Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock
Met with Petrus Jenniskens tonight in Novato at the at the original find site in order to re-examine the N01 stone (which had been returned to the finders). This was my first opportunity to examine this stone. I had my small microscope with me and I took some snap-shots down the eye-piece (see below). I will not comment on these images, preferring instead to honor Peter's request to keep tuned and allow him to make the first (second?third?) announcement. But I do want to thank the Rivera Family for inviting Peter and myself for dinner tonight. The food and wine were delicious, and the conversation was enthusiastic and jubilant (and not just because the Giants won game 1 of the World Series). A photo of Luis Rivera appears on the front page of today's local newspaper (Novato Advance): http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Meteorite-Discovered-in-Novato-Yard-175158691.html http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-60.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-63.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-68.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-72.jpg Images courtesy of Bob Verish. --- On Wed, 10/24/12, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 10:14 PM Hold on and keep tuned ! 2012, October 23 - There are more developments today. An apology may have been too hssty. We are waiting for confirmation of the new insight. Keep tuned. http://cams.seti.org/ Let's quote Phil: This is turning into a mystery wrapped inside an enigma. ;-) Martin Von: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock Datum: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:39:12 +0200 Shawn, I agree, the second rock doesn't look like a meteorite either. Has it been examined by an expert? Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Hello Listers Just found this, might be interesting for others that are hunting for meteorites in Novato area. After a fireball streaked across the Bay Area sky last Wednesday evening, scientists and locals alike have been on the hunt for pieces of the meteor that is believed to have made landfall in the Bay Area. On Tuesday the meteor astronomer with the SETI Institute who reported over the weekend that the first piece of the meteor was found after it hit the roof of a Novato home clarified that the suspected meteorite discovered there is actually a natural rock. Dr. Peter Jenniskens with the SETI Institute said on his NASA Ames Research Center webpage the house of administrative nurse at the University of California at San Francisco Lisa Webber was hit by something during the fireball's descent last Wednesday evening, but the meteorite remains elusive. After an examination using a petrographic microscope Monday, Jenniskens was able to conclude the rock was not a meteorite. He wrote Tuesday, I sincerely thought it was, based on what appeared to me was remnant fusion crust. On closer inspection, that crust was a product of weathering of a natural rock, not from the heat of entry. The 2-inch rock is 63 grams, dense and responds to a magnet, according to information from the SETI Institute, a nonprofit scientific and education organization that has projects sponsored by NASA and other foundations and research groups source: http://millvalley.patch.com/articles/intergalactic-false-alarm-novato-meteorite-is-just-a-rock The sample that was first found looks like the second sample that was found. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 10:45:11 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock It's also Spanish for No Go, literally. Also 'Novato' in spanish in fact means rookie, novice, ... Which is also kinda 'funny'. Best regards, Leo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Canyon Diablo Contributed by: Bob Evans http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock
Come on guys, how could you not tell if this is a meteorite? I can tell from the photos it looks just like most Park Forest stones. Of course after buying and selling and finding thousands of different meteorites I guess a lot of practice comes into play. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: Met with Petrus Jenniskens tonight in Novato at the at the original find site in order to re-examine the N01 stone (which had been returned to the finders). This was my first opportunity to examine this stone. I had my small microscope with me and I took some snap-shots down the eye-piece (see below). I will not comment on these images, preferring instead to honor Peter's request to keep tuned and allow him to make the first (second?third?) announcement. But I do want to thank the Rivera Family for inviting Peter and myself for dinner tonight. The food and wine were delicious, and the conversation was enthusiastic and jubilant (and not just because the Giants won game 1 of the World Series). A photo of Luis Rivera appears on the front page of today's local newspaper (Novato Advance): http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Meteorite-Discovered-in-Novato-Yard-175158691.html http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-60.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-63.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-68.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-72.jpg Images courtesy of Bob Verish. --- On Wed, 10/24/12, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: From: karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock To: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 10:14 PM Hold on and keep tuned ! 2012, October 23 - There are more developments today. An apology may have been too hssty. We are waiting for confirmation of the new insight. Keep tuned. http://cams.seti.org/ Let's quote Phil: This is turning into a mystery wrapped inside an enigma. ;-) Martin Von: JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock Datum: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:39:12 +0200 Shawn, I agree, the second rock doesn't look like a meteorite either. Has it been examined by an expert? Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum Hello Listers Just found this, might be interesting for others that are hunting for meteorites in Novato area. After a fireball streaked across the Bay Area sky last Wednesday evening, scientists and locals alike have been on the hunt for pieces of the meteor that is believed to have made landfall in the Bay Area. On Tuesday the meteor astronomer with the SETI Institute who reported over the weekend that the first piece of the meteor was found after it hit the roof of a Novato home clarified that the suspected meteorite discovered there is actually a natural rock. Dr. Peter Jenniskens with the SETI Institute said on his NASA Ames Research Center webpage the house of administrative nurse at the University of California at San Francisco Lisa Webber was hit by something during the fireball's descent last Wednesday evening, but the meteorite remains elusive. After an examination using a petrographic microscope Monday, Jenniskens was able to conclude the rock was not a meteorite. He wrote Tuesday, I sincerely thought it was, based on what appeared to me was remnant fusion crust. On closer inspection, that crust was a product of weathering of a natural rock, not from the heat of entry. The 2-inch rock is 63 grams, dense and responds to a magnet, according to information from the SETI Institute, a nonprofit scientific and education organization that has projects sponsored by NASA and other foundations and research groups source: http://millvalley.patch.com/articles/intergalactic-false-alarm-novato-meteorite-is-just-a-rock The sample that was first found looks like the second sample that was found. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Postfach fast voll? Jetzt kostenlos E-Mail Adresse @t-online.de sichern und endlich Platz für tausende Mails haben. http://www.t-online.de/email-kostenlos __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Novato, CA Meteorite photos and post
Dear List, Novato, CA Meteorite photos and post http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/10/california-two-meteorites-found-from.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock
HI Michael and Muenchen! Have a fantastic time and greet every one there from the good old USA! Yes, you can tell very easy from Bob's images that he just took yesterday evening. And yes several people did see the images from Peter J. (cams.seti.org) and Brien Cook's images and knew it was a meteorite. According to Bob though it looks similar to a tar covered piece of slag. He of course knew also from their images that they were meteorites! Have a good German beer for all of us and sell lots of meteorites! Enjoy, Moni From: m...@meteoriteguy.com Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 08:55:31 +0200 To: bolidecha...@yahoo.com CC: petrus.m.jennisk...@nasa.gov; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Intergalactic False Alarm: Novato Meteorite is Just a Rock Come on guys, how could you not tell if this is a meteorite? I can tell from the photos it looks just like most Park Forest stones. Of course after buying and selling and finding thousands of different meteorites I guess a lot of practice comes into play. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Oct 25, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: Met with Petrus Jenniskens tonight in Novato at the at the original find site in order to re-examine the N01 stone (which had been returned to the finders). This was my first opportunity to examine this stone. I had my small microscope with me and I took some snap-shots down the eye-piece (see below). I will not comment on these images, preferring instead to honor Peter's request to keep tuned and allow him to make the first (second?third?) announcement. But I do want to thank the Rivera Family for inviting Peter and myself for dinner tonight. The food and wine were delicious, and the conversation was enthusiastic and jubilant (and not just because the Giants won game 1 of the World Series). A photo of Luis Rivera appears on the front page of today's local newspaper (Novato Advance): http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Meteorite-Discovered-in-Novato-Yard-175158691.html http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-60.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-63.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-68.jpg http://meteorite-recovery.tripod.com/2012/n1/novato1-72.jpg Images courtesy of Bob Verish. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cassini Spacecraft Sees Huge Burp At Saturn After Large Storm
Oct. 25, 2012 Dwayne Brown Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1726 dwayne.c.br...@nasa.gov Elizabeth Zubritsky/Nancy Neal-Jones Goddard Space Flight, Center, Greenbelt, Md. 301-614-5438/301-286-0039 elizabeth.a.zubrit...@nasa.gov/nancy.n.jo...@nasa.gov Jia-Rui C. Cook Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. 818-354-0850 jcc...@jpl.nasa.gov RELEASE: 12-375 NASA SPACECRAFT SEES HUGE BURP AT SATURN AFTER LARGE STORM WASHINGTON -- NASA's Cassini spacecraft has tracked the aftermath of a rare massive storm on Saturn. Data reveal record-setting disturbances in the planet's upper atmosphere long after the visible signs of the storm abated, in addition to an indication the storm was more forceful than scientists previously thought. Data from Cassini's composite infrared spectrometer (CIRS) instrument revealed the storm's powerful discharge sent the temperature in Saturn's stratosphere soaring 150 degrees Fahrenheit (83 kelvins) above normal. At the same time, researchers at NASA's Goddard Spaceflight Center in Greenbelt, Md., detected a huge increase in the amount of ethylene gas, the origin of which is a mystery. Ethylene, an odorless, colorless gas, isn't typically observed on Saturn. On Earth, it is created by natural and man-made sources. Goddard scientists describe the unprecedented belch of energy in a paper to be published in the Nov. 20 issue of the Astrophysical Journal. This temperature spike is so extreme it's almost unbelievable, especially in this part of Saturn's atmosphere, which typically is very stable, said Brigette Hesman, the study's lead author and a University of Maryland scientist who works at Goddard. To get a temperature change of the same scale on Earth, you'd be going from the depths of winter in Fairbanks, Alaska, to the height of summer in the Mojave Desert. First detected by Cassini in Saturn's northern hemisphere on Dec. 5, 2010, the storm grew so large that an equivalent storm on Earth would blanket most of North America from north to south and wrap around our planet many times. This type of giant disturbance on Saturn typically occurs every 30 Earth years, or once every Saturn year. Not only was this the first storm of its kind to be studied by a spacecraft in orbit around the planet, but it was the first to be observed at thermal infrared wavelengths. Infrared data from CIRS allowed scientists to take the temperature of Saturn's atmosphere and to track phenomena that are invisible to the naked eye. Temperature measurements by CIRS, first published in May 2011, revealed two unusual beacons of warmer-than-normal air shining brightly in the stratosphere. These indicated a massive release of energy into the atmosphere. After the visible signs of the storm started to fade, CIRS data revealed the two beacons had merged. The temperature of this combined air mass shot up to more than minus 64 degrees Fahrenheit (above 220 kelvins). According to Hesman, the huge spike of ethylene generated at the same time peaked with 100 times more ethylene than scientists thought possible for Saturn. Goddard scientists confirmed the release of the gas using the Celeste spectrometer mounted on the McMath-Pierce Solar Telescope on Kitt Peak in Arizona. The team still is exploring the origin of the ethylene, but has ruled out a large reservoir deep in the atmosphere. We've really never been able to see ethylene on Saturn before, so this was a complete surprise, said Goddard's Michael Flasar, the CIRS team lead. A complementary paper led by Cassini team associate Leigh Fletcher of Oxford University, England, describes how the two stratospheric beacons merged to become the largest and hottest stratospheric vortex ever detected in our solar system. Initially, it was larger than Jupiter's Great Red Spot. Their paper in the journal Icarus, which combines CIRS data with additional infrared images from other Earth-based telescopes, including NASA's Infrared Telescope Facility at Mauna Kea, Hawaii, also reports a powerful collar of clockwise winds -- encompassing a bizarre soup of gases -- around the vortex. These studies will give us new insight into some of the photochemical processes at work in the stratospheres of Saturn, other giants in our solar system, and beyond, said Scott Edgington, Cassini deputy project scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency, and the Italian Space Agency. The mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Hesman's work was funded in part by NASA's Planetary Astronomy Program in Washington. The CIRS instrument and Celeste spectrometer were built at Goddard. To read more about the Fletcher paper, visit: http://www.esa.int/esaSC/SEMLPIMFL8H_index_0.html For information about Cassini and this observation, visit:
[meteorite-list] MBIQ Meteor Raw Data 24/25OCT2012
Dear List, I am in the process of creating a new website that MAY aid in the detection of meteor events. Comments and suggestion are appreciated. Thank you. This Website may later become a private database for interested persons. IF anyone is willing to help with this automation please email me; I could use some help from those with programming skills. Thank you. MBIQ Meteor Raw Data 24/25OCT2012 http://mbiq.blogspot.jp/ Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Well Michael, I work at an astronomical research institute and I know that most astronomers here could not find and identify extended objects or stars in the night sky with their unaided eyes. Of course, they can differentiate their spectra and other data that they acquire through large telescopes quite adeptly. In much the same way, most meteoriticists can identify mineralogy, chemistry and petrology of a sectioned meteorite, as well as interpret data acquired through ion/electron microprobes, SEM and other instrumentation quite well. But identifying a meteorite in the field is quite a different story, and requires skill and patience to accurately find and identify these rocky interlopers from space. Cut the scientists some slack and give due credit to those hunters who have honed their skills at finding and identifying meteorites from hard working experience in the field. gary On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:31 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Michael, A lot of times scientists used to working in labs with thin slices can't tell an ordinary chondrite from a hole in the ground. They often specialize in a narrow academic field and have no experience handling all different types of meteorites. It's hard to beat years of hands on experience when it comes to field grading meteorites. Plus, these stones have highly unusual crust. I didn't think they were meteorites because of the weird crust, but it's hard to tell just from looking at an out of focus photograph. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Hi Mike, Mike, and List, It is somewhat comical, but even the best of us can be fooled from time to time. There are some very convincing meteorwrongs in circulation, and we've had some recent high-profile falls that have increased the likelihood of fakes/scams, so an extra measure of caution is probably warranted. I was wondering why some scientists who go out into the field don't take some gadgets with them - like a magnetic susceptibility meter and an XRF gun. That would make preliminary identification of samples more sure. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 10/25/12, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images - October 24, 2012
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES October 24, 2012 o Gullied Crater Walls in Terra Cimmeria http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_028651_1370 This is within the latitude zone on Mars where volatiles such as water and carbon-dioxide undergo seasonal activity such as sublimation and deposition. o The Color Palette of Nilosyrtis Mensae http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_028825_2070 The region of Mars north of the Syrtis Major volcanics and the Isidis impact basin has well-exposed bedrock with diverse compositions. o Eye of the Beholder http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_028957_2085 Nilosyrtis Mensae is an ancient terrain with a wonderful variety of landforms and rock types. o Lava Flows in Daedalia Planum http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_028965_1610 To the southwest of Arsia Mons in Daedalia Planum, wide lava flow units emanating from the volcano coalesce to form a vast volcanic plain. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
ohh Mike that is so wrong at so many levels. Peter is a really good guy and probably really really good at what he does. I personally could not tell by the pictures... I for 1 have that problem. I bet BobV knew what it was seconds after he had it in hands lots of field experience. Peter learned a good lesson. rule of thumb follow the basic steps for meteorite identification. Jim Jim Wooddell - Mobile Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/space-buddha-statue-fake-fraud_n_2015587.html?ncid=webmail8 Of course it is a fake. If it is a Nantan, it would have rusted away into a million flakes about 997 years ago it if it was really carved 1,000 years old. Even if it wasn't a Nantan, I would guess it still would have rusted to an extreme state in less than 100 years time, unless it maybe was a very nickel rich ataxite. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites More, 28 1/2 Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632 President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men Ebay: ArnoldMeteorites meteorh...@aol.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Who was First NOVATO 001
So does that mean Brien Cooks meteorite is the first identified/recognized find from this fall? Sounds like it is indeed. Seems to me that the ONLY reason the House hitter stone was reassessed was because Brien had the smarts to cut into his and prove it. Luckily the Webbers didn't throw the stone away based on the incorrect identification. I heard mention of a waste basket? I'd like to search that waste basket if possible. I also might add that this is NOT a strange crust considering the brecciation . So question # 1 is who gets NOVATO 001 status? Who gets the roof shingle with the divot in it? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue
Steve, it's a Chinga. Phil Whitmer - Original Message - From: Steve Arnold meteorh...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 1:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/space-buddha-statue-fake-fraud_n_2015587.html?ncid=webmail8 Of course it is a fake. If it is a Nantan, it would have rusted away into a million flakes about 997 years ago it if it was really carved 1,000 years old. Even if it wasn't a Nantan, I would guess it still would have rusted to an extreme state in less than 100 years time, unless it maybe was a very nickel rich ataxite. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites More, 28 1/2 Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632 President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men Ebay: ArnoldMeteorites meteorh...@aol.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
There is a deep divide between meteorite hunters, hobbyists, etc and the scientists. It wasn't always that way - the Meteoritical Society was originally formed by a group of scientists, hobbyists, and in general a gaggle of folks with widely varying backgrounds who shared an interest in meteorites. I think it would benefit everyone if the Society were able to regain that shared body of knowledge. I think this episode with the Novato meteorite/wrong/riteagain illustrates the need for a truly inclusive Society. Or perhaps for an entirely new society that values acceptance of people with a range of interests and experience levels, to include the general public. Cheers, Marc Fries On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:39 AM, Gary Fujihara wrote: Well Michael, I work at an astronomical research institute and I know that most astronomers here could not find and identify extended objects or stars in the night sky with their unaided eyes. Of course, they can differentiate their spectra and other data that they acquire through large telescopes quite adeptly. In much the same way, most meteoriticists can identify mineralogy, chemistry and petrology of a sectioned meteorite, as well as interpret data acquired through ion/electron microprobes, SEM and other instrumentation quite well. But identifying a meteorite in the field is quite a different story, and requires skill and patience to accurately find and identify these rocky interlopers from space. Cut the scientists some slack and give due credit to those hunters who have honed their skills at finding and identifying meteorites from hard working experience in the field. gary On Oct 25, 2012, at 6:31 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
Hi Mendy...looks right to me. I sent you something off list for comparison. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite
Most meteorite petrographers have a lot of experience looking at meteorite whole rocks, not just thin sections. Over the years, I can usually tell a meteorite from a wrong, but when I am not sure, I make a thin section before making an announcement. What I am not so good at is guessing what kind of a meteorite it is before I see a thin section. Jason Utas, for example, is much better at that than I am. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: dorifry dori...@embarqmail.com To: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com; Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Michael, A lot of times scientists used to working in labs with thin slices can't tell an ordinary chondrite from a hole in the ground. They often specialize in a narrow academic field and have no experience handling all different types of meteorites. It's hard to beat years of hands on experience when it comes to field grading meteorites. Plus, these stones have highly unusual crust. I didn't think they were meteorites because of the weird crust, but it's hard to tell just from looking at an out of focus photograph. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth Space Museum - Original Message - From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Lisa Webber's is a meteorite Am I to understand that one of NASA's best has problems identifying a meteorite? Is anyone else concerned by that? Michael in So. Cal. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Of course it is. Sadly the damage is done. I am in Germany and all I am seeing is news reports now calling it a meteor wrong. What a cluster#+~. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Oct 25, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Brien Cook cont...@briencook.com wrote: http://cams.seti.org/ ___ Unlimited Disk, Data Transfer, PHP/MySQL Domain Hosting http://www.doteasy.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Novato
Dear Cal G, Any meteorite hunter worth his salt would leave his metal detector behind and use his EYES. Please do not be a Meteorite Men Zombie! Best in your hunt. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Fri, 10/26/12, C.G. petca...@gmail.com wrote: From: C.G. petca...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 1:46 AM Does anyone know the location in Novato where the 2nd specimen was found? I'm close to the area, and wanted to hunt today..Novato is spread quite large, so, pinning down a spot would help..I did hunt some shoreline of a nearby lake, with no luck, but, I had left my batteries in my metal detector, and, they were dead, with no spares in truck...learned my lesson about taking the 9-volts out afer use! Good Luck Hunting! Cal G. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Who was First NOVATO 001
I would say the house hitter would be 001, as it was 'found' first. -gregs -Original Message- From: Paul Gessler Sent: 25 Oct 2012 17:28:27 GMT To: meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Who was First NOVATO 001 So does that mean Brien Cooks meteorite is the first identified/recognized find from this fall? Sounds like it is indeed. Seems to me that the ONLY reason the House hitter stone was reassessed was because Brien had the smarts to cut into his and prove it. Luckily the Webbers didn't throw the stone away based on the incorrect identification. I heard mention of a waste basket? I'd like to search that waste basket if possible. I also might add that this is NOT a strange crust considering the brecciation . So question # 1 is who gets NOVATO 001 status? Who gets the roof shingle with the divot in it? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA-WPI 2013 Robot Prize Competition Registration Open
Oct. 25, 2012 Sonja Alexander Headquarters, Washington 202-358-1761 sonja.r.alexan...@nasa.gov Eileen Brangan-Mell Worcester Polytechnic Institute, Worcester, Mass. 508-831-6785 ebm...@wpi.edu RELEASE: 12-377 NASA-WPI 2013 ROBOT PRIZE COMPETITION REGISTRATION OPEN WASHINGTON -- NASA and the Worcester Polytechnic Institute (WPI) in Worcester, Mass., have opened registration and are seeking teams to compete in next year's robot technology demonstration competition, which offers as much as $1.5 million in prize money. During the 2013 NASA-WPI Sample Return Robot Challenge, teams will compete to demonstrate a robot can locate and retrieve geologic samples from a wide and varied terrain without human control. The objective of the competition is to encourage innovations in automatic navigation and robotic manipulator technologies. Innovations stemming from this challenge may improve NASA's capability to explore a variety of destinations in space, as well as enhance the nation's robotic technology for use in industries and applications on Earth. The competition is planned for June 2013 in Worcester, Mass., attracting competitors from industry and academia nationwide. NASA is providing the prize money to the winning team as part of the agency's Centennial Challenges competitions, which seek unconventional solutions to problems of interest to the agency and the nation. While NASA provides the prize purse, the competitions are managed by non-profit organizations that cover the cost of operations through commercial or private sponsorships. We've opened registration and are eager to see returning teams, and new challengers, enter this second Sample Return Robot Challenge, said NASA Space Technology Program Director Michael Gazarik at the agency's Headquarters in Washington. Contests like NASA's Centennial Challenges are an excellent example of government sparking the engine of American innovation and prosperity through competition while keeping our nation on the cutting edge of advanced robotics technology. Teams from academia, industry and even citizen-inventors are all invited to join the competition and help NASA solve real technology needs. With a $1.5 million prize purse, we're looking forward to seeing some great technology that will enable our future missions and advance robotics right here in America. The first Sample Return Robot Challenge, which took place in June, also was held at WPI. While almost a dozen teams entered the competition, none qualified to compete for the prize purse. NASA and WPI are partnering again to repeat and advance the competition, which is expected to draw more competitors and greater technological innovation from among the teams. We're honored and excited to once again host the Sample Return Robot Challenge, said WPI President and CEO Dennis Berkey. This year, 7,000 people turned out to watch the competition, which was the first of its kind on the East Coast, and to enjoy WPI's fantastic Touch Tomorrow Festival of Science, Technology and Robots. This university is a hub of expertise and innovation within the area of robotics, and it's a pleasure to engage people of all ages and backgrounds in the wonders of this competition, this festival, and this emerging field. There have been 23 NASA Centennial Challenges competition events since 2005, and through this program NASA has awarded more than $6 million to 15 different challenge-winning teams. Competitors have included private companies, student groups and independent inventors working outside the traditional aerospace industry. Unlike contracts or grants, prizes are awarded only after solutions are successfully demonstrated. WPI is one of the only universities to offer bachelor's, master's, and doctoral degrees in robotics engineering. In 2007, the university was the first in the nation to offer a bachelor's degree program in this area. Through its Robotics Resource Center, WPI supports robotics projects, teams, events and K-12 outreach programs. Each year, WPI manages at least seven competitive robotics tournaments and also has sponsored programs that foster the use of robots to solve important societal problems and encourage consideration of the societal implications of this new area of technology. For more information about the Sample Return Robot Challenge and WPI, visit http://challenge.wpi.edu The Centennial Challenges program is part of NASA's Space Technology Program, which is innovating, developing, testing, and flying hardware for use in NASA's future missions. NASA's Space Technology Program and the Centennial Challenges are creating new technological solutions for NASA and our nation's future. For more information about NASA's Centennial Challenges and the Space Technology Program, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/challenges -end- __
[meteorite-list] Open Access Geology Textbook Online
For the avocational meteorite collector, there is a rather nice open access geology textbook. It is Earth's Dynamic Systems Web Edition 1.0 T http://www.earthds.info/ Someone obviously put a lot of time and effort into it and is a good introductory text for the interested layman. Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Novato
The meteorite hunter worth his salt would use ALL his tools he has available to him because some of us dont have the best EYES as we get older. Im sure I can get an agreement on that On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Danny Mills dannysp...@gmail.com wrote: The meteorite hunter worth his salt would use ALL his tools he has available to him because some of us dont have the best EYES as we get older. Im sure I can get an agreement on that. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:48 AM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Cal G, Any meteorite hunter worth his salt would leave his metal detector behind and use his EYES. Please do not be a Meteorite Men Zombie! Best in your hunt. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Fri, 10/26/12, C.G. petca...@gmail.com wrote: From: C.G. petca...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 1:46 AM Does anyone know the location in Novato where the 2nd specimen was found? I'm close to the area, and wanted to hunt today..Novato is spread quite large, so, pinning down a spot would help..I did hunt some shoreline of a nearby lake, with no luck, but, I had left my batteries in my metal detector, and, they were dead, with no spares in truck...learned my lesson about taking the 9-volts out afer use! Good Luck Hunting! Cal G. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue
List, So, I was visiting Robert Beauford today at this store here in wonderful Eureka Springs, where it is a bit rainy, but yet still a beautiful fall day, shopper abounding, and the leaves are turning on the hillsides around our quaint village. Robert read me the not quite completed draft of the response to my post (below) here on the list, mentioning why this piece was not a fake and I found his reply to be an amazingly poignant retort. A few minutes later he mentioned how now he had to decide if he will actually hit send or hit delete? I sincerely hope he sends it, because I was indeed wrong in my statement, and the topic deserves more discussion. I won't rehash all that Robert stated, as I hope he will send it and you all can read it in his words, but obviously, the work is a genuine meteorite and it is a genuine hand made work of art, thus not a fake meteorite piece of art. Now, the question is left as when was it made, and possibly who made it and where? When it made has nothing to do with it being a fake, unless of course someone is trying to pass it off as being something it isn't, and that does not seem to be the case. Anyway, I stand corrected on what I stated. My intention was to say that I felt there is no way it was 1,000 years old. Carry on... Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites More, 28 1/2 Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632 President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men Ebay: ArnoldMeteorites meteorh...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Steve Arnold meteorh...@aol.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 12:20 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] Fake Buddha Statue http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/25/space-buddha-statue-fake-fraud_n_2015587.html?ncid=webmail8 Of course it is a fake. If it is a Nantan, it would have rusted away into a million flakes about 997 years ago it if it was really carved 1,000 years old. Even if it wasn't a Nantan, I would guess it still would have rusted to an extreme state in less than 100 years time, unless it maybe was a very nickel rich ataxite. Steve Arnold Host of Science Channel's TV Series Meteorite Men www.ScienceChannel.com Co-Founder of America's Meteorite Store: Meteorites More, 28 1/2 Spring St., Eureka Springs, AR 72632 President Palladot Inc, Extra-terrestrial Gemstones www.Palladot.com Facebook: MeteoriteMan Facebook: SteveArnoldMeteorite Facebook: Meteorite Men Ebay: ArnoldMeteorites meteorh...@aol.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Curiosity Update: Assessing Drop-Off to Mars Rover's Observation Tray
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2012-336 Assessing Drop-Off to Mars Rover's Observation Tray Jet Propulsion Laboratory October 25, 2012 NASA's Mars rover Curiosity used its Mast Camera (Mastcam) during the mission's 78th sol (Oct. 24, 2012) to view soil material on the rover's observation tray. The observations will help assess movement of the sample on the tray in response to vibrations from sample-delivery and sample-processing activities of mechanisms on the rover's arm. Curiosity is working with material from the fourth scoop of soil it collected at the Rocknest patch of dust and sand. On Sol 77, a sieved portion from this scoop was delivered to the Chemistry and Mineralogy (CheMin) instrument inside the rover. This is the second soil sample for CheMin analysis. The material from the fourth scoop is also being used to scrub internal surfaces of the rover's sample-processing mechanisms in preparation for delivery of a sample from a later scoop to the Sample Analysis at Mars (SAM) instrument. Sol 78 activities included analysis of an atmosphere sample by SAM's Quadrupole Mass Spectrometer and monitoring of environmental conditions by the Rover Environmental Monitoring Station (REMS) and the Radiation Assessment Detector (RAD). Sol 78, in Mars local mean solar time at Gale Crater, ended at 10:57 a.m. Oct. 25, PDT (1:57 p.m., EDT). Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2012-336 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Rover Opportunity Update: Oct 18-23, 2012
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html#opportunity OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Survey Drives Of Local Area - sols 3105-3110, Oct. 18, 2012-Oct. 23, 2012: Opportunity is continuing a local area survey around the location called Matijevic Hill (named in honor of Jake Matijevic) at the inboard edge of Cape York on the rim of Endeavour Crater. The rover performed three survey drives on Sols 3105, 3107 and 3110 (Oct. 18, 20, and 23, 2012), driving first west, then southwest, and then southeast, totaling 226 feet (69 meters). Each drive was preceded by the collection of targeted imagery and then followed by taking a 360-degree Navigation camera (Navcam) panorama. On Sol 3109 (Oct. 22, 2012), an atmospheric argon measurement was collected by the Alpha Particle X-ray Spectrometer (APXS). The plan ahead is to conduct more survey drives around this location. As of Sol 3110 (Oct. 23, 2012), the solar array energy production was 575 watt-hours with an atmospheric opacity (Tau) of 0.654 and a solar array dust factor of 0.619. Total odometry is 21.87 miles (35,189.68 meters). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Novato Meteorite Stick
Your eyes are always the best tool in the shed when meteorite hunting, but when you go to war, you need an arsenal. The next best thing to having 20/20 vision is the Bazooka of all meteorite hunting tools the Meteorite Stick! Leave your metal detectors home! Metal detectors are useless in finding Novato they are not suited for this meteorite or terrain. The Meteorite Stick is the ultimate tool, it's ultra light, weighing in under 2 pounds and has proven to be invaluable time and time again! The Novato meteorite will quickly jump and stick onto the ultra powerful magnet! Best of Luck! www.meteoritestick.com John Higgins IMCA#9822 www.outerspacerocks.com From: Danny Mills dannysp...@gmail.com To: C.G. petca...@gmail.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Novato The meteorite hunter worth his salt would use ALL his tools he has available to him because some of us dont have the best EYES as we get older. Im sure I can get an agreement on that On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Danny Mills dannysp...@gmail.com wrote: The meteorite hunter worth his salt would use ALL his tools he has available to him because some of us dont have the best EYES as we get older. Im sure I can get an agreement on that. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:48 AM, drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Cal G, Any meteorite hunter worth his salt would leave his metal detector behind and use his EYES. Please do not be a Meteorite Men Zombie! Best in your hunt. Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- On Fri, 10/26/12, C.G. petca...@gmail.com wrote: From: C.G. petca...@gmail.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Novato To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 1:46 AM Does anyone know the location in Novato where the 2nd specimen was found? I'm close to the area, and wanted to hunt today..Novato is spread quite large, so, pinning down a spot would help..I did hunt some shoreline of a nearby lake, with no luck, but, I had left my batteries in my metal detector, and, they were dead, with no spares in truck...learned my lesson about taking the 9-volts out afer use! Good Luck Hunting! Cal G. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ohio Made Riker Mounts?
List- Quite some time ago somebody made a comment that their company made good quality riker mount boxes near Columbus, Ohio where I live. I cannot find their posting in the older list archives. Would somebody know who that company is? Possibly I could visit them and save shipping charges. Thank You Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html
[meteorite-list] NWA 7319 Melt Breccia Specimens - AD
Dear List Members, I would like to announce and offer a new Melt Breccia that has just become Official in the Meteoritical Bulletin this week. NWA 7319 is a stunning L5 Melt Breccia with a shock stage of 6 and weathering grade of 1/2. The Total Known Weight is 6414 grams in a single very solid stone, most of which now resides in the 4120 gram main mass that has been sold already. This new meteorite displays gorgeous melt 'rivers' enveloping 'islands' of matrix with a nice amount of large and small vesicles, all covered with smallish metals flakes. The large complete slices have a very generous size-to-weight ratio meaning that you get more display surface to the weight investment! This meteorite is incredibly durable and the dense material allowed for a very high polish that was difficult to photograph. I only have the 18 specimens listed below so if you are interested, please send me an email to request pricing and to let me know what your first two or three choices are. I will offer these on a first-come, first-served basis and believe they will find new homes very quickly! Best Regards, Greg Hupe NWA 7319 L5 Melt Breccia (NEW): Available Specimens as of this email: *cs – complete slice ps - part slice 335g end cut 126mm x 98mm x 18mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_01a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_01b.jpg 121.28g cs 144mm x 127mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_02a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_02b.jpg 119.5g cs 152mm x 126mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_03a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_03b.jpg 119.29g cs 135mm x 117mm x 3mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_04a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_04b.jpg 115.6g cs 145mm x 122mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_05a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_05b.jpg 114.06g cs 143mm x 120mm x 3mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_06a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_06b.jpg 110.94g cs 139mm x 120mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_07a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_07b.jpg 106.32g cs 140mm x 120mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_08a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_08b.jpg 99.04g cs 121mm x 119mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_09a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_09b.jpg 97.16g cs 133mm x 112mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_10a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_10b.jpg 87.12g cs 144mm x 121mm x 1.5mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_11a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_11b.jpg 85.54g cs 123mm x 113mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_12a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_12b.jpg 67.58g cs 117mm x 110mm x 2mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_13a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_13b.jpg 27.7g ps 92mm x 52mm x 1.5mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_14a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_14b.jpg 15.9g ps 62mm x 65mm x 1.5mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_15a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_15b.jpg 6.2g ps 54mm x 27mm x 1.5mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_16a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_16b.jpg 2.15g ps 34mm x 15mm x 1.5mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_17a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_17b.jpg 1.82g ps 23mm x 16mm x 1.5mm 1) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_18a.jpg 2) http://www.lunarrock.com/nwa7319/Img_18b.jpg Thank you for your interest in NWA 7319, and if you are just looking, please enjoy! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com NaturesVault (eBay Facebook) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteor detected by MBIQ over Ontario Canada confirmed
Dear List, Meteor detected by MBIQ over Ontario Canada; now has been confirmed. http://mbiq.blogspot.jp/2012/10/mbiq-detects-ontario-canada-meteor.html Bookmark this site if you wish advanced information about meteor detection using MBIQ *meteor Bot Internet Query bot artificial intelligence AI. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
I guess we stand corrected... - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with recently found Holbrooks. It looks like an NWA to me. I know there are true Holbrook experts on this list that could instantly tell, so before I call BS on this offer, I'd like to get a second or third opinion. I know not everyone on this list is on FB, so if you do not have a FB account, I can email you the picture. In case this is real, please PM me and based on responses, I will let everyone know the verdict. http://on.fb.me/P5n9xR Regards, Mendy
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook
And I forgot to correct myself about the large cool piece in Jim's link. It is the big one Richard Garcia found on the 99th hunt. I got to hold it the last couple years - an amazing piece indeed! Congratulations again Richard and happy hunting! Mark - Original Message - From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I guess we stand corrected... - Original Message - From: Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook The guy that has it for sale just posted that he actually was the one to find it. * Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Sirius Meteorites Node35 - Sentinel All Sky http://spacerocks.weebly.com * -Original Message- From: Mark Bowling Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 8:21 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook I agree with Jason, it doesn't look quite right. It's always hard to tell from photos, but if it looked this way in person, I would not have guessed Holbook. If someone cleans/shines them up, it can really change the look of them. I've found a lot Holbrook and seen a lot taken in the field, and I thought I knew them well. But I was surprised a few years ago at the difference, when I saw one cleaned with chapstick just hours after being found in front of many witnesses. I had to adjust my thinking (I've always left mine as found, dirt and all, and I'm glad I have). But even so, that doesn't really change the thickness of the crust. It just looks strange - it could be a Holbrook that's been handled a lot, like being carried in a pocket (???). Unless you really trust this person, I'd stay away, but that's just me (the seller could be on the up and up). Mark P.S nice finds Jim! From: jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:49 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook Hello Jim, I see finely textured crust with surface rust. Looks like a Holbrook. I think the lighting of the photo on facebook is throwing you off. It's quite different. Regards, Jason On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:43 PM, Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason! So what do you think about this one? http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa325/desertsunburn/IMG_3252.jpg which is a Holbrook found on the 99th Anniversary of the fall. Jim On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 12:22 PM, jason utas jasonu...@gmail.com wrote: Hello All, Texture's completely off. Newly found Holbrooks can be weathered. but always show a discrete layer of fusion crust that has not been mechanically altered much since 1912. Surface rust, yes. Places where it has chipped off, yes. Contraction cracks...usually. But, little abrasion -- certainly not extensive sand-blasting. The stone pictured has been desert-varnished to the point that it has remnant-crust, or a layer of thin-to-non-existent fusion crust, which, as Mendy notes, is similar to the weathering seen on NWA's. If it's a Holbrook, it's a find from a unique area where the stone has weathered differently from...any other Holbrook I've ever seen. A real one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-11-4-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-90-CRUSTED-/221144642054?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7206 Note the fine detail still present on the crust. And again: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-18-6-gram-HOLBROOK-METEORITE-ABOUT-50-CRUSTED-/221144641606?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337d3f7046 Jim Steele is also offering Buzzard Coulee, Ash Creek, Mifflin and Park Forest. Anyone want to try to get some photos? He could have purchased the Holbrook/other stones, so not trying to point any fingers here. Kudos to Mendy for spotting this one - completely missed it. Regards, Jason From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net Date: Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook for sale on Facebook To: Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com, Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com I am pretty sure Steve Shoner has found more Holbrook than anyone on the list... Stevewhaddayathink? Of is a photo insufficient To form an opinion? Michael On 10/25/12 8:31 AM, Mendy Ouzillou ouzil...@yahoo.com wrote: There is a large 53.3g Holbrook being offered for sale on Facebook that looks a bit weird to me. The seller, Jim Steele, states that he found it in 1998. I do not see contraction cracks or other features that I associate with
