Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Map of India
Regine This is really great. We have a few Indian meteorites in the collection. But I hadn't realised how many there where until I saw them pinpointed on a map. Many thanks Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Regine P. Sent: 24 January 2013 16:42 To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Map of India Dear list, FYI http://www.portal.gsi.gov.in/portal/page?_pageid=108,721665_dad=portal_schema=PORTAL click on Maps covering entire India, and you can find the map on page 2. Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Map of India
Ha http://www.woreczko.pl/meteorites/falls/Population/Falls_population.htm ... move cursor into image to see meteorite falls ;-) Best Woreczko - Original Message - From: Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk To: 'Regine P.' fips_br...@yahoo.de; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:02 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Map of India Regine This is really great. We have a few Indian meteorites in the collection. But I hadn't realised how many there where until I saw them pinpointed on a map. Many thanks Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Regine P. Sent: 24 January 2013 16:42 To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Map of India Dear list, FYI http://www.portal.gsi.gov.in/portal/page?_pageid=108,721665_dad=portal_schema=PORTAL click on Maps covering entire India, and you can find the map on page 2. Regine __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January � 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com __ Informacja programu ESET NOD32 Antivirus, wersja bazy sygnatur wirusw 7929 (20130124) __ Wiadomo zostaa sprawdzona przez program ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.pl lub http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- This email was Anti Virus checked by Astaro Security Gateway. http://www.astaro.com __ Informacja programu ESET NOD32 Antivirus, wersja bazy sygnatur wirusw 7929 (20130124) __ Wiadomo zostaa sprawdzona przez program ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.pl lub http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Donations to Museums
Dear List Members I would like to bring to the attention of the list, news of a wonderful piece of generosity. Mr Shawn A Rinoehl (who signs off as Shawn Alan) of Brooklyn, NYC has very kindly donated a fragment of the High Possil meteorite which fell near Glasgow, Scotland in April 1804. This piece of L6 Chondrite may not have the status of a Martian or Carbonaceous Chondrite, but to me it is of vital importance. This now means that we have in our collection, fragments of three of the four known Scottish meteorites. The only one missing now is the Perth fall (LL5 Ordinary Chondrite, May 1830). I have of course thanked Shawn off list and asked his permission to make my gratitude and his generosity much more public through the MetList. Thank you Shawn Have a great weekend everyone Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Room (ad)
I will be in Tucson from Tue, Feb. 5 through Sun, Feb 10. Will share room with two queensized beds with non-snorer For $45/night (I do not snore, as I use a silent CPAP machine). Really? No one out there needs a room within walking didstance Of 90% of the meteorite dealers at $45/night? RSVP off list. Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donations to Museums
Top notch Shawn! Matt Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote: Dear List Members I would like to bring to the attention of the list, news of a wonderful piece of generosity. Mr Shawn A Rinoehl (who signs off as Shawn Alan) of Brooklyn, NYC has very kindly donated a fragment of the High Possil meteorite which fell near Glasgow, Scotland in April 1804. This piece of L6 Chondrite may not have the status of a Martian or Carbonaceous Chondrite, but to me it is of vital importance. This now means that we have in our collection, fragments of three of the four known Scottish meteorites. The only one missing now is the Perth fall (LL5 Ordinary Chondrite, May 1830). I have of course thanked Shawn off list and asked his permission to make my gratitude and his generosity much more public through the MetList. Thank you Shawn Have a great weekend everyone Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January � 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites PO Box 151293 Lakewood CO 80215 USA http://www.mhmeteorites.com Find Us on Facebook __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [TRADE] Historic Brazilian fall - Macau and Itapecurú-mirim
Hello all, I have two historic rare Brazilian meteorite available for trade: - Macau 0.368g slice. First Brazilian observed fall, 1836. Killed several cattle (Catalogue of Meteorite, Monica Grady) - Itapecuru-Mirim 0.943g fragment. 1879 fall. 2 Kg TKW. Provenance is Brazilian National Museum. Meteorites I am interested: 1) Iguaracu 2) Ipiranga 3) Ipitinga 4) Cacilândia 5) Macau 6) Mafra 7) Parambu 8) Sete Lagoas 9) Rio Negro 10) Morro do Rocio 11) Santa Barbara 12) São José do Rio Preto 13) Serra de Magé Best Andre Moutinho IMCA 2731 http://www.meteorito.com.br __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donations to Museums
Thankyou very much Shawn. Hope there are plans for display in Chambers St. Did anything ever come of the following story I am wondering. Was it part of the 1830 fall or did it turn out to be a new find or an m.w.? http://news.stv.tv/tayside/193361-meteorite-rocks-believed-to-be-worth-1m-f ound-in-potato-field/ Regards, John On 25/01/2013 13:51, Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote: Dear List Members I would like to bring to the attention of the list, news of a wonderful piece of generosity. Mr Shawn A Rinoehl (who signs off as Shawn Alan) of Brooklyn, NYC has very kindly donated a fragment of the High Possil meteorite which fell near Glasgow, Scotland in April 1804. This piece of L6 Chondrite may not have the status of a Martian or Carbonaceous Chondrite, but to me it is of vital importance. This now means that we have in our collection, fragments of three of the four known Scottish meteorites. The only one missing now is the Perth fall (LL5 Ordinary Chondrite, May 1830). I have of course thanked Shawn off list and asked his permission to make my gratitude and his generosity much more public through the MetList. Thank you Shawn Have a great weekend everyone Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Yes Jeff, maybe dropping the acronym and just calling them all Martian may be the sensible thing. After all, you don't want the general public SNCering at us, do ya? gary On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
...or SNACS ? (close to snick, sometimes supposed being the popular pronounciation of the former SNC) Of course, I second Saharaite, (always favoring a name over a number) Incidentally the former proposal SNCB appears a little funny, almost ridiculous to us Belgian citizens, bacause SNCB is here the well known abbreviation for Société Nationale des Chemins de fer Belges (our National Railway Society)... Funny discussion Zelimir -- Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. LPI-GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Carl Agee a...@unm.edu a écrit : Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images - January 21-25, 2013
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES January 21-25, 2013 o Dittaino Valles (21 January 2013) http://themis.asu.edu/node/6075 o Fractures and Channels (22 January 2013) http://themis.asu.edu/node/6076 o Mega Gully (23 January 2013) http://themis.asu.edu/node/6077 o Pavonis Mons (24 January 2013) http://themis.asu.edu/node/6078 o Wind Erosion (25 January 2013) http://themis.asu.edu/node/6079 All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Ha! That's classic, Greg! I like! Jim On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Jim Wooddell jimwoodd...@gmail.com 928-247-2675 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 116, Issue 43
Dear carl I prefer as I told you all Marroconaite in honor of morroco hunter that brought to science Saharanite is ok But habibite would be fun Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 25 Jan 2013 à 17:00, meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com a écrit : Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com You can reach the person managing the list at meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: NWA 7034 (Gary Fujihara) 2. Re: NWA 7034 (Carl Agee) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:29:53 -1000 From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 74fcc944-0cd7-42e1-b7fc-9704003f4...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Yes Jeff, maybe dropping the acronym and just calling them all Martian may be the sensible thing. After all, you don't want the general public SNCering at us, do ya? gary On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:33:44 -0700 From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: cadyrzhp61_9hxwd5y4_yahtlcz8o72arizjcgzde3pc29a_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 116, Issue 43
I agree that the people of the Saharan Desert deserve to be honored with a piece of meteorite nomenclature. The residents of the Sahara have done much to advance the science of meteoritics. They deserve some official recognition. Scientific nomnenclature is largely an anglo-dominated affair peppered with words from dead classical languages. That should change with the times. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG On 1/25/13, Aziz Habibilp azizhab...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear carl I prefer as I told you all Marroconaite in honor of morroco hunter that brought to science Saharanite is ok But habibite would be fun Envoyé de mon iPhone Le 25 Jan 2013 à 17:00, meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com a écrit : Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com You can reach the person managing the list at meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: NWA 7034 (Gary Fujihara) 2. Re: NWA 7034 (Carl Agee) -- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 06:29:53 -1000 From: Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 74fcc944-0cd7-42e1-b7fc-9704003f4...@mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Yes Jeff, maybe dropping the acronym and just calling them all Martian may be the sensible thing. After all, you don't want the general public SNCering at us, do ya? gary On Jan 25, 2013, at 5:43 AM, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites PO Box 4175, Hilo, HI 96720 (808) 640-9161 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://www.ebay.com/sch/fujmon/m.html -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:33:44 -0700 From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: cadyrzhp61_9hxwd5y4_yahtlcz8o72arizjcgzde3pc29a_...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
If you go with Habibite we could call them SHACN (pronounced shaken) . shake, rattle and roll. Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Greg, The NWA 7034 main mass is the original ~320g single stone Black Beauty that I started working on back in August of 2011. For a while I thought it was the only one in existence, but over the past few months more stones, all smaller than 320, have been recovered. The two additional stones that I have personally inspected are 107.5g and 65g. So that is 492g, plus the 84g pairing NWA 7533 (which by the way is geochemically identical to NWA 7034 and clearly from the same meteoroid). I have recently seen photos of additional stones, so you are correct that the Black Beauty TKW is probably a bit more than 1kg. When the dust settles, I hope to revise the NWA 7034 write-up in MetBull and list the TKW. Personally, I think it is very confusing to have a bunch of NWA# pairings, when all these stones are so clearly pieces of the same rock, they are unlike any other meteorite both in hand sample and geochemically. By the way, we will be presenting new data at LPSC (not in the Science paper) on noble gases that have been measured in NWA 7034, which are a match for Viking measurements of Martian atmosphere. Also the cosmic ray exposure age is likely ~5 my, the size of the NWA 7034 meteoroid in interplanetary space (before Earth entry) is estimated at diameter ~50 cm, so anyone hoping that there are many 10s of kg of Black Beauty on the ground in the Saraha will be disappointed. Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Thanks a lot for the information, Carl. I can't wait to read more in six days. Does the CRE-age of ~5 My mean that NWA 7034 probably represents a new impact event or could it somehow be related to the shergottites Y793605 and Y27 with their ejection age of ~4.70 ± 0.50 My? Best regards, Martin Von: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu An: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Datum: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:19:34 +0100 Hi Greg, The NWA 7034 main mass is the original ~320g single stone Black Beauty that I started working on back in August of 2011. For a while I thought it was the only one in existence, but over the past few months more stones, all smaller than 320, have been recovered. The two additional stones that I have personally inspected are 107.5g and 65g. So that is 492g, plus the 84g pairing NWA 7533 (which by the way is geochemically identical to NWA 7034 and clearly from the same meteoroid). I have recently seen photos of additional stones, so you are correct that the Black Beauty TKW is probably a bit more than 1kg. When the dust settles, I hope to revise the NWA 7034 write-up in MetBull and list the TKW. Personally, I think it is very confusing to have a bunch of NWA# pairings, when all these stones are so clearly pieces of the same rock, they are unlike any other meteorite both in hand sample and geochemically. By the way, we will be presenting new data at LPSC (not in the Science paper) on noble gases that have been measured in NWA 7034, which are a match for Viking measurements of Martian atmosphere. Also the cosmic ray exposure age is likely ~5 my, the size of the NWA 7034 meteoroid in interplanetary space (before Earth entry) is estimated at diameter ~50 cm, so anyone hoping that there are many 10s of kg of Black Beauty on the ground in the Saraha will be disappointed. Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu
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Carl, Greg, It's my understanding the names of meteorites, once determined they pair to another, should then have the same name, eliminating one of the names. Is this not correct??? Cheers! Jim On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote: Hi Greg, The NWA 7034 main mass is the original ~320g single stone Black Beauty that I started working on back in August of 2011. For a while I thought it was the only one in existence, but over the past few months more stones, all smaller than 320, have been recovered. The two additional stones that I have personally inspected are 107.5g and 65g. So that is 492g, plus the 84g pairing NWA 7533 (which by the way is geochemically identical to NWA 7034 and clearly from the same meteoroid). I have recently seen photos of additional stones, so you are correct that the Black Beauty TKW is probably a bit more than 1kg. When the dust settles, I hope to revise the NWA 7034 write-up in MetBull and list the TKW. Personally, I think it is very confusing to have a bunch of NWA# pairings, when all these stones are so clearly pieces of the same rock, they are unlike any other meteorite both in hand sample and geochemically. By the way, we will be presenting new data at LPSC (not in the Science paper) on noble gases that have been measured in NWA 7034, which are a match for Viking measurements of Martian atmosphere. Also the cosmic ray exposure age is likely ~5 my, the size of the NWA 7034 meteoroid in interplanetary space (before Earth entry) is estimated at diameter ~50 cm, so anyone hoping that there are many 10s of kg of Black Beauty on the ground in the Saraha will be disappointed. Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget
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Please, No, no more acronyms! The world is being invaded by those meaningless, un-translatable monstrosities. Lets make it simple. We have had for a long time such a thing as: Achondrite Eucrite Polymict Breccia. Now we can have: Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. Simple as that. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Martin, Here is an excerpt from our noble gas abstract for NWA 7034, Cartwright et al.: We obtain T3, T21 and T38 ages of 5.1 Ma, 11.4 Ma and 5.4 Ma respectively. The older T21 age may result from heteorgeniety of target elements like Ca and Mg within the breccia. T3 has little dependency on chemical composition (and T38 also less than T21), and with elevated 4He concenrations, perhaps 3He loss was minimal, and thus this age real. A CRE age 5 Ma is older than observed previously for shergottite CRE ages, though the 11.4Ma age is similar to Nakhlite / Chassigny CRE ages. So it's not carved in stone quite yet... Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: Thanks a lot for the information, Carl. I can't wait to read more in six days. Does the CRE-age of ~5 My mean that NWA 7034 probably represents a new impact event or could it somehow be related to the shergottites Y793605 and Y27 with their ejection age of ~4.70 ± 0.50 My? Best regards, Martin Von: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu An: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Datum: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:19:34 +0100 Hi Greg, The NWA 7034 main mass is the original ~320g single stone Black Beauty that I started working on back in August of 2011. For a while I thought it was the only one in existence, but over the past few months more stones, all smaller than 320, have been recovered. The two additional stones that I have personally inspected are 107.5g and 65g. So that is 492g, plus the 84g pairing NWA 7533 (which by the way is geochemically identical to NWA 7034 and clearly from the same meteoroid). I have recently seen photos of additional stones, so you are correct that the Black Beauty TKW is probably a bit more than 1kg. When the dust settles, I hope to revise the NWA 7034 write-up in MetBull and list the TKW. Personally, I think it is very confusing to have a bunch of NWA# pairings, when all these stones are so clearly pieces of the same rock, they are unlike any other meteorite both in hand sample and geochemically. By the way, we will be presenting new data at LPSC (not in the Science paper) on noble gases that have been measured in NWA 7034, which are a match for Viking measurements of Martian atmosphere. Also the cosmic ray exposure age is likely ~5 my, the size of the NWA 7034 meteoroid in interplanetary space (before Earth entry) is estimated at diameter ~50 cm, so anyone hoping that there are many 10s of kg of Black Beauty on the ground in the Saraha will be disappointed. Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA
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This does not apply to meteorites from dense collection areas. Technically, each newly found stone should get its own number. If they are highly distinct, it is possible to declare an official pairing which will appear in MetBull, and have them treated as one meteorite for the purpose of determining type specimen requirements. Jeff On 1/25/2013 1:45 PM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Carl, Greg, It's my understanding the names of meteorites, once determined they pair to another, should then have the same name, eliminating one of the names. Is this not correct??? Cheers! Jim On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote: Hi Greg, The NWA 7034 main mass is the original ~320g single stone Black Beauty that I started working on back in August of 2011. For a while I thought it was the only one in existence, but over the past few months more stones, all smaller than 320, have been recovered. The two additional stones that I have personally inspected are 107.5g and 65g. So that is 492g, plus the 84g pairing NWA 7533 (which by the way is geochemically identical to NWA 7034 and clearly from the same meteoroid). I have recently seen photos of additional stones, so you are correct that the Black Beauty TKW is probably a bit more than 1kg. When the dust settles, I hope to revise the NWA 7034 write-up in MetBull and list the TKW. Personally, I think it is very confusing to have a bunch of NWA# pairings, when all these stones are so clearly pieces of the same rock, they are unlike any other meteorite both in hand sample and geochemically. By the way, we will be presenting new data at LPSC (not in the Science paper) on noble gases that have been measured in NWA 7034, which are a match for Viking measurements of Martian atmosphere. Also the cosmic ray exposure age is likely ~5 my, the size of the NWA 7034 meteoroid in interplanetary space (before Earth entry) is estimated at diameter ~50 cm, so anyone hoping that there are many 10s of kg of Black Beauty on the ground in the Saraha will be disappointed. Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Carl Agee Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:33 AM To: meteoritelist meteoritelist Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ ---
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What a nice gesture Shawn, congrats :-) As a collector with one of my focuses being UK and Irish meteorites i fully appreciate the rarity and historical value of High Possil! Peter, you must now be very happy to have a piece in the National Museums Scotland collection :-) Cheers Martin On 25/01/2013, Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote: Dear List Members I would like to bring to the attention of the list, news of a wonderful piece of generosity. Mr Shawn A Rinoehl (who signs off as Shawn Alan) of Brooklyn, NYC has very kindly donated a fragment of the High Possil meteorite which fell near Glasgow, Scotland in April 1804. This piece of L6 Chondrite may not have the status of a Martian or Carbonaceous Chondrite, but to me it is of vital importance. This now means that we have in our collection, fragments of three of the four known Scottish meteorites. The only one missing now is the Perth fall (LL5 Ordinary Chondrite, May 1830). I have of course thanked Shawn off list and asked his permission to make my gratitude and his generosity much more public through the MetList. Thank you Shawn Have a great weekend everyone Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January – 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donations to Museums
Hi John/list, I believe the recent find near Perth by Rob Elliott that you mention is not linked to the 1830 Perth meteorite. It is apparently a new find and I understand it is currently being classified at Glasgow University :-) Cheers Martin On 25/01/2013, Pict p...@pict.co.uk wrote: Thankyou very much Shawn. Hope there are plans for display in Chambers St. Did anything ever come of the following story I am wondering. Was it part of the 1830 fall or did it turn out to be a new find or an m.w.? http://news.stv.tv/tayside/193361-meteorite-rocks-believed-to-be-worth-1m-f ound-in-potato-field/ Regards, John On 25/01/2013 13:51, Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote: Dear List Members I would like to bring to the attention of the list, news of a wonderful piece of generosity. Mr Shawn A Rinoehl (who signs off as Shawn Alan) of Brooklyn, NYC has very kindly donated a fragment of the High Possil meteorite which fell near Glasgow, Scotland in April 1804. This piece of L6 Chondrite may not have the status of a Martian or Carbonaceous Chondrite, but to me it is of vital importance. This now means that we have in our collection, fragments of three of the four known Scottish meteorites. The only one missing now is the Perth fall (LL5 Ordinary Chondrite, May 1830). I have of course thanked Shawn off list and asked his permission to make my gratitude and his generosity much more public through the MetList. Thank you Shawn Have a great weekend everyone Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January – 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Hello all, place of find named Lghrade Thanks, Abdelfattah. - Mail original - De : Carl Agee a...@unm.edu À : karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de Cc : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Envoyé le : Vendredi 25 janvier 2013 21h36 Objet : Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Hi Martin, Here is an excerpt from our noble gas abstract for NWA 7034, Cartwright et al.: We obtain T3, T21 and T38 ages of 5.1 Ma, 11.4 Ma and 5.4 Ma respectively. The older T21 age may result from heteorgeniety of target elements like Ca and Mg within the breccia. T3 has little dependency on chemical composition (and T38 also less than T21), and with elevated 4He concenrations, perhaps 3He loss was minimal, and thus this age real. A CRE age 5 Ma is older than observed previously for shergottite CRE ages, though the 11.4Ma age is similar to Nakhlite / Chassigny CRE ages. So it's not carved in stone quite yet... Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 11:41 AM, karmaka karmaka-meteori...@t-online.de wrote: Thanks a lot for the information, Carl. I can't wait to read more in six days. Does the CRE-age of ~5 My mean that NWA 7034 probably represents a new impact event or could it somehow be related to the shergottites Y793605 and Y27 with their ejection age of ~4.70 ± 0.50 My? Best regards, Martin Von: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu An: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Cc: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Datum: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 19:19:34 +0100 Hi Greg, The NWA 7034 main mass is the original ~320g single stone Black Beauty that I started working on back in August of 2011. For a while I thought it was the only one in existence, but over the past few months more stones, all smaller than 320, have been recovered. The two additional stones that I have personally inspected are 107.5g and 65g. So that is 492g, plus the 84g pairing NWA 7533 (which by the way is geochemically identical to NWA 7034 and clearly from the same meteoroid). I have recently seen photos of additional stones, so you are correct that the Black Beauty TKW is probably a bit more than 1kg. When the dust settles, I hope to revise the NWA 7034 write-up in MetBull and list the TKW. Personally, I think it is very confusing to have a bunch of NWA# pairings, when all these stones are so clearly pieces of the same rock, they are unlike any other meteorite both in hand sample and geochemically. By the way, we will be presenting new data at LPSC (not in the Science paper) on noble gases that have been measured in NWA 7034, which are a match for Viking measurements of Martian atmosphere. Also the cosmic ray exposure age is likely ~5 my, the size of the NWA 7034 meteoroid in interplanetary space (before Earth entry) is estimated at diameter ~50 cm, so anyone hoping that there are many 10s of kg of Black Beauty on the ground in the Saraha will be disappointed. Thanks, Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hi Carl, It is lunch time for us Floridians so I am just taking a break and munching on some SNACS... Seriously, What is the current count of NWA 7034 'official' pairings and how many stones constitute each of those? We have all heard of 'paired' stones making the current stone count at about a dozen or so IF they are indeed paired to NWA 7034. We have been hearing and seeing images of stones offered from Moroccan dealers as pairings. If I read it all correctly, the original single 320g stone was the first NWA 7034 one. Are the three stones pictured in all of the press releases part of one stone that adds up to 320 grams? If not, what are the weights of the additional two stones and/or do they each have their own NWA numbers? Also, I heard there is a 240 gram stone with the owner of the first 320g stone, has this been confirmed yet? The only 'officially' paired stone that I am aware of is NWA 7533 weighing in at 84 grams. If all of the stones that are 'guaranteed' paired to NWA 7034 by Moroccan dealers, the combined weight is exceeding 1000 grams which is pretty cool for such a unique meteorite! Congrats again to all involved in bringing this new Martian meteorite to light! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
--- On Fri, 1/25/13, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Lets make it simple. Now we can have: Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. Simple as that. Okay! We're settled, then: AMBB it will be! (Sorry, Anne, I couldn't resist;-) But seriously, folks. Consider the following: martian meteorites - Martian meteorites are martian rocks that were ejected from Mars by impacts and later fell to the Earth as meteorites. The well-known types are S saharaites (basaltic clasts in a porphyritic groundmass) shergottites (basaltic to lherzolitic igneous rocks), N nakhlites (clinopyroxenites) C chassignites (dunitic cumulate rocks) A ALH 84001(orthopyroxenites) Does anyone else see a problem with this? Bob V. -- From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: a...@unm.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:33 AM Please, No, no more acronyms! The world is being invaded by those meaningless, un-translatable monstrosities. Lets make it simple. We have had for a long time such a thing as: Achondrite Eucrite Polymict Breccia. Now we can have: Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. Simple as that. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
With world-wide meteoritic heavy-hitters chiming in on this, (and me a meager newbe) I can't help but suggest that this will be re-visited many times over-and over, very soon in fact. Four distinct Martian types might be only the tip of what may emerge in our near future (certainly!) What will this group be named when samples of many more Martian petrologic types eventually be returned? - Original Message - From: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Anne Black impact...@aol.com Cc: a...@unm.edu Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 --- On Fri, 1/25/13, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Lets make it simple. Now we can have: Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. Simple as that. Okay! We're settled, then: AMBB it will be! (Sorry, Anne, I couldn't resist;-) But seriously, folks. Consider the following: martian meteorites - Martian meteorites are martian rocks that were ejected from Mars by impacts and later fell to the Earth as meteorites. The well-known types are S saharaites (basaltic clasts in a porphyritic groundmass) shergottites (basaltic to lherzolitic igneous rocks), N nakhlites (clinopyroxenites) C chassignites (dunitic cumulate rocks) A ALH 84001(orthopyroxenites) Does anyone else see a problem with this? Bob V. -- From: Anne Black impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: a...@unm.edu, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, January 25, 2013, 11:33 AM Please, No, no more acronyms! The world is being invaded by those meaningless, un-translatable monstrosities. Lets make it simple. We have had for a long time such a thing as: Achondrite Eucrite Polymict Breccia. Now we can have: Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. Simple as that. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] : Tour of Space Station
List, This is both educational and a fascinating experience. A must see. Enjoy. Carl Meteoritemax Hi - absolutely fascinating! Thank you my friend a fascinating trip through Space.I am sharing with friends and family. Click on or copy and paste link below; http://www.youtube.com/embed/doN4t5NKW-k No virus found in this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donations to Museums
Peter, John and Listers I am happy that I was able to donate a great meteorite to the National Museums Collection Centre and excited to see how it turns out how the High Possil meteorite fragment will be displayed. :) Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 ebay store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html http://meteoritefalls.com/ From: Pict p...@pict.co.uk To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:46 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Donations to Museums Thankyou very much Shawn. Hope there are plans for display in Chambers St. Did anything ever come of the following story I am wondering. Was it part of the 1830 fall or did it turn out to be a new find or an m.w.? http://news.stv.tv/tayside/193361-meteorite-rocks-believed-to-be-worth-1m-f ound-in-potato-field/ Regards, John On 25/01/2013 13:51, Peter Davidson p.david...@nms.ac.uk wrote: Dear List Members I would like to bring to the attention of the list, news of a wonderful piece of generosity. Mr Shawn A Rinoehl (who signs off as Shawn Alan) of Brooklyn, NYC has very kindly donated a fragment of the High Possil meteorite which fell near Glasgow, Scotland in April 1804. This piece of L6 Chondrite may not have the status of a Martian or Carbonaceous Chondrite, but to me it is of vital importance. This now means that we have in our collection, fragments of three of the four known Scottish meteorites. The only one missing now is the Perth fall (LL5 Ordinary Chondrite, May 1830). I have of course thanked Shawn off list and asked his permission to make my gratitude and his generosity much more public through the MetList. Thank you Shawn Have a great weekend everyone Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA 00 44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk Vikings! Discover their untold story in a new exhibition of treasures. National Museum of Scotland, 18 January – 12 May. Book now www.nms.ac.uk/vikings National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com/ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Donations to Museums
Having spent 2 weeks every year from the ages of 11 to 16 gathering potatoes (tattie howkin) in Angus fields, I am very impressed that someone actually found one in this environment. Lots of small dark basaltic stones covered in damp soil to reject. Given the timing of the article in October, I am wondering if Mr Elliot was following the digger around with a metal detector. Regards, John On 26/01/2013 01:45, Martin Goff msgmeteori...@gmail.com wrote: Hi John/list, I believe the recent find near Perth by Rob Elliott that you mention is not linked to the 1830 Perth meteorite. It is apparently a new find and I understand it is currently being classified at Glasgow University :-) Cheers Martin On 25/01/2013, Pict p...@pict.co.uk wrote: Thankyou very much Shawn. Hope there are plans for display in Chambers St. Did anything ever come of the following story I am wondering. Was it part of the 1830 fall or did it turn out to be a new find or an m.w.? http://news.stv.tv/tayside/193361-meteorite-rocks-believed-to-be-worth-1m -f ound-in-potato-field/ Regards, John snip __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034
Hi Anne, I have to agree with you a bit about acronyms, and I do think that Martian, Basalt Breccia is a fine simple descriptive type for NWA 7034 -- hey, that's what I classified it as! But, I think it is worth clarifying that eucrites are HEDs (howardite, eucrite, diogenite) and of course some of the eucrites are breccias. The difference for NWA 7034 is that is not a shergottite breccia, a nakhlite breccia, or chassignite breccia -- not an SNC type martian meteorite. It is an alkali-rich basalt, thus a new type of martian -- which also happens to be a breccia. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 12:33 PM, Anne Black impact...@aol.com wrote: Please, No, no more acronyms! The world is being invaded by those meaningless, un-translatable monstrosities. Lets make it simple. We have had for a long time such a thing as: Achondrite Eucrite Polymict Breccia. Now we can have: Achondrite Martian Basaltic Breccia. Simple as that. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, Jan 25, 2013 9:33 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 Jeff, Now that you are at NASA you can appreciate the perverse things people do with words just to come up with a cool acronym. Making the new Martian meteorite acronym even half way cool requires some drastic measures, like giving NWA 7034 Basaltic Breccia Black Beauty a new name based on locality: I propose saharaite. So we now have the meteorites from Mars or SCANS S: shergottite C: chassignite A: ALH 84001 N: nakhlite S: saharaite Enjoy! Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ --- Message: 19 Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 10:43:04 -0500 From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 7034 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 5102a808.5040...@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Don't forget ALH 84001, the pyroxenite. SNCPB? If we use the N from NWA instead of B, and the A from ALH, how about CANNS? Or maybe we should just do the sensible thing and call them Martian meteorites? Jeff On 1/24/2013 4:42 PM, h...@meteorhall.com wrote: Hi Paul, I like the SNCB. It sounds like a radio station's call letters...Stay tuned for all of your Martian meteorite news from SNCB. Regards, Fred H. How shall we organize the new class of Martian? Until now it has been SNC How about B or B squared for BASALTIC BRECCIA ? SNCB What say you all? -Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Mystery Met Contributed by: Anonymous http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
