dog and a cow being 
hit...but?


Top 5 answers:
a. Park forest meteorite killed termites - while most humans thought
it was no big deal apparently the termites felt differently.
b. Valera may or may not have killed a horse.
c. New Concord may or may not have killed a horse.
d. Nakhla most likely killed nothing but still looks good on a 
website..: )
e. Surprisingly no one even asked about Vaca Muerta (Spanish for dead 
cow)


4. Q. How often does a city ending meteorite (think Canyon Diablo)
strike the earth?
  A. ?

Guesses ranged from 20,000 to 40,000 years ago to Sikhote Alin in 1947.

5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?
  A. Sorry,  I just threw that one in to see if you were paying
attentionlol

6. Q. How much in weight does the earth gain per year by all the
meteorites that enter our atmosphere? Including all, from tiny grain
of sand meteorites to large bunker-busters.
  A. No clue..

Seems like my no clue answer is (so far) just about as good as the 
others.





Rock On!

Ruben Garcia

Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net
Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord

[al mitt]

Hi Frank and all,

This is one that I have wanted to chase down. Need to look at what 
Farrington had to say on the fall. Thought I would go over to the area 
sometime and do a search at the libaries in the area and try to get some 
definitive proof (if there is proof in a newspaper article) on the account.


I've certainly sold enough New Concord that it would be nice to know one way 
or the other. In my information cards I list a colt being killed and not 
sure at this time what source of information it came from
but the information comes from about two decades back and probably from my 
own collection piece.


Best!

--AL Mitterling
Mitterling Meteorites

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Cressy fcre...@prodigy.net

To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 12:56 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers / New Concord


Hello all,

Every time I see that the New Concord meteorite hit and killed a colt (or
horse), I cringe. Maybe Kevin K. does the same when he hears that a dog was
killed (or turned to ashes) by a Nakhla stone.

In 2006 Mark Bostick collected over 15 newspaper accounts about the New 
Concord
fall. All these were published shortly after the fall and not one mentions 
any

animal being killed. The leading authorities (J. Lawrence Smith, professors
E.B. Andrews and E.W. EVANS of Murietta College) who studied the fall, and 
who

wrote in great detail of the fall circumstances, mention no horse or animal
being killed even though they wrote that a stone severed a large root, and
others smashed a log, hit a barn and broke a rail of a fence. It was 
mentioned

thougth, that a man saw a stone fall THREE FEET FROM HIS HORSE'S HEAD.


The first reference I can find about a New Concord equine eliminator is 
Prior
and Hay's Second Catalogue of Meteorites published in 1953. The first 
catalogue

(1923) makes no mention of this incident.

So I would have to rate this story as another Legend of the Fall. To those
who don't agree I'd certainly appreciate them pointing me to the original
reference.

All the best,

Frank

- Original Message 
From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
To: Met. Anne Black impact...@aol.com; mrmeteor...@gmail.com; Meteorite 
List

meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Sun, November 20, 2011 1:05:12 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Stat. Speaking / killer Hammers

I am responding using Anne's responses, as they seemed as informative
As the best of the bunch:

REGARDING METEORITES THAT STUCK LIVING CREATURES:

Other than the most famous of all, the 1947 Sylacauga hitting
Hulitt Hodges and leaving a huge bruise on her side, the
photo of which is famous, there have been other documented
Hammers which nailed living critters:

(NOTE: the list below does not include some of the biblical references
nor the Roman report of a legion being killed)

1860 New Concord Ohio meteorite struck and killed a colt.

1908 TUNGUSKA, Russia killed countless forest animals
which inevitably inhabited the remote forest which was
ripped asunder when eighty million trees were blasted,
left lying on their sides in a radial pattern over an area
of eight hundred square miles.

1911 Nakhla, Egypt fall reportedly killed a dog. Kevin Kichinka
wrote a thorough article concluding that the rumor was
false. However, in a series of heated debates on The List,
Between Kevin and Ron Balke. The latter held his own,
presenting credible arguments that left at least a crack of
doubt as to the possibility of regarding the issue. (These
rousing debates can be read in the List Archives of Meteorite
Central).

1972 Valera is documented up the yin yang (Darryl Pitt, I believes, owns
the original, signed and notarized papers on this one).

1992 Dutch Meteorite Society photo of Ugandan boy struck by and
holding a 3g Mbale meteorite, the force of which had been
considerably diminished having passed through a banana tree
before striking the boy:
http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MbaleBoyW.jpg

2003 Park Forrest fall killed a minimum of 2 termites when striking
the Garza house. An entomologist attested to the death taking
place at the time of the impact.

2007 Carancas Peru impact shock force killed a ewe and a llama.


ADDENDUM:


5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?

2010 Mifflin, Wisconson, a 198g stone was recovered by Sonny
Clary's dog, Brix

Best wishes, Michael 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking/ Q. 6

[WS Schroer]

Hi Ruben, list,
Richard Norton writes on page 13 of 'Rocks from Space' that the earth 
collects between 35,000 and 100,000 tons of dust per year.


On page 290 of 'The Planetary Scientist's Companion' K. Lodders  B. Fegley, 
Jr. write that 'The infall rate of extraterrestrial  material is about 
10,000 tons per year, but meteorites constitute only a small fraction of 
this material, which is dominantly interplanetary dust particles (IDPs) from 
comets, asteroids, and other sources'.


H.H. Nininger's estimate of 50,000 tons per year ('Our Stone Pelted Planet', 
page 91) seems to be a credible figure.


Cheers
Werner Schroer
Australia



-Original Message- 
From: Ruben Garcia

Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:22 PM
To: bill kies
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; bpsun2...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

Hi all,

So, After a few days and LOTS of email responses both on and off list
here's what I have learned.

1. Q. How many meteorites hit the ground per year?
  A. On average about 1 per square mile per thousand years. About
20,000 to 40,000 per year.

No one challenged this answer so I'm assuming I was at least
reasonably correct.

2. Q. Has anyone ever been hit by a meteorite?
  A. I only know of Ann Hodges - Sylacauga, Alabama, USA

Everyone agreed that this answer was correct but added the following.

a. Barbotan may have killed a farmer- but who really knows? After all,
1790 was a long time ago.
b. A pea sized Mbale ricocheted off of a tree and struck a boy...

3. Q. Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?
  A. I'm not sure... there are stories of a dog and a cow being hit...but?

Top 5 answers:
a. Park forest meteorite killed termites - while most humans thought
it was no big deal apparently the termites felt differently.
b. Valera may or may not have killed a horse.
c. New Concord may or may not have killed a horse.
d. Nakhla most likely killed nothing but still looks good on a website..: )
e. Surprisingly no one even asked about Vaca Muerta (Spanish for dead cow)

4. Q. How often does a city ending meteorite (think Canyon Diablo)
strike the earth?
  A. ?

Guesses ranged from 20,000 to 40,000 years ago to Sikhote Alin in 1947.

5. Q. Has any animal ever found a meteorite?
  A. Sorry,  I just threw that one in to see if you were paying
attentionlol

6. Q. How much in weight does the earth gain per year by all the
meteorites that enter our atmosphere? Including all, from tiny grain
of sand meteorites to large bunker-busters.
  A. No clue..

Seems like my no clue answer is (so far) just about as good as the others.




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Re: [meteorite-list] Statistically Speaking

[almitt2]

Hi Ruben and all,

I think that the Vaca Muerta fall was simply found near a dead cow landmark.

Perhaps Steve Arnold or Geoff Notkin can shed some dead bones on this. :-)

Best!

--AL Mitterling

Quoting Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com:


Hi all,


3.Q Has any animal ever been hit by a meteorite?

e. Surprisingly no one even asked about Vaca Muerta (Spanish for dead cow)





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